Don't the the wrong idea that I was blowing out of proportion saying that this was blacklisted outright, it certainly appeared to be, but AFAIK, this has never been talked about in any forum other than some blogs years ago. I have managed to find other sources of this, since the original post--that did not come up initially.
Now this can be sourced when it is posted anywhere else:
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http://archive.cert.uni-stuttgart.de/isn/2006/07/msg00085.htmlBy Tom Sanders
at McAfee Avert Labs Day in Mountain View, CA,
vnunet.com
21 Jul 2006
Cyber crime fighting effort requires an Enron-like scandal to force the hand of legislators, the FBI argued today. Only after such an event could the necessary reforms be made to allow authorities to effectively battle online criminals, special agent Shna Boswell-Crowe with the Federal Bureau of Investigation said.
"My personal theory is that computer crime is kind of like white collar crime before Enron," Boswell-Crowe said during a presentation at the McAfee Avert Labs Day in Mountain View, California
"It hasn't necessarily gone boom. White collar crime used to be the bank [employee] who was sifting some money off, or some corporate guy who was going to get rich anyway."
"I don't think [cyber crime] has had its day. I there hasn't been something that's large enough that there's a large-scale awareness. Awareness is increasing, but have we had that large event that makes people think: 'This is really bad'?"
Boswell-Crowe complained that, while online crimes are committed within seconds, it takes large amounts of evidence to obtain a search warrant.
There also is no clear legislation that defines when adware is installed illegally. Unless law enforcement officers are able prove an intent to cause harm, botnot operators could easily get away with installing adware on computers in his control.
Consumers in the meantime are carrying the burden if they become the victim of keyloggers, because technically they have voluntarily given up their login and password information.
Boswell-Crowe however added that the agency is making progress in tracking down and prosecuting online criminals.
Early cases have mainly involved teenagers who were looking to make a quick buck, but forgot to properly clean up their tracks. Tracking down professional organised cyber criminals takes more time, but the FBI is building cases against such organised groups.
She declined further comment because the bureau does not discuss cases before they are brought before a judge.
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http://servidor.acis.org.co/pipermail/segurinfo/2006-July/000761.htmlFBI needs 'digital Enron' to fight cyber-crime
Major online scandal needed to create awareness
Tom Sanders at McAfee Avert Labs Day in Mountain View, CA, vnunet.com
21 Jul 2006
Fighting cyber-crime requires an Enron-like scandal to force the hand of legislators, the FBI argued today.
Only after such an event could the necessary reforms be made to allow authorities to effectively battle online criminals, according to FBI special agent Shéna Boswell-Crowe.
"My theory is that computer crime is kind of like white collar crime before Enron," Boswell-Crowe said during a presentation at the McAfee Avert Labs Day in Mountain View, California.
"White collar crime used to be the bank [employee] sifting some money off, or some corporate guy who was going to get rich anyway.
"I do not think that [cyber-crime] has had its day. There has not been something that's large enough to generate large-scale awareness. Awareness is increasing, but we have not had that large event that makes people think: 'This is really bad.'"
Boswell-Crowe complained that, while online crimes are committed within seconds, it still takes large amounts of evidence to obtain a search warrant.
There also is no clear legislation that defines when adware is installed illegally. Unless law enforcement officers are able prove an intent to cause harm, botnet operators can get away with installing adware on computers.
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Video:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/206656/617409FBI needs 'digital Enron' to fight cyber-crime
http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2160793/curbing-cyber-crime-requiresMajor online scandal needed to create awareness
Tom Sanders at McAfee Avert Labs Day in Mountain View, CA
vnunet.com, 21 Jul 2006
Fighting cyber-crime requires an Enron-like scandal to force the hand of legislators, the FBI argued today.
Only after such an event could the necessary reforms be made to allow authorities to effectively battle online criminals, according to FBI special agent Shéna Boswell-Crowe.
"My theory is that computer crime is kind of like white collar crime before Enron," Boswell-Crowe said during a presentation at the McAfee Avert Labs Day in Mountain View, California.
"White collar crime used to be the bank [employee] sifting some money off, or some corporate guy who was going to get rich anyway.
"I do not think that [cyber-crime] has had its day. There has not been something that's large enough to generate large-scale awareness. Awareness is increasing, but we have not had that large event that makes people think: 'This is really bad.'"
Boswell-Crowe complained that, while online crimes are committed within seconds, it still takes large amounts of evidence to obtain a search warrant.
There also is no clear legislation that defines when adware is installed illegally. Unless law enforcement officers are able prove an intent to cause harm, botnet operators can get away with installing adware on computers.
Consumers, in the meantime, are carrying the burden if they become the victim of key-loggers, because they have technically given up their log-in and password information voluntarily.
Boswell-Crowe claimed, however, that the FBI is making progress in tracking down and prosecuting online criminals.
Early cases have mainly involved teenagers looking to make a quick buck, but forgetting to clean up their tracks.
Tracking down professional organised cyber-criminals takes more time, but the FBI is building cases against such organised groups.
Boswell-Crowe declined further comment because the FBI does not discuss cases before they are brought before a judge.
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Why we need a "digital Enron" (video)The current state of computer insecurity obviously isn't enough of a problem.
Otherwise companies wouldn't leave laptops with confidential information behind in taxis, they wouldn't fail to encrypt confidential data when it's transmitted over the internet.
Governments in certain rice eating or vodka drinking countries wouldn't tolerate organised cyber crime rings to operate, and western governments would realise that police has a tough time battling crimes that are committed in mere seconds if it takes weeks to obtain a search warrant.
A "digital Enron" (a high profile crime that makes lots of victims) however could change all that, argued FBI special agent Shéna Boswell-Crowe at a McAfee event.
Below you can view excerpts of her presentation.
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http://techdirt.com/articles/20060721/0844232.shtmlWaiting For A Digital Disaster
from the no-silver-lining dept
There's no question that the current model of law enforcement isn't adequate to deal with cyber-crime, with all its complexity. While there are occasionally high-profile cases, it's a lot harder to patrol an area and prevent day-to-day crimes. At least one FBI agent believes the government won't make the sweeping changes necessary to fight cyber-crime until there's a "digital Enron", an event severe and shocking enough to force the government's hand.
It's true that the government tends to react to major events (Enron, 9/11, Katrina) to make changes instead of doing so proactively, and it's disturbing that such critical legislation tends to be made in a time of panic. Rushing Sarbanes-Oxley through, at a time when people were outraged over Enron, clearly had major unseen consequences. It's scary to think what the equivalent of a digital Sarbanes-Oxley would look like, should we ever have a digital Enron._______________________________________________________________________
CHECK THIS OUT:
Official reprimanded in DOE hacker casehttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1152AP_File_Theft.htmlhttp://archive.cert.uni-stuttgart.de/isn/2006/07/msg00084.htmlBy H. JOSEF HEBERT
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
July 20, 2006
WASHINGTON -- Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman has reprimanded a senior official because
1,502 nuclear weapons workers were not told for nearly 10 months that their Social Security numbers and other information had been stolen by a computer hacker.
The action came as the department's inspector general blamed a breakdown in communications and poor management judgment for the failures to properly respond to the theft.
The IG report also said there was a "lengthy delay in the department's assessment of the impact" of the
improper penetration of the National Nuclear Security Administration's computers at a service center in Albuquerque, N.M., last September.
The incident was not made public, nor were the individuals whose information had been compromised informed, until June."These employees were not well served this department," said Bodman, who apologized to them.
The senior official who was reprimanded was not identified.NNSA Administrator Linton Brooks, who was interviewed extensively by the IG investigators and named in the report, has acknowledged that he learned of the computer file theft last September but did not tell his superiors at the DOE.
The IG report said Brooks, a former ambassador and nuclear arms negotiator, "took full responsibility" for the failure to inform Bodman and his deputy about the theft and acknowledged that he was the most senior official responsible for not following up to ensure the workers were notified of the theft.
The IG investigators identified seven other senior officials "who shared some level of responsibility for the way in which the matter was handled," said a summary of the report.
Bodman said there may be further disciplinary action, but he added that with the changes he has ordered - based on the IG's recommendations -
"the department is putting this incident behind it and moving forward."The NNSA is a semiautonomous agency within the department and oversees the nuclear weapons programs. The workers whose information was compromised worked for contractors at NNSA facilities around the country.The incident was first made public at a June 9 congressional hearing. Bodman has said he and his top deputy first learned of the theft two days before the hearing.
At the time, Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, demanded that Brooks, the No. 3 official at the Energy Department, be fired for not promptly informing his superiors of the theft.
The IG report said the "department's handling of this matter was largely dysfunctional" and blamed the communications breakdown on "questionable management judgments" and confusion among some managers about lines of authority as they involved the semi-independent NNSA and other DOE offices.
It's not known whether any of the information on the files has been used improperly. Nor has there been a great deal of information made public about the theft. Although the theft occurred from the NNSA's unclassified computer system - and not the weapons-related classified system - the full IG report remains classified and only a brief summary was released.
Brooks told the congressional hearing in June that the file contained names, Social Security numbers, date-of-birth information, a code where the employees worked and codes showing their security clearances.
The IG report called on the department to establish a clear and unambiguous policy on notifying employees of such thefts in the future.
It also said it needed to more clearly define who among various DOE offices - some of which are duplicated within NNSA and other parts of the DOE - is responsible for briefing the secretary and deputy in such matters.
