How Mockingbird divides the truth movement by equating religion to UFOlogy

[freedomdomain]

   I wanted to propose this question for those who believe in God and Jesus, V. Those who believe in Extraterrestrials or Reptilians, etc.

   Who is the craziest section of people?

   What proof do we have for God? What proof do we have for ETs?

   Do you believe the Bible? Do you believe in Channelings or communications that have been recieved from abductees?

   Those who put their faith in Jesus, who have absolutely ZERO proof of his existence, to me, sound about as wacky as someone who proposes the beliefs in Extraterrestrials must sound to someone who never considers the possibility of such things.

   Some people go their whole lives believing in Jesus and "God" etc., never considering the possibility of the influence of extraterrestrials and alien in planetary affaisr and to be honest, I'm quite sick of the hypocrisy from the so called Christians that appear on some of the radio shows, and i'm not juts referring to Alex show, it's everywhere. People who profess to be open-minded enough to believe in something they cannot prove the existence of, and at the same time, deny or fail ot entertain the possibility of alien control factors.

   I think it's astounding, truthfully, that so-called Christians believe that some imaginary being they have never seen, or heard from, or talked to personally, or encountered anywhere, could be the "Father" or "God" of all living beings, or the "Son of God". And furthermore, that this "heavenly being" who is supposed to care for his children, would allow famine, wars, ecological destruction, homelessness, and other societal plagues to insue, without his direct intervention......and that this same God who is spoken about in the bible as being wrathful and destructive, and unforgiving, and insensitive, and maniacal in his controlling ways, would ever be a "God" that anyonew would want to worship or honor.

   Furthermore, I find it absolutely unbelievable that people who study conspiracies and mind control, fall for the greatest mind control scheme ever invented, called "Religion", where upon it is expected of them to place their trust, and self in the hands of some "higher" authority, outside of themselves, and that someone that "higher" authority which exists outside of themselves, could vest in them something, or anything of relevance that they could not accesss themselves otherwise. I think it's quite scary that people who consider themselves conscious, and thoughtful, will fall for manipulations that cause them to give power away from themselves, and that cause them to deny the God or Goddess within themselves, to the point of stuffing their own siprit in the wastebasket.

  The very idea that a God outside of YOU, exists and is watching over you, is the fundamental concept of a "higher AUTHORITY", higher than yourself, who is judging you and in the subconscious, this is essential to keep you in line and control your way of thinking.

   If you cease to belive in this idea, and you understand that death is a phase, just like life, then the idea that you must celebrate life anymore than death, becomes paramount in the personal journey through life. All of this requires FEAR in order to manipulate you. The FEAR of GOD, the FEAR of DEATH, the fera of the higher authority juding you and casting you into hell.....a place that has never been proven to exist, but you believe in to the extent that it RULES your life and decisions and actions.

   I would like to say that you don't have to believe in God. or Jesus, to be the kind of person who does no harm to others, or who tries to be a benefit to society and others. There are people who live their lives doing the best they can, and they don;t do it because of the fear of God or punishment, but instead, because they realize that hurting others is a decision, that leads to reconciliation eventually, and the realization that trating others harmfully is not in anyones interest or benefit, and is not condusive to freedom or the concept of being free.  Imposing your will on others and not allowing others to have a will to refuse, will ultimately hurt the person causing the action, because in order for you to be free yourself, you have to allow others to be free. It's a pretty simple lesson, for any true spiritualist, regardless of religion.

   It makes much more sense to me, that Reptilian beings are here, and can bend light, and the way we percieve them, to blend in to our society, and cause humanity suffeing and harm, whioch they, as a species feed off of for sustenance. It makes much more sense that this is what is going on, when you lookk at the world today, and ask yourself...

Would GOD or Jesus want this for this world?
Or
Would a carnivorous reptile like alien species who feeds off us like we feed off cattle, be causing all the worlds woes and ills?

Who is crazier, the religionists or the reptilianists?

[Amishism]

Pagans who believe they come from lower life forms, idiot.

Pagan Evolution ©
Pagans of the Isis bloodline didn't have a "theory" of evolution. They accepted it as a self-evident fact that humans had risen from lower primates.

Evolution was a fundamental precept of Pagan religion. The underlying purpose of the Pagan religion of the Isis bloodline and genealogy was to elevate humankind to a higher order of life. Paganism began from a period of enlightenment. There was a "Golden Age." Over the course of time, they lost sight of their origins and their original purpose. Dark ages returned. Nevertheless, they began from a period of enlightenment, and they partly succeeded at enlightening humankind.


Brainwashing is not, as some anti-Christian educators and students contend, the Biblical process of training our children to love and follow God. The word "brainwashing" refers to a planned, step-by-step attempt to "wash" family-taught beliefs from the minds of those who oppose government ideology. In America, it would mean replacing the old Biblical values and world view with a new way of thinking that would support a totalitarian agenda. In other words, every child must become a peace child, a willing and active servant of a new world order.

[freedomdomain]

All religions are reptilian constructions. Paganism is just as much. Satanism, Mormonism, Jehovas Witness, Catholism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, Christian Science, and Identity, and Rastafarianism, and on and on and on. 

All religions are constructed for one purpose: To keep the spirit enslaved in the body. To keep you, and your greater spirit emmeshed in a barrage of control zones of the mind and body. To keep you thinking that the BODY is YOU, and that the highest authority lies outside of yourself, instead of inside yourself. The ultimate purpose is to keep you from realizing GOD...the GOD that is YOU.

The Reptilians Were the original gods, who remade mankind long ago, to keep him under their control. Religion was invented shortly after, and humankind worshipped the Reptilians until they left and left their hybrid Kings behind. They are in the process of remaking manking again, and that is what Endgame is really all about. The process is necessary because of people waking up, and waking up to their role and purpose in the whole of things. This caught them by surprise because the spirit is stronger than is considered by their species.

The only God there is, are the gods in the mind. If anyone else were to control you, or tell you how to live, or judge you, then you could not experience what you need to in order to learn. Learning and growth are the only things that matter in the eyes of any God. That proves very simply, there is no God higher than yourself.

[the general]

how bout if someone believes in both?  would that make them the craziest of the crazy?  woo-hoo!

Crazy
Crazy for feeling so lonely
Im crazy
Crazy for feeling so blue

[mookie]

Didn't God send a UFO to rapture Elijah?

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

2 Kings 2:11 KJV

[chilicharger665]

Haha, if you believe that Jesus didn't exist, look up the book by Josh McDowell. He was an atheist in college, but became a believer when he researched "secular" history and found out that Jesus was real.

[stymo1]

I will put my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord.
If I'm wrong it won't much matter, will it?
But if I'm right........I know where I will be, how about you?

[freedomdomain]

Haha, if you believe that Jesus didn't exist, look up the book by Josh McDowell. He was an atheist in college, but became a believer when he researched "secular" history and found out that Jesus was real.

   John Marco Allegro was a Bibilical Scholar and a Linguistic Scholar who was so well researched he was hired by the State of Israel and the British Goivernment to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls when they were discovered in the 1950's. He was the only agnostic on the research team, and when he finished the work, he published it in a book titled "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", which PROVED with massive research (still to this day, UNDEBATED AND UNREBUTTED), that Jesus could not have existed as a man, and that it was an impossibility.

   He PROVED this by showing that still to this day, there is NO Aramaic version of the New Testament to go back and double-check the translation to Greek to see if any mistakes were made in the translation.

   If Jesus was supposed to have spoke Aramaic, and the original scrolls were written in Hebrew or Aramaic, where are the original scrolls that made up the New Testament today? -- The Answer is ---- Get ready for this one....THEY DON'T EXIST AND NEVER HAVE!!!!

   So, if you want to quote Jesus like all the other fruitcakes out there, you are quoting a mysterious abyss of information that DOES NOT EXIST!!! --

  Now I ask again, who is crazier, the believers in Jesus and God, or the believers in Reptilians, for which there is documentation and evidence on Earth?


Here is a clip from the new video on Allegro's research. Watch it and see if you still think Jesus was a man. If your interested, try to find the book. All the Christians go around burning them when they find them. It's a very hard book to find, but I have several copies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmtJYLSqFo

Other parts of the FULL video are also up. just look for them, if your inclined to know the truth, and not fall for fools gold.

[freedomdomain]

I will put my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord.
If I'm wrong it won't much matter, will it?
But if I'm right........I know where I will be, how about you?

No, actually, you're putting your faith in King James I, who was a Stuart King originally. King James Stuart of Scotland became King James I of England. This is who compiled the King James version of the Bible where we find the New Testament. King James was a Mason, and a Grand Master of the Knights Templars, and when he compiled the books of the New Testament to FORGE, it was done with the help of Robert Fludd, Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, who oversaw the translation (Forgery).

   There you have it, that's where you place your trust, in Freemasons, not Jesus.

[Sub-X]

This is something that has always bothered me about the King James bible,i always wondered about his background and connections.

[stymo1]

I stand by my previous post.

[freedomdomain]

I stand by my previous post.

Stand on whatever you like. I know a guy who stood on a lillypad, until it sank.

And you can probably guess what happened to the guy who stood on it. He sank too.

[chilicharger665]

Hahahahaha, you're one funny man. Many, many have come before you and made the same claims. Yet it is always B.S. Have a good day...

[freedomdomain]

Hahahahaha, you're one funny man. Many, many have come before you and made the same claims. Yet it is always B.S. Have a good day...

Forget the Prison Planet, you need to escape the prison of your mind first.

[stymo1]

 Now I ask again, who is crazier, the believers in Jesus and God, or the believers in Reptilians, for which there is documentation and evidence on Earth?

Reptillians, huh? The last reptillian I saw, I crushed his head when I stomped on him1

[chilicharger665]

Like I said, you're just one of many, many, many who have made the EXACT same claims. In fact, some of them have been banned. Did you re-register?

[freedomdomain]

Like I said, you're just one of many, many, many who have made the EXACT same claims. In fact, some of them have been banned. Did you re-register?

Banned and re-register for what?

Challenging your silly belief systems and falsities?

If I got banned for that, it would be outright censorship. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, does not give you the right to do anything about it. I will challenge religious garbage until it stops stinking. Too bad I  disturbed your peace of blindness. Get used to it. It's the truth, and the truth will prevail. God and Jesus are non-sense.

[chilicharger665]

Oh, people get banned for stuff here all the time. I don't know the criteria for it, because I am not a mod.

I think you should probably keep your "stinking" garbage to your own thread and I will leave you alone to think how you will. You act as if you are the only one in the world that researches...   So keep on fightin the good fight... NOT! 

[freedomdomain]

Reptillians, huh? The last reptillian I saw, I crushed his head when I stomped on him1

Typical brainwashing propaganda here. Ignore the facts, but interject some silly statement. It's obvious you can't respond to the facts.

[stymo1]

God and Jesus are non-sense.

......... and reptillians aren't? Me thinks you have been watching too many reruns of Capt Kirk fighting the walking lizard!!!!!!!

[freedomdomain]

Oh, people get banned for stuff here all the time. I don't know the criteria for it, because I am not a mod.

I think you should probably keep your "stinking" garbage to your own thread and I will leave you alone to think how you will. You act as if you are the only one in the world that researches...   So keep on fightin the good fight... NOT! 

There is a war on for your mind.....

Guess who's winning? Guess who's losing their minds?

[freedomdomain]

......... and reptillians aren't? Me thinks you have been watching too many reruns of Capt Kirk fighting the walking lizard!!!!!!!

There's way more evidence for Reptilians than there is for God or Jesus, that's a fact.

[chilicharger665]

Ok, its official, he's a troll. Alex himself has gone on rants about how stupid people are about reptilians. Hopefully Sane or someone else will notice...

[freedomdomain]

Ok, its official, he's a troll. Alex himself has gone on rants about how stupid people are about reptilians. Hopefully Sane or someone else will notice...

Calling yourself a troll is likely to get you banned. Quite trolling my thread!

[chilicharger665]

You obviously don't know the definition of a troll, troll. Crawl back into your reptilian hole...

[freedomdomain]

My whole point is that it is JUST as silly to discuss God or Jesus as it is to discuss extraterrestrials, because there is NO MORE evidence to prove Gods or Jesus existence than there is to prove ETs.

Now, if you think you can talk about Jesus and God and not discuss Reptilians, then you are either a censor or a closed-minded person stuck in a religious trap.

What makes you think your so special that your beliefs, warrant attention, but someone elses don't?

I have believed in Reptilians for years, way before David Icke ever talked about it. I know Jordan Maxwell personally, and I studies Bill Cooper's material before Behold A Pale Horse came out.

I have a very close friend who worked at the Shriners Hospital who never believed me about ETs, and one day came to me and told me about his PERSONAL REPTILIAN EXPERIENCE. He actually meet one close up and watched him shape-shift. This person is like a close member of my own family, and has NEVER lied to me about anything and has no reason to. He actually had a real life encounter that blew his mind, and he could not explain it in any way other that to acknowledge that Reptilians are really here, and he told me his whole experience first hand. That was years ago. I know things you don't know about, obviously, and you rely on people who said they talked to God 2000 years ago.

Who's craziest?

Obviously you are!

[freedomdomain]

You obviously don't know the definition of a troll, troll. Crawl back into your reptilian hole...

Alex should probably not let children on this forum. This wouldn't happen if children were banned from the site. Calling people names is a hallmark of childhood. Grow up and learn to refute arguments properly, not like a 5 year old.

[chilicharger665]

Well then you should make your point. Not call everyone an idiot for not believing in reptilian stuff.  Just how are reptiles believable and E.T.'s are not? I've seen plenty of info on both... not convincing.  To Alex either.

[chilicharger665]

Calling a spade a spade is usually pretty smart. Calling a troll a troll is even better.

[freedomdomain]

Well then you should make your point. Not call everyone an idiot for not believing in reptilian stuff.  Just how are reptiles believable and E.T.'s are not? I've seen plenty of info on both... not convincing.  To Alex either.

I respect people's right to believe what they want to. Alex is a grown man and can make up his own beliefs. Just because Alex does not believe something MAKES NO BEARING ON REALITY. Alex is not the endall for truth. I have studied conspiracies for as long as Alex, and I remember when Alex put out his very first video. I have tons of respect for Alex, but I don;t believe he knows everything, and if he does, he is smart to decide what to discuss and what not to. It's not credible to discuss things you know nothing about. Alex makes good decisions about what to discuss. How can he discuss what he knows little about. I have heard him come close to admitting the possibility. He is close friends with JKeff Rense, and Jeff believes in this stuff, to a degree. Alex has even remarked he "almost would entertain the idea" considering how the world rulers "enjoy their crimes and suffering they cause". That's enough for me to know Alex is open-minded and not completely closed off to the possibility.

   If I believed only what Alex believed, I would be a second class researcher, not the first class researcher and truth seeker that I am.

[freedomdomain]

Calling a spade a spade is usually pretty smart. Calling a troll a troll is even better.

What are you? A spade or a troll? Or both?

[chilicharger665]

Its not about what Alex believes. It's about the fact that Alex is against the stupid crap your slinging around and you're on a site that he created. DUH. Since I am not on troll patrol because I am not a mod, I will leave you alone. Keep on dreaming...

[stymo1]

My whole point is that it is JUST as silly to discuss God or Jesus as it is to discuss extraterrestrials, because there is NO MORE evidence to prove Gods or Jesus existence than there is to prove ETs.

Now, if you think you can talk about Jesus and God and not discuss Reptilians, then you are either a censor or a closed-minded person stuck in a religious trap.

What makes you think your so special that your beliefs, warrant attention, but someone elses don't?

I'm Back!!!

You do make a good point there my friend, and that is what is so great about this country......... for the time being at least. We all have the right to believe in whatever we want to, be he Jesus, snakes, or Elvis.

I have always thought there might be other life forms out there, I mean it is just plain arrogant to belive we are the only creatures that God could have created. It is all about faith....believing in something without solid proof. I have seen nothing to prove ET is anywhere other than in my/your imagination, and probly wont believe in one until they land in my backyard. You can say the same .... but I have witnessed first hand some very amazing things in reponse to prayer.

So, sorry to have peed in your post toasties.

[stymo1]

And, if there are other beings out there, Jesus died for them too.

[Div]

For all the hot air blowing around in this thread, I've yet to see any evidence posted about reptilians. The only evidence I have ever seen is when someone takes a video with very poor resolution and says "omg proof". Saying "theres evidence" isnt the same as showing the evidence.

[freedomdomain]

For all the hot air blowing around in this thread, I've yet to see any evidence posted about reptilians. The only evidence I have ever seen is when someone takes a video with very poor resolution and says "omg proof". Saying "theres evidence" isnt the same as showing the evidence.

I believe those videos are all disinfo agents trying to make the reptilian stuff look ridiculous.

I just posted this elsewhere but I wrote it because of this thread. It's 100% Truth.

Here's a true story, believe it or not. This story is about an encounter with a reptilian being. It is 100% true to the best of my knowledge. I am a close friend and constantly in touch with the person who experienced this event. His story has never waivered or changed a bit.

I met this man, who became a friend of mine, while working at record swapmeets while just a teenager, around 18 or 19 years old. This is around 1987 approx. I will refer to this person as Mr. X.
Mr. X lives in Los Angeles and is a fan of psychedelic music, and rock and roll. We used to sit at his house and listen to bootleg recordings of bands like Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, and Led Zeppelin, which we both collected feverishly. This is where our friendship developed. Mr. X would come to the record swapmeets and buy tapes from me, spending hundreds of dollars at a time. We both shared this interest in music and appreciated each other's drive and fascination of live music. Occasionally I would visit his house, where he had a wife and children and a professional job and life. I got to know his wife and kids and spent considerable time around them. We stayed friends till this day.

One day, while working his job as systems administrator for Kaiser Permanente Hospital, he told me about a problem occuring in his life. He had uncovered some mismanagement in the business and financial end of things and feared retaliation for exposing this to the higher ups. Sure enough he got fired from his job for this.

He was shopping for jobs and sending in his resume and he informed me he was applying for the position to head the Shriner's Hospital in Los Angeles.

Now I must back up for a moment. For years now I had been telling Mr. X all about the things I was researching like the New World Order, Secret Societies and UFO and their influence. Every time I would bring these matters up, there was a complete lack of interest on his part. For someone very spiritual, and philosophical minded, I found this to be strange, and so occasioanlly I would ask him, why don;t you have any interest in any of this material? His response would go something like "Josh, you are such an intelligent person, and you know how to think, and act, and you know a lot about life, why is it you waste your time with these kinds of matters? It is such a waste of time and of your mind", he would say. I would tell him about how all these things are influencing the world and our lives and he would just shrug it off.

I have lots of respect for my friends so I would not push it as I felt it making him uncomfortable as a topic of discussion. I would just drop it from there. But then one day, something happened that would change both our lives forever.

My friend, Mr. X told me he was applying for a job at the Shriner's Hospital. I told him he ought to put on his resume (the truth) that his Father and Grandfather were both high ranking Masons, (which they were), but told my friend nothing about their experiences, and this one fact made my friend a little suspicious and curious. After all, this was his family. His family helped start Hollywood. His family is BIG.

He wrote this on his application, and out of all applicants, he got the job. He was now on hi sway to running ther Shriner's Hospital of Los Angeles AT THE TOP. Systems Administrator for all computer systems in the place. He told me they would need to bring him up to speed and give him a "fast track" program to make him a 33 degree Mason so he would understand things about the Hospital and his work. Upon hearing this, I told him, "and you will tell me everything, right?" and of course he agreed and said "well, if there is anything going on, I will be sure to find out about it". After all, my friend is VERY Intelligent and wise.

Well, about 6 months went by, and then another few months. While this was happening, he told me "some strange stuff is going on, but I don;t know what it is yet", bu tthere is obviously some real powwrful people in the Masonic Lodges".

Then, one day while sitting and listening to music at his home, he says the following to me "I need to tell you something Josh".....I have to tell you about what has been going on because it's so strange that you're the only one who will even believe me".....I asked what he had to say. ....."I don't know how you did it, or how you get your information, but you are more informed that 99% of the Masons thta attend the Masonic Lodge meetings. You have more information about what is REALLY going on in the Masonic Lodges than guys who have been there for 30 years. I know people who are all thr way at the top that don't have a grasp on what is really going on like you do. It's like you have an "eye" into the Masonic Lodge that allows you to see what is going on inside, and I don;t know how you did this", ..."but anyway I have to tell you what I experienced".......you know how you are always talking about the Secret Societies controlling the governments and corporations?" and I answered "yes", and he continued "everything you said to me about what is going on, is EXACTLY what is going on in the world", ...."how you are always talkking about the Illuminati, Population Control, mind control, propaganda, fixing wars, and causing death
, etc. "....and I agreed with him.......and then he said "and you know how you are always talking about the Extraterrestrials controlling Secret Societies from behind the scenes......?"

This is when my stomach sank into my gut, and I said "oh no"........he said "oh yes"....I have to tell you about something that noone else would possibly believe....he proceeded....I was stunned....
He told me about how he was attending a veyr important meeting at a Masonic Lodge where he was to be introdiced to someone very important and powerful. Upon meeting this individual, he noticed the regard everyone paid to this individual...everyone seemed to have a certain type of respect for him, and regard for his power, to the point that it drew my friends attention to him. Upon shaking the person's hand, my friend was taken back my the extreme amount of strength thsi person had in his handshape grip. He says "I have shaken many people's hands in business in life for many years, and I have never experienced this type of energy, or strength. I paid particular attention to this individual throughout the evening. A little while later I noticed him taking to a lady and I started to notice some strange things occuring".....he went on to say...."the mans height had grown about 2 feet.......he had green scales all over him, he had grown a tail, that was extending behind him, his eyes had turned orange slit like, and amane had grown down the back of his head and down his neck." ...I was shaking at this point because I know this person well, and this is NOT his behavior or in his character to tell me something like this, if he had not actually experienced it for real. He also told me this ..."I tried and tried to think about what it was I was seeing, and I coul dnot come up with an explanation for myself, until all of the sidden I remembered what you had said about shape-shifting reptilians controlling secret societies, and I realized that what I was seeing was some kjind of cloaking device, because obviously the lady talking to this person, could not see what I was seeing. She continued takking to him like he was a regular person, and I was witnessing a reptile human creature talking to her, it had to be a kind of cloaking mechanism of some sort"...........Shortly after this he lost his job there for uncovering fraud at the highest levels within the Shriners. He didn;t know he wasn;t supposed to uncover it. That was the job he was given, and then he waas fired for doing his job. But, he now knows what is really going on in the world.


I have questioned him repeatedly about this incident. Especially since I have been researching this for years now, and it is the closest I have come to prooving this for myself. I swear this to be true and this to be a true account of something that really happened, not some made up incident to garner attention. This is real. This is known to have happened, so you can compare it to other stories, but it stands on it's own as my personal research.

[Amishism]

The original scripture manuscripts have simply perished having been written on parchment that would not survive. The manuscripts were copied to better writing material giving us what we have today. Since the times of the KJV english translation the Dead Sea scrolls have been found, when compared the KJV and the DSS have the exact meanings further confirming the manuscrips used to compile the Reformer Geneva and KJV Bibles.

New Testament Manuscript Copies:

Because the Bible is a book, it was initially made up of manuscripts. Consequently a primary means for ascertaining its credibility today are the number of copies from those manuscripts which are currently in one's possession. The more copies we have the better we can compare between them and thus know if the document we now read corresponds with the original. It is much like a witness to an event. If we have only one witness to the event, there is the possibility that the witness's agenda or even an exaggeration of the event has crept in and we would never know the full truth. But if we have many witnesses, the probability that they all got it wrong becomes minute.

Because of time and wear many of the historical documents from the ancient world have few manuscripts to which we can refer. This is specially true when we consider the secular historians and philosophers. For instance, we only have eight copies of Herodotus's historical works, whose originals were written in 480-425 BC. Likewise, only 5 copies of Aristotle's writings have found their way to the 20th century, while only 10 copies of the writings of Caesar, along with another 20 copies of the historian Tacitus, and 7 copies from the historian Pliny, who all originally wrote in the first century, are available today (McDowell 1972:42). These are indeed very few.

When we consider the New Testament, however, we find a completely different scenario. We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions (MSS), giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today! (taken from McDowell's Evidence That demands a Verdict, vol.1, 1972 pgs.40-48; and Time, January 23, 1995, pg.57). Though we do not have any originals, with such a wealth of documentation at our disposal with which to compare, we can delineate quite closely what those originals contained.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm

There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. The oldest manuscripts were written on papyrus and the later manuscripts were written on leather called parchment.

125 A.D. The New Testament manuscript which dates most closely to the original autograph was copied around 125 A.D, within 35 years of the original. It is designated "p 52" and contains a small portion of John 18. (The "p" stands for papyrus.)

200 A.D. Bodmer p 66 a papyrus manuscript which contains a large part of the Gospel of John.

200 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46 contains the Pauline Epistles and Hebrews.

225 A.D. Bodmer Papyrus p 75 contains the Gospels of Luke and John.

250-300 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45 contains portions of the four Gospels and Acts.

350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus contains the entire New Testament and almost the entire Old Testament in Greek.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html

[Amishism]

The Geneva Bible 1599
The Geneva Bible is a critical, yet almost completely forgotten part of the Protestant Reformation. Driven out of England by the persecutions of Bloody Mary, several future leaders of the Reformation came to Geneva to create a pure and accurate translation of the Holy Writ. Concerned about the influence that the Catholic Church had on the existing translations of the Bible from the Latin, these men turned to the original Hebrew and Greek texts to produce the Geneva Bible. This made the Geneva Bible the first complete Bible to be translated into English from the original Hebrew and Greek texts.
 
          The creation of the Geneva Bible was a substantial undertaking. Its authors spent over two years, working diligently day and night by candlelight, to finish the translation and the commentaries. The entire project was funded by the exiled English congregation in Geneva, making the translation a work supported by the people and not by an authoritarian church or monarch.
http://www.reformedreader.org/gbn/en.htm
http://www.logosresourcepages.org/idx_geneva.htm

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The Forbidden Book 60min
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3402325689850240729
History of the Protestant Reformer Geneva/KJV Bibles and persecution.

Glastonbury: The First Christian Church
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I have a story too, and it's also 100% true.

One time in highschool I had to stay late for detention. After the bell rang I headed over to my friends lockers to talk to them a bit, but after a few minutes they left to get on the bus and I decided I better get over to the detention. Well I went, and there I sat for the next two hours pretending to read my history book, until the time was up. The school was pretty much empty now because everyone had gone home except the faculty, even the athletic kids werent there because of a possible snow storm they had cancled the sport meets. The other kids in the detention all left immediatley to get on the late bus but I remembered I left my jacket in my locker. So I went to my locker to get my jacket out, but I couldn't remember my combination sense I rarely used it. I thought that I had written it down somewhere so I unzipped mybackpack and searched through my notebooks for the locker combination. Unfortunatley I couldn't find it and I knew the bus would be leaving in a few minutes. I really didn't want to leave without my jacket because it was 40 degrees outside and I would've caught a cold walking home from the bus stop without it. So I headed over to the guidence counseling office to ask if they could look up my locker combo real quick. As I got there I walked up to the door and was about to enter when I looked through the door window. There I saw mrs. brown, my biology teacher, standing in the doorway of one of the smaller office rooms. But right as I was about to open the door I noticed something strange. The back of her neck was no longer covered with skin, but instead yellowish-green scales, I noticed she had also a think whip like tail hanging down from under her dress. My heart jumped into my mouth and I could feel the adrenaline rushing through my veins. I decided to hell with my jacket and ran towards the main doors to get on the bus, but as I left I saw her heard turn quickly. Her eyes had also changed, they were red with black slits for the pupils. I ran as fast as I could until I got to the main doors. But they were locked! I heard footsteps coming down the hall around the corner so I thought fast and ran to the gym, there was another exit behind the locker rooms. When I got there I headed as quickly as I could to the back doors but I heard the hallways doors open behind me so I darted into the locker room. As the footsteps grew closer I began to panick. How could they know exactly where I was going? I was sure they hadn't seen me. Of course, I remembered that lizards tounges are used to smell and its many times more powerful than a humans. I quickly jumped into the laundry bin in hopes of disguising my scent. As I lay there I heard the door open, and the sound of high heeled shoes clacking against the tile foor as they walked through the locker room. After what seemed like a lifetime the footsteps went back to the door and left. I stayed in that laundry bin for another 3 hours before finally mustering up the courage to climb out. I quietly opened the locker room door. All the lights were out now, and everyone had gone home. I ran to the gym exit and left as quickly as I could. It was dark out now and had started to snow. I ran for 15 minutes until I was far away from the school and got to a main road. I hitchhiked to get home, for the first time in my life, but the snow was really picking up and I needed to get into a warm car. When I got home I explained to my mom that I had been asking one of my teachers for help and lost track of time and that she gave me a ride home. The next day in biology class everything went on as usual, but I knew their secrets. I never told anyone about what happened after school that day.

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The original scripture manuscripts have simply perished having been written on parchment that would not survive. The manuscripts were copied to better writing material giving us what we have today. Since the times of the KJV english translation the Dead Sea scrolls have been found, when compared the KJV and the DSS have the exact meanings further confirming the manuscrips used to compile the Reformer Geneva and KJV Bibles.

New Testament Manuscript Copies:

Because the Bible is a book, it was initially made up of manuscripts. Consequently a primary means for ascertaining its credibility today are the number of copies from those manuscripts which are currently in one's possession. The more copies we have the better we can compare between them and thus know if the document we now read corresponds with the original. It is much like a witness to an event. If we have only one witness to the event, there is the possibility that the witness's agenda or even an exaggeration of the event has crept in and we would never know the full truth. But if we have many witnesses, the probability that they all got it wrong becomes minute.

Because of time and wear many of the historical documents from the ancient world have few manuscripts to which we can refer. This is specially true when we consider the secular historians and philosophers. For instance, we only have eight copies of Herodotus's historical works, whose originals were written in 480-425 BC. Likewise, only 5 copies of Aristotle's writings have found their way to the 20th century, while only 10 copies of the writings of Caesar, along with another 20 copies of the historian Tacitus, and 7 copies from the historian Pliny, who all originally wrote in the first century, are available today (McDowell 1972:42). These are indeed very few.

When we consider the New Testament, however, we find a completely different scenario. We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions (MSS), giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today! (taken from McDowell's Evidence That demands a Verdict, vol.1, 1972 pgs.40-48; and Time, January 23, 1995, pg.57). Though we do not have any originals, with such a wealth of documentation at our disposal with which to compare, we can delineate quite closely what those originals contained.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm

There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. The oldest manuscripts were written on papyrus and the later manuscripts were written on leather called parchment.

125 A.D. The New Testament manuscript which dates most closely to the original autograph was copied around 125 A.D, within 35 years of the original. It is designated "p 52" and contains a small portion of John 18. (The "p" stands for papyrus.)

200 A.D. Bodmer p 66 a papyrus manuscript which contains a large part of the Gospel of John.

200 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46 contains the Pauline Epistles and Hebrews.

225 A.D. Bodmer Papyrus p 75 contains the Gospels of Luke and John.

250-300 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45 contains portions of the four Gospels and Acts.

350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus contains the entire New Testament and almost the entire Old Testament in Greek.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html

Everything you mentioned was Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic. Funny, huh? What happened to the ORIGINALS, other than the Dead Sea Scrolls?  Allegro is the TOPS when it comes to language and interpretation of the Bible if you have not read his work, you cannot talk about it much, can you?  -- His Specialty was Religion and the stories of the bible. -- In Linguistics, he was versed in Cuneiform, Sumerian, Babylonian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Egyptian, Greek, Latin, Assyrian, and several others.

Do you think he was wrong? How do you know? How come he has gone completely unchallenged? Once someone reads his materials, there is no going back. Nobody has been able to refute him yet.