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Re: Biden to oversee "war on the middle class" task force
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2008, 07:39:05 PM »
Their goal is to destroy the middle class and have only rulers and slaves.

Yep, exactly what their goal is.
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Re: Biden to oversee "war on the middle class" task force
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2008, 09:04:04 PM »
Obviously they do not want to restore the middle class, they want to RE-DEFINE the word. Middle class will be living paycheck to paycheck soon enough, and the poor will be in camps.
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Re: Biden to oversee "war on the middle class" task force
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2008, 09:13:07 PM »
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UK: Half Of Middle Class Homeowners Fear Repossession
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2008, 10:21:38 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/houseprices/4016367/Half-of-middle-class-home-owners-fear-their-properties-could-be-repossessed-next-year.html


The news comes after the Council for Mortgage Lenders forecast that the number of repossessions is likely nearly to double to 75,000 next year.
A YouGov poll, carried out for a new report from Tory MP Grant Shapps, found that 44 per cent of mortgage holders are worried that lenders could force them out of their properties next year.
A similar proportion were worried about not being able to meet mortgage payments between now and the end of 2010.
The study - The New Homeless - found that the concern among homeowners about losing the roof over their heads in the economic downturn stretched across society.
It found that 42 per cent of middle class professionals were worried about not paying the mortgage over the next year, compared with 46 per cent of blue collar households.
The study found that nearly one in seven people were in the highest category of being "very worried" about making the repayments over the next year.
More higher earners - 15 per cent - described themselves as "very worried" about being able to make the payments, compared with 12 per cent of those in less affluent groups, possibly because they over-borrowed during the property boom.
Part of the problem was that bills have far outstripped increases in family income. Figures show that while average pay increased by 13 per cent in the four years to the end of March 2008, fixed household costs jumped by 45 per cent.
Mr Shapps said: "Householders up and down the country and in every kind of housing are now concerned, as never before, about their ability to maintain a roof over their heads over the next 12 months.
"While Gordon Brown would like us to believe that they fixed the roof when the sun was shining, it's now becoming clear that for many hard working families concern about keeping their home is greater than at any time before.
"Despite this, the Government continues to release a series of poorly thought out announcements which are often contradictory and confusing for the public."
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Re: UK: Half Of Middle Class Homeowners Fear Repossession
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2009, 03:18:30 AM »
Yea well when they get repossessed the UK will be an official Fascist Monarchy owning 50% or more of the homes and inducing taxes and inflation to restore the fuedalist system stick the middle class at the peasent level.
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Vice President Joe Biden and the Middle Class Task Force
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2009, 11:59:13 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmKtzkcOTlo

Vice President Joe Biden and the Middle Class Task Force

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Middle Class Flee NYC
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2009, 02:06:42 PM »
                                               Middle Class Flee NYC


http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2009/02/05/new-york-city-datapoint-of-the-day?tid=true

Feb 5 2009 2:15PM EST
New York City Datapoint of the Day

The Center for an Urban Future has released a startling report on the fate of New York's middle classes -- even as the population of the city continues to grow, its middle class is shrinking, and when it comes to domestic migration, there are clearly many more New Yorkers leaving town than there are people from other US towns moving in.

More residents left the five boroughs for other locales in each of the years between 2002 and 2006 than in 1993, when the city was in far worse shape. In 2006, the city had a net loss of 151,441 residents through domestic out-migration, compared to a decline of 141,047 in 1993. Overall, in 2006 the city had a higher net domestic out-migration rate per 1,000 residents (-18.7) than struggling upstate communities such as Ithaca (-8.0), Buffalo/Niagara Falls (-7.6), Rochester (-5.8) and Syracuse (-5.1).

A huge part of this is the sheer expense of living in New York -- not just housing costs, although that's a lot of it, but everything else, too, from car insurance to the price of milk. But it's also that there simply aren't middle-class job opportunities in New York any more:

Of the 10 occupations that are expected to have the largest number of annual job openings in the city through 2014, only two offer median wages greater than $28,000 a year. Taking a wider view, 16 of the 40 occupations projected to have the largest number of annual job openings over the same period pay median wages below $30,000 a year, while another six pay between $30,000 and $40,000.

This is a big problem, because a "luxury city", filled essentially with the rich and those who service them, with very little in the middle, can never be a vibrant and exciting place. College graduates like myself should want to come to New York, not because they think they can make millions here, but just because it's a great place to live. And that seems to be happening less and less, as New York becomes increasingly unaffordable.

The authors write, quite rightly:

No city has had a greater history as a middle class incubator than New York. As the legendary urbanist and long time New York resident Jane Jacobs once noted: "A metropolitan economy, if working well, is constantly transforming many poor people into middle class people, many illiterates into skilled people, many greenhorns into competent citizens... Cities don't lure the middle class. They create it."

That's not happening any more, not in New York. And that's very worrying

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Re: Middle Class Flee NYC
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2009, 03:11:26 PM »
Some group (I forget which one) has a formula to determine who is considered "Middle Class".  According to their formula, only 5% of the residents of Los Angeles are now considered to be Middle Class.  Everyone else is rich or dirt poor.

Looks like the plan to eliminate the Middle Class is going well.
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Re: A mayor sticking up for the middle class
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2009, 11:38:27 AM »
What Middle Class?  It's becoming extinct.
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Re: A mayor sticking up for the middle class
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2009, 08:35:21 AM »
Isn't it ironic that all the people Obama appointed to the American Auto committee all drive Japaneese cars...

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Re: A mayor sticking up for the middle class
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2009, 08:59:44 AM »
Yeah,I saw that on the news last night about the Jap cars,and one of those 3 doesn't pay his taxes and get's a Federal job.
Now if you don't pay your student loans back on time,you can't even get a tax refund.

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Re: A mayor sticking up for the middle class
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2009, 10:26:04 AM »
Look at the pay increase for the executive class over the past 20 years and compare that to the workers. Of course the laborers are going to get mad, but are the executives going to take pay-cuts to save the company? They will use the class issue to divide us. Anyone making 250k a year is in the upper middle class where as people only making 20k a year are in the lower class. There is a great dead zone in between these classes as the lower middle and upper middle class are wiped out. It Just happens that the lower middle class was easier to eliminate.

Now the majority of the lower class will hate the upper middle class (250K) because that is the only "rich" people that they can see. They will never see the elite as the elite never have to walk amongst the peasants. The elite will never have to make any sacrifices as they have an escape goat in the upper middle class(and still get to rape us all). The real problem here is in the dead zone forming between the former contiguous middle class and now lower class(this is by design). If there was more continuity in the middle classes then they could not run an effective class war campaign. They can then remain completely ignored by the entire working class.

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Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2009, 01:57:44 AM »
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A summer of discontent? It seems a real possibility. Senior officers in the Met are worried. Of course, there are always groups which want to stir up disorder on the slightest excuse or none.

The question in these deeply depressed times is how many people who would normally stay aloof might feel like joining them?

It is difficult to think of a time when so many people of so many ages at so many levels of society have cause to be fed up and fearful for their futures.



Anger: Workers went on strike at the Lindsey Oil Refinery earlier this month
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They range from the unemployed to savers who have seen their investments, principally for old age, brutally devalued in the stock markets. There are those who have lost their homes after being lured into excessive mortgages.

There are students, many of whom were not qualified for higher education, who are being told that the jobs market is never likely to offer them serious employment.

Add to this - as the police fear - a number of single issues such as Heathrow, or power stations alleged to cause global warming, or the business preference for immigrant workers, or events in the Middle East.

Do the sums and you come up with a powerful cocktail which differs from previous periods of anger and dissent - because there is so much middle-class anger in it. The normally staid who would not join protests may do so now.

A desire to protest is a common feature of adolescence and has regularly led to silly disturbances in the past. This time, the danger is that parents may feel like joining in.

The situation is made worse by the fact that the Government, whatever confident attitudes it may strike in public, is plainly fumbling in its efforts to prevent a long-term economic depression.

Comparisons with the past can be useful - or misleading. The Met thinks back to disturbances in the Eighties. Many of these were, in fact, little more than local looting. But that, too, could reappear under a general air of 'political' protest.

A more serious parallel is with 1968 when French dissent - les evenements - spread through other countries including Britain, where the American Embassy in London's Grosvenor Square was so nearly invaded.

The French riots, to some extent being repeated today on economic issues, led to President De Gaulle fleeing, if briefly, to a military base in Germany. It was kept a secret then.

Those riots were led by protesting students - sneered at by the Communist Party leader as 'sons of the upper bourgeoisie'. It may be the bourgeoisie, not just its sons, who take to protest this time.

The targets which the Met fears now are the banks. It might be absurd to attack businesses partly or fully taken over by the state. But logic is rarely strong in disturbances. Protesters look for symbols to rail at.

A new worry about protests is that we have a significant element of youth gangsterism in the public at large. All too obviously, the gangs which now disfigure the streets of large cities will seize eagerly on disturbances to try a spot of looting in commercial centres.

They have been taught by the politicians and the courts that, if caught, they will suffer only light sentences anyway. Apart from which, being caught is less likely if there is general disorder.

We should contemplate the thought while economic issues dominate politics at the moment; the big issue could be law and order by the summer.

It is not possible to say how that would affect the next election. I am not going to guess. But it would mean a whole new major issue for politicians of all parties whose thoughts have been elsewhere.
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Lindsay Duncan made an impressive attempt to be Mrs Thatcher last night. But she was too much the film-makers' idea of the rough, tough chief executive. Apart from being too beautiful, Duncan's snap-snap voice did not capture the note of hoarse exasperation which was more truly Thatcher - and could make her so tiresome.

But she was tiresome in a good cause. One would have liked to hear more of the plotting by Deputy Prime Minister Geoffrey Howe and Chancellor Nigel Lawson to force her into membership of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism. She should have said that if they, or anyone else, really thought it a resigning issue, then they should go ahead and resign.

Her fault was not being tough enough. As we all know, her instincts were right.

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Re: Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2009, 02:13:19 AM »
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If you think that's cause for alarm, wait until millions of teenage girls can't afford their cell phone bills anymore!
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Re: Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2009, 03:08:03 AM »
If you think that's cause for alarm, wait until millions of teenage girls can't afford their cell phone bills anymore!

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Re: Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2009, 04:38:38 AM »
If you think that's cause for alarm, wait until millions of teenage girls can't afford their cell phone bills anymore!

How that is what is going to really make the SHTF we are talking biblical here!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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Re: Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2009, 06:38:51 AM »
Talking to the people in my community people are mad as hell they trust no one in power and have absolute contempt for any one in positions of power, in their local, national or international capacity in all sectors and justifiably so. From the very old to the very young they are mad as hell.
People are beginning to wake up they are demanding justice and justice must be done, not just be seen to be done. When they say let them eat cake, heads will roll. Cronisim, nepotism all of this old boy network should be brought trembling to its knees to beg forgiveness for the corruption they have spread into all the instutions. Time for people to unite and say enough is enough we dont want hope and change we want accountability first. We don't hope we will have change we demand it!
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Re: Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2009, 07:12:10 AM »
Well as long as they direct their anger at the right targets, the 'EYE' of the pyramid, and pluck it out as it offends us.  ;D

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Re: Beware when the angry mob is middle class
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2009, 07:53:14 AM »
 ;D in the words of Mr Magoo, "I might be blind, but i can still see you. :P
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The Middle Class Must Not Fail by Taylor Caldwell
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http://www.fox2now.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-climate-bill,0,798297.story

House Democrats' climate bill shortchanges Obama's middle-class tax credit

DINA CAPPIELLO Associated Press Writer

3:15 PM CDT, May 15, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House Democrats' bill to limit gases blamed for global warming would generate a fraction of the money President Barack Obama wanted to get from it to pay for a middle-class tax credit.

Leaders of the House Energy Committee officially introduced the 932-page legislation on Friday, revealing critical details in advance of the panel taking a vote on the measure by the end of next week. The bill — the American Clean Energy and Security Act — would for the first time mandate reductions in the heat-trapping gases linked to global warming, and also shift the country toward cleaner energy sources.

The bill would cap emissions from large industrial sources at a certain level, and distribute permits to companies to meet increasingly lower pollution targets.

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The Middle Class Must Not Fail by Taylor Caldwell
« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2009, 10:04:46 AM »
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With the rise of the Industrial Civilization in the world, about 200 years ago, there also arose a social body which we know as the middle class. Before that, most of the world suffered under a feudal system in which the people were truly slaves of their governments in all things. There was no strong buffer between them and their despotic rulers, no assurance of freedom to pursue commerce and to live decently, to keep the fruits of their labor and hold the paying of tribute at a minimum. The middle class made the dream of liberty a possibility, set limits on the government, fought for its constitutions, removed much of governmental privilege and tyranny, demanded that rulers obey the just laws as closely as the people, and enforced a general civic morality.

Sound leaders looked to the experience of Rome, the first to encourage a middle class, noting that Rome had been a strong and prosperous republic, with much public virtue, a large degree of freedom for every citizen, and a constitution (the Twelve Tables of Law) on which our own is based. After the fall of Rome, governments had everywhere destroyed the middle class, returned to despotism, and entered the Dark Ages. It had been centuries since a rising middle class resolved to keep government at a minimum and to force respect for the people and eschew tribute except for such absolute necessities as armed forces, street protection, and the guarantee of the authority of contracts in commerce.

An International Elite
Those who for centuries had ruled their nations, from father to son, in total despotism, realized that they were threatened. Were they not the elite, by divine right? Were they not by birth and money entitled to rule a nation of docile slaves? Did the people not understand that they were truly inferior dogs who needed a strong hand to rule them, and should they not be meek before their government?

Little wonder that the elite hated the middle class which challenged them in the name of God-given liberty. And little wonder that this hatred grew deeper as the middle class became stronger and imposed restrictions through which all the people, including the most humble, had the right to rule their own lives and keep the greater part of what they earned for themselves.

Clearly, if the elite were to rule again, the middle class had to be destroyed. It had to be destroyed so despotism and the system of tribute could be returned, and grandeur and honor and immense riches for the elite -- assuring their monopoly rule of all the world. For you see the elite of all nations, then as now, were not divided. They were one international class, and worked together and protected each other. But the middle class laughed and said "we will bind you with the chains of our Constitution, which you must obey also, lest we depose you, for we are now powerful and we are human beings and we wish to be free from your old despotism."

The elite did not give up. While it profited from the Industrial Revolution which under liberty of enterprise freed the people from the feudal and despotic systems, and which gave a new birth to the middle class, it also hated the threat to its own authority. It did not wish to destroy the Industrial Revolution; it wished to use it for its exclusive purposes. In the early 19th century this elite looked for a way, once and for all, to regain its power and extort tribute from the people and so destroy the burgeoning middle class which stood in its way, and to subdue the populaces again to their proper role as slaves of government by the elite.

Conspiratorial Advance
Through the "League of Just Men," elitist conspirators sought a fanatic to cloak the point of their purpose in slogans and cant. The man they hired was Karl Marx. Certainly Marx was no worker; he had never soiled his hands with labor. He hated the middle class, which he contemptuously called the bourgeoisie, for he considered himself superior in mentality and breeding to what he called "the gross merchants of commerce and exploitation." He did not attack the waiting despots, no indeed. They were of one mind with him. Rather he proposed in his books and pamphlets the return to government of the total power to exact tribute from the people in order that the government might better direct every phase of the people's lives, as he asserted, "for their own welfare." The elite, in turn, would control the governments.

Marx began to accuse the middle class of heinous crimes and aroused the workers against their benefactors. He labored to create envy and malice among the workers -- all aimed at the entrepreneurial middle class which had raised them from serfdom, restored their human dignity, and given them liberty for the first time in nearly 2,000 years.

Karl Marx was made to order by the self-styled elite. They financed the propagation of his sedition all over Europe and in America. They bled France and Germany with it. They financed sedition in Russia. And the plan began to succeed. By 1910 the Scandinavian countries had already fallen to the socialism of Karl Marx. Only three nations stood between the elite and their ambitions -- the British Empire, Czarist Russia, and the United States of America.

Much is now made of supposed Czarist tyranny. But the fact is that the Czar of Russia had already granted his people a greater measure of freedom. A constitution had been established, and a parliamentary system. Russia, too, was well on her way to nourishing and encouraging a middle class.

Hate and Envy
The elitists were anxious to promote the Marxist notion of demanding tribute from the people, for only through forced tribute could freedom be destroyed and the people reduced again to forced labor for the benefit of the elite. Only thus could the middle class be eliminated. So, we have Karl Marx's infamous notion: "To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability." That is a foundation for slavery and tribute. Marx and the elite had a juicy bait for the workers, who were deluded to envy and hate the middle class which had freed them. If the riches were taken away from the middle class, then the workers would become their equals. Marx called this redistribution of wealth. Not wealth from the elite, with their vast fortunes in every country of the world -- inherited fortunes which would not be taxed as income -- but wealth from the strong middle class, which would be robbed in the name of the people. Only earned income would be vulnerable to seizure.

But in the way of all this happiness for the conspiring international elite, and the slavery of the people, stood the United States, the British Empire, and Czarist Russia. They would have to be destroyed. Britain had only a small income tax, used for the armed forces, for roads, for the maintenance of law and order, and for the payment of a tiny body of bureaucrats.

Over and over, in America, the elite tried to establish their federal income tax, but they did not succeed. The people were too vigilant, too jealous of their freedom, too proud, too respectful of themselves. They embraced the ancient proverb, "To work is to pray," and they guarded the fruits of their labors. No, America had no graduated income tax to drain the capital of the hardworking middle class, and so she became strong and rich and powerful, the envy of nations which exacted tribute and forced labor from their people. Attempts were made to exact such tribute from Americans during the Civil War and the war with Spain, but each time the Supreme Court declared that our Constitution prohibited it. As late as 1902 the graduated income tax was again declared unconstitutional, and the Chief Justice observed: "It is a method to enslave our people, and deprive them of their liberty and right to the fruit of their labors."

The conspiratorial elite fumed. How best, now, to institute their system of tribute and slavery? The solution was war. During wartime, governments were better able to tax the people, harnessing their patriotism to maintain enlarged armed services.

And so the elite began to prepare America for war, and conspirators of the French and German and Russian and English elite worked with them -- for the destruction of their own nationals and the elimination, once and for all, of the defiant middle class. The American elite, under advice of their brother conspirators in other nations, proposed an amendment to the American Constitution -- a graduated income tax, just as Karl Marx had proposed. To support this the elite were very busy, through their henchmen, the socialists and the populists, and through their secret communists, in arousing the envy of the workers against the middle class. They told the workers that they would never be taxed, "only the rich," and even then the highest rate would be only two to three percent. And the taxes would go to "our exploited workers," through all sorts of governmental benefits. The unthinking, the envious, the stupid, and the malicious thought this was wonderful. They supported the 16th Amendment -- the federal income tax -- and it was passed into law in 1913.

Now the stage was set for war, the attack on the British Empire, Czarist Russia, and the German Empire. The major thrust of the effort to destroy the freedom of the whole world, and reduce it to total control by the elite, had begun.

The rest is sad contemporary history. Few in America heeded what Thomas Jefferson had said long ago, that when we are taxed on our earned incomes, in our food and our drink, in our coming and going, in our property, we would face the return of slavery and the reestablishment of an all-powerful and despotic elite. So it is that we of the middle class are being destroyed through the exaction of tribute, resulting in an ever-increasing power and despotism of a central government controlled by a conspiratorial elite, and everlasting wars to subdue us and drive us to our knees.

Never Again?
Do not believe for an instant that the world's conspiring elite in every nation have so much as a serious quarrel among them. They have just one object: control through tribute. Your slavery, through tribute, and mine. And they use wars for their purposes just as they use the inequities, harassments, bullying, capriciousness, and extortion of their graduated income tax. The system of taxation with which they have yoked us is really forced tribute from the hardworking, and especially from the middle class, who are slowly being eliminated.

Behind this attack are the self-styled elite, secure in their own power and riches. Most of them have huge fortunes which are tax-exempt. But every man and woman of us -- we of the middle class -- are taxed in our food and drink, in our property, in our incomes, in our comings and goings. The harder we work, the more tribute we have to pay, for the elite are determined that never again will the middle class challenge them, and never again will we be able to save money and so rise to power, and never again will we protest the slavery they have planned for us.

But many of us still dare to protest, and will continue to do so while God gives us breath. To be effective we know we must direct our attacks on the real criminals, the wealthy and powerful and secret elite of all the world -- the conspirators laboring night and day to enslave us. Even our own government is now their victim, for it is the conspiratorial elite who choose our rulers, nominate them, and remove them by assassination or smear.

I have fought these enemies of liberty in every book I have written. But too few have listened to me, as too few have listened to others who have warned of these conspirators. The hour is late. Americans must soon listen and act -- or endure the black night of slavery that is worse than death.


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Secret Homeowner's Patio Tax To Hammer UK Middle Class
« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2009, 09:20:02 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202173/Secret-Labour-tax-having-patio--Millions-homes-assessed-council-charge-hammers-middle-classes.html#ixzz0MOpn9wRN

Shocking new details of a stealth tax of up to £600 for householders with views of any kind, patios, conservatories and even a nearby bus stop are revealed for the first time today.

Documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show millions of homes have already been secretly assessed by Labour in preparation for council tax hikes expected to target the middle class after the Election.

Homes have been given 'value significant codes' which will make virtually every desirable feature taxable.

Although not every home has been assessed, so far nearly 100,000 householders face being penalised simply for having a scenic view from their windows.

Even those who have a mere glimpse of a river, hill or park - or any other pleasing outlook - stand to pay more under a special category for 'partial scenic views'.

Worst hit among the 11 types of view are likely to be the 26,346 assessed so far as enjoying a full sea view and the 21,709 who overlook a golf course or farmland.

People with garages, conservatories and patios - and even parking spaces - are also in the firing line.

While the list is by no means complete, the figures indicate the chilling detail with which the inspectors are examining Britain's homes.

The documents also reveal the sheer pettiness of the new rules. Balconies are divided into those up to three square metres, three to five square metres and so on. The 'Conservatories' category even covers lean-tos and differentiates between single and double-glazed.

The Valuation Office Agency, which is compiling the massive database of every home in England, has divided the three-quarters of a million people with conservatories into four groups.

The 115,610 with double-glazed conservatories will be hit harder than the 43,821 with single glazing.

People with patios could be in for a shock. A total of 4,932 homes have been registered as having 'value significant' patios - Whitehall jargon for big ones, perhaps with built-in barbecues. There are likely to be tens of thousands more.

Others who enjoy living in a peaceful area will soon have to pay for the privilege. A total of 38,081 homes have so far been given the coding of TQ, which tells council tax chiefs that they live in a quiet street or cul-de-sac.

The UP code for those with good access to public transport, such as those living near a bus stop, may find their council tax goes in the same direction - up.

Some of the details released by the VOA resemble a manual for taxing rich householders till the pips squeak.

About 13,000 homes with pools are listed, with separate categories for indoor and outdoor; as are 1,731 equestrian paddocks; 4,933 stables; 2,863 tennis courts; and 2,268 penthouses.

The system gives all 23million homes in England one of about 100 'dwelling-house codes' for each type, from modest council flats up to mansions. It takes account of architectural styles: brick, thatch or stone fascias, sash windows, age periods and size.

If and when the revaluation takes place, tax will be calculated through a vast and complex formula which uses these codings.

Householders with one or a number of the features could see their council tax band move up by one or possibly two levels.

Moving up from Band D to Band E could mean a rise of around £300. Moving up to Band F could result in a £600 increase.

Other categories - such as having a cesspit, no street lighting or living near a radio mast or pylon - could lead to reduced bills.

Shadow Local Government Secretary Caroline Spelman said: 'Gordon Brown's council tax inspectors have been caught red-handed preparing the way for massive tax rises on middle England after the Election, to fill the black hole in Britain's ruined public finances. There is now cast-iron proof of a council tax revaluation by stealth.

'Only Labour would think of taxing people for looking out of their own windows. Conservatives will scrap these tax-raising plans and abolish tax inspectors' rights of entry into your home.'

The Government has spent a staggering £13million on the VOA's scheme to build the new database.

Ministers have secretly renewed a multi-million-pound deal between the VOA and leading property website Rightmove to access sale prices and floorplans for tens of thousands of homes. The Treasury refused to say how much information the VOA received from Rightmove, whose website has a databank comprising 400million pages of information.

In addition, the Government has spent £3.7million on a US computer system that can pinpoint households on a map and list information gleaned from house-to-house inspections.



The VOA, run by HM Revenue & Customs, has 85 offices and 4,300 staff. Inspectors have stored digital images of more than 1.6million properties and are collecting details on millions more.

It has also tapped into a wide range of other sources. All planning applications, stamp duty and Land Registry records are supplied to the VOA. Inspectors scrutinise Ordnance Survey maps for details and use Google Earth, aerial and satellite images where homes cannot be seen from the road. They also have the right to visit homes to check details.

It is believed the VOA has assessed half of all the homes in Britain.

In 2005, Ministers shelved plans to revalue property, originally set for 2007, over fears of a backlash from voters who could face massive council tax rises.

However, they have not ruled out going ahead with the revaluation if Labour wins the Election.

Current council tax bills are based on assessments done in 1991, many on a 'drive-by' basis by estate agents.

The VOA defended the database, saying: 'It is important information about property is as accurate as possible.'

Window taxes and similar attempts to make people pay for household features have long caused controversy.

In 1696, a tax on windows was introduced to replace the Hearth Tax based on the number of fireplaces in a property, which was abolished because people resented inspectors snooping in their homes.

The Window Tax was assessed from outside, making it cheaper to levy. But people avoided it by blocking up windows, and it was abolished in 1851.


Detailed: The complex algebraic formula being used to assess council tax bandings



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Re: Secret Homeowner's Patio Tax To Hammer UK Middle Class
« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2009, 09:23:56 PM »
I remember AJ talkin' about the upcoming war on the middle class a couple years back.
crazy to see it go down now.

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Despite Obama's promises, Geithner cannot deny new taxes on middle class
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2009, 03:55:45 PM »
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/08/geithner-wont-rule-out-new-taxes-for-middle-class.html

To get the economy back on track, will President Barack Obama have to break his pledge not to raise taxes on 95 percent of Americans? In a “This Week” exclusive, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told me, “We’re going to have to do what’s necessary.”


Geithner was clear that he believes a key component of economic recovery is deficit reduction. When I gave him several opportunities to rule out a middle class tax hike, he wouldn’t do it.

“We have to bring these deficits down very dramatically,” Geithner told me. “And that’s going to require some very hard choices.”

“We will not get this economy back on track, recovery will be not strong and sustained, unless we convince the American people that we are going to have the will to bring these deficits down once recovery is firmly established,” he said.

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My comment: I must say: after appointing lobbyists, going back on the Iraq deadline and refusing to prosecute torturers, I wasn't expecting much from the Obama administration. He was bound to break another promise. I'm just wondering why the Obama Channel is broadcasting this news about the great dictator, and I'm also wondering how the Obamadroids are going to react. I hope they don't have a breakdown.

Now, let's talk about the hypocrisy of Obama here. He promises that 95% of all Americans would receive tax cuts, despite the massive deficit and the massive new budget and bailout bills being introduced. Despite the blatant fact that he was not going to be able to keep this promise, the liberal talking heads on MSNBC continued to talk about how Obama was cutting taxes for 95% of people. Now, it is becoming clear that Obama has broken this promise, as well as every other major promise he made. However, I do not expect Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann to expose this. I also do not expect BBC or Sky News to expose this. Despite Obama's approval rating falling faster than Jimmy Carter's -- now, lower than 50% -- the international media continues to treat him like the 2nd coming of Jesus.

If I was Obama right now, I'd resign, and offer to imprison myself for life. He has looted the country, and will go down the same path as his predessor, Bush. He will be booed wherever he goes in public. Meanwhile, the international bankers -- who actually performed this looting -- will be largely ignored. Or.. maybe not. The Federal Reserve is on the verge of being audited, thanks to Ron Paul and over 60% of the House of Representatives. The empire is coming to an end! We should also be sure to reject anything put out by the United Nations, including a new bank of the world -- which they are planning.

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Re: Despite Obama's promises, Geithner cannot deny new taxes on middle class
« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2009, 04:42:19 PM »
So Geithner's plan is to basically give trillions to banks and then cut deficits by taxing the middle class. Bank get money you get screwed. Thanks Timmy.
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KGB running psyops now? Hey KGB, it is the queens not the middle class americans
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2009, 11:28:52 AM »
"Post-American world is a much richer world"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0dZRKSdvm8

Although the US still has economic and political dominance in the world, its gradually ceding its position to other countries, says Indian-American journalist and author Fareed Rafiq Zakaria.

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http://russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-09-14/russia-celebrates-half-century.html

“Post-American world is a much richer world”
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Although the US still has economic and political dominance in the world, it’s gradually ceding its position to other countries, says Ind ian-American journalist and author Fareed Rafiq Zakaria.
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“The post-American world is a world that is moving away from total American dominance. But it is not moving towards multi-polarity because you still have a situation where the United States is significantly more powerful than any other country in the world,” Zakaria told RT.

“You still have a world in which the United States remains the single superpower – but economic growth, industrial might, financial power, even cultural power are all shifting… What we are moving to is a world where power is more shared and there are more centers of power,” he concluded.

http://russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-09-14/post-american-world-zakaria.html

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Re: "Post-American world is a much richer world" RussiaToday
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2009, 11:31:11 AM »
So that the elite has no counterbalance to interfere with their influence?
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Re: "Post-American world is a much richer world" RussiaToday
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2009, 11:35:31 AM »
Well, tell RT that they can thank their own country's intelligence agency for helping he elite figure out how to demoralize our country.

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Re: "Post-American world is a much richer world" RussiaToday
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2009, 11:42:38 AM »
RussiaToday

Is Russian Propaganda

This is like quoting MSNBC
you can do anything you want
think anything you like
but you cant change human nature

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Re: "Post-American world is a much richer world" RussiaToday
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2009, 11:43:40 AM »
RussiaToday

Is Russian Propaganda

This is like quoting MSNBC

Only MSNBC is a bit more 'radical' :)
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US secret deals with Goldman Sachs and Warren Buffett to destroy middle class
« Reply #71 on: September 30, 2009, 04:11:04 PM »
US secretly tried to make deal with Goldman Sachs in wake of financial crisis
http://rawstory.com/2009/09/us-secretly-tried-to-make-deals-with-goldman-sachs/
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Wednesday, September 30th, 2009 -- 9:11 am


Warren Buffett balked at conflict of interest

BREAKING 10:08 AM ET:Vanity Fair will report in the next issue of the magazine that US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson -- a former head of the investment bank Goldman Sachs -- tried to orchestrate secretive deals in the midst of the financial crisis but got blowback from prominent investor Warren Buffett. The following press release was obtained by Raw Story; the magazine appears today on newsstands in New York and Los Angeles.

NEW YORK, N.Y.—The government secretly tried to orchestrate a deal involving Goldman Sachs in the week following Lehman Brothers’ collapse and considered using the Federal Reserve to help support such a transaction, Andrew Ross Sorkin reports in the new issue of Vanity Fair.

In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, Too Big To Fail: The Inside Story of How Wall Street and Washington Fought to Save the Financial System—and Themselves, Sorkin reports that the deal, which was nearly consummated, would have merged Goldman Sachs and Wachovia. Henry M. Paulson, the Treasury secretary and former C.E.O. of Goldman, was deeply involved in the process, contacting both Lloyd Blankfein, Goldman's current C.E.O., and a Wachovia board member, and strongly urged both to consider it. Wachovia’s C.E.O., Robert Steel, was a former vice-chairman at Goldman Sachs and Paulson’s former number two at the Treasury Department.

Sorkin reports that Warren Buffett was also contacted about investing in the merged company, but told a banker at Goldman that it would never happen. “By tonight the government will realize they can’t provide capital to a deal that’s being done by the former firm of the Treasury secretary with the company of a former vice-chairman of Goldman Sachs and former deputy Treasury secretary,” Buffett said. “There is no way. They’ll all wake up and realize, even if it was the best deal in the world, they can’t do it.”

Jim Wilkinson, Paulson’s chief of staff, realized that such a deal would be a public-relations nightmare at the worst possible time—just as they were trying to pass TARP. “Hank, if you do this, you’ll get killed,” Wilkinson frantically told his boss. “It would be f**king crazy.” Paulson, he said, would lose credibility; he would be accused of lining the pockets of his friends at Goldman; the “Government Sachs” conspiracy theories would flourish.

Rodgin Cohen, a Sullivan & Cromwell lawyer who was advising both Wachovia, on parallel talks with Morgan Stanley, and Goldman Sachs, on its bank-holding-company application, was the first to suggest that the government attempt a shotgun wedding between Goldman and Wachovia, Sorkin reports. He offered up the idea in a phone call to Kevin Warsh, a governor at the Fed, saying that it wasn’t an officially sanctioned plan by his clients, just a friendly suggestion from an old-timer in the business. He said he knew it was a long shot—the “optics,” he acknowledged, would be problematic, given that Paulson and Wachovia C.E.O. Robert Steel were both former Goldman men—but it would solve everyone’s problems: Goldman would get the deposit base it needed, and Wachovia would have its death sentence stayed.

According to Sorkin, Goldman co-president Gary Cohn had agreed to engage in talks with Wachovia only on the presumption that the Fed would help Goldman guarantee some of Wachovia’s most toxic assets. And Warsh, in a bold gesture, made a commitment that the Fed would strongly consider it. Paulson spoke with Blankfein and told him to take the talks seriously. “If you go into this looking for all the problems and how much help you’re going to get, it’s never going to happen,” he said, adding, “You’re in trouble, and I can’t help you.”

Much to their dismay, Cohn and Steel spent 24 hours working on a deal that they thought was near closure—and had the support of the Fed—but which ultimately died after Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner decided against pursuing it, in part, because of the “optics” of Goldman's ties to the government. “I’m sorry. I understand—I’m just as frustrated as you are. We just don’t have the money; we don’t have the authorization,” Warsh explained.

At the same time, Sorkin reports, the Federal Reserve also tried to push Goldman Sachs and Citigroup together, but Vikram Pandit, Citi's C.E.O., rejected the idea. “Well, that was embarrassing,” Blankfein exclaimed after he got off of one phone call with Pandit.

Meanwhile, the government demanded Morgan Stanley merge with J. P. Morgan, an idea that both John Mack, Morgan Stanley’s C.E.O., and Jamie Dimon, J. P. Morgan’s C.E.O., did not want to pursue, but both held brief talks at the government’s urging.

Paulson, Bernanke, and Geithner told Mack that he should be willing to sell his firm to J. P. Morgan for $1 a share. Mack, in an impassioned phone call with the three government leaders, rejected their demand: “There are 35,000 jobs that have been lost in this city between A.I.G., Lehman, Bear Stearns, and just layoffs. And you’re telling me that the right thing to do is to take 45,000 to 50,000 people, and put them in play, and have 20,000 jobs disappear? I don’t see how that’s good public policy.”

The November issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and Los Angeles on September 30 and nationally on October 6.
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They are going to tax us out of existence.
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No, we are going to lock them up and try them for crimes against humanity before they have a chance to do their VAT and DEATHCARE.
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What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010?
« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2010, 06:40:43 PM »
I thought this was a great article on how the Middle Class had been systematically destroyed in the US.  It has a lot of great data all in one place.

I didn't include the graphs from this article because there are so may of them.  You can follow the link to the original article if you'd like to view the graphs.



http://www.mybudget360.com/middle-class-2010-banks-health-care-wall-street-debt/

What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010? – No College Degree, Massive Amounts of Debt, One Health Crisis from Bankruptcy, and Beholden to the Banking Elite.

Being middle class today does not carry the financial security that it once carried in the 1950s and 1960s.  Interestingly enough, many Americans at that time did not own stocks yet somehow they managed well because they had access to affordable housing without toxic mortgages and many had the ability to work with one company and have some kind of security from their company.  It was a mutual relationship as even Henry Ford shook the auto manufacturing world by upping wages for his workers.  Yet today, we are being fed distorted information from Wall Street that we need to have this system where workers are disposable entities only to increase the profits of the corporate class.  If people are hurting so much why are we paying billions in bonuses to a small group of people that really haven’t helped the country?  In fact, many of these are directly responsible for our current economic problems.  At the root, this has been the cancer that has eaten away at what it means to be middle class.  Social government welfare for Wall Street and Darwinian capitalism for the rest of us.

The middle class has it extremely tough today not because of random events but purposeful and directed robbery from Wall Street.  This was a methodical and planned dismantling of the system.  First, let us walk through some details of the middle class to create a profile:

The most common household formation in the U.S. is a married couple.  Certainly this has changed over time but this is the most common arrangement in the U.S.  But this has also led to the two-income trap that we have heard about so often:

Even though nominal wages are much higher today, inflation has eroded the buying power of Americans so much that even two incomes today cannot compete with one income forty years ago.  After all, if you could buy a car with $200 then $1,000 would seem like a lot.  But what is a $50,000 household income when home prices cost $250,000?  This is really the essence of what has broken the middle class apart.  Prices rose to astronomical levels because Wall Street created speculative casino products and injected the virus into the system.  The middle class today is fearful of even having enough to retire.  But beyond even retiring, many people have very little saved:

Now Wall Street would lead you to believe that people should just pucker up and save more.  Bailouts are only for Wall Street folks yet average Americans need to resurrect the ghost of Horatio Alger and pull themselves up from their bootstraps or hope that a rich uncle leaves them a nice inheritance package.  Yet what they forget is that we have a large part of our population that don’t even qualify as middle class:

38,000,000 Americans are receiving some form of food assistance.  These people are living day to day so saving isn’t even in their equation.  They are just trying to get by.  These are the folks waiting at midnight at Wal-Mart waiting for their debit cards to reload just so they can buy food for their family.  Do you think they are interested in investing in the next hot stock?  Even as hard as it is to be middle class, poverty has been amplified in this recession:

10% of all U.S. families are in poverty.  Yet the rate is a bit higher if we actually go by food stamp data.  The average household size is 2.61 in the U.S. so many families are struggling with children as the above data reflects.  Yet you would expect the middle class to have a better chance at going forward but more and more middle class families are entering what is now being called the working poor.

Wall Street and the banking system is at the core of this mess.  They didn’t create poverty but they have amplified it by setting up a system that has now pushed millions of Americans into foreclosure.  Why all of a sudden did Americans start gambling with their homes only when Wall Street got involved?  They have created a new financial fiefdom where they can siphon off resources from the productive sector of the economy all from the comforts of their NY,NY offices.  Even the idea that all Americans own stocks is not exactly accurate:

The top 1 percent control 42 percent of all financial wealth in this country.  And wealth is the key here.  So what if you have a $500,000 home if you have a $600,000 mortgage.  You are not wealthy.  So what if you have a leased BMW but have $30,000 in credit card debt.  You are not wealthy.  This is what Wall Street sold to America in the disguise of wealth.  And people bought it up at the expense of the prudent.  But that veil is now gone.  And who has the wealth?  This is what happens when you make a pact with the financial devil.

We must educate ourselves in order to have any fighting chance to have a solid middle class:

The sad fact above is these stats come at a time when public education is falling by the wayside.  We’ve had some of the cheapest and best public universities the world has seen.  That era is coming to an end as banks run the student loan market and for profit education is charging ridiculous amounts of tuition that are crushing the middle class.  As of 2008 only 27 percent of Americans have a four year degree or higher.  Now how will this number increase in a time when educational costs are going up and wages are stagnant?  As long as you have a population that is unaware of what Wall Street is doing, they can keep doing their robbery in the open.

We also have an aging population:

That 65 and over category is going to explode in the next decade as baby boomers enter retirement.  Many were betting on housing appreciation and unrealistic stock market returns for a long and prosperous retirement.  Instead, Wall Street has taken the money and many will have to work well into their retirement years.  One illness can wreck their entire financial nest egg (if they have one).  The notion that middle class meant a secure retirement is now gone.  And with health care costs rising more and more money will go to this category.  Education and health care are cornerstones of what we consider middle class living and this sector is enormous in terms of employment:

21% work in education services, and health care and social assistance.  This number is likely to increase given demographic trends.  Yet who are we really serving if students go into $40,000, $60,000, and even $100,000 in debt for degrees that don’t provide them adequate training to survive in a corporatist economy?  The banks don’t mind because they can saddle a young person with a stream of income for multiple years and have the government pay the bill.  How about we take banks out of the equation and require people to pay a sizeable portion of their education?  Ironically, this would lower costs.  It doesn’t have to all be upfront but allowing the current system to go on is criminal.  If you want proof look at the housing market.  Now that people have to document some income housing prices have collapsed.  The for profit schools only require 10% of funds to come from the students and then the government matches 90%.  In reality, these schools take that 10% on a credit card so this is really a zero down education.

The story of Wall Street is the story of putting Americans into debt.  If you really want to know where the middle class went you can look at the absurd amounts of debt.  And this idea that everyone is rich is pure propaganda:

Only 34% of U.S. households make more than $65,000 per year.  And that number is now much lower since this is based on 2008 data.  When we look at luxury auto sales they do not reflect the actual wealth in our country.  Much of it is pure debt financing.  All hat and no cattle as they say in Texas.

And we can see inflation eating away at purchasing power:

Just look at 1950.  The median household income could purchase the median home with twice their annual income.  In 2006 it required 4 times that income.  Even in 1980, the median household income could buy 3 cars with that salary.  Today, it is more like two.  And this is even more distorted because we have more two income households.

So the middle class is really facing a struggle in 2010.  But this just didn’t happen.  This was a forty year systematic robbery of the compact Americans had with government and the business community.  Where we go from here really depends on how much people value the middle class and coalesce to bring Wall Street in check.  So far things aren’t looking good.
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Re: What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010?
« Reply #76 on: April 06, 2010, 09:33:01 PM »
Yeah they want everybody either dependent on the government or having to work so much they don't have the time or energy to fight against the people who are screwing them over.
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Re: What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010?
« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2010, 09:36:36 PM »
STILL ENUFF DEBT AROUNT TO RAMP THE MARKET UP HARD AND FOR EVERYONE TO BUY THE LATEST UNNEEDED APPLE TOY
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Re: What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010?
« Reply #78 on: April 06, 2010, 09:36:52 PM »
I don't think most people realize just how much the Middle Class has lost over the last 30-40 years.  

If we lose much more, there won't be a Middle Class - just rich and poor.  
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Re: What does it mean to be Middle Class in 2010?
« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2010, 09:41:04 PM »
STILL ENUFF DEBT AROUNT TO RAMP THE MARKET UP HARD AND FOR EVERYONE TO BUY THE LATEST UNNEEDED APPLE TOY

LOL yeah, I saw all the Mac-tards getting all in a froth over the new iPad.  They don't even know want to use it for, but they want it anyway.

On one chat during a live review of it I mentioned that it looks like it's just an expensive toy.  One Mac-tard said that if I think it's expensive, then I must be a poor college student or I deliver pizza.  What a great attitude.  The thing is $500-900 dollars, depending on configuration.  I would think most people would feel that's a bit much to pay for something that's basically a toy.
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