Taxes: For or Against?

[Japanese_American]

I was wondering about the thoughts of the average Alex Jones' listeners. We hate taxes, we pay taxes but our income tax is used to pay the interest on the debt accrued over the years. Debt from wars as well as the support of the Military Industrial Complex. Yet I was wondering, would you want to see income tax (a graduated) system that pays for:

Schools
Highways
Social security
Roads
Police/fire/Ambulance
Social programs to get one off the streets and back into society (not like the permanent program Bush has many on)
Hospitals

And other social programs so that we could elevate our economy and lifestyle? Also, a tax on the elite for their wealth to pay for our infrastructure as well as a tariff for goods coming into the United States? I've gotten a lot of flack with the tariff taxes so let me explain:

Say it costs $1 of labor to make a pair of shoes but 10 cents to make the same shoes in China. Currently there is a 2% import tariff from foreign countries but a 40% export tariff from the United States. So it's cheaper to make the shoes in China than it is to make it here and the tariffs is a lot less for the corporation. Getting back to the import tariffs, say it cost 10 cents of labor to make the same Nike? Why not put on a 90 cent tariff so that it'll be the same price to make the shoes here as oppose to making it in a bassackward oppressed country? Nike comes back, and hires Americans. Your thoughts?

[chilicharger665]

The income tax just goes to pay for interest on the national debt. Nothing more. Research from there.

[Div]

IF the income tax laws were changed to guarentee that it would 100% go to public services I think people would be less reluctant to support it, especially if that extra money makes our standard of living go up. If the people could keep their income tax money and buy fancier things that would be enjoyable, but so would walking down the street and not having it look like a dump. I mean what good is owning a corvette if the roads are always full of potholes.

I'm not sure which option I'd support tho.

[chilicharger665]

You're not getting the point. The FEDERAL income tax goes to the FEDERAL government. Unless you live in D.C. thats not the neighborhood you live in and you won't get a cent out of it. NEVER get taxed and then get it "guaranteed" to help out locally. Eliminate the income tax, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and rapes people of their just compensation for THEIR labor. Just like the LOCAL gas tax pays for LOCAL roads. Keep EVERYTHING localized and that will, at the very least, minimize corruption and keep it accountable to local politicians, instead of a child-molester D.C. dweller.

[Div]

You're not getting the point. The FEDERAL income tax goes to the FEDERAL government. Unless you live in D.C. thats not the neighborhood you live in and you won't get a cent out of it. NEVER get taxed and then get it "guaranteed" to help out locally. Eliminate the income tax, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and rapes people of their just compensation for THEIR labor. Just like the LOCAL gas tax pays for LOCAL roads. Keep EVERYTHING localized and that will, at the very least, minimize corruption and keep it accountable to local politicians, instead of a child-molester D.C. dweller.

I know all about the income tax, but I believe the OP was asking a hypothetical question. Would you support the tax if it was refined and so the money actually went to public services.

[poke_sally]

Well here in Kansas our Real Estate Property Taxes pay for these things.
Income taxes? It has always been a dream of mine to be the first one with entitlement to my wages.
And by all means, the money that the Federal Reserve has swindled from our nation should probably more than cover all the taxes that would need collected for at least the end of this century. I say we vote to declare that debt invalid. It would be extremely satisfying to see all from the Fed with some tar and feathers since it would be highly unlikely there are any laws on our books that would hold them responsible.

I do think that as a nation we would be well within our rights to strip all honors, awards, etc. that have been given to any of them and then somehow those elected officials within our governments that let this happen, and then to all of them who silently let the scam continue, should have all honors, titles, and any monies stripped from them as well. Of course the corrupt _______ have already anticipated this and have removed any laws that could hold them accountable too. Maybe they can tell us how fun it is to just barely survive a good dunking with the water board.

And then lets go get our farm land back! And then lets ban all Corporations that have relocated our jobs and then managed to reap tremendous profits from our purchases... and remained tax free because they were offshore companies now.

Ok, here in the real world... Do what ya want. The United States of America has been hijacked and those of us aware of any of this will soon be sent to some camp where we disappear while all our supposed fellow-Americans cheer our destruction.

Sorry, and no I don't really feel better.

[poke_sally]

I know all about the income tax, but I believe the OP was asking a hypothetical question. Would you support the tax if it was refined and so the money actually went to public services.

Let me answer the question with a question. Have we not already had these taxes "sold" to us? I am pretty darn sick of any and all of our government agencies increasing our taxes again... and then awhile down the road, we have to absorb another damn tax because those in our government have proven themselves over and over and over again to not be responsible with our money, just looking at us like a hungry parasite does his host.

There is no where to run. whaaaaa

[Cruise4]

I support NO income tax, in fact no personal taxes whatsoever. I can 'ALWAYS spend my money more economically and more wisely than anyone else. So NO, I wouldn't support a 'refined' approach because there is no such thing.

Those that use collectively owned resources for economic gain should pay tax, and thats enough without this 'money is debt' nonsense.

There may be a case for 'user pays' on some issues... but such a tax must always be spent on that which it is levied for. Personally I doubt even this is necessary.

Some form of protectionism is needed at present, until the relative properity around the world is equalised. Its only like that because of the scum in charge  so this would be only a temporary measure.

Social Security may well be a percieved issue based on the current corrupt money and social system. I believe there is a great deal to suggest Social Security payments are counter-productive for all concerned IF THE SYSTEM WAS FAIR.

By the time we have finished there should be NO ELITE left. They are robbing murdering criminal fraudsters. The money system is a joke. Those that have profited, knowingly or unknowingly, have partaken of evil. Honours (ha ha) should be stripped, title should be stripped, privilidge... stripped, wealth... stripped, assets... stripped. They are to be left with nothing, scrabbling in the dirt where they belong.

[chilicharger665]

I know all about the income tax, but I believe the OP was asking a hypothetical question. Would you support the tax if it was refined and so the money actually went to public services.

Absolutely hell no. It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! I will NOT support something that is unconstitutional, period.  I do not understand this "need" for a better income tax. Our country runs right now on everything BUT the income tax. Everything that a city dweller needs or gets from the government is supplies through other taxes. There is no need for the income tax, it is purely stealing peoples money, and Ron Paul knows what to do about it. I think the discussion should be over for most people if it is unconstitutional.

[Kregener]

NO tax on incomes. Period.

[Beelze-bush]

Hmmm. Taxes.
Survival necessities should not be taxed.
Income tax - Totally unconstitutional theft of your property(labor)
Sales Tax - Another "cost of doing business" passed on to the "consumer"
Excise tax - The way it's supposed to work. The people that use the stuff pay the tax. Example: Tax on tires, gas, automotive products goes to pay for the roads
Property tax - Blame "disposable society" and public school money pits for sucking you dry.


By and large, it's what you get for believing the government is here to help.

[Dig]

According to Otto, the Income Tax is simply slavery.

After the 16th amendment it was never really implemented.  Up until around 1955, it was under 2%.  Then because of all of the debts from Rothschild/Rockefeller instigated wars, the tax rose.  Within the past 30 years it has gotten to socialist proportions.  As far as prior to the 16th amendment, I think the movement was called fabianism where Seligman proposed the idea of a communal method of ensuring the rights of the poor.  Well the whole thing was picked up by NWO (or started by it) and the rest is history.  More here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=10245.msg39375#msg39375

[chilicharger665]

I think property tax is the biggest @#$@#$ joke next to the income tax. If you freaking buy something, why in the mother@#$@#$ world would you have to pay taxes on it?  Speaking about taxes, I just found this amazing site that everyone should go look at. Apologies if its already well known...

http://www.losthorizons.com/

[btalex1990]

I'm against any kind of taxes that support a War thats only for Oil or Power such as the NWO

[Dig]

I think property tax is the biggest @#$@#$ joke next to the income tax. If you freaking buy something, why in the mother@#$@#$ world would you have to pay taxes on it?  Speaking about taxes, I just found this amazing site that everyone should go look at. Apologies if its already well known...

http://www.losthorizons.com/

yeah property tax, wtf?

does it pay for electricity?

water?

police protection?

fire protection?

It pays for your prison cell, that they can spy on, arson, or break in any time they want.

[chilicharger665]

Exactly.