Forum Member Gullibility Test: Is Paul McCartney Dead?

[H0llyw00d]

Sir Paul is live on b00btube in 10 mins......make sure to switch to high def to diagnose for plasticity issues

http://www.youtube.com/bornhivfree?feature=ticker

[H0llyw00d]

opening with "Jet"....niccccce

[walrus]

SIR Paul is exactly right.

Jaw Line



“The mandibular curve between the two sets of photos showed a discrepancy of over 6 percent, well beyond the threshold of error. But there was more. Changed the development of the mandibular profile: before 1966 each side of the jaw is composed of two curves Net, since 1967 appears to be a single curve. There is therefore a curve morphological different.”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db

[machine translation Italian > English]

[H0llyw00d]

SIR Paul is exactly right.

Jaw Line



“The mandibular curve between the two sets of photos showed a discrepancy of over 6 percent, well beyond the threshold of error. But there was more. Changed the development of the mandibular profile: before 1966 each side of the jaw is composed of two curves Net, since 1967 appears to be a single curve. There is therefore a curve morphological different.”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db

[machine translation Italian > English]

same guy...nothing to see here people, move along

awesome show, albeit for a BS man-made cause (aids)...still brilliant performance!!!

[walrus]

Um, yeah, it's definitely not the same person as the real Paul before he was replaCIAed in Aug-Sept 1966.

Lip differences



"Compared to the previous picture, that of Sgt Pepper's show clearly that the commessura lip, that is the line formed by the lips of the two, it was suddenly stretched. Which obviously is not possible and that the whiskers cannot camouflage. In other words, the phenomenon is all too frequent these days, the lips can be inflated and increased in volume, but the width of the lip commessura cannot vary that much. May be slight, but this is not the case for the photos examined: here the difference between the before and after is too strong to have been caused by any surgery.”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db

[H0llyw00d]

Um, yeah, it's definitely not the same person as the real Paul before he was replaCIAed in Aug-Sept 1966.

Lip differences



"Compared to the previous picture, that of Sgt Pepper's show clearly that the commessura lip, that is the line formed by the lips of the two, it was suddenly stretched. Which obviously is not possible and that the whiskers cannot camouflage. In other words, the phenomenon is all too frequent these days, the lips can be inflated and increased in volume, but the width of the lip commessura cannot vary that much. May be slight, but this is not the case for the photos examined: here the difference between the before and after is too strong to have been caused by any surgery.”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db

STILL the same person...
STILL nothing to see here folks, move along....
so sorry u can't accept meta physical changes as a body ages...


Still a kick ass live web performance from ex beatle, Paul....(was fond of Jet and Blackbird, great versions!!)

[walrus]

Definitely not the same person.

There IS something to see here, Folks. People are impostor-replaCIAed right under your very noses. Are you going to catch on?



“[A]lways under the mustache of the McCartney Sgt Pepper's, maybe it was trying to hide something else: what the experts call it the nasal spine. This is the point between the two nostrils where the nose begins to [protrude from] the face: ‘This is also in this case a distinctive feature that medicine cannot alter surgery. It can change the shape of the nose but not the nose-cord,’ says Gabriella Carlesi. ‘And McCartney from the first group of photos and the second point that clearly varies’”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db

[H0llyw00d]

comparing a 25 yo to a 70 yo......like i said, metaphysical changes are astounding.....dare i post pics of me on stage thru the years???....you'd swear I'm not me

[walrus]

“Technically called [tragus]. All we have two, one by ear, but the characteristics are different for every human being. ‘In Germany, a recognition procedure craniometric, identification of the right ear is even tantamount to fingerprint, ie the collection of fingerprints,’ recalls Carlesi. But what is [tragus]? It is the small cartilage covered with skin that overhangs the entrance to the ear and ear canal, like the whole ear, cannot be changed surgically. How then to explain the differences between the right ear of Paul McCartney in a previous snapshot to 1966 and probably a [prosthetic ear] the late nineties? It is not only to betray trago a different conformation as well as other parts, just above the ear canal entrance, measurements and dell'antelice propeller. Things that ordinary mortals might seem irrelevant or unclear, but instead, every day, allowing the experts to locate and identify persons, bodies, photographs.”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db



More of Faul's False Ears

[H0llyw00d]

lol...give ya an "A" fer effort young skywalker......sorry but even my ears have went from young and pert to hairy and hangin"......dohhhhhh
please don't make me post pics of me during the "muzak biz" years....its humiliating

[walrus]

“There are impossible things and things that are possible but at the cost of operations long, painful and never perfect. Especially if done in the sixties. Now, careful examination of some pictures of McCartney before and after the 1966 autumn leaves, it must be said, in amazement: ‘First of all there is right upper canine,’ observes Carlesi Gabriella. ‘In the photos prior to 1966 is known as protruding relative to the line of teeth. It's the classic case of a tooth that lack of space it ends up misaligned, pushed out by the pressure of other teeth. It is curious that the same canines in the photos from 1967 forward, but without ever protruding apparent reason: the images show that the space would have to be aligned with the neighboring teeth. It's like if you wanted to recreate is a detail in a mouth where such an anomaly would have never been able to express.’

"The real crux of the reasoning of dental identification suggested by Gabriella Carlesi covers the whole palate of McCartney that before 1966, appears close to the point of justifying various misalignments of the teeth, although in less obvious forms of upper right canine. After the publication of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, however, the palate of McCartney widens considerably, to the point that the front teeth do not rotate on the axis more as before. With the only on, than the usual canine. ‘A change of the shape of the palate, Carlesi concludes, 'in the Sixties was not impossible but would be very traumatic, the result of an actual intervention maxillo-facial. In practice McCartney should have been subjected to an operation that would involve the opening of the suture palate, broken bone and then a long prosthetic and orthodontic treatment. In other words, for a change so sensitive in the sixties to McCartney would be required not only a particularly painful and bloody, but also the use of a fixed orthodontic multiband then, for over a year. Which would not have been possible to hide and would be obvious repercussions on the performance of a vocal professional singer.’”

Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db

[Shroom!]

As much as I would like to believe this particular conspiracy, there is one HUGE thing that shows it's not true. Compare the eyes of Paul & Faul. Paul's left eye sits slightly lower on his face than his right. Same thing with Faul. So... either they got really lucky and found a guy that not only resembled him but had one eye lower than the other too, or they operated on Faul to move his eye - that doesn't sound feasable, they would have had to move his eye socket, pretty intense and tricky operation.

[walrus]

It is not possible to change the length and width of an adult’s head.

See: Charles Recknagel, “Iraq: Seeing Double In Baghdad -- Saddam Uses Look-Alikes To Disguise His Whereabouts,” Radio Free Europe, October 09, 2002, http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1101033.html; Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, Ask Who Was the "Beatle," July 15, 2009, http://tinyurl.com/mw83db.

[H0llyw00d]

It is not possible to change the length and width of an adult’s head.

obviously it is....never mind, i see your blind

[walrus]

As much as I would like to believe this particular conspiracy,

That is interesting that you would like to believe PID. Why is that? Do you intuit that something is wrong?

Compare the eyes of Paul & Faul. Paul's left eye sits slightly lower on his face than his right. Same thing with Faul.

Would it matter to you that "Paul's" eyes suddenly went from brown to green in 1967?





Don't it make Paul's brown eyes *green*

So... either they got really lucky and found a guy that not only resembled him but had one eye lower than the other too, or they operated on Faul to move his eye - that doesn't sound feasable, they would have had to move his eye socket, pretty intense and tricky operation.

So, I guess you believe that Paul had a series of painful surgeries to change the shape of his jaw and palate?

The truth is Faul is probably one of the worst doubles in the history of impostors. He got caught out pretty quickly. In 1969, many people were talking about PID. It was only with the help of the controlled media that they were able to keep a lid on it.

LIFE proved Faul was "still with us"

If Faul had been a good double, we wouldn't even be discussing PID. No one would suspect anything, and he would go on his merry way never having to answer awkward questions about PID that have never and will never go away until he is finally exposed.

[Shroom!]

That is interesting that you would like to believe PID. Why is that? Do you intuit that something is wrong?
Would it matter to you that "Paul's" eyes suddenly went from brown to green in 1967?

By that I meant it's a very interesting thinkpiece. I certainly think "they" could do this kind of thing if they wanted and while some of the photos are suspicious, they aren't quite suspicious enough to convince me. I'm willing to look at more though.

So, I guess you believe that Paul had a series of painful surgeries to change the shape of his jaw and palate?

The truth is Faul is probably one of the worst doubles in the history of impostors. He got caught out pretty quickly. In 1969, many people were talking about PID. It was only with the help of the controlled media that they were able to keep a lid on it.


If Faul had been a good double, we wouldn't even be discussing PID. No one would suspect anything, and he would go on his merry way never having to answer awkward questions about PID that have never and will never go away until he is finally exposed.

The jaw surgery seems possible but the moving of the eye socket... that just seems too far out for the time. I am on the fence with this one; I'll need to read up on it more if I'm to make my mind up.

[walrus]

It is not possible to change the length and width of an adult’s head.

obviously it is....never mind, i see your blind

Well, that was just according to the forensic scientists. I guess you know better than forensics experts, though. lol

BTW, being rude towards me isn't going to make me stop posting about PID. I've had my career threatened by paid disinfo agents (PIAgents). If that isn't going to make me stop, then a few lame insults flung my way certainly isn't going to do it. Really, all it does is detract from your credibility in the eyes of the other forum members. Rather than posting evidence to support your argument, you desperately resort to lame insults. Of course, it's clear why. You have no evidence to support your claim that Faul is Paul. All you have to support your position is Faul's claim to being Paul, plus the media telling you he's Paul. I really hope that you don't believe everything the media tells you.

Now, who is blind? If you look at these pictures, the wool that's been pulled over your eyes will probably trick you into seeing them as the same man:



If you look at them upside down, however, you may be able to break your mental conditioning.



Maybe you will notice that Faul's nose is noticeably longer?

[Shroom!]

I have to admit, the nose does look dodgy in that one.   The nostrils appear to be a different shape too...

[H0llyw00d]

Well, that was just according to the forensic scientists. I guess you know better than forensics experts, though. lol

according to your scientists.....guess i do.....this is so comical....paul is paul dude...

[H0llyw00d]

I have to admit, the nose does look dodgy in that one.  The nostrils appear to be a different shape too...

age, lifestyle, photoshop

[walrus]

By that I meant it's a very interesting thinkpiece. I certainly think "they" could do this kind of thing if they wanted and while some of the photos are suspicious, they aren't quite suspicious enough to convince me. I'm willing to look at more though.

Well, that is at least something if you realize that someone could be impostor-replaced. It is easier to see that it has been done if you know it could be done.

The jaw surgery seems possible but the moving of the eye socket... that just seems too far out for the time. I am on the fence with this one; I'll need to read up on it more if I'm to make my mind up.

Really? You think the jaw surgery was possible? When did Paul do this in 1966-1967? He would have needed a series of surgeries that would have involved breaking the suture palate, breaking the bone,  inserting a prosthetic implant, and then following up with orthodontic treatment. He would have had to have worn braces for a year. Has anyone seen Paul or Faul wear braces? Would a singer have broken his face to change the shape of his jaw? He obviously wouldn't have been able to sing for quite a while. During this facial reconstruction. Why would the "cute Beatle" subjected himself to such a painful and traumatic surgery?

[Shroom!]

age, lifestyle, photoshop

Heheh, I was actually just about to edit my post and add this: Could any of these have been shopped?

[walrus]

I have to admit, the nose does look dodgy in that one.   The nostrils appear to be a different shape too...

[Shroom!]

Well, that is at least something if you realize that someone could be impostor-replaced. It is easier to see that it has been done if you know it could be done.
Really? You think the jaw surgery was possible? When did Paul do this in 1966-1967? He would have needed a series of surgeries that would have involved breaking the suture palate, breaking the bone,  inserting a prosthetic implant, and then following up with orthodontic treatment. He would have had to have worn braces for a year. Has anyone seen Paul or Faul wear braces? Would a singer have broken his face to change the shape of his jaw? He obviously wouldn't have been able to sing for quite a while. During this facial reconstruction. Why would the "cute Beatle" subjected himself to such a painful and traumatic surgery?

I actually meant that it might be possible that Faul had the jaw surgery, not Paul...

[walrus]

according to your scientists.....guess i do.....this is so comical....paul is paul dude...

That is rather presumptuous to think that you know more about forensics than recognized forensics experts. I doubt any of your co-forum members here will actually believe that.

Paul was Paul and Faul is Faul, dude.

[walrus]

Heheh, I was actually just about to edit my post and add this: Could any of these have been shopped?

There have been quite a few examples of photos of both Paul and Faul that have been tampered with. The forensics experts, and I agree, that photos of them were doctored immediately after the switch occurred. PIAgents have even admitted to doctoring photos. It is just part of the cover-up. Putting doctored photos out there is meant to confuse the issue - blurring the differences between the two.

Many times, the photos are stretched or compressed, depending. Here is one of Paul stretched:



Compare that to a screen cap of Paul from Aug 19, 1966 - Memphis.



Another stretch job:



Faul's head has sometimes been made a little rounder (also spotted by the Italian forensic scientists):





Faulsifying evidence: photo-tampering & illusion creation

More to come...

[Kilgore Trout]

This one , the noses look totally different to me...

[walrus]

I actually meant that it might be possible that Faul had the jaw surgery, not Paul...

Well, I certainly do apologize for any misunderstanding.

Please do me the courtesy of expounding on why you think Faul had the jaw surgery. It had been my impression that the difference in jawline and palate had been due to the fact that Faul's face differs from Paul's.

It is, of course, a fact that doubles sometimes undergo plastic surgery to improve their likeness to their target.

[H0llyw00d]

have fun with this one fella's....gonna do what i do w/ the religious threads....AVOID IT!!!

gotta robotic Brian Epstein for sale here if anybody wants....

[walrus]

This one , the noses look totally different to me...

Yes, Paul's nose was slightly upturned, with just a little roundness to the tip. Faul tried to recreate this. If you look closely, you will see that the nose tip is a different color from the rest of the skin. It looks almost like he's wearing a dark foundation just on his nose tip.

[Shroom!]

Well, I certainly do apologize for any misunderstanding.

Please do me the courtesy of expounding on why you think Faul had the jaw surgery. It had been my impression that the difference in jawline and palate had been due to the fact that Faul's face differs from Paul's.

It is, of course, a fact that doubles sometimes undergo plastic surgery to improve their likeness to their target.

Maybe I misunderstood something but I thought that (assuming the conspiracy is true) maybe Faul had the jaw surgery to make him look more like Paul. Although thinking about it now, that doesn't make much sense, since the jawlines do appear to be different in some photos. I'm still not convinced but keep it coming, it's good stuff regardless

[Kilgore Trout]

To me this is a great topic , I love the beatles and walrus has a damn sharp way of thinking , nothing wrong with that.

[walrus]

have fun with this one fella's....gonna do what i do w/ the religious threads....AVOID IT!!!

Yes, it's much better to avoid unpleasant truths than to face facts.

Back to Faulsified photos... here is a recycled one of Paul with a mustache air-brushed on:



Why would they do this, you might ask? Well, if Paul was gone by 1967, then there wouldn't be any new pictures of him. At this point, Faul was wearing a mustache as both a visual distractor and as a way to conceal his hanging nasal spine and wider mouth. They changed a few details in the photo to make it not so obvious it was recycled, and voila - you have a "new" photo of Paul.

[Shroom!]

OK, that is a really shoddy fake 'tache there 

[phreekshow]

OK I have a question?

Why??

[walrus]

Maybe I misunderstood something but I thought that (assuming the conspiracy is true) maybe Faul had the jaw surgery to make him look more like Paul. Although thinking about it now, that doesn't make much sense, since the jawlines do appear to be different in some photos.

That is not an outlandish concept. Apparently, one of Uday Hussein's doubles, Abdul-Latif, ran away b/c he was tired of having to undergo painful surgeries.

See: Charles Recknagel, “Iraq: Seeing Double In Baghdad -- Saddam Uses Look-Alikes To Disguise His Whereabouts,” Radio Free Europe, October 09, 2002, http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1101033.html

Some scarring has been seen around Faul's mouth, so it is possible that he underwent some plastic surgery to look more like Paul. The surgery the scientists were talking about seems rather extreme, though. If a double needed such extreme surgery, then maybe they would do better to find a better double...?

Plastic People: Doubles, impostors, & plastic surgery

[walrus]

OK I have a question?

Why??

There are various reasons for why a person might be impostor-replaced. A powerful, popular, &/or influential person might be replaced so that that person's influence can be exploited to promote a particular agenda. For ex, a politician or leader might be replaced with a stooge double to instigate a coup (fictional scenario of Man in the Iron Mask) or solidify certain officials' power behind the puppet (Kim Jong Il, perhaps).

In the case of Paul, some of us believe that he was not a team player/wouldn't get with the program. Perhaps he was unwilling to "sell" the psycho-chemical warfare agent, LSD, to his fans. Not long after Faul was installed as a Featle, he spoke publicly about using LSD (June 1967). Of course, this had a huge influence on many people's decision about whether to try it or not. George Harrison even admitted that the "whole world went crazy" after Faul's famous interview w/ ITN.

Agents for change: Beatles, LSD, & social-engineering

Another strike against Paul was that he spoke out agains the Vietnam War (see the Memphis interview - Aug. 19, 1966). This was at a time when TPTB were looking to expand the war machine. Considering the Beatles' huge audience,  TPTB may have been nervous that they would take a strong, serious anti-war position, and be leaders of the peace movement. That could have been disastrous.

Vladimir Lenin once said "the best way to control the opposition is to lead it." Yoko was almost assuredly a plant to derail the peace movement, considering her family's Elite Japanese banking background. [See Illuminati & the Beatles for more]. Her gimmicks of sitting in bags (for example) while discussing the serious topic of war just detracted from the credibility of the peace movement. JMO

[The_lizard]

I've been a long time believer, the only thing that hasn't been f**ked with are the original albums. There's just way too much evidence and really the double isn't a very good one. His part in his hair is on the wrong side of his head. He's right handed when Paul was left handed. He's taller, skinnier, his face is way thinner. The beatles never toured after 1966 so no one could pick him out in a crowd. I just made this on my heritage.



why not use modern facial recognition software?

[The_lizard]

I'm actually pretty sure that all those pictures of Paul McCartney have been stretched except for the latest one of course. they even stretch the video's. This is what Paul McCartney looked like.

[walrus]

I've been a long time believer, the only thing that hasn't been f**ked with are the original albums. There's just way too much evidence and really the double isn't a very good one.

No doubt Faul is written up in some OTS manual about what *not* to do when impersonating someone. lol

His part in his hair is on the wrong side of his head.

He's right handed when Paul was left handed.

Faul McCartney caught right-handed

He's taller

The bigger they are, the harder they Faul

The beatles never toured after 1966 so no one could pick him out in a crowd.

Not only that, but Faul went to live on a remote Scottish farm - way out of the public eye.

I just made this on my heritage.

Not a very high percentage of match for supposedly the same guy. IMO