America's Middle Class Can't Take Much More Punishment

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Re: What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010?
« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2010, 09:49:44 PM »
I heard some trad on the radio bragging about how he downloaded a bunch of books after surfing around on the web.

NONE of these fools are going to be reading books on this thing!  :D :D :D
I am an American citizen, not an "American consumer".

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Size of middle class correlated with high top marginal tax rate
« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2010, 03:28:20 PM »
Look at this chart.
http://www.thenation.com/special/images/extreme_inequalitychart.jpg

The middle class was largest between the end of WW2, and the late 70s. At the end of world war 2, a lot of wealthy had just lost their fortunes due to the depression and years of war. The tax rate on corporations and the top earners was also higher. When they lowered it, these people had lots of excess capital to gamble with, rather than to wisely lend out as investments that they had scrutinized carefully. This caused prices for ordinary needs such as housing, energy, food and so forth to rise for the poor, so they became more poor, and the money flowed to the top.

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'Globalism' killing US middle class: Here's the Stats to Prove It
« Reply #83 on: July 15, 2010, 08:17:23 PM »
The 22 statistics detailed here prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer at a staggering rate. Once upon a time, the United States had the largest and most prosperous middle class in the history of the world, but now that is changing at a blinding pace.

So why are we witnessing such fundamental changes? Well, the globalism and "free trade" that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us have had some rather nasty side effects. It turns out that they didn't tell us that the "global economy" would mean that middle class American workers would eventually have to directly compete for jobs with people on the other side of the world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations. The big global corporations have greatly benefited by exploiting third world labor pools over the last several decades, but middle class American workers have increasingly found things to be very tough.

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The reality is that no matter how smart, how strong, how educated or how hard working American workers are, they just cannot compete with people who are desperate to put in 10 to 12 hour days at less than a dollar an hour on the other side of the world. After all, what corporation in their right mind is going to pay an American worker 10 times more (plus benefits) to do the same job? The world is fundamentally changing. Wealth and power are rapidly becoming concentrated at the top and the big global corporations are making massive amounts of money. Meanwhile, the American middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence as U.S. workers are slowly being merged into the new "global" labor pool.

What do most Americans have to offer in the marketplace other than their labor? Not much. The truth is that most Americans are absolutely dependent on someone else giving them a job. But today, U.S. workers are "less attractive" than ever. Compared to the rest of the world, American workers are extremely expensive, and the government keeps passing more rules and regulations seemingly on a monthly basis that makes it even more difficult to conduct business in the United States.

So corporations are moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed. Since the U.S. government does not penalize them for doing so, there really is no incentive for them to stay.

What has developed is a situation where the people at the top are doing quite well, while most Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to make it. There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of "chronically unemployed" is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.

Many of those who are able to get jobs are finding that they are making less money than they used to. In fact, an increasingly large percentage of Americans are working at low wage retail and service jobs.

But you can't raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald's or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.

The truth is that the middle class in America is dying -- and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.

Click here for statistical proof of the Middle Class extermination.



http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/520657/The-U.S.-Middle-Class-Is-Being-Systematically-Wiped-Out%3A-Heres-the-Stats-to-Prove-It

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Appreciate this link, reposted it around.
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I was going to post this too.  Thanks.  Hope people see this. 

Globalism was a fools game for the U. S.

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Re: 'Globalism' killing US middle class: Here's the Stats to Prove It
« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2010, 05:29:06 AM »
but but but Al Gore promised that if NAFTA was created there would be millions of jobs created almost over night!!! what he forgot to mention was that those jobs would be created everywhere but in the US.
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Re: 'Globalism' killing US middle class: Here's the Stats to Prove It
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2010, 09:30:57 AM »
but but but Al Gore promised that if NAFTA was created there would be millions of jobs created almost over night!!! what he forgot to mention was that those jobs would be created everywhere but in the US.

NAFTA: Ross Perot and Al Gore Debate 1993
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yww5Z3PJIs


These debates should be viewed again in their entirety. It is more and more obvious that there is only one political party...the Bilderberg financed political party:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/debatingourdestiny/1992.html



Want to know why every presidential "debate" since 1992 has been a Tweedledum-vs.-Tweedledee yawn-fest?

Read the following and you'll know exactly why:

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PEROT: And [for] the rest of my minute, I want to make a very brief comment here in terms of Saddam Hussein. We told him that we wouldn't get involved with his border dispute, and we've never revealed those papers that were given to Ambassador Glaspie on July the 25th. I suggest, in the sense of taking responsibility for your actions, we lay those papers on the table. They're not the secrets to the nuclear bomb.

Secondly, we got upset when he took the whole thing, but to the ordinary American out there who doesn't know where the oil fields are in Kuwait, they're near the border. We told him he could take the northern part of Kuwait, and when he took the whole thing, we went nuts. And if we didn't tell him that, why won't we even let the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee see the written instructions for Ambassador Glaspie?

BUSH: I've got reply on that. That gets to the national honor. We did not say to Saddam Hussein, Ross, you can take the northern part of Kuwait.

PEROT: Well, where are the papers?

BUSH: That is absolutely absurd.

PEROT: Where are the papers?

BUSH: Glaspie has testified --

(APPLAUSE)

-- and Glaspie's papers have been presented to the US Senate. Please, let's be factual.

PEROT: If you have time, go through Nexis and Lexis, pull all the old news articles, look at what Ambassador Glaspie said all through the fall and what-have-you, and then look at what she and Kelly and all the others in State said at the end when they were trying to clean it up. And talk to any head of any of those key committees in the Senate. They will not let them see the written instructions given to Ambassador Glaspie. And I suggest that in a free society owned by the people, the American people ought to know what we told Ambassador Glaspie to tell Saddam Hussein, because we spent a lot of money and risked lives and lost lives in that effort, and did not accomplish most of our objectives.

We got Kuwait back to the emir but he's still not his nuclear, his chemical, his bacteriological and he's still over there, right? I'd like to see those written instructions.

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Is it not obvious in the above exchange that it wasn't the "national honor" Bush Sr. was protecting, but his political ass?

Is it not also obvious that, in the 2008 debates, both McCain and Obama would have been doing the very same thing if alternative candidates like Baldwin, McKinney and Nader had been allowed to bring up issues that the former two wanted desperately to avoid?



I`ve watched this before and it`s worth watching again.

Go to the 6:30 point and watch Perot really lay it on the line about who controls the Mexican government,how the U.S. ignores how they treat their people and how corporate america uses thugs to control the workers.

pt.4  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMj5SHK6Yeg&feature=related
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Re: 'Globalism' killing US middle class: Here's the Stats to Prove It
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2010, 10:27:30 AM »

The Roman Empire too eliminated the middle class, that led to their fall.

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Work experience at the Foreign Office? Not if you’re a middle class white male

William Hague was last night plunged into a row over new ­Foreign Office rules which ban white males from gaining work experience at his department.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297421/Work-experience-FO-Not-middle-class-white-male.html#ixzz0uu735BD3



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Re: White Males Need Not Apply
« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2010, 01:22:43 PM »
The Windsor branch of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha surely does seem keen to make life hard for white males in the UK and the US.   >:(
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Re: White Males Need Not Apply
« Reply #91 on: July 27, 2010, 01:30:00 PM »
The only way a unilingual white guy can get a government job in Canada is if he's "disabled" or gay -- failing that, good riddance slave!
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They are telling us there will be no more Middle Class...
« Reply #93 on: September 05, 2010, 07:51:10 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_employment_future_jobs?mwp_success=NONJS_POST_SUCCESS#mwpphu-post-form

Whenever companies start hiring freely again, job-seekers with specialized skills and education will have plenty of good opportunities. Others will face a choice: Take a job with low pay — or none at all.

Job creation will likely remain weak for months or even years. But once employers do step up hiring, some economists expect job openings to fall mainly into two categories of roughly equal numbers:

• Professional fields with higher pay. Think lawyers, research scientists and software engineers.

• Lower-skill and lower-paying jobs, like home health care aides and store clerks.

And those in between? Their outlook is bleaker. Economists foresee fewer moderately paid factory supervisors, postal workers and office administrators.
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Re: They are telling us there will be no more Middle Class...
« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2010, 09:50:16 PM »
This Quigley pg mentions the Middle Class (pg 1248 near bottom)
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=185745.msg1100617#msg1100617
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Re: They are telling us there will be no more Middle Class...
« Reply #95 on: September 05, 2010, 10:40:29 PM »
It's the New Amerika--get use to it.
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Re: They are telling us there will be no more Middle Class...
« Reply #96 on: September 05, 2010, 10:44:22 PM »
It's the New Amerika--get use to it.

I'll never get use to it!   >:(
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Re: They are telling us there will be no more Middle Class...
« Reply #97 on: September 05, 2010, 11:12:53 PM »
Hi monkey pox.

Another peice of history. Many historians beleive the fall of the Roman Empire was attributed the elimination of the middle class.
Could it be that elitists are up on  historical patterns? Ya know, we comoners for the most part are educated in public schools, these folks are educated & mentored, by masters.
Ever get the feeling controll and domination of the masses is a defined subject matter.

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Re: They are telling us there will be no more Middle Class...
« Reply #98 on: September 05, 2010, 11:38:24 PM »
Hi monkey pox.

Another peice of history. Many historians beleive the fall of the Roman Empire was attributed the elimination of the middle class.
Could it be that elitists are up on  historical patterns? Ya know, we comoners for the most part are educated in public schools, these folks are educated & mentored, by masters.
Ever get the feeling controll and domination of the masses is a defined subject matter.
We were only let off the hook to build the NWO.That is all our societies(Global) are designed to do,build "their" NWO,They just gave us some toys to play with why were doing it,so we keep on target.We don't have a system of our own.They are the designers,we are the builders.

We were let out into the nice green pasture,while there getting their nice new abattoirs  & sweat shops  ready for our children to work in.They new it would be faster letting us think we were working for ourselves,because when dictatorships arise,everything(life)stops.Ingenuity is product of freedom.

Now they will build up the East,have the west turn into the third world to pay for it(as in slave labor,like there is now in the east).And when the mass's cry out "look what they're doing to us",what do you think they will say?

This is the east-west paradigm.
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27 Signs That The Standard Of Living For America’s Middle Class Is Dropping Like A Rock


1. In 2009, 43.6 million Americans were living in poverty, the highest number ever recorded

2. A staggering 25% of all American adults now have a credit score below 599

3. It is estimated that nearly a third of all Americans cannot qualify for a mortgage because of low credit scores

4. For the first time in history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all American households put together.

5. Household spending for the middle fifth of all U.S. income earners was down 3.5% in 2009, the steepest decline on record

6. Median household income in the United States fell from $51,726 in 2008 to $50,221 in 2009

7. In 2009 residents of New York state experienced their first full-year decline in income in more than 70 years

8. Of the 52 largest metro areas in the US, only the city of San Antonio did not see a decline in median household income in 2009

9. Home ownership in the United States declined for the third year in a row in 2009

10. In 2009, approximately 4 million Americans fell out of the middle class and now live below the federal poverty line

11. The number of Americans enrolled in the food stamp program has set a new all-time record for 20 consecutive months

12. In July 2010, 41.8 million Americans were on food stamps

13. The number of Americans in the food stamp program skyrocketed more than 55 percent between December 2007 and July 2010

14. In 2009, more than 48 million Americans were enrolled in the Medicaid program

15. One out of every six Americans is now enrolled in at least one anti-poverty program run by the U.S. government

16. Approximately 21% of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010

17. Anti-poverty spending by the U.S. government has increased 89% over the past decade

18. The cost of health care increased a staggering 9.6% for all U.S. households from 2007 to 2009

19. Only the top 5% of all households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975

20. 35% of all U.S. households now live on $35,000 or less

21. Wall Street bonuses for 2009 were up 17% when compared with 2008

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. 61% of Americans "always or usually" live paycheck to paycheck. That was up substantially from 49% in 2008 and 43% in 2007

23. Today, 28% of all American households have at least one member that is searching for a full-time job

24. Nearly 10 million Americans now receive unemployment insurance, which is almost four times as many that were receiving it back in 2007

25. 55% of the U.S. labor force has experienced either unemployment, a pay decrease, a reduction in hours or an involuntary move to part-time work since the recession began

26. Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, a stunning 32% increase over 2008

27. The bottom fifth of all U.S. income earners brought in just 3.4% of all income in 2009, while the top fifth brought in a whopping 49.4% of all income


http://www.businessinsider.com/standard-of-living-middle-class-2010-10





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I remember a time when I could go to the store and buy a fresh, non-steroid enhanced rib eye steak and cook with baked potato and salad.  Haven't done that in ages.  No eating out...I know our 'income' has definitely gone down.  I make the same as I made 3 years ago, with prices increasing, housing, utilities, etc., it is no longer enough.  I work for an attorney that handles the creditor side of bankruptcies, the number of files we have this year is about 20-30% more than last year at this time.  The number of foreclosures is more than double what we did last year, so far.

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I remember a time when I could go to the store and buy a fresh, non-steroid enhanced rib eye steak and cook with baked potato and salad.  Haven't done that in ages.  No eating out...I know our 'income' has definitely gone down.  I make the same as I made 3 years ago, with prices increasing, housing, utilities, etc., it is no longer enough.  I work for an attorney that handles the creditor side of bankruptcies, the number of files we have this year is about 20-30% more than last year at this time.  The number of foreclosures is more than double what we did last year, so far.

We have to support each other through these turbulent times.  Families must come together; communities must come together; we have to shed these ego-centonic cultural chains that have been programmed into us by the wicked control freaks at the top.

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Another answer is to get out of debt as soon as possible.  It may seem impossible but you can do it. Dave Ramsey says to eat beans and rice--and get your house paid for.  A mortgage payment is what takes so much of a check each month.  If you can drive a car that is paid for--no car payment can be awfully nice.

Dave Ramsey also says if you have a lot of credit card debts, start with the smallest and get it paid off. Then use that money to go on another debt. Cut up credit cards--use cash.  Have a home where you can grow a garden if necessary in order to live. That means having some non-hybrid seeds on hand.

Yes, we can support each other and help our neighbors. Bartering can be done too. 



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I agree.  For the last six months, my family has been cutting back in every area of our lives.  We have successfully eliminated credit cards.  Now working on car payments and student loans, next, mortgage.  Slowly, but surely, we will get there.  We eat a LOT of potatoes, cheap and versatile!

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« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2011, 01:49:17 PM »
The Rise of the New Global Elite

F. Scott Fitzgerald was right when he declared the rich different from you and me. But today’s super-rich are also different from yesterday’s: more hardworking and meritocratic, but less connected to the nations that granted them opportunity—and the countrymen they are leaving ever further behind.

If you happened to be watching NBC on the first Sunday morning in August last summer, you would have seen something curious. There, on the set of Meet the Press, the host, David Gregory, was interviewing a guest who made a forceful case that the U.S. economy had become “very distorted.” In the wake of the recession, this guest explained, high-income individuals, large banks, and major corporations had experienced a “significant recovery”; the rest of the economy, by contrast—including small businesses and “a very significant amount of the labor force”—was stuck and still struggling. What we were seeing, he argued, was not a single economy at all, but rather “fundamentally two separate types of economy,” increasingly distinct and divergent.

This diagnosis, though alarming, was hardly unique: drawing attention to the divide between the wealthy and everyone else has long been standard fare on the left. (The idea of “two Americas” was a central theme of John Edwards’s 2004 and 2008 presidential runs.) What made the argument striking in this instance was that it was being offered by none other than the former five-term Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan: iconic libertarian, preeminent defender of the free market, and (at least until recently) the nation’s foremost devotee of Ayn Rand. When the high priest of capitalism himself is declaring the growth in economic inequality a national crisis, something has gone very, very wrong.

This widening gap between the rich and non-rich has been evident for years. In a 2005 report to investors, for instance, three analysts at Citigroup advised that “the World is dividing into two blocs—the Plutonomy and the rest”:

    In a plutonomy there is no such animal as “the U.S. consumer” or “the UK consumer”, or indeed the “Russian consumer”. There are rich consumers, few in number, but disproportionate in the gigantic slice of income and consumption they take. There are the rest, the “non-rich”, the multitudinous many, but only accounting for surprisingly small bites of the national pie.

Before the recession, it was relatively easy to ignore this concentration of wealth among an elite few. The wondrous inventions of the modern economy—Google, Amazon, the iPhone—broadly improved the lives of middle-class consumers, even as they made a tiny subset of entrepreneurs hugely wealthy. And the less-wondrous inventions—particularly the explosion of subprime credit—helped mask the rise of income inequality for many of those whose earnings were stagnant.

But the financial crisis and its long, dismal aftermath have changed all that. A multibillion-dollar bailout and Wall Street’s swift, subsequent reinstatement of gargantuan bonuses have inspired a narrative of parasitic bankers and other elites rigging the game for their own benefit. And this, in turn, has led to wider—and not unreasonable—fears that we are living in not merely a plutonomy, but a plutocracy, in which the rich display outsize political influence, narrowly self-interested motives, and a casual indifference to anyone outside their own rarefied economic bubble.

Through my work as a business journalist, I’ve spent the better part of the past decade shadowing the new super-rich: attending the same exclusive conferences in Europe; conducting interviews over cappuccinos on Martha’s Vineyard or in Silicon Valley meeting rooms; observing high-powered dinner parties in Manhattan. Some of what I’ve learned is entirely predictable: the rich are, as F. Scott Fitzgerald famously noted, different from you and me.

What is more relevant to our times, though, is that the rich of today are also different from the rich of yesterday. Our light-speed, globally connected economy has led to the rise of a new super-elite that consists, to a notable degree, of first- and second-generation wealth. Its members are hardworking, highly educated, jet-setting meritocrats who feel they are the...
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/1/

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The Rise of the Global Elite: Openly Destroying the American Middle Class.
« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2011, 04:54:03 PM »
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/1/

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The good news—and the bad news—for America is that the nation’s own super-elite is rapidly adjusting to this more global perspective. The U.S.-based CEO of one of the world’s largest hedge funds told me that his firm’s investment committee often discusses the question of who wins and who loses in today’s economy. In a recent internal debate, he said, one of his senior colleagues had argued that the hollowing-out of the American middle class didn’t really matter. “His point was that if the transformation of the world economy lifts four people in China and India out of poverty and into the middle class, and meanwhile means one American drops out of the middle class, that’s not such a bad trade,” the CEO recalled.

I heard a similar sentiment from the Taiwanese-born, 30-something CFO of a U.S. Internet company. A gentle, unpretentious man who went from public school to Harvard, he’s nonetheless not terribly sympathetic to the complaints of the American middle class. “We demand a higher paycheck than the rest of the world,” he told me. “So if you’re going to demand 10 times the paycheck, you need to deliver 10 times the value. It sounds harsh, but maybe people in the middle class need to decide to take a pay cut.”

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Re: The Rise of the Global Elite: Openly Destroying the American Middle Class.
« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2011, 04:55:57 PM »
As long as Americans keep voting in both Globalist parties then just take the abuse America.

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Re: The Rise of the Global Elite: Openly Destroying the American Middle Class.
« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2011, 05:01:57 PM »
Do these morons realize that if they destroy the middle class they destroy consumption and taxes to siphon off to their buddies?

Then again, they've already pillaged the middle class between TARP, taxes, and other dubious legislation.  So what's left to take?

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Re: The Rise of the Global Elite: Openly Destroying the American Middle Class.
« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2011, 05:19:36 PM »
nice find

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Re: The Rise of the Global Elite: Openly Destroying the American Middle Class.
« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2011, 05:27:41 PM »
Yeah but as long as men can watch their cable sports channels and women their fashion and celebrity shows then they won't wake up till the power is off and the FEMA trucks are outside their house.


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But can you believe that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8590456/Will-we-ever-have-a-black-prime-minister.html

Just take a look around. Black people figure prominently on billboards and on our TV screens when it comes to less celebral worlds, like sport and music. But where are the doctors, intellectuals and engineers? On TV – usually a fairly good social barometer – when was the last time you saw a black middle-class couple advertise a product? Do white racist advertisers not want to feature black people for fear of alienating white consumers? Or does this glaring lack of diversity just hold a mirror up to the lack of black, middle-class consumers?

The chronic dearth of educated, black, middle-class professionals in this country explains the mess we are in today. If there were a sizeable black middle class, perhaps there’d also be less racism – like that displayed by the celebrity hairdresser James Brown, whose recent vitriolic, N-word peppered tirade at black TV presenter Ben Douglas at the Baftas showed the worst sort of bigotry in Britain today.

On the British arts scene, depictions of black, middle-class realities are practically non-existent. Most worrying is the exponential increase, over the last 10 years, of black British theatre, now almost exclusively “the theatre of the ghetto”. “Street” patois, histrionic hip-hop hand gestures and plots revolving around the tedious staples of council estates, guns and drugs are the norm. And when was the last time you saw more than three black people in the audience at a non-black play at the National Theatre?
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Is this the Middle Class Unrest for America
« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2011, 02:11:39 PM »

Yes, they are right, we should not be in Libya, and people who have been paying into the social security their whole lives, it shouldn't be taken away to pay for a war or anything else. But beyond that, but as typical when a movement or idea is hijacked, it starts with a grain of truth and leads to a river of sh*t.

There are a couple of red flags here:

The website was on one of the news stories about the unconstitutional war in Libya, so out of general interest I checked it out, because I don't think we should be there, and people who have been forced to pay for social security should get their own money back.

I was interested at how well funded it looked, I couldn't copy the banner image locations conveniently, and certain key phrases and themes jumped out at me indicating that this is some kind of fake top-down movement. I think October 6th may be the beginning of the Arab Spring of America.






http://october2011.org/

October 2011 is the 10th anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan and the beginning of the 2012 federal austerity budget. It is time to light the spark that sets off a true democratic, nonviolent transition to a world in which people are freed to create just and sustainable solutions.

We call on people of conscience and courage—all who seek peace, economic justice, human rights and a healthy environment—to join together in Washington, D.C., beginning on Oct. 6, 2011, in nonviolent resistance similar to the Arab Spring and the Midwest awakening.

Forty-seven years ago, Mario Savio, an activist student at Berkeley, said, "There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all."

Those words have an even greater urgency today. We face ongoing wars and massive socio-economic and environmental destruction perpetrated by a corporate empire which is oppressing, occupying and exploiting the world. We are on a fast track to making the planet unlivable while the middle class and poor people of our country are undergoing the most wrenching and profound economic crisis in 80 years.

"Stop the Machine! • Create a New World!" is a clarion call for all who are deeply concerned with injustice, militarism and environmental destruction to join in ending concentrated corporate power and taking direct control of a real participatory democracy. We will encourage a culture of resistance—using music, art, theater and direct nonviolent action—to take control of our country and our lives. It is about courageously resisting and stopping the corporate state from destroying not only our inherent rights and freedoms, but also our children’s chance to live, breathe clean air, drink pure water, grow edible natural food and live in peace.

As Mother Jones said, "Someday the workers will take possession of your city hall, and when we do, no child will be sacrificed on the altar of profit!"

We are the ones who can create a new and just world. Our issues are connected. We are connected. Join us in Washington, D.C., on Oct. 6, 2011, to Stop the Machine.

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Take the pledge and sign up to attend here. Let America know you are coming to make history and a new world!

"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that criminal occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will nonviolently resist the corporate machine until our resources are invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning ..."


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Is this a UN front group or what? I think this is the "unrest" that we've been hearing so much about.



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Re: Is this the Middle Class Unrest for America
« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2011, 02:21:49 PM »
 I don't smoke their entire agenda, but I agree wholehartedly, END the FK wars.
 Begin a new world raises questions, can't say why, and the environmental issue though relevent is not on the top of my list at this moment.
 Our heads are getting flushed down the toilet, do we need to ask if the waters clean.

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Paul Ryan Calls For Increasing Taxes On Middle Class But Dismisses Millionaires
« Reply #113 on: September 18, 2011, 11:09:09 PM »
Paul Ryan Calls For Increasing Taxes On Middle Class But Dismisses Millionaires Tax As ‘Class Warfare’

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) resumed his attacks on President Obama’s economic policy Sunday morning, suggesting that the President’s plan to tax millionaires’ profits from capital gains in order to fund job creation efforts constitutes “class warfare”:

    RYAN: It adds further instability to our system — more uncertainty — and it punishes job creation and those people who create jobs. Class warfare, Chris, may make for really good politics but it makes for rotten economics. We don’t need to divide people and prey on people’s fear and envy and anxiety. We need to remove the barriers so entrepreneurs can hire people. These tax increases don’t work. [...]

    This is a double tax… If we tax investment and tax more you will get less of it. It looks like to me not a very good sign. It looks like the President wants to move down the class warfare path. Class warfare will simply divide this country more, will attack job creators,  divide people, and it doesn’t grow the economy.


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Ironically, Ryan was simultaneously calling for an end to the current temporary tax cuts, which would raise taxes by 50 percent on those making less than $106,000. While launching accusations of “class warfare,” Ryan is the one who would prefer that people with less money pay more, while those with more money keep more.

As Warren Buffett pointed out last month, the mega-rich pay “practically nothing” in payroll taxes and instead pay far lower tax rates on passive investment income. Congress has “coddled” billionaires, Buffett argued, rather than calling on them for serious “shared sacrifice.”

Ryan is clearly attempting to paint the President as being responsible for the growing divide between the middle class and richest Americans. In reality, it’s House Republicans who are rejecting all of Obama’s plans to create and protect jobs for all Americans. If millionaires’ capital gains were the key to creating jobs, the jobs would exist by now.


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« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2011, 01:31:27 PM »
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The U.S. is engaged in cyber "cold war" thanks to the constant barrage of attacks from its enemies and must build up its capacity to respond in order to deter such attacks, according to an op-ed published in The Hill Friday by retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Harry Raduege.

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The 999 fraud...more tax slavery & theft of freedom for middle class America
« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2011, 07:24:59 PM »
It is getting more difficult for me to ignore the bull Sh***t the MSM is giving us, this was  yahoo news.
 

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Re: Yahoo says 999 put Hermy on top!
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2011, 07:33:25 PM »

9% Corporate Tax
Since this is FEDERAL, that would be U.S. corporations, not those incorporated in the 50 states of the union.

9% Personal Income Tax
Since this is FEDERAL, that would be foreign persons (corps and individuals) with domestic-sourced income, their withholding agents, and U.S. citizens residing abroad with foreign-sourced income.

9% National Sales Tax
Again, since this is FEDERAL, the sales tax could only be imposed upon those exercising the privilege of selling at retail within FEDERAL territories, enclaves, possessions, magazines and forts.  Don't let the word "national" fool you... the federal government has absolutely no authority to impose a tax upon the privilege of selling at retail outside its territorial jurisdiction.  Hell, the states don't, either.  Do you know what the "privilege of selling at retail" even means?  That's not mom & pop shops selling goods and services within your state... even though they collect and externalize it anyway (can we say FRAUD!).


Of course, Herman won't disclose these facts any more than he would disclose the fact that the CURRENT income tax doesn't apply to Americans living and working within the 50 states, either.  His math is completely f**ked because he's basing it upon the FRAUD that is perpetrated today with regard to the current misapplication of federal taxation.

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Re: Yahoo says 999 put Hermy on top!
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Re: Yahoo says 999 put Hermy on top!
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2011, 08:15:51 PM »


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Re: Yahoo says 999 put Hermy on top!
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2011, 08:24:52 PM »
excellent  ( FraudFather) -

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