One Way To Fight Eugenics: Oxysilver

[Femacamper]

Was mentioned by Dr. Horowitz on yesterday's show. Looks promising.

http://www.oxysilver.com/index.asp

[jofortruth]

H1N1-H5N1 Flu Outbreak Implicates Anglo-American “Vaccine Pipeline” Says Expert Dr. Leonard Horowitz
http://www.oxysilver.com/mexican_flu_2009-special_report_by_dr._leonard_horowitz.pdf

[larsonstdoc]

Pretty pricey.  We make our own for less than a dollar a bottle. The main expense is the distilled water to make the silver solution.  I think it protects us.  We haven't had a cold in 3 or 4 years.  Do your research.  There are a lot of products out there.

[NinjaPatriot]

Pretty pricey.  We make our own for less than a dollar a bottle. The main expense is the distilled water to make the silver solution.  I think it protects us.  We haven't had a cold in 3 or 4 years.  Do your research.  There are a lot of products out there.

Hi Larson,

Could you give some details about how you go about making this silver?  I haven't done any research on silver, colloidal silver, etc, so I don't really know what this is all about.  Any info would be good, especially how to make it cheap.  thanks!

[larsonstdoc]

Hi Larson,

Could you give some details about how you go about making this silver?  I haven't done any research on silver, colloidal silver, etc, so I don't really know what this is all about.  Any info would be good, especially how to make it cheap.  thanks!

Hi NinjaPatriot,  I don't know if they want us to promote other websites on the Prison Planet Forum but they should IF THINGS ARE GOING TO SAVE OUR LIVES AND SAVE US MONEY.  I bought my silver machine at www.thesilveredge.com  I buy distilled H20 at any grocery store.  We bought the nano particle machine which is suppose to give us nano particles which are suppose to be in suspension for 10 years.  That means, if we store it for that long we shouldn't see anything at the bottom of the bottle.  We use colored beer bottles to store the stuff on a shelf.  We have made enough for our neighbors should all hell break out.  The machine cost us about $200 when we bought it.  They have cheaper ones but I like the nano particles because I believe the silver works down at the cellular level.  He now sells it for $239.95   So for less than 5 bottles of Oxysilver ($250), you can have your own machine and start making nano-silver for 36 cents a quart.  They have a great website.

[NinjaPatriot]

Hi NinjaPatriot,  I don't know if they want us to promote other websites on the Prison Planet Forum but they should IF THINGS ARE GOING TO SAVE OUR LIVES AND SAVE US MONEY.  I bought my silver machine at www.thesilveredge.com  I buy distilled H20 at any grocery store.  We bought the nano particle machine which is suppose to give us nano particles which are suppose to be in suspension for 10 years.  That means, if we store it for that long we shouldn't see anything at the bottom of the bottle.  We use colored beer bottles to store the stuff on a shelf.  We have made enough for our neighbors should all hell break out.  The machine cost us about $200 when we bought it.  They have cheaper ones but I like the nano particles because I believe the silver works down at the cellular level.  He now sells it for $239.95   So for less than 5 bottles of Oxysilver ($250), you can have your own machine and start making nano-silver for 36 cents a quart.  They have a great website.

Great post Larson, very much appreciated. 

What is the silver supposed to do?  I mean to say, what purpose does it serve; a specific disease, general health, etc..  Also, I take many organic herbs, and I broke down and bought a small vial of organic oregano oil (wow is it strong    )  so I wonder how much I really need a silver making kit... 

Thanks!

[Femacamper]

Basically, it functions as a second immune system. Very useful.

[NinjaPatriot]

Hi Femacamper,

I don't really understand that, do I take that literal as a stand alone system or does it work with the immune system?  When I was looking into colloidal silver, I couldn't find any solid information on it.  I only found websites that had their own research and were subsequently selling their own products as well.  I wonder if there is any clinical trials or information I could read about that could demonstrate what it does exactly.  I don't think it wise to put any metals in the body based off second hand information.  Thanks!

[Berminator]

Hi Femacamper,

I don't really understand that, do I take that literal as a stand alone system or does it work with the immune system?  When I was looking into colloidal silver, I couldn't find any solid information on it.  I only found websites that had their own research and were subsequently selling their own products as well.  I wonder if there is any clinical trials or information I could read about that could demonstrate what it does exactly.  I don't think it wise to put any metals in the body based off second hand information.  Thanks!

There's a booklet called "the colloidal silver report", it's good, got it from a online supplement shop when buying the silver.

It's by Zoe Adams.

[jofortruth]

There's a booklet called "the colloidal silver report", it's good, got it from a online supplement shop when buying the silver.

It's by Zoe Adams.

Copy of report can be downloaded here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/emma.siggers/CS.htm

[JBS]

Ionic silver and molecula silver are similar  I use molecula with MMS but I wish I had the the setup to make my own "oxysilver". If/when the internet goes down for good, where would you get it? Nowhere.

[larsonstdoc]

Basically, it functions as a second immune system. Very useful.

Born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Pioneers used silver ladles in their water barrels

    It has been shown that these people had less disease than others because of the silver on the spoons and ladles (in history books).

    I postulate that the silver ion takes some of the really bad ions that are negatively charged out of our bodies.  All I know is that it really works and it keeps us from colds and sore throats.

[NinjaPatriot]

Born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Pioneers used silver ladles in their water barrels

    It has been shown that these people had less disease than others because of the silver on the spoons and ladles (in history books).

    I postulate that the silver ion takes some of the really bad ions that are negatively charged out of our bodies.  All I know is that it really works and it keeps us from colds and sore throats.

Couldn't it be placebo?  Also, there wasn't near the pollutants, near the processed food, near the meat consumption, near the vaccines, the soil wasn't monsanto'd, and on and on.  I'm not trying to imply you are wrong, but I am looking for satisfactory evidence to support the claims.   

Thanks jofortruth, will check it out!   

[Femacamper]

Couldn't it be placebo?  Also, there wasn't near the pollutants, near the processed food, near the meat consumption, near the vaccines, the soil wasn't monsanto'd, and on and on.  I'm not trying to imply you are wrong, but I am looking for satisfactory evidence to support the claims.   

Thanks jofortruth, will check it out!   

I've used colloidal silver with success for years. The positive silver ion in colloidal form attaches itself to the cellular wall of bacteria, viruses, parasite eggs, prions, fungi and other harmful invaders. It breaks the organism; it cannot survive. Silver is very effective!

[larsonstdoc]

Couldn't it be placebo?  Also, there wasn't near the pollutants, near the processed food, near the meat consumption, near the vaccines, the soil wasn't monsanto'd, and on and on.  I'm not trying to imply you are wrong, but I am looking for satisfactory evidence to support the claims.   

Thanks jofortruth, will check it out!   

If we have a sore throat and take some of this silver, EVERYTIME we wake without the sore throat.

3 or 4 years without a cold.

Whatever it does,  it works.  I wouldn't call it a placebo.

[NinjaPatriot]

If we have a sore throat and take some of this silver, EVERYTIME we wake without the sore throat.

3 or 4 years without a cold.

Whatever it does,  it works.  I wouldn't call it a placebo.

I think I might try it.  What model did you buy from your source?  Did it come with silver or did you have to buy it seperately?  Do you think the cheaper models will work as well, or would it be better to go all out?

[larsonstdoc]

The silver rods is where the silver comes from.  You have to buy them every year or 2 for about $25.  I bought the nanoparticle machine which was around $200.  Like I said this Oxysilver is $50 a bottle.  You can make this stuff for 36 cents a bottle.  I hope that it will protect us from viruses that they may release.  I think the time is now to by any thing that may protect us.

[thinkingman]

colloidal silver makers cost about 20 dollars from your local electronics store. All you need is about 6 inches of 99.9999 percent pure silver wire ( from a jewelery smith), and this is your most expensive purchase. You need three 9 volt batteries, two alligator clips, wires and some basic assembly skills.

~thinkingman

[Cmdr. VainGlorious]

colloidal silver makers cost about 20 dollars from your local electronics store. All you need is about 6 inches of 99.9999 percent pure silver wire ( from a jewelery smith), and this is your most expensive purchase. You need three 9 volt batteries, two alligator clips, wires and some basic assembly skills.

~thinkingman

  You are making an ‘Ionic Silver’ compound with that method, which is just basic electrolysis, and an ‘Ionic Silver’ compound is almost worthless when compared to a true ‘Colloidal Silver’ silver hydrosol compound; What you want is a true ‘Colloidal Silver’ compound, a silver hydrosol, NOT an ‘Ionic Silver’ solution .  It is very common for manufacturers to create ‘Ionic Silver’ because it is very inexpensive to make, and then sell it to unsuspecting buyers as a ‘Colloidal Silver’ silver hydrosol compound.  Below are some links that provide some of the necessary information to determine what’s what with respect the ‘Silver’ issue; this is by no means a comprehensive info list below, but is a good starting point for research.

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A Promising Cure for URTI Pandemics, Including H5N1 and SARS: Has the Final Solution to the Coming Plagues Been Discovered? (Part II)
by Eric Gordon, MD and Kent Holtorf, MD
April 2006
http://www.gordonresearch.com/Presentations/GRI_mar07/articles/promising_cure.html [/b]

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Silver Colloids – Scientific Information on Colloidal Silver
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html [/b]


The Difference Between Colloidal Silver And Ionic Silver
Colloidal silver is made up of tiny nanoparticles of metallic silver. The particles are complete and do not combine with other elements. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements, and will readily combine to form compounds. Inside the human body chloride is the most prevalent anion. Silver ions will immediately combine with chloride to form an insoluble compound of silver chloride.

The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not.

This simple fact should be kept in mind when reading claims that silver ions are particles. If a silver ion were a particle, it would not combine with chloride. For a more technical discussion about the differences between ions and particles, see Ions, Atoms and Charged Particles.

Why Is This Important?
Silver chloride is a compound that is formed when silver ions combine with chloride ions. It is an insoluble compound which means once it is formed in the human body, it does not dissolve. Silver ions and chloride ions have such a strong attraction for each other that it is virtually impossible to keep them apart. Once they find each other, they form the silver chloride compound. All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body because of the readily available supply of chloride ions in many different forms.
Silver chloride is an insoluble salt that does not dissolve inside the body once it has formed. Silver chloride is eliminated by the kidneys and expelled through the urine. The authors believe that only the portion of silver content contained in the particles will remain effective in the body. 

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Detailed OXYSILVER™ INSTRUCTIONS

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
http://www.oxysilver.com/lenhorowitz/OXYSILVER_Site_6/OXYSILVER_INSTRUCTIONS.html

[thinkingman]

  You are making an ‘Ionic Silver’ compound with that method, which is just basic electrolysis, and an ‘Ionic Silver’ compound is almost worthless when compared to a true ‘Colloidal Silver’ silver hydrosol compound; What you want is a true ‘Colloidal Silver’ compound, a silver hydrosol, NOT an ‘Ionic Silver’ solution .  It is very common for manufacturers to create ‘Ionic Silver’ because it is very inexpensive to make, and then sell it to unsuspecting buyers as a ‘Colloidal Silver’ silver hydrosol compound.  Below are some links that provide some of the necessary information to determine what’s what with respect the ‘Silver’ issue; this is by no means a comprehensive info list below, but is a good starting point for research.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

A Promising Cure for URTI Pandemics, Including H5N1 and SARS: Has the Final Solution to the Coming Plagues Been Discovered? (Part II)
by Eric Gordon, MD and Kent Holtorf, MD
April 2006
http://www.gordonresearch.com/Presentations/GRI_mar07/articles/promising_cure.html [/b]

________________________________________________________________________________

Silver Colloids – Scientific Information on Colloidal Silver
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html [/b]


The Difference Between Colloidal Silver And Ionic Silver
Colloidal silver is made up of tiny nanoparticles of metallic silver. The particles are complete and do not combine with other elements. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements, and will readily combine to form compounds. Inside the human body chloride is the most prevalent anion. Silver ions will immediately combine with chloride to form an insoluble compound of silver chloride.

The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and silver particles do not.

This simple fact should be kept in mind when reading claims that silver ions are particles. If a silver ion were a particle, it would not combine with chloride. For a more technical discussion about the differences between ions and particles, see Ions, Atoms and Charged Particles.

Why Is This Important?
Silver chloride is a compound that is formed when silver ions combine with chloride ions. It is an insoluble compound which means once it is formed in the human body, it does not dissolve. Silver ions and chloride ions have such a strong attraction for each other that it is virtually impossible to keep them apart. Once they find each other, they form the silver chloride compound. All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body because of the readily available supply of chloride ions in many different forms.
Silver chloride is an insoluble salt that does not dissolve inside the body once it has formed. Silver chloride is eliminated by the kidneys and expelled through the urine. The authors believe that only the portion of silver content contained in the particles will remain effective in the body. 

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Detailed OXYSILVER™ INSTRUCTIONS

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
http://www.oxysilver.com/lenhorowitz/OXYSILVER_Site_6/OXYSILVER_INSTRUCTIONS.html

I'm certainly happy with colloidal silver and its great use to fight illness. If oxysilver works then go for it and use it What I was trying to say its alot more cheaper to make a colloidal silver generator. More then likely more cheaper then the oxysilver stuff when comparing apples to apples. Although all health aids we can get the better we are off in the long run. For those interested this is a interesting link too.

~thinkingman

http://www.silvergen.com/

[iQon]

colloidal silver makers cost about 20 dollars from your local electronics store. All you need is about 6 inches of 99.9999 percent pure silver wire ( from a jewelery smith), and this is your most expensive purchase. You need three 9 volt batteries, two alligator clips, wires and some basic assembly skills.

~thinkingman

The problem with making CS with 9v batteries is that as the conductivity of the liquid increases with silver production, the resistance falls and the the current drawn increases. This results in larger less effective silver particles.

A good diy CS production rig would be a 30v variable power supply with current control - ie as the resistance decreases, the supply will limit the current by reducing the voltage. Or, you could reduce the voltage manually to maintain a constant current, preferably using an external ammeter. The ideal current is around 1mA per square inch of silver anode.

[catdog]

Watch out



You'll be a healthy smurf.

[iQon]

Watch out

You'll be a healthy smurf.

Argyria is rare but does happen and some people are more succeptible than others. But as long as you dont drink quarts of the stuff every day this is very unlikely.

However, I don't routinely use CS except to treat conditions like periodontal issues eg gum infections etc. Not because of any concern about Argyria but more that it's not a normal dietary substance but more of a treatment so I use it as such.

As a flu/other illness preventative I take 5000iu vitamin D3 per day, its dirt cheap and likely to be more effective for this purpose than CS.

[truth=freedom]

Haha, from the OXYSILVER FAQ:

(17) Some people are claiming OXYSILVER™ is a “pesticide.” How can this be?
Because right wing petrochemical-pharmaceutical industrialists are afraid of losing sales in dangerous antibiotics and deadly vaccines to our far safer and far superior product. So their media prostitutes are plugging this lunacy. At the same time, largely ignorant people, and otherwise biased left wing “radical” environmentalists, have petitioned the EPA to classify the nano-sized silver hydrosols as “pesticides.” Their challenge is based on the previous definition the EPA gave of “pesticide” to include undesirable germs, viruses, and fungi. But, if you read their petition carefully reflecting on the stacks of scientific articles proving life-saving safety and efficacy of silver hydrosols you realize how ridiculously radical their request to classify silver hydrosols as “pesticides” really is. Can you imagine medical patients taking prescriptions labeled “PESTICIDE?” Not likely.

Media prostitutes, I love it.

[Ilsa]

well - the mechanism is that silver, zinc, and copper are all heavy metals that are toxic to bacteria and microbial organisms but not to mammals. Asterix on the copper, because it is easy to overdose on copper. Likewise, mercury and lead are heavy metals that are toxic to us.
  Zinc is verified in published studies to provide resistance to cold viruses, and this is in that Airborne remedy you find in drug stores. It only works in popsicle or sucker form when you swish it around in your mouth and it comes in physical contact with germs, rather than in a vitamin you quickly swallow. By the way, zinc on an empty stomach has given me nausea. You don't want to just guzzle down zinc. Silver is more inert, but it isn't excreted and turns you blue. Silver is effective in slowing mold or bacterial growth in food or on equipment.

Brass and bronze are copper alloys and if they are used on doorknobs, they kill germs left by people's hands.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99458486

[changedname]

What is the difference in oxysilver and collodial silver? I have a collodial silver generator that I use!

[grunt]

Great post Larson, very much appreciated. 

What is the silver supposed to do?  I mean to say, what purpose does it serve; a specific disease, general health, etc..  Also, I take many organic herbs, and I broke down and bought a small vial of organic oregano oil (wow is it strong    )  so I wonder how much I really need a silver making kit... 

Thanks!

Tell me about it! I had a cold coming on about 8 months ago, bought some oregano oil based on what I was reading here. I decided to swallow a couple of tablespoons and my throat was on fire but, the next day my throat wasnt scratchy and my nose wasnt running anymore. WOW. That stuff works!

[grunt]

I've used colloidal silver with success for years. The positive silver ion in colloidal form attaches itself to the cellular wall of bacteria, viruses, parasite eggs, prions, fungi and other harmful invaders. It breaks the organism; it cannot survive. Silver is very effective!

I have some collodial silver and have used it a few times.... but, I never knew exactly WHAT it does. Thats for this info above.... my question is... does it also attach to healthy organisms like pro-biotics? I mean if I eat yogurt, will the silver kill all of that good stuff too? I think thats why I have been leery of using it more.

[catdog]

I don't understand this stuff at all. It's supposed to kill bacteria. Well there are more bacteria in my body than I have cells and almost all of it is healthful. I need it to digest my food and break down nutrients. If I have healthy bacteria, it will make it harder for harmful bacteria to survive. I don't even use antibacterial soap. People don't take antibiotics to keep from getting sick, why should I ingest silver?

edit: I think my thoughts are similar to 1776grunt ^^^^

[truth=freedom]

Per the oxysilver website it is possible it may kill good bacteria but if you take a probiotic then you are good to go. By the way 1776grunt, if you like yogurt try Kefir. It is better than yogurt in that it has more good bacteria than yogurt and its been used for over 3000 years.

http://www.kefir.net/kefiryogurt.htm

[catdog]

Thats just stupid. Kill your good bacteria so you can just replenish it with a "pro-biotic". It's not like everything you need for digestion is in some fermented milk. Everyone has different microflora in their intestines. A lot of it probably comes from your mother. Thats why cows eat grass they have bacteria that can digest the cellulose. Some people can't digest lactose.

It's best to just keep your own bacterial flora healthy than to assault it all with one chemical then try to replenish it with another bacterium.

[donnay]

Per the oxysilver website it is possible it may kill good bacteria but if you take a probiotic then you are good to go. By the way 1776grunt, if you like yogurt try Kefir. It is better than yogurt in that it has more good bacteria than yogurt and its been used for over 3000 years.

http://www.kefir.net/kefiryogurt.htm

I take oxysilver daily and I make my own kefir...both are great!

[catdog]

More information.
100 trillion friendly bacteria in your gut and 300-1000 different types. The ones in yogurt are only useful for breaking down lactose.

[grunt]

I love kefir! (and buttermilk too). My wife is from eastern europe so kefir is a big part of life there. The stuff in the stores here like Lifeway brand (although originally made by eastern europeans) is bland and doesnt have that live natural effervescence you get when you make it yourself.

[chris jones]

Pretty pricey.  We make our own for less than a dollar a bottle. The main expense is the distilled water to make the silver solution.  I think it protects us.  We haven't had a cold in 3 or 4 years.  Do your research.  There are a lot of products out there.

YES, the price alone eliminates the majority!

You make reference to the fact you make your won, could you give some details.

[Andre-]

I have seen no scientific data on what Oxysilver does and i have seen no safety studies either.  

ASAP on the other hand is scientificly proven to be the best silver on the market.

lifesilver.com has great priceses compared to many other sites.

If you make silver by yourself you wont get the nano-silver that is the most effective.

[thinkingman]

The problem with making CS with 9v batteries is that as the conductivity of the liquid increases with silver production, the resistance falls and the the current drawn increases. This results in larger less effective silver particles.

A good diy CS production rig would be a 30v variable power supply with current control - ie as the resistance decreases, the supply will limit the current by reducing the voltage. Or, you could reduce the voltage manually to maintain a constant current, preferably using an external ammeter. The ideal current is around 1mA per square inch of silver anode.

I use distilled water and heat to about coffee tempature. I also use a saline solution or water thats the same level as seawater. I apply 6 drops out of a eye dropper, and allow the generator to process about 20 minutes. I do believe the silver rods are 6 inches in length if that makes a difference.

~thinkingman

~thinkingman

[iQon]

I use distilled water and heat to about coffee tempature. I also use a saline solution or water thats the same level as seawater. I apply 6 drops out of a eye dropper, and allow the generator to process about 20 minutes. I do believe the silver rods are 6 inches in length if that makes a difference.

~thinkingman

~thinkingman

Warming the water a few degrees above room temperature is ok, but coffee temperature sounds too hot and will not make for a controlled reaction. Salt should not be used because, while it may increase the conductivity of the water and therefore speed up the reaction, it will inevitably create silver chloride and result in very large particle size - and be of little use or possibly harmful.

This is a good explanatory article about all things CS: http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

Excerpt:

Please Pass The Salt
Regardless of what anyone has said to the contrary, silver chloride will ALWAYS form if any amount of salt is present. Never add anything to the water that will make the water conduct electricity better. Never add salt, sea salt, or Celtic sea salt to the distilled water because the salt puts chloride ions in the water that react with the silver to form silver chloride. Another serious problem arises when making colloidal silver with salt in the water. The presence of salt increases the electrical conductivity of the water and this dramatically speeds up the reaction. As the reaction speeds up under these circumstances, it produces larger particles. The product produced is invariably cloudy-white in appearance. Actual electron microscope photographs of this material show silver particles in the range of .05 to .15 microns. These particles are TOO LARGE to form a colloidal suspension, and the proof is that the material will settle to the bottom of the container in a very short period of time. Therefore, this home brewed "colloidal silver" product may be dangerous to consume internally for TWO reasons: the presence of silver chloride and the production of large particles.

[Femacamper]

Don't heat the water as some suggest for a faster process...it's easy to burn yourself when handling it.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

The most state-of-the-art way to kill a virus is NOT by injecting 'lab viruses' into peoples veins BUT, to destroy them MECHANICALLY.

That is the science of tearing apart a viruses protons / neutrons.  Major investment companies were poised to invest big time into this.  That's why the FDA (which BTW IS the pharmaceutical companies disguised as 'government') threatened to outlaw it's sale.