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« on: September 24, 2009, 08:19:24 AM »

Obama will bypass Congress to detain suspects indefinitely
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/obama-will-bypass-congress-to-detain-suspects-indefinitely/
By John Byrne

President Barack Obama has quietly decided to bypass Congress and allow the indefinite detention of terrorist suspects without charges.

The move, which was controversial when the idea was first floated in The Washington Post in May, has sparked serious concern among civil liberties advocates. Such a decision allows the president to unilaterally hold "combatants" without habeas corpus -- a legal term literally meaning "you shall have the body" -- which forces prosecutors to charge a suspect with a crime to justify the suspect's detention.

Obama's decision was buried on page A 23 of The New York Times' New York edition on Thursday. It didn't appear on that page in the national edition. (Meanwhile, the front page was graced with the story, "Richest Russian's Newest Toy: An N.B.A. Team.")

Rather than seek approval from Congress to hold some 50 Guantanamo detainees indefinitely, the administration has decided that it has the authority to hold the prisoners under broad-ranging legislation passed in the wake of Sept. 11, 2001. Former President George W. Bush frequently invoked this legislation as the justification for controversial legal actions -- including the NSA's warrantless wiretapping program.

"The administration will continue to hold the detainees without bringing them to trial based on the power it says it has under the Congressional resolution passed after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, authorizing the president to use force against forces of Al Qaeda and the Taliban," the Times' Peter Baker writes. "In concluding that it does not need specific permission from Congress to hold detainees without charges, the Obama administration is adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies."

Constitutional scholar and Salon.com columnist Glenn Greenwald discussed the policy in a column in May. He warned that the ability for a president to "preventively" detain suspects could mushroom into broader, potentially abusive activity.

"It does not merely allow the U.S. Government to imprison people alleged to have committed Terrorist acts yet who are unable to be convicted in a civilian court proceeding," Greenwald wrote. "That class is merely a subset, perhaps a small subset, of who the Government can detain. Far more significant, 'preventive detention' allows indefinite imprisonment not based on proven crimes or past violations of law, but of those deemed generally 'dangerous' by the Government for various reasons (such as, as Obama put it yesterday, they 'expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden' or 'otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans'). That's what 'preventive' means: imprisoning people because the Government claims they are likely to engage in violent acts in the future because they are alleged to be 'combatants.'"

"Once known, the details of the proposal could -- and likely will -- make this even more extreme by extending the 'preventive detention' power beyond a handful of Guantanamo detainees to anyone, anywhere in the world, alleged to be a 'combatant,'" Greenwald continues. "After all, once you accept the rationale on which this proposal is based -- namely, that the U.S. Government must, in order to keep us safe, preventively detain "dangerous" people even when they can't prove they violated any laws -- there's no coherent reason whatsoever to limit that power to people already at Guantanamo, as opposed to indefinitely imprisoning with no trials all allegedly 'dangerous' combatants, whether located in Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Western countries and even the U.S."

The Obama Administration appears to have embraced "preventive detention" in part because of problems with how Guantanamo prisoners' cases -- and incarceration -- were handled under President Bush. Military prosecutors have said that numerous cases could not be brought successfully in civilian courts because evidence was obtained in ways that wouldn't be admissible on US soil. The Bush Administration originally sought to try numerous detainees in military tribunals, but the Supreme Court ruled that at least some have the rights to challenge their detention in US courts.

Baker notes that Obama's decision to hold suspects without charges doesn't propose as broad an executive authority claimed by President Bush.

"Obama’s advisers are not embracing the more disputed Bush contention that the president has inherent power under the Constitution to detain terrorism suspects indefinitely regardless of Congress," Baker writes.

In a statement to Baker, the Justice Department said, “The administration would rely on authority already provided by Congress [and] is not currently seeking additional authorization.”

“The position conveyed by the Justice Department in the meeting last week broke no new ground and was entirely consistent with information previously provided by the Justice Department to the Senate Armed Services Committee,” the statement added.

Roughly 50 detainees of the more than 200 still held at the US prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba are thought to be affected by the decision.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 06:33:10 PM »

Obama, with the help of the corporate-fascist media, is stripping away our freedoms as he smiles and nods and promises hope and change... and the impotent congress does nothing, and the judiciary does nothing... and it's just horrifying to watch as 'we the people' do nothing.  I think Ben was right...

Excerpt from article posted here by bigron: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=107260.msg652169#msg652169

Less Freedom

Benjamin Franklin said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

However, we have already seen, following 9-11, that Americans passively accepted the draconian provisions of the PATRIOT Act, wholesale eavesdropping of domestic communications, preventive detention without trials, and the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques." Just how far are we prepared to go as racial and economic rage boils to the surface and crime rates explode?

The United States already has the highest incarceration rate, greater than any other nation. Today, almost 25 percent of all prisoners in the world are confined in our jails and prisons. Thirteen and a half million adults pass through more than 5,000 jails and prisons in the U.S. each year, 60 percent of whom are racial or ethnic minorities. The mentally ill in America are four times more likely to be found in prison than in a mental health hospital.

The U.S. is on a prison building spree constructing "security housing units" which are, in many aspects, a return to medieval dungeons in that prisoners are confined in small concrete boxes with steel-plate doors. Prisoners live in silence, except when they scream, and they are "extracted" from their cells by teams of guards in combat gear armed with stun guns.

Children as young as 10 years old are now considered to be competent to stand trial in juvenile court in many states, and most treat children as young as 14 as adults. As many as 150,000 children are now locked up in adult jails and prisons, and more than 2,300 of them are serving "life" terms, including 73 who were 14 or younger when they were arrested.

State prison costs now exceed every other public spending category, except for health care. In 2008, the states spent an estimated $47 billion on prisons–approximately $29,000 per prisoner. The Federal Bureau of Prisons has 36,000 employees deployed at 115 institutions to confine 204,000 inmates at an annual cost of $5.6 billion.

State and federal prison authorities are increasingly warehousing their prisoners in commercial facilities operated by private corporations. The Corrections Corporation of America operates 64 facilities netting an income of almost $38 million per year. One lawsuit against the corporation alleges that it operates overcrowded facilities requiring inmates to sleep on the floor. The ACLU believes private companies are "notorious for cutting essential costs that need to be provided to maintain a safe and constitutional environment for prisoners."

Although some states are revising their mandatory sentencing laws and allowing early release of nonviolent offenders to reduce their prison populations and costs, we as a society have to fear a legislative conclusion in the future that all prisoners should be forced to work to pay for their own incarceration. We must never forget the words, Arbeit macht frei, or "work brings freedom," displayed above the entrance to Nazi concentration camps or our own Depression era chain gangs that resorted to whippings, tying prisoners to posts or locking them in "sweat boxes" to compel hard labor.

Or, might some fiscally concerned legislature decide that the cost of incarceration for murderers and repeat offenders is too high and that life sentences should be eliminated in favor of death sentences for everyone who poses a substantial risk to society? The United States is the only democracy that carries out executions, more than a thousand since 1976, including 22 juvenile offenders. We also voted against a United Nations General Assembly resolution in December 2007 that called for a global moratorium on the death penalty. Are we going to follow the lead of China where more than 1,718 prisoners were executed last year, some for economic crimes?

In 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered that a poor person accused of a crime has the right to competent and effective legal representation. With increasing case loads and decreasing budgetary resources, state and local public defenders have become so overburdened that some are refusing to accept more cases. In 2000, the Justice Department found that public defender "contracts are often awarded to the lowest bidder without regard to the scope or quality of services, organizational structures are weak, workloads are high, and funding has not kept pace with other components of the criminal justice system. The effects can be severe, including legal representation of such low quality to amount to no representation at all, delays, overturned convictions, and convictions of the innocent." This report was issued during flush economic times. What will become acceptable as the public coffers are emptied?

Can we expect President Obama to be more respectful of individual rights than President Bush was? An answer can be found in his recent request for the Supreme Court to reverse its own 23-year-old decision prohibiting police from questioning a represented defendant until his lawyer is present.

President Obama has already sought to restrict the right of prisoners to test the genetic evidence used to convict them, invoked the "state secrets" privilege to block essential discovery in civil lawsuits, and has decided to continue the imprisonment of "enemy combatants" in Afghanistan without trial.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 07:59:48 PM »

Yeah...this isn't the country I woke up to this morning. Our illiustrious military and fascist pigs using high tech weapons on their own people. Secret meetings to establish a new world order/ govt, and our illustrious, fearless leader saying he will imprison anybody he damn well pelases, and nobody can stop him... I wanna go listen to Lois Armstrong sing "It's a Wonderful World", and shed a tear for a far more innocent time.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 08:35:19 PM »

Yeah...this isn't the country I woke up to this morning. Our illiustrious military and fascist pigs using high tech weapons on their own people. Secret meetings to establish a new world order/ govt, and our illustrious, fearless leader saying he will imprison anybody he damn well pelases, and nobody can stop him... I wanna go listen to Lois Armstrong sing "It's a Wonderful World", and shed a tear for a far more innocent time.

Yes.. also thinking today about Paul Simon's song, America.
'And we've all come to look for America ...'

It's MIA.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 05:49:51 AM »

Obama asserts power to detain suspects without trial


By Tom Eley

http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m58274&hd=&size=1&l=e

25 September 2009 - WSWS

The Obama administration announced this week that it intends to continue the Bush administration policy of holding terrorism suspects indefinitely without charge or trial.

On Wednesday, the Justice Department said that President Obama may continue to hold "terror suspects" indefinitely and without judicial review based on the congressional Authorization to Use Military Force that came in the wake of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington—the same rationale used by Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.

The move aims to institutionalize the previous administration’s assault on habeas corpus—the bedrock principle of democratic rights and the civil liberties laid down in the US Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

The announcement is a shift from a position Obama outlined in a May 22 speech at the National Archives. There he said he would go to Congress to obtain legislation to carry on the policy of indefinite detention, which he claimed was the only way of dispersing a section of the Guantánamo prison population too "dangerous" to try in civil courts.

In reality, the administration does not want to try these prisoners in normal civilian courts because such trials would expose the use of torture against the defendants, the evidence based on torture would be inadmissible, and civil trials might reveal embarrassing facts about the activities of US intelligence agencies.

"I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for Guantánamo detainees," Obama said three months ago. "[G]oing forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime."

Obama’s new "legal regime," sources said, would likely have included a special "National Security Court," in which hearsay evidence and testimony extracted through torture would be admissible.

In Wednesday’s statement, the Justice Department declared the administration "is not currently seeking additional authorization," but would "rely on authority already provided by Congress" under the Authorization to Use Military Force. That resolution was, in fact, proposed and passed as a measure only to provide congressional backing for the invasion of Afghanistan.

Obama has decided to rely on this subterfuge and go around Congress in order to avoid hearings and the public controversy that would be aroused by such legislation. By simply asserting executive power, the administration is carrying out a fundamental attack on democratic rights without any public debate.

According to one account, the administration’s decision to carry on indefinite detention would apply only to current Guantánamo detainees. However, there is nothing in the underlying legal rationale—that the Authorization of Force allows the president to arrest without charge or trial those he declares to be members or supporters of Al Qaeda or the Taliban—preventing Obama from applying indefinite detention to new detainees.

It is noteworthy that this rationalization was explicitly repudiated by the Supreme Court in its 2006 ruling against the Bush administration’s military commissions in the case Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld. Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, declared that there was nothing in the Authorization to Use Military Force that "even hinted" at allowing the president to expand his war powers to override due process.

Some civil liberties spokesmen welcomed the announcement from the Obama administration on the grounds that legislation would be even more destructive of democratic rights than the bare assertion of executive power. In response, ACLU Lawyer Jonathan Hafetz, who represented Guantánamo prisoner Mohammed Jawad in his habeas case, said, "In fact, Obama is continuing to make the same core assertion Bush did: the right to seize individuals anywhere in the world and deny them a fair trial based on the notion of a global 'war on terror.’"

Obama’s decision marks an intensification of the assault on habeas corpus, the "great writ," which underlays all civil liberties and dates back to the Middle Ages. Habeas corpus stipulates that the state must produce an arrested individual in an independent court and show just cause for imprisonment. Failing this, the arrested individual has "the right to have his body," and must be released.

Also on Wednesday, the Justice Department outlined what it presented as a democratic reinterpretation of the executive "state secrets" privilege, which allows the federal government to deny certain evidence from court proceedings based on the assertion that it may endanger national security.

Rather than using the privilege to block particular pieces of evidence, both the Bush and Obama administrations have invoked "state secrets" as a means of shutting down entire court cases launched by the victims of torture, extraordinary rendition, and warrantless wiretapping.

The new parameters do not restrict the use of the privilege to thwart court cases that challenge government abuse. Like the Bush administration, Obama has taken the position that US methods in the "war on terror" are beyond legal review.

"They don’t anywhere say, 'we will not seek dismissal on state secrets grounds at the outset [of a case]’" said Ben Wizner, an ACLU attorney. "They say we’re going to make an effort to apply it as narrowly as possible. But that doesn’t change what they’ve been doing all along."

Obama’s reassertion of indefinite detention and an expansive state secrets doctrine underscores the administration’s deeply reactionary character. These actions join a long list of antidemocratic policies carried over from the Bush administration.

The Obama administration has declared it has the right to carry on illegal domestic spying operations and the practice of rendition. It has rejected the habeas corpus rights of prisoners held at the notorious Bagram prison in Afghanistan. And Obama has declared his determination, in the name of "moving on," to defend the Bush administration and CIA agents who oversaw a global regime of torture and murder.

These are not mistaken policies, as some liberal critics assert. The antidemocratic abuses of the "war on terror" emerge inexorably from the American ruling class’s turn toward aggressive war as the means of offsetting the erosion in its economic position.

The Obama administration’s main target is not terrorism. Instead, the framework of a police state—being prepared under conditions of mass unemployment and deepening social misery—is to be used against political and social opposition within the US.





 
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 05:50:42 AM »

Thanks for the IZ song, good song, good version.

Yeah, I think these days we are all looking for the America of lore.



Yes.. also thinking today about Paul Simon's song, America.
'And we've all come to look for America ...'

It's MIA.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 06:59:41 AM »


Far reaching, by God it is.

Those who are considered terrorists,supporters or sypathisers are not allowed Habeus Corpus.
Most of the masses consider this to be in effect for our Middle east guests incarcerated.

This edict will come here within our borders. The writing is on the wall, those who resist the regime will be labeled as traitors, therfor terrorist sympathizers, or whatever other label that may spin.

At present, those citizens who do not take the manadatory vaccine are at risk of being waylaid to a FEMA camp, or fined, or inprisoned or both.

The enslavement will progress, this is one of the many segments of the elites plan for the takeover.

The bottom line, one day those of us who speak their minds, defy tyrany are subject to incarceration without formal charges, defense , nor Habeus Corpus.

Slavery, YES, back to the days of the Nazis, as if they ever truly left.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 09:33:25 AM »

Oh wow! He didn't mention that at the UN did he?

I thought he mentioned some crap about Gitmo and 'the rule of law'.

The only question is - what and who's law?

Obviously - no law that has anything to do with the concept of this nation of the Constitution.
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