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« Reply #120 on: August 18, 2009, 07:41:05 PM »
CSL MAKING A KILLING OFF OF KILLER VACCINES!

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FDA clears CSL's vaccine-finishing facility in US

Lisa Schnirring  Staff Writer

Aug 18, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today approved a vaccine filling and packaging facility in Illinois owned by CSL Biotherapies, one of the five companies under contract to make novel H1N1 vaccines for the United States, the company announced.

The facility, based in Kanakee, includes a high-speed,single-dose vaccine filling line and is intended to help the company expand its capacity to make flu vaccine for the US market. The company, based in Australia, said in a press release that it completed production of its seasonal flu vaccine, Afluria, in early July and will deliver more than 8 million doses, most of it in thimerosal-free prefilled syringes, for the upcoming season.

On May 29 CSL signed a $180 million contract with the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to produce novel H1N1 antigen. Today's FDA approval will enable the company to package the antigen, produced at the company's headquarters in Australia, if requested by HHS. A company spokeswoman said in an e-mail sent to journalists today, "Today's approval of this facility is particularly important as it will allow CSL to fill and package their vaccine against the novel influenza A/H1N1 virus in the US."

On Aug 14 during a National Biodefense Safety Board teleconference to update US officials on pandemic preparations, an HHS official scaled back the predicted initial supply of novel H1N1 vaccine from 120 million doses to 45 million doses by mid October, with 20 million doses arriving weekly thereafter. The official cited a US shortage of vaccine fill-and-finish sites, which are just finishing production of seasonal flu vaccines, as one of the reasons for the vaccine delay.

Bill Hall, an HHS spokesman , told CIDRAP News today that the FDA's approval of CSL's new facility is clearly good news and is part of HHS's strategy to maximize vaccine production and speed delivery. "However, it's too early to predict at this point exactly how much this particular approval will enhance our overall production capacity and vaccine availability," he added.

Another reason cited for the reduced forecast regarding initial H1N1 vaccine supply was CSL's contractual obligation to produce novel flu vaccine first for its home country, Australia, which is in the midst of its winter flu season. Officials also said one of the companies making seasonal flu vaccine is having problems finishing up production.

When the Kanakee facility opens, it will have the capacity to fill and package 10 million doses of CSL's seasonal flu vaccine each year, the company said. Once the site reaches full capacity it will be able to fill and package 20 million thimerosal-free prefilled syringes annually.

Wally Casey, senior vice president and general manager of CSL's Kanakee facility, said in a press release that the FDA's approval today enables the company to rapidly deliver ready-to-administer flu vaccines to US healthcare providers. "It also underscores our support to enhance vaccine administration safety through the use of ready-to-use prefilled syringes," he added.

CSL said in a May 29 press release that it also has a fill-and-finish facility in Marburg, Germany.

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CSL’s Profit Rises 63% on Currencies, Plasma Demand (Update1)
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By Simeon Bennett

Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- CSL Ltd., the world’s second-largest maker of treatments derived from blood plasma, posted a 63 percent gain in profit on currency gains and demand for products.

Net income rose to A$1.15 billion ($947 million) in the 12 months ended June 30, from A$701.8 million a year earlier, Melbourne-based CSL said in a statement today. Sales rose 32 percent to A$5.04 billion.

The result exceeded the A$1.09 billion median of six analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg in the past four weeks.

Earnings were boosted by products such as Privigen, which had its first full year of sales in the U.S. after gaining approval in February 2008. CSL also benefited from the U.S. recession as unemployment spurred more people to donate plasma for cash, allowing the company to cut the price it pays and increase profitability.

CSL Ltd. scrapped a proposed $3.1 billion acquisition of Talecris Biotherapeutics Holdings Corp. in June after U.S. regulators blocked the deal, and said it planned to buy back about A$1.59 million of its stock. The buyback will probably add about 9 percent to earnings per share in the 12 months to June 2010, Chief Executive Officer Brian McNamee said at the time.

“Over the longer term the company intends to develop new products which are protected by its own intellectual property and which are high margin human health medicines marketed and sold by the company’s global operations,” CSL said today.
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Re: Swine flu vaccine ... "It's a killer!"
« Reply #121 on: August 18, 2009, 07:42:51 PM »
Is the HPV Vaccine Safe?
First Major Study Released on Vaccine's Side Effects, Plus a Review of Merck's Marketing Tactics
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/18/eveningnews/main5250640.shtml
Aug. 18, 2009

(CBS) When Barbara Archiello's doctor recommended a vaccine to prevent cancer of the cervix, she jumped at the chance.

"I think it's just a great thing for women to have," Archiello said.

But the most comprehensive look at the side-effects of since the HPV vaccine was approved in 2006 raises questions about its safety, reports CBS News medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook.

In Tuesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, the CDC reported more than 12,000 side effects after 23 million doses were distributed. Ninety-four percent of the problems were not serious but 6 percent were, including patients who were hospitalized, permanently disabled or died. There were 32 deaths - one in over 700,000 doses.

"It really isn't an increase with what we've seen with other vaccines and what is seen regularly with people of that age group," said Dr. Barbara Slade, with the CDC.

But problems that did occur more frequently than expected were fainting - about once every 12,000 doses, and blood clots, once every 500,000 doses.

"The reporting on blood clots was concerning to CDC, concerning in the way that we think it needs further investigation," Slade said.

Critics question the vaccine maker's aggressive ad campaign, because it paid medical societies to help spread the word, and underplayed the importance of evaluating the vaccine's risks and benefits.

"It screeched the message, 'all women are at equal risk, protect yourself from cervical cancer, and this is the way to do it,'" said Dr. Sheila Rothman, author of the JAMA article. "The fact that the medical societies repeated this message is what concerns us."

Merck says after reviewing the new report of adverse events, it continues to be confident in the safety of the vaccine. While the CDC and FDA continue to recommend its use, doctors say they'll look at the HPV vaccine for girls and women on a case-by-case basis.

"If you're going to administer the vaccine, you should discuss these risks with your patient and do a risk assessment." Said Dr. Daniel Smith, with Hackensack University's Medical School.

Something else to consider for parents uncertain about whether to have their daughters vaccinated - Routine pap smears can also help prevent cervical cancer.
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Re: Swine flu vaccine ... "It's a killer!"
« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2009, 07:26:43 AM »
British Nurses refuse to have the swine flu vaccination



By Daniel Martin
 
Global Research, August 18, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14828
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A third of nurses will refuse to have the swine flu jab


Up to a third of nurses will say no to the swine flu jab because of concerns over its safety, a poll has found.

NHS workers are first in line for the vaccine, but a survey of 1,500 nurses found many will reject it.

Last night a Government scientist condemned the results saying nurses who do not have the jab are putting patients at risk.

Nevertheless the poll, by Nursing Times magazine, will raise questions over the Government's planned mass vaccination programme.

Of 1,500 readers, 30 per cent would not say yes to the vaccine, while 33 per cent said maybe. Just 37 per cent said they would definitely have the jab.

Of those who said they would refuse the jab, 60 per cent said their main reason was concern about the safety of the vaccine.

A further 31 per cent said they did not consider the risks to their health from swine flu to be great enough, while 9 per cent thought they would not be able to take time off work to get immunised.

Some 91 per cent described themselves as frontline nurses.

One told the magazine: 'I would not be willing to put myself at risk of unknown long-term effects to facilitate a short-term solution.'

Another added: 'I have yet to be convinced there is a genuine health risk and it's not just Government propaganda.'

But Professor David Salisbury, the Department of Health's director of immunisation, reckoned it was unfortunate nurses would 'knowingly leave themselves at risk'.

He added: 'They have a duty to their patients and they have a duty to their families. I think you solve those responsibilities by being vaccinated.'

And Chief Nursing Officer Christine Beasley insisted: 'Frontline nurses will be absolutely crucial in the height of a pandemic without them, patient care will suffer and the NHS will be stretched.

'Getting the vaccine will protect nurses and their patients. That's why we're offering frontline nurses the vaccine as a top priority.'

The jab, currently being fast tracked, will not be fully tested before it is administered.

There will be no tests at all carried out on children under three, even though babies and children at high risk will be among the first to get the vaccine.

There are also concerns the jab can cause Guillain Barre Syndrome, which can lead to paralysis and even death.

A mass swine flu vaccination in the U.S. in 1976 caused far more deaths than the disease it was designed to combat and the Health Protection Agency watchdog has asked doctors to be on the lookout for cases of GBS.

Last week Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson announced the jab will be given to high-risk groups with asthma or diabetes, as well as health workers.

Some 14million will be covered by the first wave of the vaccination programme.
 

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Re: Swine flu vaccine ... "It's a killer!"
« Reply #125 on: August 19, 2009, 07:31:01 AM »
Pandemic Vaccination - Why You Should Be Concerned



By Dr. A. True Ott
 
Global Research, August 18, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14821
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As the summer of 2009 winds down, the debate over "pandemic" vaccinations in the nation's "public" schools is beginning to ramp up.

According to the Associated Press, hundreds of public schools are "heeding the government's call to set up flu clinics in the fall, preparing for what could be the most WIDESPREAD SCHOOL VACCINATIONS since the days of polio."

Yet, despite all of the "hype" and fear-mongering, a few very important questions remain unanswered, and concerned citizens are still being left in the dark. Some basic questions should be very simple ones for Washington to answer. Who is paying for these millions of experimental vaccines? Is this yet another government "bailout program" ­ this time to enrich Big Pharma?

The single biggest question that this writer personally asked of HHS Secretary Sebelius two months ago in an "open letter" is simply: "WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS OF THE VACCINES?" Can Americans be 100% guaranteed that toxic squalene (an oil-in-water adjuvant) and live viruses will not be part of the ingredient list, since on July 13, the World Health Organization approved these substances to be included in the vaccines?

Again, I would ask Ms. Sebelius: "Please give us an INDEPENDENT analysis of the contents of the various 'vaccines' before asking us to roll up our sleeves and take the shots ­ ESPECIALLY our precious children." All we are asking for, Secretary Sebelius, is INFORMED CONSENT; instead, you consistently appear to be demanding blind, robotic TRUST as you IGNORE these basic questions.

Typically, when someone is afraid to give full and honest disclosure, it is because they have something to hide. What is the government hiding?

I would respectfully remind Secretary Sebelius that her own FDA, as well as the FTC, is the watchdog over consumer products and their safety. Various Truth in Labeling laws provide for the COMPLETE and ACCURATE listing of product ingredients on the labels. Thanks to these laws, this author can receive full disclosure of the chemicals and preservatives in a bag of Cheetos, and thus, I can make an informed decision to purchase and consume the product ­ or abstain from the same as the case may be. Nobody is forcing me, to buy and eat a bag of Cheetos. Yet, the CDC and the federal government's "health and human services" division do not seem inclined to apply these same basic consumer-protection laws to the pandemic flu vaccines. Again one must ask, "Why is this?"

Furthermore, if my bag of Cheetos happens to have some toxic mold growing in the product, which makes me deadly ill --- I have the basic right to sue the company for damages. Not so with these vaccines. Not only do we the people not know what specific chemicals and viruses are being shot directly into our bloodstreams, but again according to an Associated Press article, the vaccine companies have been given blanket immunity from lawsuits. This of course leads us to ask yet another question, "If the vaccines are so safe, why does Big Pharma need such sweeping lawsuit protections in place?"

THE EMEA PROVIDES DISCLOSURE

Over the weekend, a gentleman in Belgium sent a very interesting e-mail. He had finally succeeded in getting a document from the European Medicines Agency (EMEA -the European Union's equivalent of America's FDA) that listed the basic ingredients in the primary "pandemic flu" vaccine being purchased for Europe ­ GlaxoSmithKline's (GSK) PANDEMRIX vaccine. This EMEA Document is very, very revealing.

The vaccine consists of:

Active Substance: Pandemic influenza vaccine (H5N1) (split virion, inactivated, adjuvanted) A/VietNam/1194/2004 NIBRG-14.

Clearly, this is BIRD FLU vaccine, with the isolated antigen being the VietNam killer bird flu virus that has exhibited such a high mortality rate amongst victims in that country. The problem is, according to the WHO, the pandemic flu threatening Europe and the world is not a BIRD FLU (H5N1) virus at all, but is a "Novel" Swine Flu (H1N1) virus. How is it possible that such a specific BIRD FLU VACCINE would give any immune protection to a "Novel" Swine Flu "pandemic" virus?

It would seem that GSK is trying to unload stockpiles of its "Avian Pandemic Flu" vaccine by disguising it as a generic "Pandemic" vaccine under the name "PANDEMRIX"!! Why is the EMEA allowing this to happen? Will the FDA follow the EMEA's lead and allow "Pandemrix" bird flu viruses to be shot into millions of school children in America? Or will it be only Novartis or Novavax vaccines allowed in America? When will Americans be given FULL DISCLOSURE OF THE LABELING, and the COMPANIES UNDER CONTRACT??

Notice also that GSK's "Pandemrix" circular declares that the virus included in the vaccine has been "adjuvanted" ­ but it doesn't disclose the specific adjuvant used. It is very likely "oil-in-water" adjuvant, aka squalene ­ but this is not fully disclosed.

A very real concern of virologists worldwide is that the relatively benign "Novel" Swine Pandemic Flu threatening the world today, could turn into a much more dangerous killer if it somehow were able to blend with a known high-morbidity-producing virus, such as the VietNam strain of H5N1. It would appear that injecting millions of people with PANDREMIX "adjuvanted" H5N1 Bird Flu viruses could indeed create the 'Perfect Storm' as far as a pandemic is concerned.

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« Reply #126 on: August 19, 2009, 09:35:45 AM »
'Original antigenic sin': A threat to H1N1 vaccine effectiveness?
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Robert Roos  News Editor

Aug 18, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – Half a century ago, scientists reported evidence of some curious behavior by the immune system in humans and animals: If a host was exposed to an influenza virus and later encountered a variant strain of the same virus, the immune system responded to the second attack largely with the same weapons it used against the first one.

Like an army still fighting by the tactics of the last war, the host immune system mostly produced antibodies matched to the first virus instead of the second, resulting in a less effective defense. With a nod to theology, this phenomenon was labeled "original antigenic sin."

Today, in the face of the pandemic H1N1 flu virus, many countries are preparing to launch H1N1 vaccination campaigns this fall. Millions of people are in groups recommended to receive both seasonal flu immunizations and H1N1 vaccinations. Seasonal flu vaccine—which contains an H1N1 component, distantly related to the novel H1N1 virus—will be available sooner in most places.

This timing has caused some observers to wonder: If a person gets a seasonal flu shot and then an H1N1 dose a few weeks later, will original antigenic sin come into play and cause a poor response to the H1N1 vaccine?

Nobody knows the answer for sure, but leading flu and immunization experts say they aren't especially worried at this point. At the same time, they suggest the possibility bears watching.

"For the time being there is no cause for worry especially for vaccines because the influenza vaccines are really . . . very well known in terms of the seasonal use of these," said Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny, director of the World Health Organization's Initiative for Vaccine Research, in a recent news briefing.

But there is enough concern so that the H1N1 vaccine clinical trials recently announced by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) will look into the question. Two of the trials will examine whether giving an H1N1 vaccine and seasonal flu vaccine sequentially or simultaneously affects the immune response to either vaccine, according to the NIAID's descriptions of the trials.

Study raises issue anew
A study published recently by the Journal of Immunology raised anew the question of original antigenic sin. Saying that some recent studies have raised doubts about the existence of the phenomenon, scientists at the Emory University Vaccine Center in Atlanta used three different approaches to look for evidence of original antigenic sin in mice. They found evidence of it under certain conditions.

The scientists used two human H1N1 viruses, labeled PR8 and FM1, that emerged in the 1930s and 1940s. They sequentially immunized mice with conventional vaccines using inactivated viruses, and they immunized other mice with DNA vaccines that encoded the hemagglutinin proteins from the two strains. In a third experiment, they sequentially exposed mice to the live viruses. The interval between the two inoculations in most cases was 1 month.

In the mice sequentially immunized with conventional vaccines, the team found minimal differences in antibody responses to the two strains. However, when the mice were then challenged with a high dose of the FM1 virus, the virus multiplied in their lungs far more than it did in the lungs of control mice that had received only the FM1 vaccine.

When mice were sequentially immunized with the DNA vaccines, the team found that the antibody response to the FM1 vaccine was oriented to the PR8 (original) vaccine, and antibodies to the FM1 strain were reduced, according to the report.

However, the original antigenic sin effect was much stronger in the mice that were infected with the two live viruses. "Sequential infection with live viruses generated severely reduced neutralization Ab [antibody] responses and compromised memory responses to the second virus," the report states. The authors suggest that this phenomenon helps explain the success and prevalence of flu viruses: when they mutate, the host immune system is fooled into responding to the predecessor strain instead of the mutated one.

Antigenic distance is key
On the other hand, original antigenic sin occurs only when the new strain is closely related to one the host has seen before, the scientists write. It is not known exactly how much antigenic similarity (likeness in the amino acid sequences of the hemagglutinin protein of the two strains) between the two strains is necessary to fool the immune system, but past studies have shown that antigenically distant or dissimilar strains fail to trigger original antigenic sin.

That finding seems to suggest that original antigenic sin would not be induced by a novel H1N1 immunization soon after getting a seasonal flu vaccine, as the new virus is not considered a close relative of the H1N1 strain in the seasonal vaccine.

In fact, that's the view of Robert G. Webster, PhD, a highly respected virologist and flu expert who did some of the original research on original antigenic sin decades ago. He is based at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis.

"The antigenic distance between the seasonal H1N1 and swine flu is very large, so I don't think original antigenic sin is going to be a problem," Webster said in a recent interview.

He said that even if the phenomenon did arise, it might be possible to overcome it by using one of the newer vaccine adjuvants or by increasing the dose of vaccine. "With a larger dose, you can negate the original sin by sort of flooding the receptors with sufficient antigen to negate it," he said.

Jin H. Kim, PhD, a postdoctoral research associate at Emory and the lead author of the recent study, said the type of vaccine is important. He noted his finding that original antigenic sin was minimal when inactivated virus vaccines were used. Similarly, he said by e-mail, two recent studies found little evidence of original antigenic sin when humans received an inactivated vaccine against one seasonal flu strain and later were vaccinated against a drifted variant of that strain.

What about live-virus vaccines?
However, the finding that sequential exposure to live viruses invoked a greatly reduced response to the second virus raises the question whether the use of live attenuated vaccines for seasonal flu and the novel virus could lead to a similar response, Kim noted by e-mail. MedImmune, maker of the live attenuated seasonal vaccine FluMist, is also making a live version of novel H1N1 vaccine.

"It is [an] intriguing question whether the live attenuated vaccines would induce original antigenic sin," Kim said. "Our data show that sequential infection with related H1N1 viruses causes significant original antigenic sin and dampens the development of protective immunity. Therefore, it is possible that live attenuated swine origin H1N1 virus vaccine may behave similarly. However, it is important to note that we have not tested this in humans, thus this would be an immature conclusion at this point."

What if seasonal flu and novel H1N1 immunizations are given at the same time? John Treanor, MD, a vaccine researcher at the University of Rochester, said interference between the two vaccines is not likely to be a problem.

He noted that the seasonal vaccine itself normally contains three different strains of flu virus, and interference isn't a big concern. "In the absence of data, it's hard to be completely confident about the potential for interference when the seasonal vaccine is given at the same time as the H1N1 vaccine, but I think the hypothesis is that there will not be interference between components," he said.

Treanor commented that when two vaccines must be given in sequence rather than simultaneously, his view is that they should be separated by at least 2 weeks, mainly to prevent any confusion about attributing side effects. Cautioning that he is not an expert on original antigenic sin, he added, "I do not know if there is really any data that would suggest that such a schedule would or would not result in a decrease in the response to the novel H1N1 (or who knows, maybe an increase)," he said.

For Webster, original antigenic sin is only a minor concern in the current situation with regard to H1N1 vaccination.

"At the moment it's not a big issue, in my opinion," he said. "It's something we have at the back of our minds that we'll watch for. The new H1N1 is antigenically stable, vastly different from the seasonal H1N1, and we need to have vaccine for it wiki-wiki [very fast]."

See also:

Kim JH, Skountzou I, Compans R, et al. Original antigenic sin responses to influenza viruses. J Immunol 2009 (early online publication Jul 31) [Abstract]

Transcript of Aug 6 WHO news briefing
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/pandemic_h1n1_presstranscript_2009_08_06.pdf

Description of NIAID-sponsored trial examining sequential and simultaneous immunization of adults with seasonal and H1N1 vaccines from Sanofi Pasteur
http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00943878

Description of NIAID-sponsored trial examining sequential and simultaneous immunization of children with seasonal and H1N1 vaccines from Sanofi Pasteur
http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00943202
Let's apply this theory to the REAL case at hand, shall we?  I'm no scientist so correct me if I'm wrong.  The whole premise of the H1N1 pandemic is the fear that the current novel H1N1 strain will mutate into a more dangerous variant strain. Correct?
According to the logic in read in the quote above, if you are inoculated now, with a vaccine created from the EXISTING strain, would that not create the exact scenario for antigenic sin?  The paragraph below seems to underline my train of thought.
That finding seems to suggest that original antigenic sin would not be induced by a novel H1N1 immunization soon after getting a seasonal flu vaccine, as the new virus is not considered a close relative of the H1N1 strain in the seasonal vaccine.
Isn't the expected new H1N1 strain that is causing the panic a DIRECT RELATIVE of the recent novel H1N1 strain?
Please tell me my logic is screwed up...because if it is not, our scientists and researchers are either completely evil or rather stupid.
"Civilization" has gone completely forking mad and I am taking my family and running for the hills.

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« Reply #127 on: August 19, 2009, 10:13:35 AM »
http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/abstract/jimmunol.0900398v1
Published online July 31, 2009
The Journal of Immunology, 2009, doi:10.4049/jimmunol.0900398
Copyright © 2009 by The American Association of Immunologists, Inc.

Original Antigenic Sin Responses to Influenza Viruses1
Jin Hyang Kim, Ioanna Skountzou, Richard Compans and Joshy Jacob2
*(Abs = Antibodies)

Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Emory Vaccine Center, Yerkes National Primate Center, Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia

Most immune responses follow Burnet's rule in that Ag recruits specific lymphocytes from a large repertoire and induces them to proliferate and differentiate into effector cells. However, the phenomenon of "original antigenic sin" stands out as a paradox to Burnet's rule of B cell engagement. Humans, upon infection with a novel influenza strain, produce Abs against older viral strains at the expense of responses to novel, protective antigenic determinants. This exacerbates the severity of the current infection. This blind spot of the immune system and the redirection of responses to the "original Ag" rather than to novel epitopes were described fifty years ago. Recent reports have questioned the existence of this phenomenon. Hence, we revisited this issue to determine the extent to which original antigenic sin is induced by variant influenza viruses. Using two related strains of influenza A virus, we show that original antigenic sin leads to a significant decrease in development of protective immunity and recall responses to the second virus. In addition, we show that sequential infection of mice with two live influenza virus strains leads to almost exclusive Ab responses to the first viral strain, suggesting that original antigenic sin could be a potential strategy by which variant influenza viruses subvert the immune system.

Correspondence: 2Address correspondence and reprint requests to Dr. Joshy Jacob, 954 Gatewood Road, Emory Vaccine Center, Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia 30329. E-mail address: joshy.jacob@emory.edu

1 This work was supported by contract HHSN266 200700006C from National Institutes of Health/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. J.J. is a research scholar of the American Cancer Society.


If I am understanding this correctly, getting a 'normal' seasonal flu shot along with a 'swine' flu shot will cause the body NOT to respond with (or create) the correct antibodies.
Even if you don't get the normal flu shot but you do get the H1N1 vaccine, you still get the same scenario because you can't make a vaccine for a virus strain that doesn't exist yet!  WTH is going on?
"Civilization" has gone completely forking mad and I am taking my family and running for the hills.

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Re: Swine flu vaccine ... "It's a killer!"
« Reply #128 on: August 19, 2009, 10:27:18 AM »
Not on me...I'm one of the 700 running out into the jungle. I ain't drinking it.
Sing along now
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but there is one little word that could save your health, just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.
and if the doctor says YES, then make him take it himself - just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.
there is one little word that could save your health, just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.
and if Lawman says YES, then make him take it himself - just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.


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« Reply #129 on: August 19, 2009, 10:34:11 AM »
Sing along now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbSpPs05YAc


but there is one little word that could save your health, just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.
and if the doctor says YES, then make him take it himself - just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.
there is one little word that could save your health, just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.
and if Lawman says YES, then make him take it himself - just say NO, say NO to the vaccine.




So, apparently, in 1984, the Dana-Farber cancer institute and some Harvard public health people wanted to make vaccines with live cancer viruses in them, even though hundreds of millions around the world were already infected, and 1 out of every 200-300 people in the U.S...and that it is spread through sexual contact...but instead of using the same methods as AIDS for screening and testing, they just want to jab everyone with cancer viruses...yeeeeeeah.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=jQUOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=H24DAAAAIBAJ&pg=3301,4211190&dq=htlv-1

(Oh yeah, and they want to mess with the genes of it, to "remove the warhead gene" so that it would..."probably be harmless" after that. Were we THAT dumb back then?)

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« Reply #130 on: August 19, 2009, 01:23:22 PM »
Firms asked to skip doc's note for H1N1
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2009/aug/19/employers-asked-skip-docs-note-h1n1/print/
Joseph Weber August 19, 2009

Top U.S. officials urged businesses Wednesday to suspend the common policy of demanding a doctor's note from employees on extended sick leave to keep health clinics from potentially being overwhelmed when the new H1N1 flu strengthens this fall.

The requested was in addition to a six-page guideline that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and other top U.S. officials announced at a news conference in Washington, D.C.

"Let's not play wait and see," said Mrs. Sebelius, acknowledging some businesses might be delaying flu plans as they try to survive in the recession.

The virus -- originally called "swine flu" -- has spread into every U.S. state and around the world since discovered in Mexico in April. It was declared a pandemic two months later. The World Health Organization reports 1,462 death worldwide as a result of the virus.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano asked executives running critical U.S. infrastructures to pay special attention to the guidelines, which call for staggering shifts and cross-training employees.

Mrs. Napolitano said she visited critical cites across the country this summer -- including Gulf Coast oil refineries last week -- to urge their assistance.

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said the best idea for employees who are sick or become ill on the job is: Go home and stay home.

"In America, we tend to praise the Puritan work ethic," he said. "But this season, we need to praise the common sense ethic."

There have been 7,511 people hospitalize in U.S. and 51 death, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The WHO reports 177,457 laboratory-confirmed cases around the world and says the number is likely larger because many countries are counting cases only confirmed in clinics and testing only those with severe illness or at high risk. Officials also say as many as 2 billion people will eventually be infected.

The U.S. officials urged Americans to get flu vaccines and repeated the H1N1 vaccine would be available by early October and that pregnant employees and health-care workers should be among the first to receive a shot. Shots for seasonal flu are already available.

The government last week issued guideline for schools and next plans to issue ones for colleges and universities.
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« Reply #131 on: August 19, 2009, 01:40:26 PM »
Pediatric H1N1 "Swine Flu" Vaccine Trials Begin Herehttp://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wabe/news.newsmain/article/1/0/1543444/Atlanta/Pediatric.H1N1.'Swine.Flu'.Vaccine.Trials.Begin.Here
 
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ATLANTA, GA (WABE) - For reasons not exactly clear, researchers say the Swine Flu seems to hit young people hardest. That's led to a scramble to get approval for a vaccine, so that school-aged children can be vaccinated before a major outbreak.

Emory's Dr. Harry Keyserling is in charge of the pediatric trials here.

"People start shedding virus before they have symptoms. This is particularly true with young children. By the time you see cases within schools or daycare, it really may be too late."

For that reason, the federal government has recommended schools not cancel classes if an outbreak happens.

Researchers say after the H1N1 vaccine is administered,
it will take two to three weeks for recipients to build immunity
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« Reply #132 on: August 19, 2009, 01:43:24 PM »
Adults should stay home from work. (Just say 'no' to the puritan ethic).

Children should go to school. (If an outbreak happens, it's already "too late").

Confusing?
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« Reply #133 on: August 19, 2009, 01:47:16 PM »
Pediatric H1N1 "Swine Flu" Vaccine Trials Begin Herehttp://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wabe/news.newsmain/article/1/0/1543444/Atlanta/Pediatric.H1N1.'Swine.Flu'.Vaccine.Trials.Begin.Here
 
Jim Burress (2009-08-18)

ATLANTA, GA (WABE) - For reasons not exactly clear, researchers say the Swine Flu seems to hit young people hardest. That's led to a scramble to get approval for a vaccine, so that school-aged children can be vaccinated before a major outbreak.

Emory's Dr. Harry Keyserling is in charge of the pediatric trials here.

"People start shedding virus before they have symptoms. This is particularly true with young children. By the time you see cases within schools or daycare, it really may be too late."

For that reason, the federal government has recommended schools not cancel classes if an outbreak happens.

Researchers say after the H1N1 vaccine is administered,
it will take two to three weeks for recipients to build immunity
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© Copyright 2009, WABE

WHOA WHOA WHOA....I thought there wasn't any viral shedding with the H1N1 shot. I thought the only shedding that occurred was in the "live" H5N1 vax. Am I missing something, here?

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« Reply #134 on: August 19, 2009, 01:57:34 PM »
WHOA WHOA WHOA....I thought there wasn't any viral shedding with the H1N1 shot. I thought the only shedding that occurred was in the "live" H5N1 vax. Am I missing something, here?

It's clear that the 'authorities' running these trials are not well-enough informed, OR they're being misinformed. The 'management' of the flu vaccine trial rollouts is a dismal failure. Perhaps because it's hard to make a clear 'story' when you're entire program is full of deceit.
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New Government Swine Flu Document Reveals Plans For Mass Graves

The British government has drawn up plans to create mass graves to deal with deaths resulting from the promised swine flu outbreak this Autumn.

New laws would also pave the way for “streamlined” mass cremations

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New Government Swine Flu Document Reveals Plans For Mass Graves 190809vaccination2 The British government has drawn up plans to create mass graves to deal with deaths resulting from the promised swine flu outbreak this Autumn.

A newly drafted Home Office document, entitled The Framework for Planners Preparing to Manage Deaths, states that mass burial sites may be required to cope with the pandemic.

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It's clear that the 'authorities' running these trials are not well-enough informed, OR they're being misinformed. The 'management' of the flu vaccine trial rollouts is a dismal failure. Perhaps because it's hard to make a clear 'story' when you're entire program is full of deceit.

No, I'm wrong. They were talking about the viral shedding. But, haven't they already been exposed to the flu that broke out in april from mexico. If they're talking about the H5N1 flumist, ALONG with the H1N1 vaccine, how in God's name do they know that the people that get the H1N1 shot won't acquire H5N1 while the person next to them is shedding it, eventually making the H5N1 revert to virulence?

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« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2009, 02:34:24 PM »
Here's the nail in the coffin:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/13inmate_ProjectMKULTRA.pdf

Look on pp. 155-158 (ESPECIALLY 157-158)...Think vaccines.

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« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2009, 03:10:50 PM »
Here's the nail in the coffin:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/13inmate_ProjectMKULTRA.pdf

Look on pp. 155-158 (ESPECIALLY 157-158)...Think vaccines.

Sorry if this is O/T, but that publication needs serious exposure as it goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond vaccines...

Dynomite publication that is a must have in my opinion.  People still deny that MK Ultra existed.  Also notice the description of the program:

"MKULTRA, THE CIA'S PROGRAM OF RESEARCH IN BEHAVIOURAL MODIFICATION"

Now look at all of the wonderful programs going on today in the field of "BEHAVIOURAL MODIFICATION"


Socio and others...download this one quickly, I do not think this information was intended to reach 7 billion humans: www.csc.com/about_us/uploads/lef_presents_the_edge.pdf

Even your clothing will have behaviour modification technology in the future.
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« Reply #139 on: August 19, 2009, 03:22:53 PM »

My company HCA who is the LARGEST PRIVATE OPERATOR OF HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD is trying to "force" swine flu innoculations. Here is the prison planet link for those who want to read the HCA memo:



http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=127315.0

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Sane, thanx.
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No, I'm wrong. They were talking about the viral shedding. But, haven't they already been exposed to the flu that broke out in april from mexico. If they're talking about the H5N1 flumist, ALONG with the H1N1 vaccine, how in God's name do they know that the people that get the H1N1 shot won't acquire H5N1 while the person next to them is shedding it, eventually making the H5N1 revert to virulence?

Its history; Germany 1870 and 1871 smallpox was rampant over 1,000,000 persons had the disease and 120,000 died. Ninety Six percent of these had been vaccinated. Most victims were vaccinated shortly before they took the disease. In 1888 Bismarck sent to the government numerous eczematous diseases, even those of an epidemic nature, were directly attributable to vaccination. Why do dreaded plagues of the past survive? The answer is vaccination.



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Its history; Germany 1870 and 1871 smallpox was rampant over 1,000,000 persons had the disease and 120,000 died. Ninety Six percent of these had been vaccinated. Most victims were vaccinated shortly before they took the disease. In 1888 Bismarck sent to the government numerous eczematous diseases, even those of an epidemic nature, were directly attributable to vaccination. Why do dreaded plagues of the past survive? The answer is vaccination.




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« Reply #143 on: August 19, 2009, 04:44:38 PM »
i would love some links on this

http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public_health/truth_re_smallpox_vaccine.htm

The True History Of Smallpox

By Ian Sinclair

In England, compulsory vaccination against smallpox was first introduced in 1852, yet in the period 1857 to 1859, a smallpox epidemic killed 14,244 people.  In 1863 to 1865, a second epidemic claimed 20,059 lives.  In 1867, a more stringent compulsory vaccination law was passed and those who evaded vaccination were prosecuted.  After an intensive four-year effort to vaccinate the entire population between the ages of 2 and 50, the Chief Medical Officer of England announced in May 1871 that 97.5 percent had been vaccinated.  In the following year, 1872, England experienced its worst-ever smallpox epidemic, which claimed 44,840 lives.  Between 1871 and 1880, during the period of compulsory vaccination, the death rate from smallpox leapt from 28 to 46 per 100,000 population.

Writing in the British Medical Journal (Jan. 21, 1928 p.116), Dr. L. Parry questioned the vaccination statistics, which revealed a higher death rate amongst the vaccinated than the unvaccinated, and asked the questions:

    "How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated?  "How is it that in some of our most highly vaccinated towns -- for example, Bombay and Calcutta -- smallpox is rife, whilst in some of our most poorly vaccinated towns, such as Leicester, it is almost unknown?  How is it that something like 80 percent of the cases admitted into the Metropolitan Asylums Board smallpox hospitals have been vaccinated, whilst only 20 percent have not been vaccinated?"

    "How is it that in Germany -- the best-vaccinated country in the world -- there are more deaths in proportion to the population than in England?  For example, in 1919, there were 28 deaths in England, 707 In Germany;  in 1920, 30 deaths in England, 354 In Germany.  In Germany in 1919, there were 5,012 cases of smallpox with 707 deaths;  in England in 1925, there were 5,363 cases of smallpox, with 6 deaths.  What is the explanation?"

In Scotland, between 1855-1875, over 9,000 children under 5 died of smallpox despite Scotland being, at that time, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world.  In 1907 to 1919, with only a third of the children vaccinated, only 7 smallpox deaths were recorded for children under 5 years of age.

In Germany, in the years 1870-1871, over 1,000,000 people had smallpox, of which 120,000 died.  96 percent of these had been vaccinated.  An address sent to the governments of the various German states from Bismarck, the Chancellor of Germany, contained the following comment: "the hopes placed in the efficacy of the cowpox virus as preventative of smallpox have proved entirely deceptive."

In the Philippines, prior to U.S. takeover in 1905, case mortality from smallpox was about 10%.  In 1905, following the commencement of systematic vaccination enforced by the U.S. government, an epidemic occurred where the case mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands.  In 1918-1919 with over 95 percent of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippines’ history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65 percent.  The highest percentage occurred in the capital, Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place.  The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place, owing to religious prejudices.  Dr. V. de Jesus, Director of Health, stated that the 1918-1919 smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths.  The 1920 Report of the Philippines Health Service contains the following indictment of the vaccination campaign:

    "From the time in which smallpox was practically eradicated in the city of Manila, to the year 1918 (about 9 years) in which the epidemic appears -- certainly in one of its severest forms -- hundreds after hundreds of thousands of people were yearly vaccinated, with the most unfortunate result that the 1918 epidemic looks, prima facie, as a flagrant failure of the classic immunization towards future epidemics."

In Japan in 1885, 13 years after compulsory vaccination commenced there in 1872, a law was passed requiring re-vaccination every seven years.  From 1886 to 1892, 25,474,370 revaccinations were recorded in Japan.  Yet during this same period, Japan had 156,175 cases of smallpox with 38,979 deaths, representing a case mortality of nearly 25 percent.  In 1896, the Japanese Parliament passed another act requiring every Japanese resident to be vaccinated and re-vaccinated every 5 years.  Between 1889 and 1908, there were 171,611 smallpox cases with 47,919 deaths -- a case mortality of 30 percent.  This case mortality exceeds the smallpox death rate of the pre-vaccination period when nobody was vaccinated.  It is noteworthy that Australia at this time -- one of the least-vaccinated countries in the world for smallpox -- had only three smallpox cases in 15 years, in comparison with Japan's record of 165,775 cases and 28,979 deaths, in merely a 6-year period of compulsory vaccination and re-vaccination.

In an article, "Vaccination In Italy", which appeared in the New York Medical Journal, July 1899, Charles Rauta, Professor of Hygiene and Material Medical in the University of Perguia, Italy, wrote:

    "Italy is one of the best-vaccinated countries in the world, if not the best of all.  For twenty years before 1885, our nation was vaccinated in the proportion of 98.5 percent.  Notwithstanding, the epidemics of smallpox that we have had have been something so frightful that nothing before the invention of vaccination could equal them.  During 1887, we had 16,249 deaths from smallpox; in 1888, we had 18,110, and in 1889, 131,413."

    "Vaccination is a monstrosity;  a misbegotten offspring of error and ignorance.  It should have no place in either hygiene or medicine.  Believe not in vaccination;  it is a world-wide delusion, an unscientific practice, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end."

From his book, The Vaccination Superstition, J.W. Hodge, M.D., ex-Public Vaccinator of Lockport, New York wrote:

    "After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31,000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox."

    "Vaccination does not protect;  it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing vital power and diminishing natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated."

In the USA, June 25th, 1937, Dr. William Howard Hay addressed the Medical Freedom Society regarding the Lemke Bill to abolish compulsory vaccination.  He stated:

    "I have thought many times of all the insane things we have advocated in medicine, that one of the most insane was to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox.

    "I know of one epidemic of smallpox comprising nine hundred and some cases, in which 95 percent of the infected had been vaccinated, and most of them recently.

    "It is now thirty years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic disease.  I have run across so many histories of children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated, and who have never seen a well day since.

    "In England, where statistics are kept a little more frankly and accurately and above-board than in this country (USA), the actual official records show three times as many deaths directly from vaccinations, as there were from smallpox for the past twenty-one years.  I will guarantee that there are three times as many deaths that were not recorded, that are directly traceable to vaccinations.  That doesn't take into account the many many cases of encephalitis or sleeping sickness, and of this or that form of degeneration, that occurs as the result of vaccination.

    "It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus -- and it is usually from the pustule end of the dead smallpox victim -- it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in any way improve its health.  What is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunization, so called, if we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it.

    "The body has its own methods of defense.  These depend on the vitality of the body at the time.  If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections;  if it isn't vital enough, it won't.  And you can't change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it."

According to the official figures of the Register General of England, only 109 children (under 5) in England and Wales died of smallpox in the twenty-three years ending December 1933.  But 270 died of vaccinations in the same period in these two countries.  Between 1934 and 1961, not one smallpox death was recorded, and yet during this same period, 115 children under 5 years of age died as a result of the smallpox vaccination.  This ultimately forced the government to repeal the Vaccination Act for smallpox.

The situation was just as bad in the USA.  An article in the July 1969 issue of Prevention Magazine stated that 300 children in the USA died from the complications of smallpox vaccine since 1948.  Yet during that same period there was not one reported case of smallpox in the country.  In October 1971, Dr. Samuel Katz, Duke University Medical Centre, speaking at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said that an average of six to nine individuals die each year from smallpox vaccinations.  Authorities eventually abandoned the vaccine, as Dr. Archie Kalokerinos of Australia points out:

    "About 10 to 15 years ago, some of my colleagues in the United States gave me some very interesting information.  They said that smallpox vaccination had been stopped, not because smallpox had been wiped out, but because they were having trouble with the vaccine.  They would vaccinate an individual and that individual would give active smallpox to a contact.  The whole thing was out of control and they weren't game to use it."

This is probably why Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization's advisory panel on viruses has stated, "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself." 

Even the British Medical Journal (1/5/1976) stated:  "It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection in Britain."

    "Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship ... To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others, will constitute the Bastille of medical science."

    -- Benjamin Rush, M.D.
    Signatory to the Declaration of Independence
    Physician to George Washington

    "If humanity is to pass safely through its present crisis on earth, it will be because a majority of individuals are now doing their own thinking."

    -- Buckminster Fuller

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Re: Swine flu vaccine ... "It's a killer!"
« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2009, 04:50:57 PM »
The frigging new swine flu vaccine in concert with the seasonal flu vaccine is going to cause the immune system to recognize the NEWer strain as the same old strain and will therefore NOT produce new antibodies against the newest mutation.
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"Civilization" has gone completely forking mad and I am taking my family and running for the hills.

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« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2009, 05:47:10 PM »
i would love some links on this

Sane, reference is from Philosophy of Natural Therapeutics by Dr. Henry Lindahr.
http://www.healing.org/Nature%20Cure%20PDF/Chap%2019%20Nature%20Cure%202000.pdf


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« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2009, 07:52:54 PM »
Sane, reference is from Philosophy of Natural Therapeutics by Dr. Henry Lindahr.
http://www.healing.org/Nature%20Cure%20PDF/Chap%2019%20Nature%20Cure%202000.pdf



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« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2009, 10:27:38 PM »
thanks to you and chris for the valuable info.

You are most welcome Sane, Lindlahr's Sanitarium (Chicago's Ashland Boulevard) during the flu epidemic of 1918-1919 three hundred cases were successfully treated without a single death; while at the Cook County Hospital just across the street, fifty-four deaths occurred of three hundred cases treated by allopathic medical methods. (Hale 1926, 218)

Certainly we fail, he wrote, but our failures are usually due to the fact that sick people, as a rule, do not consider Nature Cure methods except as a last resort. (Lindlahr 1922, 223) Lindlahr realized that the heart of his health message was also his biggest public relations problem. "The greatest drawback to the spreading of the Nature Cure idea," he wrote "is the necessity of self-control which it imposes. (H Lindlahr 1922, 419)

Every one of Lindlahr's patients received a very thorough examination from head to foot, which lasted from two to four days.





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« Reply #148 on: August 19, 2009, 11:09:58 PM »
Be an informed consumer about vaccines
http://www.thesunnews.com/opinion/v-print/story/1029674.html
By Ann Dunham Posted on Wed, Aug. 19, 2009

In a couple of months we all will have an opportunity to receive regular flu and swine flu vaccines. Prior to your proceeding I hope you will research this issue and reconsider both child and adult vaccination regimens.

I have read numerous sources that say the regular flu shot contains substances such as egg protein, avian contaminant viruses, formaldehyde (carcinogen), resin and gelatin (allergens), mercury (toxic metal), detergent, an antibiotic, sugar and polysorbate 80 (causes infertility in mice).

I have asked for a listing of ingredients in the H1N1 virus from the Department of Health and Human Services and have not received a listing yet. I am sure the contents will be equally shocking.

The HPV vaccine contains aluminum, which can cause all kinds of problems. Gardasil (for HPV) has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity or genotoxicity. According to Merck's Web site the most frequently reported serious adverse experiences for Gardasil were headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis and pelvic inflammatory disease.

Through May www.vaers.hhs.gov lists 9,313 adverse vaccine events across the country from January through May. For 2008, 30,004 events are listed.

One of the possible adverse reactions to a vaccine is death.

Research will also find that flu shots do not work for babies, adults or elderly adults. See The Cochrane Database of Systematic reviews.

Jane Burgermeister, an Austrian investigative journalist, charges that the H1N1 flu was genetically engineered. I have read this charge from several others as well, including a doctor in Charleston. He and other professionals recommend supplements such as D3 (2,000 to 3,000 IU per person per day), A, C, fish oil and zinc.
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« Reply #149 on: August 19, 2009, 11:10:42 PM »
Ow! 3 shots needed to combat flu this season
http://www.thesunnews.com/155/v-print/story/1012637.html
By Mike StobbeThe Associated Press Posted on Thu, Aug. 06, 2009

Get ready to roll up your sleeve three times for flu shots this fall.

That's right, three times. This year's flu season is shaping up to be a very different one. Most people will need one shot for the regular seasonal flu and probably two others to protect against the new swine flu.

Experts suggest you get that first shot as early as this month - if you can find it.

"We'd like to get to Job 1 and get most of it done," said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University flu expert, referring to seasonal flu vaccinations.

"Get it done before we start to tackle Job 2," the more complex task of swine flu vaccinations, he added.

The five vaccine manufacturers that supply the U.S. are finishing up production of seasonal flu vaccine earlier than usual. Health officials say they expect about half of the more than 120 million doses of seasonal vaccine to be available by the end of this month. Most of the rest are due out by the end of September. Some manufacturers report that distributors are quickly buying up supplies.

Those five companies - including one that makes a nasal spray version of flu vaccine - are the same ones making the new swine flu vaccine. They are on track to start delivering the first batches of that in September, but the bulk of it isn't expected until late October or November.

That's sparked questions about how all this is going to work.

Officials want to get as many people as possible vaccinated against both forms of flu, but a lot of that depends on consumers and how many trips they'll be willing to make to get shots.

Why can't you get one shot for all - or maybe just two?

Scientists believe the swine flu vaccine will be most effective if given in two doses, about three weeks apart, although testing is still under way to check that.

Combining swine flu and seasonal flu in one shot is theoretically possible, but it was too late to try it this year. Decisions were made last winter about what flu strains to use in this year's seasonal vaccine, and production was too far along by the time swine flu hit in April to alter the formula.

So seasonal flu and swine flu will have to be given as separate doses, even if it's during the same appointment.

But it's not a matter of just giving both to whoever comes in. Supplies are expected to be limited, so the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has two different lists for who should be first to get the seasonal flu shot and who should be first to get the swine flu shot.

For the regular flu vaccine, elderly people, health care workers and pregnant women are among the priority groups. For the swine flu vaccine, health care workers and pregnant women are on the list but not older people, who seem to have immunity to swine flu.

If all the flu shots were given at about the same time, it could mean a mash of people, some of whom should be among the first to get one shot and not the other.

Then, there are safety questions.

Health officials are haunted by the swine flu vaccine campaign in 1976, which was stopped after unexpectedly high numbers of patients suffered a paralyzing condition called Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Health officials want to carefully monitor people who get the new swine flu vaccine for any problems.
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« Reply #150 on: August 19, 2009, 11:36:08 PM »
For all the guys who have wives, girlfriends, young daughters, or little sisters out there,

On top of the three swine flu vaccines, the nwo wants that special woman in your life to receive the HPV vaccine (another genetically-modified virus, except this one has cancer viruses instead of flu viruses)...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/17/AR2009081702058.html
Speaking of Vaccinations . . .
Flu's Not the Only Ill That Might Merit a Preventive Shot

By Rachel Saslow
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 18, 2009

All the vaccine buzz is about the H1N1 virus right now, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is reminding Americans to make sure all of their vaccinations are up-to-date. The CDC encourages adults to guard against vaccine-preventable diseases such as shingles, human papillomavirus (HPV), tetanus, meningitis, whooping cough and pneumococcal disease.
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      Speaking of Vaccinations . . .
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      When to Get Which Shots

If getting those shots hadn't occurred to you, you're not alone. A survey released last month by the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID) found that about three-quarters of American adults were extremely or very familiar with only two vaccine-preventable diseases: influenza and chickenpox. (See chart for the recommended vaccination schedule.)

Young adults, defined as ages 18 to 26 for the survey, tend to be especially complacent about vaccination. "This is not that surprising, because they have been well-protected against these diseases and have little or no experience with the manifestations," says Susan J. Rehm, the medical director of NFID.
(Oh, so we're not well-informed, well-educated citizens, then? We're just retarded, ignorant children who need to be taught to take our loving vaccines!)

For example, less than half of the young adults surveyed knew that tetanus causes lockjaw and that one should be vaccinated against tetanus every 10 years; 84 percent of adults 50 and older knew this. (Appealing to the old people, who want to be told that they're wise, even if they're as dumb as a pile of rocks)

Shingles, which is caused by the same virus that causes chickenpox and results in a painful, sometimes debilitating rash, strikes fear into people who have seen its effects firsthand, but that hasn't translated into mass vaccination: Only 7 percent of Americans who are supposed to receive the shot -- people age 60 or older -- have done so. The shingles vaccine has only been approved by the Food and Drug Administration since 2006. The vaccination costs $200 to $500, depending on how much a doctor charges for buying and handling the delicate medicine, which must remain frozen until shortly before it is injected.

"In my adult practice, if you say the word 'shingles' in that visit, you can tell immediately if that patient has had direct contact with somebody who has had shingles," says Robert H. Hopkins, an Arkansas doctor who is involved in local and national efforts to improve immunization rates. "If they've had direct contact with somebody who's had shingles in their family, in their neighborhood, in church, most of them will say, 'I don't care what it costs, I want to prevent it.' "


At a July 22 NFID news conference, Hopkins and other doctors tried mightily to stay focused on their message of encouraging adults to get vaccinated, but they kept bumping into health-care-reform issues: Discussion of the pricey shingles vaccine brought up questions about Medicare and prescription drug costs. The role of primary care doctors in educating patients about appropriate vaccines led to discussion of the shortage of general practitioners; reasons for that shortage include a medical system that rewards specialized services over prevention.

Vaccination is a perfect example of good preventive, evidence-based medicine, said CDC physician Anne Schuchat: "There's a need for culture change in America, where we worry about things when they're really bad rather than taking care of prevention and wellness." (What does that even mean?)

So, that would make it....6 adjuvanted vaccines in one year?
You would have to be CLINICALLY INSANE to take THAT MANY shots with adjuvants in them (like mf59/as03 and alum) in such a short time.



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Only a third of nurses willing to have swine flu vaccine
« Reply #151 on: August 20, 2009, 12:05:03 AM »
Only a third of nurses willing to have swine flu vaccine




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Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:00 UTC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/6043612/Only-a-third-of-nurses-willing-to-have-swine-flu-vaccine-poll.html

Only a third of nurses have said they are willing to have the vaccine against swine flu amid fears it has not been tested enough, a survey has found.

Frontline health and social care workers will be among the first to be vaccinated in October along with people with serious underlying health problems and pregnant women.

However a survey by Nursing Times has found many frontline nurses have reservations.

Only one in three said they are prepared to have the H1N1 vaccine with a third undecided and the rest saying no.

Almost 1,500 nurses were polled, of whom 91 per cent said they were frontline.

It comes after news that parents are also concerned about the vaccine, with worries predominantly about the safety of its contents, side effects, and the amount of testing that will be done.

Of the nurses who said they would not get vaccinated, 60 per cent said concern about the safety of the vaccine was the main reason.

A further 31 per cent said they did not consider the risks to their health from swine flu to be great enough, while nine per cent thought they would not be able to take time out of work to get immunised.

"I would not be willing to put myself at risk of, as yet, unknown long-term effects to facilitate a short-term solution," said one respondent.

A further respondent said: "I have yet to be convinced there is a genuine health risk (from swine flu) and it's not just government propaganda."

Professor David Salisbury, the Department of Health's director of immunisation, told Nursing Times it was unfortunate that nurses could 'knowingly leave themselves at risk'.

He said: "They have a duty to themselves, they are at risk. They have a duty to their patients not to infect their patients and they have a duty to their families. I think you solve those responsibilities by being vaccinated."

With regards to safety concerns about the vaccines, he added: "The evidence that we've had is sufficient to persuade the regulators that these are vaccines that will be licensed."

Over two million frontline health and social care staff will be offered the vaccine in order to stop staff falling ill and being off work ill and also to prevent them from passing on the H1N1 vaccine or catching it from patients they will be treating.

Christine Beasley, the Government's Chief Nursing Officer, said: "Frontline nurses will be absolutely crucial in the height of a pandemic - without them, patient care will suffer, and the NHS will be stretched.

"Getting the swine flu vaccine will protect nurses and their patients. That's why we're offering frontline nurses the vaccine as a top priority. As well as protecting them, it will reduce the transmission of the virus to vulnerable patients.

"Of course, vaccination will be optional, but the vaccine is being carefully assessed for safety and will be licensed before it is used. "
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Swine Flu Hype
« Reply #152 on: August 20, 2009, 12:13:23 AM »
just saw on C Span tonight everyone  in Washington warning of the coming pandemic this fall.They were instructing people,schools,businesses of the steps they should take to control the virus.After a few questions they  instructed that methods to deal with this upcoming pandemic can and will change.These people are doing nothing but promoting fear.They recommend that everyone[except babies] should take the new vacine.Ain,t gonna happen in my house.This seems the way they will enforce martial law when people will refuse to obey them when they state it will be mandatory....

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« Reply #153 on: August 20, 2009, 01:02:02 AM »
Only a third of nurses willing to have swine flu vaccine

Surprise, surprise

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"Of course, vaccination will be optional, but the vaccine is being carefully assessed for safety and will be licensed before it is used. "

Yeah, it'll be killing people with paralysis, and the FDA'll say "it's all gravy, baby! Roll up yer sleeve!" just like they did with the gardasil, the mercury, and the melamine.

Don't you get it, nwo? YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE WOKEN UP TO YOUR CRAP, AND THEY'RE NOT FALLING FOR IT AGAIN. BACK OFF.


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« Reply #154 on: August 20, 2009, 04:52:41 PM »
Fear, Intimidation & Media Disinformation: U.K Government is Planning Mass Graves in Case of H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic
http://www.infowars.com/fear-intimidation-media-disinformation-u-k-government-is-planning-mass-graves-in-case-of-h1n1-swine-flu-pandemic/
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August 20, 2009

An official UK government report –quoted extensively in Britain’s tabloid media– is warning the British public that there will be countless deaths in the case of a swine flu pandemic. According to the WHO, a Worlwide public health emergency situation will take place in the Fall.    
   
Amply documented and denied by Western governments, the proposed vaccines could result in more deaths than those caused by the H1N1 influenza.
   
A high death toll is predicted without corroborating evidence.

The official report confirms government plans to set up mass graves for the victims of the swine flu pandemic: 

“Plans for mass graves have been drawn up to cope with a second wave of swine flu this Autumn. The chilling proposals are spelled out in a Home Office document discussed at a meeting of Whitehall officials and council leaders last month.

It warns emergency plans may be needed in areas where there are not enough graves to cope.

The 59-page document talks about using “a grave that is for a number of unrelated persons, excavated mechanically in advance and designed for efficient preparation and use”. (The Sun, Augsut 19, 2009)

The mass graves, according to the report, “are being planned to deal with the rising death toll from swine flu if the pandemic escalates”:

“The grim revelation will see the mass burial sites dug in advance to cope with any potential crisis.

The Government is planning to create a series of communal graves to cope with the second outbreak expected in the autumn and through the winter.

A Home Office document published earlier this year sets out plans for how local councils should deal with a high death toll – estimates of the number of deaths range from 55,000 to as high as 750,000 from the H1N1 killer virus – including setting up temporary mortuaries.

So far, 44 people in England have been confirmed as dying after contracting swine flu and another five have died in Scotland. The document says that while most cemeteries have sufficient burial capacity for a number of years, this could be put to the test at the peak of a pandemic. (Daily Express, August 19, 2009)

The chilling proposals contained in the government report serve to intimidate the British public and create an atmosphere of panic. A public health crisis is being planned in a diabolical fashion. .

The report suggests unequivocally that there will be countless deaths resulting from the level 6 WHO pandemic, which require the development of mass graves: 

Within weeks of a full-blown pandemic emerging, the number of burials could more than double. Inner city areas “may experience a shortage of grave space”, the report stated.

Freight containers and “inflatable” storage units may be needed to provide extra mortuary space. But it stated that “refrigerated vehicles and trailers should not be used”.

Other contingency plans being suggested were the need for cemeteries and crematoriums to work seven days a week and to hire extra staff to cope with demand.

There may also be a need for more “basic and shorter services at the chapel” or for “memorial services” to be held at a person’s home instead.

Retired doctors could be called back to work to issue death certificates so GPs can focus on patients, while NHS Blood and Transplant has appealed to the public to give blood to ensure banks were well stocked.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: “This is prudent, precautionary planning that has been taking place over a number of years, with the health service, other essential services and local authorities. It is important to stress that these are possible scenarios, not certainties, so that our stakeholders can plan for the worst and be prepared to deal with the outbreak effectively.” (Ibid)

These assertions are totally fabricated. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support these claims.

Realities are turned upside down. The British government is deliberately misleading the British public. 

With some exceptions, the British media bears a heavy burden of responsibility in failing to analyse these “authoritative” statements emanating from Her Majesty’s Government. 

The WHO has not provided the evidence, nor has the British  government.

There is ample evidence, documented in numerous reports, that the WHO’s level 6 pandemic alert is based on fabricated evidence and a manipulation of the figures on mortality and morbidity resulting from the N1H1 swine flu.

The data initially used to justify the WHO’s Worldwide level 5 alert in April 2009 was extremely scanty.

 The WHO asserted without evidence that a “global outbreak of the disease is imminent”. It distorted Mexico’s mortality data pertaining to the swine flu pandemic. According to the WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan in her official April 29 statement: “So far, 176 people have been killed in Mexico”. From what? Where does she get these numbers? 159 died from influenza out of which only seven deaths, corroborated by lab analysis, resulted from the H1N1 swine flu strain, according to the Mexican Ministry of Health.

The swine flu has the same symptoms as seasonal influenza: fever, cough and sore throat. What is happening is that the widespread incidence of the common flu is being used to generate the data pertaining to the H1N1 swine flu.

And all of sudden, the British authorities are predicting widespread mortality resulting from an influenza related ailment. What is the evidence. Big Pharma is behind the official reports and the media disinformation campaign.

Similarly, in the US the intervention of the military (as well as martial law provisions) are being envisaged in the case of a public health emergency.

Is this emergency being planned ahead of time. Are these various national emergencies (Britain, France UK) being coordinated through inter-governmental consultations, which serves to trigger a Worldwide public health emergency, based on fabricated evidence?

Deadly Vaccines

On the other hand, amply documented and denied by Western governments, the proposed vaccines could result in more deaths than those caused by the H1N1 influenza, as confirmed by Britain’s Health Protection Agency:

 A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

* More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
* 500 cases of GBS were detected.
* The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
* The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
* The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected. (Mail on Sunday, August 16, 2009)

The British government has announced that more than 13 million people will be innoculated. The proposed vaccines for the H1N1 swine flu have not, as yet, been tested.
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« Reply #155 on: August 20, 2009, 06:50:53 PM »
Is this a sign that they're backpedaling? Maybe the pushback from folks calling BS on their hype and toxic vaccine has become to strong for them to continue their little scam. I think if the big media outlets start carrying this kind of story it'll signal their intent to drop the whole thing.
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Swine flu cases continue to fall

20 Aug 09

By Lilian Anekwe

The number of people consulting their GP with suspected swine has continued to fall, the latest figures from the Health Protection Agency show.

Figures published today reveal the number of GP-consultation for influenza-like illness fell from 30.9 per 100,000 of the population last week to 21.1 per 100,000 of the population.

But fewer than one in ten patients consulting GPs and the National Pandemic Flu Service actually have true swine flu, as proven by the HPA’s virological sampling, compared with around half of cases in a normal flu season.

Speaking today, chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson said that though swine flu activity had fallen substantially since school closed earlier in the summer, the number of people in hospital and intensive care with swine flu remained unusually high.

‘It’s very exceptional at this time of year to have people in hospital or intensive care with flu,' he said. 'It’s an unusual feature to have it at this time of year even at the levels we have got.'
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As of yesterday 263 people were hospitalised with swine flu, 30 were in intensive care and 54 people – ten more than last week – have died in England either as a direct result of, or after having contracted, swine flu. Five further deaths have been recorded in Scotland, bringing the total UK death toll to 59.

An estimated 11,000 cases of swine flu were diagnosed in the last week, Sir Liam said, again much lower than the 100,000 cases per week diagnosed earlier in the summer.

The apparent end of the first wave of the swine flu pandemic has forced the Government to revise its prediction, made by health secretary Andy Burnham in July, that cases of swine flu would spiral to ‘100,000 a day by the end of August’.

Negotiations between the Department of Health and GPC negotiators over the financing of the swine flu vaccination campaign in priority at-risk groups are ongoing.




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« Reply #156 on: August 20, 2009, 09:43:28 PM »
Swine flu cases continue to fall
This is what normally happens in cases of outbreaks. Infections start falling- then they start vaccinating and claim the vaccines worked because infections fell after they started mass vaccinating.
I predict that after they begin mass vaccinating, this news of reduced swine flu cases will go on mainstream news, they will claim success; thousands of people will died or suffer permanent damage from the vaccine itself, but they will say, "the numbers of adverse reactions are acceptable, at least we stopped a pandemic."

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« Reply #157 on: August 20, 2009, 09:48:20 PM »
This is what normally happens in cases of outbreaks. Infections start falling- then they start vaccinating and claim the vaccines worked because infections fell after they started mass vaccinating.
I predict that after they begin mass vaccinating, this news of reduced swine flu cases will go on mainstream news, they will claim success; thousands of people will died or suffer permanent damage from the vaccine itself, but they will say, "the numbers of adverse reactions are acceptable, at least we stopped a pandemic."

Unless there's a second wave.

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« Reply #158 on: August 20, 2009, 09:56:12 PM »
UK Government Prepares Mass Graves for "Swine Flu Victims"




Official: plan for 'multiple graves in swine flu pandemic

Daily Mail
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207592/Mass-graves-used-autumn-bout-swine-flu.html

he government is planning to create a series of mass graves to cope with a second outbreak of swine flu in the autumn.

A Home Office document warns that a mass burial site may be needed to cope with the potential crisis.

The proposals were discussed between government officials and council bosses last month, and will affect those areas where there may not be enough graves for victims of the illness.

Within weeks of a full-blown pandemic, the number of burials could more than double and inner city areas "may experience a shortage of grave space", according to the report.

The Framework for Planners Preparing to Manage Deaths, discusses using "a grave that is for a number of unrelated persons, excavated mechanically in advance and designed for efficient preparation and use."

It said this approach would create a "burial site for multiple graves and consecutive burials" but added there must still be "marking of the position of individual burials".

It added that some cemeteries"may experience shortage of grave space, in particular in inner city areas".

Freight containers and "inflatable" storage units may be needed to provide extra mortuary space. But it stated that "refrigerated vehicles and trailers should not be used".

During the meeting, in which a senior official from Westminster council, gave a presentation, officials discussed the need for cemeteries and crematoriums to work seven days a week and the hiring of extra staff to cope.

The report also warned there may be a need for more "basic and shorter services at the chapel" or for "memorial services" to be held at a person's home instead.

Whitehall officials are also speaking to coffin makers to see if they could meet demands.

Retired doctors may also be called back to work to issue death certificates so GPs can focus on patients.

According to the document it may no longer be possible to bury some people in family plots and it may also become impossible to fly home the bodies of Britons who die abroad.

Meanwhile, NHS Blood and Transplant appealed to the public to give blood to avoid stocks being reduced over the autumn and winter as regular donors fall ill with swine flu. People cannot give blood when they have flu so it is important to keep the blood banks well stocked, it warned.

Comment: Another article suggests that "Estimates of the number of deaths range from 55,000 to as high as 750,000." http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=377%3Auk-government-prepares-mass-graves-for-qswine-flu-victimsq&catid=41%3Atop-headlines&lang=en
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« Reply #159 on: August 20, 2009, 11:52:46 PM »
The Proliferating Secrecy and Governmental Deceptions Surrounding Swine Flu Vaccines and Medications
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/115263
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The proliferating secrecy and Governmental deceptions surrounding the Swine Flu vaccines are out of control: a confidential letter, reportedly leaked to the Daily Mail, has been sent from The UK's Health Protection Agency (HPA) -- the official entity that oversees public health in the UK -- to senior neurologists, warning that the new Swine Flu vaccine to be used for the questionable 'Swine Flu Pandemic' has been linked to Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), leading to increasing demands wanting to know why the information was not given to the public the HPA allegedly oversees before giving the potentially deadly vaccine to millions of people and increasing reports of adverse reactions to Relenza and Tamiflu, two other anti-viral drugs used to treat the symptoms of the Swine Flu are becoming more frequent.

The letter from the HPA to the neurologists warns them to be alert for an increase in GBS cases that could be triggered by the controversial vaccines. GBS is a disorder in which your body's immune system attacks part of your peripheral nervous system resulting in paralysis and the inability to breath. GBS can be fatal. The letter was sent to about 600 neurologists near the end of last month.

The HPA letter references the manufactured Swine Flu pandemic from the U.S. in 1976 when more people died from the vaccination than the Swine Flu. One recent Examiner report said that over 111,000 people had died from the Swine Flu. Where it got those figures I don't know, but those figures aren't even close to the truth. The propaganda parade is in full swing and it appears that history is about to repeat itself.

Subjects Receiving Vaccines Appear to be Guinea Pigs

According to the Daily Mail, the British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to closely monitor any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out. There are growing concerns that this is going to be another case of the fraudulent 1976 Swine Flu debacle all over again.

The Swine Flu virus in some of the new vaccines is slightly different from the one created in 1976 that killed more people than the actual Swine Flu did, but the possibility of increased incidences of GBS remain a concern. Two letters addressing Neurologists have advised of the GBS dangers. The new vaccine program -- that the Pharmaceutical companies are receiving billions of dollars in profits as well as total impunity from the results inflicted on worldwide populations -- has not been properly tested, and the subjects receiving the vaccines appear to be guinea pigs. Reported cases of GBS will be logged into a centralized database.

Some question the need for a vaccine, given the risks, although for some people with serious underlying health problems, the risk of dying from the Swine Flu -- or any other type of flu -- could be greater than the risk of side effects from an untested vaccine. In most cases, all that's needed is a few days of bed rest. Some are recommending drinking Whiskey to ward the Swine Flu off.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency of the UK is monitoring the side effects from Tamiflu and Relenza, two other medications designed to fight symptoms of the Swine Flu.

Roche Pharmaceuticals, Tamiflu's manufacturer, isn't the only one who has profited greatly from Tamiflu. Donald Rumsfeld has also reportedly made millions of dollars from Tamiflu by selling some Roche shares since the drug has been bought in massive amounts by more than 60 Governments to treat a possible flu pandemic. As previously noted, Pharmaceutical companies are raking in billions because of a manufactured flu pandemic.

Swine Flu Medication Pushed Despite Growing Number of Reported Side Effects

Despite the growing number of documented side effects from the antiviral drug Tamiflu, Health officials continue claiming that it is safe. There have been 400 reports of adverse reactions from Tamiflu since the start of the questionable Swine Flu Outreak.

Those pushing for widespread distribution of Tamiflu are also warning people that if they fail to complete the course of treatment, they may be fueling the evolution of drug-resistant forms of the type of H1N1 influenza A virus behind the alleged Swine Flu pandemic according to the Independent UK.

Between April 1 and August 6 of this year, there were 418 reports of adverse side effects to Tamiflu, and another 686 suspected cases of adverse reactions according to figures from The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), though not all of them may be due to the drug.

During the same time frame, there were 10 reports of adverse reactions and 14 suspected side effects reported from people who were taking Relenza, another antiviral drug that is used by some to treat Swine Flu symptoms. Tamiflu is a pill that is taken
orally. Relenza is a nasal spray.


300,000 Given Tamiflu Since the Swine Flu Outbreak

British Health officials continue saying that both products have been rigorously tested and that they are effective against the symptoms of the Swine Flu.

Approximately 300,000 people have been given Tamiflu since the start of the Swine Flu outbreak. Anyone fulfilling the National Pandemic Flu Service's criteria can receive Tamiflu free of charge when they answer a series of questions regarding their symptoms online or by telephone.

Vomiting and nausea are listed on Tamiflu's packaging. According to the summary of product characteristics, 11 percent of adults and adolescents taking Tamiflu experience nausea and 8 percent of those taking it suffer from vomiting.

In children, 15 percent suffer from vomiting and 10 percent suffer from diarrhea. 3 percent of children get nauseated and 5 percent have reported abdominal pain according to the Independent UK report. When taken preventatively instead of as a treatment, headaches are another known side effect.

There are also concerns over how Tamiflu interacts with warfarin, a blood-thinning medication that is taken by more than 600,000 people in the UK. Some in the medical field are saying that taking Tamiflu if you are on warfarin puts you at a greater risk of stroke because of dangerously thin blood. Warfarin is a blood thinner prescribed to prevent blood clots.

Still too Much Secrecy Surrounding the 'Swine Flu Pandemic'

Some states are gearing up for giving millions of people shots. Massachusetts health authorities have reportedly deputized dentists, paramedics and pharmacists to help administer vaccines. Other states, such as Maine, are drilling the National Guard in preparation of possible H1N1 Riots. The insanity -- or ignorance, depending on how you look at it -- is spiraling out of control. Forcing quarantines and vaccinations defeats the purpose, unless of course, your purpose is to intentionally kill numerous people with intentionally-tainted vaccines.

There is still too much secrecy surrounding the 'Swine Flu pandemic' and the contents of exactly what is in the vaccines about to be unleashed upon the world, raising more concern. As the planned date for the largest widespread school vaccinations since the days of polio nears, there are still many questions that the government has yet to answer.

For instance, who is paying the billions of dollars being received by these Pharmaceutical companies for hurriedly rushing potentially deadly vaccines to be used on an unspecting public? Are taxpayers being bilked for those billions too? What exactly are the ingredients being used in these vaccines and why does the U.S. government refuse to answer that question? The Pharmaceutical companies have been dubiously profiting from sickness and death for years.

Usually, when someone won't answer the questions or dances around the issues, it's because they're hiding something. Unfortunately, the U.S. government has been hiding a lot of things for several years. What is the government hiding now?

It's Time for the Governmental Deception to end

If Dr. Ott is correct, the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine is using Bird Flu vaccine -- that has resulted in a high mortality rate in Vietnam -- instead of a Swine Flu virus, meaning Swine Flu victims will be given deadly Bird Flu vaccine to immunize them against the Swine Flu, putting them more at risk. It's time for the governmental deception to come to an end and it's time for the truth and accountability. Criminal government actions need to be recognized for what they are and dealt with accordingly.

The UK Government -- as well as the U.S. Government -- is purposely using fear, intimidation and a lot of media disinformation to spread their Swine Flu lies, falsely predicting a high death toll without corresponding evidence. According to one report, a U.S. Air Force Study proposed a 2009 Influenza Pandemic in 1996. As I've written before, anyone foolish enough to believe that their Government is out to protect them and won't intentionally do anything to harm them -- as proven repeatedly ever since the appointment of George W. Bush to the presidency in 2000 -- is in for some very rude awakenings. Again, it's time to realize this situation for the deadly fraud that it is and it's time to do something about it.

More research and independent testing is needed before unleashing millions of vials of questionable flu vaccines on world populations. More information on vaccination myths and truths, as well as more on the suspicious origin of the Governmentally fabricated 'Swine Flu Pandemic' can be found in this article from The Centre for Research on Globalization.
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately