2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada

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Since there has not been an antigenic characterization of this identified Influenza it is yet to be determined whether it is pandemic H1N1 or a new variety of H3N2.  H3N2 usually targets the elderly and taking out younger and healthier persons is unheard of.  Either way 2 dead 35 year olds and 20 VERY sick people tossing up blood is BAD.

http://www.thompsoncitizen.net/article/20101204/THOMPSON0107/101209999/-1/THOMPSON01/potential-influenza-pandemic-on-garden-hill-first-nation-mko-says
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2010, 01:17:01 PM »
Northern Manitoba chief calls for help with killer flu

By Kevin Rollason and Bruce Owen, Winnipeg Free Press December 4, 2010

WINNIPEG — Aboriginal leaders say the federal and provincial governments must step up efforts to battle a flu outbreak in Garden Hill First Nation that has already left two people dead and a third fighting for her life.

Northern Manitoba Grand Chief David Harper said the reserve has only one doctor for its 4,000 residents and ongoing problems with overcrowded housing and lack of running water are making a bad situation worse.

Harper said more than 20 people are being treated for flu at the reserve — including a three-year-old and five-year-old.

"(Provincial officials) are saying this is just a common flu, but when people are coughing up blood, this is not a regular flu," Harper said.

Cont. http://www.canada.com/Northern+Manitoba+chief+calls+help+with+killer/3924592/story.html?asid=d585aee4
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 01:24:47 PM »
A "PANDEMIC"  is a widespread global form of epidemic. This is just a local epidemic that may also be complicated by other unique local factors and individual's own lack of or weaker immunities.  It is ceratinly very sad and something to be watched closely but be careful with the lingo

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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 01:29:38 PM »
Since there has not been an antigenic characterization of this identified Influenza it is yet to be determined whether it is pandemic H1N1 or a new variety of H3N2.  H3N2 usually targets the elderly and taking out younger and healthier persons is unheard of.  Either way 2 dead 35 year olds and 20 VERY sick people tossing up blood is BAD.

http://www.thompsoncitizen.net/article/20101204/THOMPSON0107/101209999/-1/THOMPSON01/potential-influenza-pandemic-on-garden-hill-first-nation-mko-says


2 healthy adults?

article says

"Both people from Garden Hill who died with Influenza A also had underlying medical problems and health officials are trying to determine what role the virus played in their deaths"




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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 01:44:39 PM »
A "PANDEMIC"  is a widespread global form of epidemic. This is just a local epidemic that may also be complicated by other unique local factors and individual's own lack of or weaker immunities.  It is ceratinly very sad and something to be watched closely but be careful with the lingo

It actually reads "potential" pandemic in the title.  Not Pandemic Imminent or Pandemic Impending.  This death cluster does have the potential to become something much larger.


2 healthy adults?

article says

"Both people from Garden Hill who died with Influenza A also had underlying medical problems and health officials are trying to determine what role the virus played in their deaths"




Often the term underlying conditions are bandied about to decrease the alarm factor.  If you smoke, are overweight by 15 pounds, drink the odd beer, have allergies, you have underlying conditions.  Virtually everyone qualifies for underlying conditions.  These were 35 year old humans who should not be dying from the common flu.  20 people of a spectrum of ages coughing up blood is of serious concern.  The last time this happened was 1918. 
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 02:48:31 PM »
This happened last year in the Ukraine if I am not mistaken. A hemorrhagic variant of H1N1 was causing high temperatures in patients' lungs and bleeding.

What luck, here is the link:

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11040901/Ukraine_Hemor_Clusters.html


Yes the Ukraine saw at least 1000 people die and hundreds of thousands sick over a few weeks from the novel H1N1 and the deaths were associated with a particular strain identified by a unique protein structure known as D225G.  H1N1 and its variation D225G has been linked to the deaths in 1918, The Spanish Flu.  However, they didnt report patients coughing up blood although autopsies showed blood soaked lungs.  Coughing up blood is indicative of an even more aggressive flu that is breaking down lung tissue while the patient is still able to cough.  The Ukranian cases would have been on ventilators as the virus progressed and then death would ensue.  This appears to be more rapid.
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 03:02:18 PM »
Misleading topic title.  The people who died weren't "Healthy"....

All this topic is promoting is the whole "fear the flu" BS... Can a Mod please change it?

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Re: 2 35 year old adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 03:12:43 PM »
Misleading topic title.  The people who died weren't "Healthy"....

All this topic is promoting is the whole "fear the flu" BS... Can a Mod please change it?

Fine it is changed until we know more.

You should fear the flu, especially if it is being driven by psychopaths, it has killed more people than anything else throughout history -- war, cancer, etc.  It is clear the conditioning has worked.
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 03:18:13 PM »
part of this is actually in regards to diminished resistance to variant strains of flu following infection or inoculation with a less volatile strain.
hence it could fuel the line of thinking that we should not be vaccinating against common or even fairly severe flus.

sorry for confusion

Lets say we believe vaccines are effective and safe.  The current vaccine is using the california 7 strain isolated during the summer of 2009 that had been outdated by the fall of that year.  Because of politics and massive stockpiles it was determined to use the same target.  This is absurd on its face because viruses are constantly mutating and the vaccines must be specific to be effective.
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 04:03:46 PM »
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You should fear the flu, especially if it is being driven by psychopaths, it has killed more people than anything else throughout history -- war, cancer, etc.  It is clear the conditioning has worked.

Yup, the conditioning has worked.. it has people fearing for their lives when they really have little to actually fear, as long as they are healthy, and have no underlying health issues that could complicate the flu.  Otherwise your chance of survival are fairly good.  We don't need to be shot up with the governments poison serum to "save us"... stop believing the hype.

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 04:13:52 PM »
Yup, the conditioning has worked.. it has people fearing for their lives when they really have little to actually fear, as long as they are healthy, and have no underlying health issues that could complicate the flu.  Otherwise your chance of survival are fairly good.  We don't need to be shot up with the governments poison serum to "save us"... stop believing the hype.

Oh really, Do you have any comprehension of what happened in 1918 or what a cytocine storm means for healthy individuals?

The "hype" has been propped up to enrich the pharmas and to lull you into a docile state like in the boy that cried wolf.  For maximum penetration the population should/will be unprepared and lack proper responsive behaviours as we have been conditioned to do. 
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 05:22:53 PM »
Fine it is changed until we know more.

You should fear the flu, especially if it is being driven by psychopaths, it has killed more people than anything else throughout history -- war, cancer, etc.  It is clear the conditioning has worked.

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 06:39:01 PM »
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

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The manufactured swine flu pandemic/cyber false flag is on!!! Hamburg heads FDA!

Combo husband/wife teams of Pandemic exerts and artifical intelligence experts in the halls of government saying COMBO ATTACK COMING!

BE AFRAID!

YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP!
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Both my parents are physicians. I grew up right on the Stanford campus, surrounded by many friends and families that were related to the field of medicine... so it was always part of part of my experience. But because it was so much a part of my experience, I did have to go through the re-thinking: Is this something I really want to do, or was I just raised to think that of course I would be a doctor?


Margaret Hamburg, one of the youngest people ever elected to the Institute of Medicine (IoM, an affiliate of the National Academy of Sciences), is a highly regarded expert in community health and bio-defense, including preparedness for nuclear, biological, and chemical threats. As health commissioner for New York City from 1991 to 1997, she developed innovative programs for controlling the spread of tuberculosis and AIDS.

Margaret Hamburg is the daughter of Beatrix and David Hamburg, both distinguished physicians and early role models for her career in medicine. Her mother was the first African-American woman to attend Vassar College and to earn a degree from the Yale University School of Medicine (which had previously excluded black students). Her Jewish father and grandmother taught her to value education and family and to fight discrimination and oppression.

When she was inducted into the prestigious Institute of Medicine in 1994, she had followed the path of her parents, both IoM members since the 1970s. "There was a sense of real fun that the father-mother-daughter constellation had been formed," said Hamburg.

Hamburg is a graduate of Radcliffe College. She earned her M.D. from Harvard Medical School, and completed her training at the New York Hospital/Cornell University Medical Center. She did research in neuroscience at Rockefeller University in New York from 1985 to1986 and in neuropharmacology (the study of the action of drugs on the nervous system) at the National Institute of Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland.

From 1986 to 1988, she served in the U.S. Office of Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, and from 1989 to 1990 she was assistant director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH, where her work focused on AIDS research.

In 1990, she left the NIH to serve as deputy health commissioner for New York City. Within a year, she was promoted to health commissioner. It was a difficult, complex, and demanding job, with severe budget constraints and many responsibilities, ranging from clinical services to environmental health. She strove to improve health services for women and children, instituted needle-exchange programs to combat HIV infection, made inroads into curbing the spread of tuberculosis, and initiated the nation's first public-health bio-terrorism defense program. During her term as health commissioner, she also held academic positions at Columbia University School of Public Health and Cornell University Medical College, both in New York City.

While commissioner Dr. Hamburg's innovative treatment plan for tuberculosis (TB) became a model for health departments around the world. In the 1990s, TB was the leading infectious killer of youths and adults and had become resistant to standard drugs. To be effective, new drugs required patients to take pills every day for up to two years, but failure to complete the full course of treatment allowed the bacteria to mutate into drug-resistant strains. Hamburg sent healthcare workers to patients' homes to help manage their drug regimen, and between 1992 and 1997, the TB rate for New York City fell by 46 percent, and by 86 percent for the most resistant strains.

In 1993, Dr. Hamburg was President Clinton's first choice for the newly created post of federal AIDS coordinator. Pregnant with her first child at that time, Hamburg declined, putting motherhood first. President Clinton selected her in 1997 to be assistant secretary for policy and evaluation at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. This time she accepted.

Since 2001, she has been vice president for biological programs at the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a foundation dedicated to reducing the threat to public safety from nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. She is a leading advocate for changes in the nation's public health policies and infrastructure, from local health departments to the highest levels of government, to meet the challenges presented by modern bioterrorism. She is a distinguished senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Dr. Hamburg is married to Peter Fitzhugh Brown, an artificial intelligence expert [Ok, now I am even freaking out.  How is this even fricking possible? I feel like I am reading an H.G. Wells novel.  Is she really going to take over the FDA?] , and the couple have two children. Interestingly, she was the first New York City health commissioner to give birth while in office, so her children's birth certificates bear her name in two places: as their mother and as health commissioner.
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Re: 2 35 year old adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 07:00:05 PM »
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I believe you are talking about good old Margie Chan.

Margaret Chan was the head of the Department of Health in Hong Kong in 2003, when SARS was raging. She was criticised by both relatives of the dead and the Legislative Council of Hong Kong for helping the mainland government minimise the scale of the disaster rather helping to limit the outbreak. You can read more about her performance here. Margaret Chan left this job and then joined the WHO, also in 2003, as Director of the Department for Protection of the Human Environment. It is not clear whether she had any input into the Situation Reports, no author is given, but she became Representative of the Director-General for Pandemic Influenza in 2005, which would suggest that she was likely involved in their preparation. Thus, she was positioned to suppress information relating to the government of China’s role in the spread of SARS while in Hong Kong and their role in the spread of H5N1 while at the WHO.

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 07:32:22 PM »
I believe you are talking about good old Margie Chan.

Margaret Chan was the head of the Department of Health in Hong Kong in 2003, when SARS was raging. She was criticised by both relatives of the dead and the Legislative Council of Hong Kong for helping the mainland government minimise the scale of the disaster rather helping to limit the outbreak. You can read more about her performance here. Margaret Chan left this job and then joined the WHO, also in 2003, as Director of the Department for Protection of the Human Environment. It is not clear whether she had any input into the Situation Reports, no author is given, but she became Representative of the Director-General for Pandemic Influenza in 2005, which would suggest that she was likely involved in their preparation. Thus, she was positioned to suppress information relating to the government of China’s role in the spread of SARS while in Hong Kong and their role in the spread of H5N1 while at the WHO.

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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=103730.0

SWINE FLU EXPOSED! Evidence that NOVARAX/CDC/WHO/BAXTER/ROCHE created the PANDEMIC for power and profit!

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 09:53:36 PM »
Misleading topic title.  The people who died weren't "Healthy"....

All this topic is promoting is the whole "fear the flu" BS... Can a Mod please change it?

A little more info coming out.  Seems the two fatalities were HEALTHY before infection and that it has been identified as H3N2 which is strange.  As mentioned "underlying conditions" is a meaningless talking point meant to obscure serious issues.

The victims were in their 30s and 40s and were healthy before their deaths, he said, and both contracted a strain called H3N2.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20101203/manitoba-reserve--flu-deaths-101203/


The article goes on to say they will explore medical problems with the victims and mentions seasonal H3N2.  If indeed this is H3N2 this is not regular H3N2.

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 11:58:34 PM »
Last September ('09) the Canadian government sent a bunch of body bags to remote Indian reserves in Manitoba, in preparation for mass deaths during the H1N1 'pandemic'. Nothing says 'we care' like some masks, hand sanitizers and a shipment of body bags....

Body bags disrupt Canada's flu-readiness message
Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:41pm EDT
 
WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) - The Canadian government sent body bags to some remote Indian reserves as it prepared for the winter flu season, sending a jarring message at odds with its promise that it's ready for the H1N1 flu.

The body bags went to some reserves in Manitoba, the western province in which some remote Indian communities were hard-hit by the flu in the spring, Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said on Wednesday.

"It is very disturbing," Aglukkaq told reporters on a conference call. "It's a serious issue and it's very concerning to me."

Aglukkaq said she didn't have details of the body-bag shipments and has ordered officials to investigate.

At least four Manitoba reserves received body bags from Canada's health department in shipments that also included supplies like masks and hand sanitizer, the Winnipeg Free Press said.

"This says to me they've given up," the newspaper quoted Chief David Harper of Northern Manitoba's Garden Hill reserve, which received some of the body bags, as saying.

Sending body bags is "a totally unnecessary thing," said chief public health officer Dr. David Butler-Jones.

Canada, a country of 33.6 million people, has ordered 50.4 million doses of vaccine and plans to begin immunizations in November. If Canada doesn't need all its order, it will leave some vaccines available for other countries, Butler-Jones said.

Government officials aim to first distribute H1N1 vaccine to pregnant women, people living in remote communities, people with chronic health conditions and health-care workers.

"The whole population can be immunized very quickly," Butler-Jones said.

The flu, now a worldwide pandemic, has killed 76 people in Canada.


(Reporting by Rod Nickel; editing by Janet Guttsman)

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2010, 12:05:39 AM »
Last September ('09) the Canadian government sent a bunch of body bags to remote Indian reserves in Manitoba, in preparation for mass deaths during the H1N1 'pandemic'. Nothing says 'we care' like some masks, hand sanitizers and a shipment of body bags....



Very peculiar this area is the EXACT same area hit hardest in Canada last year when pandemic H1N1 broke out.

Yeah nice touch with the body bags.
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2010, 12:05:50 AM »
B.C. flu vaccine program expanded
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/18/bc-flu-vaccine-program.html
Last Updated: Monday, October 18, 2010 | 10:09 AM PT

Health officials in B.C. are expanding the annual free flu vaccine program to include two new groups this year, as they prepare to start offering the new vaccine on Monday.

Provincial Health officer Dr. Perry Kendall says the vaccine will once again be free for people at high risk of complications from the flu, such as seniors, children and those with certain health problems.

And for the first time this year the morbidly obese — people with a body mass index above 40 — and aboriginal people on and off reserve will also get the vaccine for free, said Kendall.

"Aboriginal people were in some parts of Canada at higher risk for H1N1, and we held discussions with our First Nations health council and they felt it would be appropriate to offer influenza vaccine to all aboriginal people, so we have made that decision to do that in British Columbia as well," said Kendall.

Last year's flu season was unusual because of the H1N1 pandemic, which has made it difficult to predict how serious the virus will be this year, but this year's vaccine protects against three strains, said Kendall.

"It contains an antigen against the pandemic H1N1. It contains antigen against the H3n2 and against a B influenza," he said.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/10/18/bc-flu-vaccine-program.html#ixzz17OnNwFR0
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2010, 12:10:04 AM »
Chiefs call for more doctors as 2 die of flu on Manitoba reserve
http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/901678--chiefs-call-for-more-doctors-as-2-die-of-flu-on-manitoba-reserve
December 4, 2010
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WINNIPEG—The leader of Manitoba’s northern chiefs says more doctors are needed to cope with a flu outbreak that has already killed two people.

“One doctor for 4,000 people is totally unacceptable,” Grand Chief David Harper said Friday of the situation faced by the Garden Hill First Nation.

“We don’t have a health system. We have an illness system.”


(** Complaints, complaints... they got body bags, they don't need health care!)

Harper heads Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak, which represents 30 northern reserves in the province. Garden Hill is Harper’s home and is about 600 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.

The flu outbreak has been confirmed as H3N2, not the H1N1 “swine” flu that hit many northern aboriginal communities last year.

But Harper said the deaths and reports of people coughing up blood make the situation serious enough to warrant more action from federal and provincial health officials.

“We are alarmed at the information we received from the public health officials that this is no emergency. How many more deaths do we need before we call this an emergency?”

He said the first person died last week. A second death was confirmed Thursday.

“When we make comparisons with H1N1, we had three confirmed deaths with H1N1 and one suspected and here we are today we have two deaths on a common flu.”

The chief said the province should be working with the federal Health Department to assist the Garden Hill First Nation.

Health Canada officials refused to discuss the situation and instead provided an email response from spokeswoman Christelle Legault.

She said they had provided additional nursing resources to the First Nations in the affected area and “those residents who are ill will have access to the care they need.”

Dr. Joel Kettner, Manitoba’s chief public health officer, said later Friday that the second death had not yet been confirmed as a result of H3N2 although confirmation was expected.

But he said officials have been able to rule out the suggestion that this might be the start of a pandemic.

“We’ve looked at what this virus is. It’s the virus that has been circulating.”

There were other underlying medical conditions in both cases that could have contributed, Kellner added.

Overcrowding on reserves, poor diets, poor water and sanitation and other health issues such as diabetes and obesity and restricted access to health care all contribute to increased rates of disease in aboriginal communities, he noted.

As for more doctors, Kettner said he understood some additional medical help was being provided but he too would like to see more physicians work in the north on a regular basis.

“I for one would be pleased to see more medical services in many parts of Manitoba.”

He said there are no signs at least so far that the situation in Garden Hill requires other steps.

“I spoke with a physician who was up there today who felt that at this moment things were under reasonable control and the staffing was able to deal with the patient demands and needs in the communities and that’s being monitored very closely.”
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2010, 12:36:58 AM »
Is trH3N2 Linked To Death Cluster In Manitoba Canada?
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/12041001/trH3N2_Manitoba.html
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December 4, 2010

Dr. Joel Kettner, Manitoba's chief public health officer, said later Friday that the second death had not yet been confirmed as a result of H3N2 although confirmation was expected.

But he said officials have been able to rule out the suggestion that this might be the start of a pandemic.

"We've looked at what this virus is. It's the virus that has been circulating."

The above comments suggest that the death cluster in Manitoba is due to the seasonal H3N2, that is widespread in Canada.  However, trH3N2 would test as seasonal H3N2 in a sero-typing test, which is the type of testing that would be done in Manitoba.  To rule out trH3N2, more extensive testing would be required, such as antigenic characterization or sequencing, which would be done at the National Labs in Winnipeg.

The week 47 report noted that 24 H3N2 samples had been antigenically characterized since September 1, 2010 and all had been Perth/16-like.  However, in week 47 alone there had been 111 samples positive for influenza and although 102 were influenza A, only 39 had been sero-typed as H3N2 (most were not sub-typed because they were identified with the rapid test).  Thus, most of the 24 characterized H3N2 would have been prior to the first fatality in Manitoba, which was the first fatality under 65 in Canada this season.

As noted in the characterization sheet for the trH3N2 sequences generated by the CDC, “Human case of H3N2 triple reassortant Swine-origin influenza virus, HA and NA from seasonal H3N2” the H3 and N2 are human seasonal flu sequences from the 1990’s, so the human sero-typing reagents would recognize the trH3N2.  Thus, the serotyping data for trH3n2 would look like seasonal H3N2, which is the main serotype circulating in Canada at this time.

Therefore, details of the testing done to conclude that the H3N2 in Manitoba is Perth/16-like H3N2 would be useful.
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2010, 12:48:55 PM »
Where Garden City. the native reserve in Manitoba where the breakout occurred, is located:   
Dead center of Canada

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Garden+Hill+First+Nation,+Manitoba,+Canada&sll=53.888963,-94.463196&sspn=0.390914,1.348572&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Garden+Hill,+Division+No.+22,+Manitoba,+Canada&t=h&z=9

Updates:
there appears to be a third suspicious death
the antigenic characterizations have not been released
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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2010, 11:07:03 AM »
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Oh really, Do you have any comprehension of what happened in 1918 or what a cytocine storm means for healthy individuals?

The "hype" has been propped up to enrich the pharmas and to lull you into a docile state like in the boy that cried wolf.  For maximum penetration the population should/will be unprepared and lack proper responsive behaviours as we have been conditioned to do.

For your 1918 analogy to be accurate, one needs to assume we have not advanced in medical science and procedures since that time, which is false, hence so is your reply. 

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2010, 12:08:34 PM »
For your 1918 analogy to be accurate, one needs to assume we have not advanced in medical science and procedures since that time, which is false, hence so is your reply. 

Not when they resurrected the flu as they have done, then played with it in a lab, as they have done.  The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic killed an estimated 50 million people.  I am pretty convinced it was made in a lab then, now they want it stronger than ever, to kill off more!  Those are the advancements that have been made.  We are dealing with an elite group of psychopaths who have no regard for human life, whatsoever!


Disease by Design: 1918 "Spanish" Flu Resurrection Creates Major Safety and Security Risks


WORLD YAWNS AT U.S. SYNTHESIS OF DEADLY 1918 FLU VIRUS


Resurrected Influenza Virus Yields Secrets of Deadly 1918 Pandemic

Special Report The 1918 flu virus is resurrected

Virulent 1918 flu genes resurrected

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2010, 12:16:16 PM »
Coughing up blood, healthy adults -- this sounds like Hantivirus spread by dried up rodent feces & urine.  It broke out in America one time & we all have to be careful of it.

Basically, it attacks the lungs and takes down a person *fast*

During a wet season in the Southwestern deserts areas, the mice multiply.  Then when things dry up again, there is more of the dried feces & urine blowing with the wind.  When breathed, people die.  Here where I live, the health department says that 50% of the mice carry Hantivirus.  Cleaning up mouse dirt should never be done by vacuuming.  Always with a bleached paper towel & plastic gloves.  To stir it up into the air might give the virus.

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2010, 12:40:26 PM »
For your 1918 analogy to be accurate, one needs to assume we have not advanced in medical science and procedures since that time, which is false, hence so is your reply. 

Do you understand that they've recreated the 1918 flu in a lab? They dug up a body of someone who had the virus, took it back to the lab, and recreated the virus. Have you heard about bioweapons? They cook them up in labs.. sometimes using samples taken from victims of diseases - like the 1918 influenza virus; even the black plague... wake up!

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Yes the Ukraine saw at least 1000 people die and hundreds of thousands sick over a few weeks from the novel H1N1 and the deaths were associated with a particular strain identified by a unique protein structure known as D225G.  H1N1 and its variation D225G has been linked to the deaths in 1918, The Spanish Flu.  However, they didnt report patients coughing up blood although autopsies showed blood soaked lungs.  Coughing up blood is indicative of an even more aggressive flu that is breaking down lung tissue while the patient is still able to cough.  The Ukranian cases would have been on ventilators as the virus progressed and then death would ensue.  This appears to be more rapid.

READ THIS:
(And note well that the publication is from the ARMED FORCES INSTITUTE OF PATHOLOGY: not a medical research company.. but a government program for bioweapons research.)

Arch Virol Suppl. 2005;(19):101-15.
The virulence of the 1918 pandemic influenza virus: unraveling the enigma.
Taubenberger JK.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16355870
Department of Molecular Pathology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Rockville, Maryland 20850-3125, USA. taubenbe@afip.osd.mil

Abstract
The 1918 influenza pandemic caused acute illness in 25-30% of the world's population and resulted in the death of up to 40 million people.

Using lung tissue of 1918 influenza victims,
the complete genomic sequence of the 1918 influenza virus is being deduced.


Neither the 1918 hemagglutinin nor neuraminidase genes possess mutations known to increase tissue tropicity that account for virulence of other influenza virus strains, such as A/WSN/33 or the highly pathogenic avian influenza H5 or H7 viruses. Using reverse genetics approaches, influenza virus constructs containing the 1918 hemagglutinin and neuraminidase on an A/WSN/33 virus background were lethal in mice. The genotypic basis of this virulence has not yet been elucidated. The complete sequence of the non-structural (NS) gene segment of the 1918 virus was deduced and also tested to determine the validity of the hypothesis that enhanced virulence in 1918 could have been due to type I interferon inhibition by the NS1 protein. Results from these experiments suggest that in human cells the 1918 NS1 is a very effective interferon antagonist. Sequence analysis of the 1918 influenza virus is allowing us to test hypotheses as to the origin and virulence of this strain. This information should help elucidate how pandemic influenza virus strains emerge and what genetic features contribute to virulence in humans.

PMID: 16355870 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Just run a search in any internet search engine for this: "Taubenberger JK" "Tumpey TM", collaborators in bioweapons research, and you'll get results like this:


Recreating the Spanish flu?

This briefing is extracted from: Emerging Technologies: Genetic Engineering and Biological Weapons
http://www.sunshine-project.org/publications/others/gmoflu.html

H5N1 evolving towards a pandemic strain
http://web.mac.com/monotreme1/iWeb/Pandemic%20Influenza%20Information/Opinion/65B8CF0F-9ABD-4CDB-BEE5-1428FA9E781D.html

THE "NOVEL" 2009 FLU VIRUS & FLU VACCINE
http://www.wnho.net/novel_2009_flu_virus_and_flu_vaccine.htm

Do a little digging and you'll understand why the faux 'pandemic' of 2009 is so important to examine: nothing is more useful than a good pandemic when you want to get people to submit to unconstitutional acts of FORCED VACCINATIONS, FORCED QUARANTINES, and any other bs that would serve the NWO agenda for taking down a country. The events in Ukraine; the world-wide hoax of the H1N1 pandemic - all lab experiments for observation of behaviors that will be used to calculate the next false flag, the bioterror false flag, with more accuracy.

Do you think that a regime that thinks nothing of crashing planes into buildings, killing thousands, to justify a war in Afghanistan, killing hundreds of thousands... then manufactures "evidence" of WMD's to justify a war in Iraq, killing more than 1.5 MILLION innocent people ... do you think this kind of regime would NOT create a bioweapon to use for their own ends?

Freedom_or_Death - you are thinking that 'advances in medical research' are for humanitarian purposes..., because you are a humanitarian at heart. We have to accept reality: most research funding comes from the 'regime', the NWO: including the Rockefeller Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the US Dept. of Defense, Battelle Labs, and believe me - these are not humanitarians doing research for the good of mankind. They are doing research on how to depopulate the planet, a primary goal of the New World Order. Bioweapons as tools in this effort have been publicly mentioned in their own publications. You can find a video with Bill Gates talking about "vaccines" as a method to reduce population! You can read John Holdren's own book, Ecoscience, wherein he describes forced sterilization!

MSNBC In Cover-Up Of Manifestly Provable Population Control Plan
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=175418.msg1041664#msg1041664

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Re: 2 healthy adults dead and 20 people coughing blood in Manitoba, Canada
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2010, 10:19:00 PM »
For your 1918 analogy to be accurate, one needs to assume we have not advanced in medical science and procedures since that time, which is false, hence so is your reply.  

How many ECMO machines does your local hospital have?
How does the term infection rate work?
In 1918 the infection rate was 4 -- for every infection it was creating 4 more.  It covered the planet in weeks and there were no PLANES.
What is the incubation period for influenza?

Hospitals are already overrun in Britian.  As in TODAY.  How exactly is any medical system going to deal with the possible onslaught?

NHS Direct 'at breaking point': Patients waiting two days for help in worst flu outbreak for ten years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340969/NHS-Direct-breaking-point-Patients-waiting-days-help-worst-flu-outbreak-years.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Your grasp of the subject is weak at best.  Obviously havent investigated what a cytocine storm is because current medicine is still stumped by it and makes your comment more foolish.

"It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[9] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[10] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths.[11] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[12] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[12]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm
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