** Healthcare Bill - Page 1000, 1001 - Implantable Device ... unique identifier

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Healthcare Bill Page 1001 it says:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

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‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable,
4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining.
5 ‘‘(2) In developing the registry, the Secretary shall,
6 in consultation with the Commissioner of Food and Drugs,
7 the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid
8 Services, the head of the Office of the National Coordi9
nator for Health Information Technology, and the Sec10
retary of Veterans Affairs, determine the best methods
11 for—
12 ‘‘(A) including in the registry, in a manner
13 consistent with subsection (f), appropriate information
14 to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by
15 type, model, and serial number or other unique identifier;


This sounds like an implantable microchip to me. What do you think? Alex mentioned a place in the bill that suggested a chip. Is this it?

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We will have to look further into the act that this bill amends, namely Section 519 of the Federal
14 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i).  Once we find that act then we can see what it is the bill is amending.

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Here's the US Code section: (Title 21, Chapter 9 Sec. 360i)
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=BROWSE&TITLE=21USCC9&PDFS=YES



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I am getting a CANNOT RECEIVE THIS FILE.

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Look at pg 207 of 360i. Interesting!

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(c) Persons exempt
Subsection (a) of this section shall not apply
to—
(1) any practitioner who is licensed by law to
prescribe or administer devices intended for
use in humans and who manufactures or imports
devices solely for use in the course of his
professional practice;

(2) any person who manufactures or imports
devices intended for use in humans solely for
such person’s use in research or teaching
and
not for sale (including any person who uses a
device under an exemption granted under section
360j(g) of this title); and
(3) any other class of persons as the Secretary
may by regulation exempt from subsection
(a) of this section upon a finding that
compliance with the requirements of such subsection
by such class with respect to a device
is not necessary to (A) assure that a device is
not adulterated or misbranded or (B) otherwise
to assure its safety and effectiveness.
(d) Repealed. Pub. L. 105–115, title II, § 213(a)(2),
Nov. 21, 1997, 111 Stat. 2347
(e) Device tracking
(1) The Secretary may by order require a manufacturer
to adopt a method of tracking a class
II or class III device—
(A) the failure of which would be reasonably
likely to have serious adverse health consequences;
or
(B) which is—
(i) intended to be implanted in the human
body for more than one year, or

(ii) a life sustaining or life supporting device
used outside a device user facility.
(2) Any patient receiving a device subject to
tracking under paragraph (1) may refuse to release,
or refuse permission to release, the patient’s
name, address, social security number, or
other identifying information for the purpose of
tracking.

Does this sound like a chip to you? It's a device being used for teaching purposes it appears. HUM!
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What we need is subsection(f) which is the section being amended by the newly proposed legislation.

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(f) Reports of removals and corrections
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the
Secretary shall by regulation require a manufacturer
or importer of a device to report
promptly to the Secretary any correction or removal
of a device undertaken by such manufacturer
or importer if the removal or correction
was undertaken—
(A) to reduce a risk to health posed by the
device, or
(B) to remedy a violation of this chapter
caused by the device which may present a risk
to health.
A manufacturer or importer of a device who undertakes
a correction or removal of a device
which is not required to be reported under this
paragraph shall keep a record of such correction
or removal.
(2) No report of the corrective action or removal
of a device may be required under paragraph
(1) if a report of the corrective action or
removal is required and has been submitted
under subsection (a) of this section.
(3) For purposes of paragraphs (1) and (2), the
terms ‘‘correction’’ and ‘‘removal’’ do not include
routine servicing.
(June 25, 1938, ch. 675, § 519, as added Pub. L.
94–295, § 2, May 28, 1976, 90 Stat. 564; amended
Pub. L. 101–629, §§ 2(a), 3(a)(1), (b)(1), 7, Nov. 28,
1990, 104 Stat. 4511, 4513, 4514, 4520; Pub. L.
102–300, § 5(a), June 16, 1992, 106 Stat. 239; Pub. L.
103–80, § 3(u), Aug. 13, 1993, 107 Stat. 778; Pub. L.
105–115, title II, §§ 211, 213(a), (c), Nov. 21, 1997, 111
Stat. 2345–2347.)
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Also found this:
http://www.brefnet.org/news/article/13


It's not clear from the text above what the devices are, but this refers to medical devices like knees, etc. So, not sure!

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Re: ** Healthcare Bill - Page 1000, 1001 - Implantable Device ... unique identi
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2009, 11:55:44 pm »



  Being a doctor, I think you are reading too much into the paragraph.  They want to tract implantable devices  by keeping a record of them somehow.  Think about it.  If they were going to put chips in us,  would they tell us?  I don't think so.

  If you want to listen to some really scary stuff listen to what Tim Rifatt says about HDTV and how they are going to control us with HD.

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This may refer to implants, cosmetic surgeries, or other urgeries involving foreign devices to be implanted in the body.  Supposedly cops were able to identify a slain model recently by the serial number of her implants. i think that is bullshit, how do cops have this tracking system available and why use it before other ID methods? Is it like RFID? do they just do a scan of the body and if any of the various methods of tracking pops up then whamo, no other ID necessary?

In any case...

WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT LANGUAGE DOING IN FEDERAL CODE?

HOW BIG IS OUR FRICKING GOVERNMENT ANYWAY?
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how do cops have this tracking system available

This was in 2001 (btw already posted in sticky thread) imagine where they are now.  DARPA-geared black ops will be the new police everywhere eventually.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/27/nyregion/27KALL.html

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This may refer to implants, cosmetic surgeries, or other urgeries involving foreign devices to be implanted in the body.  Supposedly cops were able to identify a slain model recently by the serial number of her implants. i think that is bullshit, how do cops have this tracking system available and why use it before other ID methods? Is it like RFID? do they just do a scan of the body and if any of the various methods of tracking pops up then whamo, no other ID necessary?

In any case...

WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT LANGUAGE DOING IN FEDERAL CODE?

HOW BIG IS OUR FRICKING GOVERNMENT ANYWAY?


And they do mention BAR CODES which to me means SCANNABLE!
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Re: ** Healthcare Bill - Page 1000, 1001 - Implantable Device ... unique identi
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 11:47:03 am »


  Being a doctor, I think you are reading too much into the paragraph.  They want to tract implantable devices  by keeping a record of them somehow.  Think about it.  If they were going to put chips in us,  would they tell us?  I don't think so.

  If you want to listen to some really scary stuff listen to what Tim Rifatt says about HDTV and how they are going to control us with HD.

You may be right. However, I would like to see some clarification of this part of the bill as to what devices might be included here. It does say "devices used in research and teaching and not for sale". Just what all are they testing in human guinea pigs? Also, there are many nutty scientists into biometrics. So, where does this end?
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Sane, they don't have a system for that. Usually, when a serial number is obtained from an implant or implantable device (pacemaker, fake hip/ knee) the coroner contacts the maker, and back tracks the number to the implanting facility, who then look it up in their records to see who received it. Trust me, I've had to endure several such searches before in unclaimed deceased cases, and most recently in a wrongful death case I worked as a PI.

EDIT: my error, I had no idea how old this thread was, or that someone had revived it.


This may refer to implants, cosmetic surgeries, or other urgeries involving foreign devices to be implanted in the body.  Supposedly cops were able to identify a slain model recently by the serial number of her implants. i think that is bullshit, how do cops have this tracking system available and why use it before other ID methods? Is it like RFID? do they just do a scan of the body and if any of the various methods of tracking pops up then whamo, no other ID necessary?

In any case...

WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT LANGUAGE DOING IN FEDERAL CODE?

HOW BIG IS OUR FRICKING GOVERNMENT ANYWAY?
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VeriChip granted exclusive license to virus triage detection system patents
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20090921/...em-patents.aspx

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September 21, 2009

VeriChip Corporation (“VeriChip”) (NASDAQ: CHIP) and its development partner RECEPTORS LLC, a technology company whose AFFINITY by DESIGN™ chemistry platform can be applied to the development of selective binding products, announced today that VeriChip has been granted an exclusive license to RECEPTORS' Patent No. 7,504,364 titled “Methods of Making Arrays and Artificial Receptors” and Patent No. 7,469,076 “Sensors Employing Combinatorial Artificial Receptors,” in their application to the development of the virus triage detection system for the H1N1 virus. The patents can also be applied to detection systems for other viruses and biological threats such as Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).

Last week, VeriChip announced its plans to fund its existing partnership with RECEPTORS to develop the virus triage detection system for the H1N1 virus. The companies have published a white paper entitled, "An Integrated Sensor System for the Detection of Bio-Threats from Pandemics to Emerging Diseases to Bioterrorism," which outlines the system's development and is available at www.verichipcorp.com.

Scott R. Silverman, Chairman and CEO of VeriChip, said, "In a short period of time following our announcement earlier this month that VeriChip has agreed to acquire Steel Vault Corporation (OTCBB: SVUL) and form PositiveID Corporation, we have been intently focused on maximizing our product portfolio and relationships in order to bring identification technologies and tools for consumers and businesses to market. Our strong balance sheet immediately positions us to invest in our partnership with RECEPTORS and we believe that receiving the exclusive license as it relates to this application of the '364 and '076 patents, which are the foundation of the virus triage detection system being developed with RECEPTORS, is a key step in the evolution of PositiveID."
www.verichipcorp.com

So, is Scott Silverman related to Larry Silverman, WTC owner and "Pull it" guy?


Orwellian tech earasing civil rights, raising H1N1 vaccine questions:
http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Peace-Stud...ccine-questions

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The VeriChip is implanted with a syringe, raising concern about the H1N1 vaccine since independent researchers have debunked that there is a pandemic (Dina Rosendorff for PM, Australian Broadcasting Company, August 18, 2009) and there is a hard-sell vaccine marketing campaign aimed  at fifty percent of Americans willingly accepting the H1N1 vaccine.
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Scott R. Silverman Resumes the Role of Chief Executive Officer of VeriChip Corporation
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090827005551&newsLang=en

Next step in H1N1 scare: Microchip implants - Company developing under-the-skin devices to detect 'bio-threats'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107588
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White Paper: "AN INTEGRATED SENSOR SYSTEM FOR THE DETECTION OF BIO-THREATS FROM PANDEMICS TO EMERGING DISEASES TO BIOTERRORISM
http://receptorsllc.com/documents/Virus%20Sensor%20White%20Paper.pdf
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Forget the "Silverman" comment above. Not the same name.
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