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« on: July 28, 2009, 12:47:14 PM »

Man accused of judge threats called FBI informant

By MIKE ROBINSON, AP Legal Affairs Writer Mike Robinson, Ap Legal Affairs Writer – 38 mins ago

CHICAGO – A New Jersey blogger accused of threatening to kill three federal judges has been an FBI informant and even told authorities about a potential plot to assassinate President Barack Obama, his lawyer said Tuesday.

Extremist blogger Hal Turner pleaded not guilty earlier in the day to charges that he threatened to kill three Chicago-based federal appeals judges.

At his bond hearing, defense attorney Michael Orozco said the 47-year-old Turner of North Bergen, N.J., was not a danger to the community as federal prosecutors claim. Turner deserved to be released on bond, Orozco said, adding that he had served as an FBI confidential informant.

"He provided information about the potential assassination of President Obama," Orozco told U.S. Magistrate Judge Martin C. Ashman.

Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan told Ashman he "never heard anything about that" and said Turner's contacts with the FBI ended "quite some time ago." After court, Hogan and a federal spokesman, Randall Samborn, declined to comment further about Turner's relationship with the FBI or federal marshals.

Ashman suggested that Orozco had only his client's word that he had given information about a potential assassination to federal authorities. The judge ordered Turner held in custody pending the outcome of an Aug. 10 continuation of the bond hearing.

After court, Orozco told reporters that Ashman was correct that he had no independent knowledge of what Turner had told federal marshals. But he said he would try to subpoena Turner's FBI "handler" for the Aug. 10 hearing.

Turner had said in Internet postings in June that the three federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers in Chicago's Everett M. Dirksen Federal Courthouse.

Orozco said Turner had never advocated the murder of judges but merely gave his opinion. He said that was "outlandish" but was nevertheless constitutionally protected free speech.

The lawyer also said Turner had stopped taking medicine for an unspecified emotional condition some time ago because "he doesn't need it."

"Whether it was for depression or what I don't know," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_judges_death_threats_3
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 12:51:46 PM »

Thee Hal Turner?
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 05:31:02 PM »





In a lame attempt to save his hide and stay out of prison for allegedly threatening to kill federal judges, the racist talk show host Hal Turner has admitted in court that he is an FBI informant, the Chicago Breaking News Center reports today.


Alex Jones and others have argued for some time that the white supremacist from North Bergen, New Jersey, is an FBI informant.

Assistant U.S. Atty. William Hogan tried to dismiss Turner’s admission. “Hogan said Turner may have had some contact with the FBI as an informant but that it was quite some time ago,” reports Jeff Coen. Recent evidence, however, reveals that Turner has continued his relationship with the feds.

Documentation emerged in 2008 exposing Turner as an FBI operative. “Hal Turner, rising in fame as the most blatant hate talk radio host, self-proclaimed neo-nazi, antisemite, racist who hinted at the need to eradicate Jews — turns out to have been fronting a typical FBI COINTELPRO sting operation,” writes Richard Evans. Hackers managed to gain access to his forum server and revealed correspondence with an FBI agent who was apparently Turner’s handler.

As documented by Brian Glick and others, under COINTELPRO, the FBI subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Klu Klux Klan and other racist groups, including the “Secret Army Organization” of California.

The FBI is notorious for unleashing informants and provocateurs. In 2008, it was discovered that informants working for the FBI were at the center of a supposed terror plot aimed at the Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. One of the of the informants received nearly $240,000 in taxpayer money for his role in the operation.

In 2007, the FBI was caught manipulating seven impoverished residents of Liberty City, Florida, attempting to get them to blow up the Sears tower in Chicago. As it turns out, the supposed terror plot and the principal source of resources for the group came in the form of an FBI informant posing as an “Al Qaeda representative.” The two informants — Abbas al-Saidi and Elie Assad — earned over $130,000 for their services to the FBI.
Earlier this year, the FBI lured a gang of pathetic would-be terrorists in New York with “piles of cash and gifts and even bags of weed,” according to the New York Post. The men were later charged with plotting to blow up synagogues and military jets.

Other incidents of FBI agents provocateurs attempting to get people to engage in violent and illegal acts are legendary. The McDavid case, for instance, received attention in 2006. “In January 2006, Eric McDavid, Lauren Weiner, and Zachary Jenson were arrested in California and charged with knowingly conspiring to use fire or explosives to damage property,” writes Jennifer Van Bergen for Raw Story. It was later revealed that a paid FBI confidential informant named “Anna” had not only infiltrated peace and justice rallies and anarchist meetings, but had acted as a provocateur in the McDavid case. “McDavid’s attorney, Mark Reichel, states that Anna was always pushing McDavid to do something criminal, taught the three how to make the bombs, supervised their activities, and repeatedly threatened to leave them if they didn’t start doing ’something,’” Van Bergen writes.

Considering this blatant history of FBI provocation, it is entirely possible that Hal Turner was encouraged by the agency to issue threats against federal judges. Turner was arrested on June 3, 2009, for issuing threats against two politicians in Connecticut and a state ethics official. He was re-arrested on June 24 and charged with issuing threats against judges of the United States Court of Appeals in Chicago.

It is no mistake the federal authorities arrested Turner at approximately the same time the Department of Homeland Security was coming under fire for its now infamous “rightwing extremism” report that specifically warns about violence on the part of white supremacists who are conveniently connected by the government to returning veterans, defenders of the Second Amendment, pro-life activists, and patriot groups.

It is common knowledge the FBI collaborated with Morris Dees’ Southern Poverty Law Center in a joint effort to create violent white supremacist groups where none existed before. A declassified FBI memo reveals that the SPLC had informants at Elohim City on the eve of the Oklahoma City bombing. “If I told you what we were doing there, I would have to kill you,” Dees said during a press conference.

Hal Turner, by his own courtroom admission, is a classic government patsy burned by the people he attempted to collaborate with. He will likely have a lot of time to think about the stupidity of his actions in federal prison.

Kurt Nimmo Infowars July 28, 2009

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Radio host denies threatening federal judges
July 28, 2009 12:59 PM | 5 Comments

An Internet radio host pleaded not guilty today to threatening to kill three federal appellate judges in Chicago and then sought his release from custody, saying he has been an informant for the FBI.

Hal Turner, who was arrested last month at his home in New Jersey, shook his head after being handed a copy of the indictment.

Turner is charged with calling for appellate judges Frank Easterbrook, William Bauer and Richard Posner to be killed after they affirmed a lower court decision June 2 to dismiss challenges to Chicago's handgun ban.

Turner allegedly used his web site to put out the message that all three were "cunning, ruthless, untrustworthy, disloyal, unpatriotic, deceitful scum."

"Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed," he allegedly said.

A federal judge from Louisiana will be brought in to preside over the case.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Martin Ashman gave Turner 10 days to subpoena an FBI agent who Turner contends acted as his handler as he supplied the government with information. Turner's lawyer, Michael Orozco, said Turner prevented military equipment from being sold on the Internet and even tipped off the U.S. Marshal Service to a threat against President Barack Obama.

"So you're saying he's an American hero," Ashman said somewhat sarcastically.

As for the charges, Orozco said Turner was only giving his opinion on the judges' ruling and that he has a Constitutional right to free speech.

Assistant U.S. Atty. William Hogan said a magistrate judge in New Jersey had already ordered Turner detained before he was sent to Chicago, finding that he was a threat to the community. He has continued to air threatening radio messages on the Internet since his arrest, including a call placed from custody in New Jersey, Hogan said.

Hogan said Turner may have had some contact with the FBI as an informant but that it was quite some time ago. He said he had no idea about any action Turner supposedly took to thwart an attack on the president.
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 05:32:50 PM »

White supremacist radio host Hal Turner was an FBI informant, as hackers claimed a year ago

White supremacist radio host Hal Turner was an FBI informant, his lawyer revealed in court today. The announcement is a confirmation of what hackers claimed nearly a year ago after allegedly gaining access to his e-mails.

Turner was arrested on June 24 for allegedly calling for the murder of three judges who supported the Chicago gun ban. The confession by his attorney came at a bond hearing Tuesday.

"Attorney Michael Orozco [...] said his client gave authorities information about a plot to assassinate President Barack Obama," reported the Associated Press.

However, prosecutors said they had no information about the alleged plot, but did confirm Turner had a relationship with the bureau. Attorney William Hogan told the wire service that relationship had ended "some time ago."

His recent arrest came after a complaint about an overt call for the murder of three judges.

"Let me be the first to say this plainly: these Judges deserve to be killed," he wrote on his Web site, according to MSNBC. "He included their pictures, phone numbers, work address and room numbers along with a photo of the courthouse in which they work and a map of its location, the FBI says."

"We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period,"' said Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago," the network reported.

But perhaps the most interesting bit of Turner's recent history are his dealings with the users of the popular Internet forum 4chan, among others.

In July 2008, hackers -- who may or may not be connected to 4chan -- confronted Turner on his Web site's forums and claimed they had gained access to his e-mail, uncovering a message allegedly to his FBI handler in which he takes credit for "flush[ing] out another crazy."

The message was to one shaug@*fbi.gov, credited in the purported e-mail as "Haug, Stephen M.", and it told of an alleged plot to kill Democratic Senator Russ Feingold.

   
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> Guys:
    > I wrote an opinion piece on my site today in which I opine about
    > 46 US Senators who I believe should be removed from office on
    > July 4 for betraying their constituents and this nation.
    >
    > An anonymous person, posting on the outside, third-party visitor
    > comments area of my web site wrote:
    >
    > "im going to kill senator feingold on july 4th. may thomas
    > paine smile upon me and alexander hamilton bless my cause.
    > praise the lord and pass the ammunition."
    >
    > As you are probably aware, Feingold is from Wisconsin.
    >
    > The posting was made today, July 1, 2007 at 4:34 PM EST from IP
    > address 128.104.230.228 which comes back to the University of
    > Wisconsin.
    > The posting can be viewed by the general public at:
    > http://www.haloscan.com/comments/halturner/FacingOffWith46/#236927
    >
    > Once again, my fierce rhetoric has served to flush out a
    > possible crazy.
    >
    > Please acknowledge receipt of this warning. Of late, both of
    > you have become remiss in acknowledging e-mails.
    >
    > HT

The message drew a rather terse response:

   
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> Got it thanks. I think you forget that I no longer have my
    > blackberry and thus no real-time link to the email. I have to be
    > logged on to a server to access it. As you know, I don;t have
    > one growing out of my ass...Some emails require no comment...

Allegedly, he goes on to take credit for "single-handedly" stopping President Bush's immigration legislation. He adds: "Thank God some of the Marines at the White House feed me info.  You'd be shocked what they hear standing there opening doors all day."

And, to note, I say allegedly because I do not know these hackers, nor am I certain that these e-mails are real. I report it only because these e-faring rogues of the Web hit the nail on the head well before Turner's lawyer sealed the coffin.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups in the United States, emphasizes how crazy this gentleman is:

    In 2006, Turner told his audience to “clean your guns, have plenty of ammunition … [and] then do what has to be done” to undocumented workers. Around the same time, he suggested that half the U.S. Congress “may have to be assassinated.” A year earlier, he suggested “drawing up lists of yeshivas,” or Jewish religious schools. He once started a website called www.killtheenemy.com for the purpose of posting photos and names of those who marched in favor of immigrant rights. Hearing that anti-racist activist Floyd Cochran was visiting Newark, N.J., last June, Turner said he had “arranged for a group of guys to physically intercept” Cochran and added that Cochran would likely “get such a beating that his next stop is going to be University Hospital.” In a July letter, Turner wrote to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which publishes the Intelligence Report: “If you do not change your stance soon, you will face a wrath of fury that you will never be able to defend yourself against. We have the ability to reach out and touch someone.”

    Last July, Turner posted photographs of a pro-immigrant activist being taken away by an ambulance outside Turner’s North Bergen home. "Click the images below to see how I kicked the shit out of one such douchebag," he wrote.

For months, Turner was hounded by 4chan'ers who would stage "raids" on his radio show making dozens of phone calls and miming ethnic stereotypes or subversively making fun of his racism by burying pop culture iconography in supposedly legitimate calls.

And for a time, his Web site was besieged by denial of service attacks, cutting down significantly on the number of listeners he could reach.

Here's a clip which, though it contains some racist language, is nevertheless hysterical just for the sheer inventiveness of the prank caller:

If you did not catch that, the caller was reciting the motto of the evil Team Rocket from the Poke'mon cartoon. (You could hardly be blamed for not knowing it, but on the Internets, cultural fluency is a must.)

There's a ton more Turner raids recorded and on YouTube, but curious viewers should be warned of Turner's frequent use of rambling, nonsense racist profanity. The 'Rocket Roll' video above is actually the least offensive I found.

After so long and untold amounts of pranking and harassment, Turner quit, explaining that the "free market has not supported this show."

Then the arrest.

And now we find out, for sure, that he was an FBI informant -- out there for years, whipping the crazies up into a frenzy, drawing out the true believers ready to commit violence, then turning them over to the FBI, even though they're seemingly going along with what he was promoting.

Makes one think, is all.

-- Stephen C. Webster

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/07/revealed-racist-talk-show-host-turner-was-an-fbi-informant/
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 05:37:11 PM »

The question should be: who isn't an informer for the government in the extremists movements?
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 05:38:04 PM »

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but did confirm Turner had a relationship with the bureau
No need for the jury to retire on this one.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 05:41:48 PM »

Looks like we were thinking the same thing at the same time. Smiley

It's an insane story and a good example of controlled opposition.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 05:51:09 PM »


Who wants to bet  Jane Burgmeister is the next outed shill ?
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 07:28:16 PM »

Who wants to bet  Jane Burgmeister is the next outed shill ?
Oh yeah.  Bill Deagle has cracked that nut WIDE open.  She didn't even file her documents until a few days ago!
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 07:33:09 PM »

Oh yeah.  Bill Deagle has cracked that nut WIDE open.  She didn't even file her documents until a few days ago!

wha-wha-what...more info!!!
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 07:42:42 PM »

wha-wha-what...more info!!!
Oh yeah Sane, this lady filed the documents to the FBI, apparently like July 22nd, something like that.  Deagle has been all over it....I'm not good at going off memory, I'll see if I can find where somebody breaks it down.

http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=2200   All the way at the bottom...

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Like I have warned, Jane Burgermeister is either psychotic, or she is a very dangerous double agent with a definite agenda. (Is that "name-calling" or just stating FACTS???)

In this latest rant, she is publicly advocating that American citizens "target" government agents and command centers with VIOLENCE tomorrow, July 27 during the FEMA exercises. Folks, that is the WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN!!!! Doesn't this rhetoric make her a "terrorist" under The Patriot Act?

She is advocating this violence immediately after CORRECTLY ASSESSING that this is exactly what the elite WANT TO SEE HAPPEN - so that eventually the elite will be able to better justify the imposition of martial law. Isn't this psychotic??

The kicker is, Jane is doing all of this secure and safe in her bungalow in Austria --

SHE IS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN, and is not bound by American laws! She is continuing to expose her narcissistic personality -- what makes her think she can give Americans such dangerous "marching orders" -- unless they are coded messages to American "sleeper" agents (Manchurian Candidates) which is also a very real possibility.

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