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« on: August 11, 2009, 11:24:11 PM »

Officials see rise in militia groups across US
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A140QG0&show_article=1&catnum=0

 WASHINGTON (AP) - Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s—right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.

"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."

The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.

While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.

These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.

The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.

The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.

Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.

The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.

One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

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Southern Poverty Law Center: http://www.splcenter.org/

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A140QG0&show_article=1&catnum=0
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 11:28:18 PM »

Evidence Supporting Claims in 'Rightwing Extremism' Report Lacks Depth, Group Says
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Government filed a Freedom of Information Act request with Homeland Security, asking to see the supporting evidence for a report on "right-wing extremist groups" that sparked outrage and questions. Apparently there wasn't much

"We expected to receive back some hard-core analysis, some data analysis, looking at crime statistics and current trends that would back up conclusions in the report," ... "Instead what we got was a list of URLs to various Web sites, all kinds of news stories across the board,"
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 11:34:49 PM »

"All it's lacking is a spark,"

McEntire said in the report.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 11:39:48 PM »

"All it's lacking is a spark,"

McEntire said in the report.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

there going to kill someone famous in the patriot movement

then there is no mercy for them

the revolutionary tribunals will be harsh

or

we could retake back our goverment, by FIRING them all, but keep the good guys like Ron Paul and Others

Alex Jones/Jason Bermas 2012 Presidential Election!!!!!!    =3
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 11:45:32 PM »

there going to kill someone famous in the patriot movement

then there is no mercy for them

the revolutionary tribunals will be harsh

or

we could retake back our goverment, by FIRING them all, but keep the good guys like Ron Paul and Others

Alex Jones/Jason Bermas 2012 Presidential Election!!!!!!    =3

um, not sure about that hypothetical assessment, but anytime the ATF starts mentioning "all that is needed is a spark" then there is a bigger agenda behind it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 11:49:08 PM »

um, not sure about that hypothetical assessment, but anytime the ATF starts mentioning "all that is needed is a spark" then there is a bigger agenda behind it.

Neither am I, heh.

So who is this report/story meant for? Who is the targetted audience of their propaganda?
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 12:01:01 AM »

um, not sure about that hypothetical assessment, but anytime the ATF starts mentioning "all that is needed is a spark" then there is a bigger agenda behind it.

im just raving or ranting

well anyway my best guess

like you just said, there is something behind what they say

uhhh...... i think they're playning something
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 12:19:04 AM »

Neither am I, heh.

So who is this report/story meant for? Who is the targetted audience of their propaganda?
ATF talking to SPLC and Rothschild's AP reporting...OK City memories that totally suck.  ATF worked with SPLC to commit the false flag.
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ATF talking to SPLC and Rothschild's AP reporting...OK City memories that totally suck.  ATF worked with SPLC to commit the false flag.

Indeed, failed to notice the (AP) bit. So very simply it's mass conditioning for the general public that the evil right-wingers are about to strike.
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Officials see rise in militia groups across US

By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s - right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.

"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."

The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.

While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.

These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.

The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.

The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.

Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.

The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.

One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

OMG - just read the whole thing over three or four times! Unbelievable.  I'll be expecting many a sketchy false flags from this kind of propaganda.

So I guess the talking points today are - if you have a firearm, you must be watched!  What in the heck are things coming to? Oh yeah - the administration wants to make us European with fancy health care schemes and weapons confiscations - plus 100% government intervention for our own good.

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The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

So the government killed a bunch of its citizens which led to its citizens fearing that the government would kill them and what the fudge - maybe if the gov't didn't convince them by killing citizens then the citizens would not fear that the government would kill them.  So because citizens want to defend themselves from being killed by the government, they are therefore bad and need to be watched.  I am at a loss with this insane propaganda.  It seems to contradict itself.

Also, how come this article says that if you are pro constitution, you must be violent and watched?  WTF!

This story must needs be stickied or something.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 01:44:23 AM »

"All it's lacking is a spark,"

McEntire said in the report.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

Why does reading that bring me immediately back to the story about the Russian subs off our coast and Kissinger telling the Russian President that all the guns will be gone by September?
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 01:51:48 AM »

Why does reading that bring me immediately back to the story about the Russian subs off our coast and Kissinger telling the Russian President that all the guns will be gone by September?

"All it's lacking is a spark,"
Honestly - this doesn't really bode well at all.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 01:53:55 AM »

Why does reading that bring me immediately back to the story about the Russian subs off our coast and Kissinger telling the Russian President that all the guns will be gone by September?

Sorcha Faal Disinformation. Not real, don't believe it, it's a scam, etc etc.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 01:55:55 AM »

This story is now breitbart.com TOP NEWS
and there is now this video on Breibart

Ohio Militia YouTube Video: America’s Wake Up Call — Buy Guns
http://www.breitbart.tv/ohio-militia-post-youtube-video-americas-wake-up-call-buy-guns/
AP: Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

America's Wake Up Call (Ohio Militia) Buy Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDbWs8q5fek
http://www.youtube.com/user/OhioMilitia
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 01:58:56 AM »

Sorcha Faal Disinformation. Not real, don't believe it, it's a scam, etc etc.

Even if Kissinger actually said it and believes it, I'm here to tell you it will never happen.

You would be stacking up dead bodies like cord wood to confiscate even 1/10th of the firearms in this country.  
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 02:05:18 AM »

Ohio Militia YouTube Video: America’s Wake Up Call — Buy Guns
http://www.breitbart.tv/ohio-militia-post-youtube-video-americas-wake-up-call-buy-guns/

It figures they would pick that idiot to hold up and say "They're dangerous! Look!"

I've seen his videos and send him emails to take off the mask and stop acting like a basement dweller.

I've got my own gripes about the way the certain retard Militia groups protray themselves. One group wears black ski masks holding their guns at the camera while they talk with the Constitution behind them... sheez. You have to look like the good guys, otherwise the public will shut you off and say "Let them get killed, they're crazy troublemakers!"
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 02:10:19 AM »

This story is now breitbart.com TOP NEWS
and there is now this video on Breibart

Ohio Militia YouTube Video: America’s Wake Up Call — Buy Guns
http://www.breitbart.tv/ohio-militia-post-youtube-video-americas-wake-up-call-buy-guns/
AP: Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

America's Wake Up Call (Ohio Militia) Buy Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDbWs8q5fek
http://www.youtube.com/user/OhioMilitia


Why is this guy hiding his face? Anyone know anything about him? Reminds me of the CIA/AlQueda videos. Did the founding fathers cover their faces? We should be showing our faces to let them know we are not buying into their fear.
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 02:11:20 AM »

Why is this guy hiding his face? Anyone know anything about him? Reminds me of the CIA/AlQueda videos. Did the founding fathers cover their faces? We should be showing our faces to let them know we are not buying into their fear.

Exactly, +1

Many videos without that crap, yet this news website or blog or whatever picks that one. Classic....

You know what though -- there are ones that are a lot worse... so it's not as bad as it could be...
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 03:59:00 AM »

DHS Report on Right Wing Extremism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAFgj4LmnRQ
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 01:36:23 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2009, 01:41:38 PM »

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

Erm, is it true or not true that Oklahoma was an official false flag?
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2009, 01:42:50 PM »

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

Erm, is it true or not true that Oklahoma was an official false flag?


"More violent"  and "more likely" compared to what?
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2009, 01:47:54 PM »

Erm, is it true or not true that Oklahoma was an official false flag?

100% guaranteed it was a false flag carried out by the feds.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2009, 02:17:36 PM »

100% guaranteed it was a false flag carried out by the feds.

And as such just a couple of days ago there was a "documentary" on the history channel equating the militia with Nazism and injecting the notion that the militia carried out the attack as part of a "Nazi" operation.  Ruby ridge was also equated as the FBI saving the day from Nazis and that the killing of a mother and her children was a victory for "us". The attack went so far as to equate the branch davidians with nazism. This thing was unbelievable. Now seeing these reports it all seems to be coming together and I think the feds are definitely getting ready to carry out a false flag on WE THE PEOPLE! Balls to the wall gentlemen they are coming brace yourselves it will get messy.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2009, 03:41:35 PM »

there going to kill someone famous in the patriot movement

then there is no mercy for them

the revolutionary tribunals will be harsh

or

we could retake back our goverment, by FIRING them all, but keep the good guys like Ron Paul and Others

Alex Jones/Jason Bermas 2012 Presidential Election!!!!!!    =3

The reason we will never win this is because when we throw the bums out and replace them the asshole bankers at the top will just corrupt the new representatives and we start all over again. The only way we could win is to eliminate ALL the people that are controlling our representatives and NEVER allow them that control again.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2009, 03:46:39 PM »

The reason we will never win this is because when we throw the bums out and replace them the asshole bankers at the top will just corrupt the new representatives and we start all over again. The only way we could win is to eliminate ALL the people that are controlling our representatives and NEVER allow them that control again.

I almost laughed at the absurdity of what you just wrote. Seriously, though, wanting the elite to die isn't going to help anything. Let's work on becoming free from them first, and then we'll worry about tribunals and war crimes and all that. Take it easy, man. I don't want them to have control, either, but you prob shouldn't say that on the forum. Just sayin...
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2009, 04:21:36 PM »

important quote from that article

"one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders."
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2009, 04:27:46 PM »

Now on Infowars
Confirmed: No Supporting Evidence For DHS “Rightwing Extremism” Report
http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-no-supporting-evidence-for-dhs-rightwing-extremism-report/
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2009, 04:29:33 PM »

important quote from that article

"one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders."

That's why they just assume everyone is a terrorist - and treat us accordingly.
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2009, 04:30:30 PM »

Now CNN is picking up on this crap
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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2009, 04:44:46 PM »

We are so close to arresting these f**kers, do not trust GE, Skull and Bones' Time Warner, Viacom, or Murdoch and their provocateur plans (and especially do not trust Rothschild's AP and Reuters) that are actively attempting to destroy this country...

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By Brad Friedman on 8/12/2009 12:07PM  
Ohio U.S. House Candidate Issues Press Release on Sibel Edmonds' 'Revealing' Testimony
David Krikorian campaign notes Google's removal of ads by Turkish lobby group denying Armenian genocide
Announces open-to-public preliminary hearing tomorrow in his Ohio Election Commission case against Ohio Rep. Jean Schmidt...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7353



As we continue to wait for the release of the video/transcript of long-gagged FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds' deposition last Saturday, the campaign of David Krikorian, Ohio's Democratic candidate for the U.S. House seat in the 2nd Congressional district, has just issued a press release relating to it. (Complete release posted below.)

In the statement, they re-iterate some of the information which The BRAD BLOG covered during our live-blogging of the event over the weekend, including Edmonds' allegations under oath that "the Turkish Lobby in the United States was under the direction of the Turkish Government and engaged in operations including bribery, espionage and blackmail with certain members of the US House of Representatives to further its objectives in the United States including one of which is the denial of the Armenian Genocide."

Some of those current and former House reps, such as

Dennis Hastert (R-IL),
Dan Burton (R-IL), Bob Livingston (R-TX),
Dick Gephardt (D-MO), and
Stephen Solarz (D-NY),


were said to have been specifically named during the 5-hour-long deposition.

One female Representative, said to be a Democrat and still serving in the House, was described, but not named, as having been "hooked" by Turkish agents into participating in a lesbian affair which is said to have been videotaped for potential blackmail use against the sitting Congresswoman....


Krikorian's statement also repeats his allegations against his opponent, Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH), that she "took more money from the Turkish lobby in the 2008 election cycle than any other member of the House or Senate and has already booked thousands in contributions from the Turkish lobby in 2009 despite there being almost no Turkish people or interests in Ohio's 2nd congressional district."

He goes on to allege that "Jean Schmidt has displayed a pattern of taking money from groups in exchange for pushing their agendas."

Edmonds' testimony arose out of a "false statements" complaint filed by Schmidt against Krikorian, who is of Armenian descent, in the Ohio Election Commission over his claim that she has accepted "blood money" from Turkish interests who deny the 1915 Turkish genocide of ethnic Armenians. Edmonds herself is a Turkish-born U.S. citizen. Schmidt is the co-chair of the Congressional Turkish Caucus.

A preliminary hearing in the case will be conducted by the Ohio Elections Commission in Columbus tomorrow. It will be open to the public, beginning at 9:30am, according to the Krikorian press release.

The press release also cites a story on the Fox "News" website today, highlighting a complaint from the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), against Google, charging that they inappropriately removed ads which deny the Armenian Genocide. Fox quotes "a person familiar with Google's policies" likening the ads to "a Nazi group that said the Holocaust is a myth."

On Saturday, Krikorian told The BRAD BLOG, during a break in Edmonds' testimony:

"From my opinion, if I'm some of the current members of Congress, I'd be very very worried about the information that's going to come out of this. There are current members of Congress that she has implicated in bribery, espionage. It's not good. It's crazy, it's absolutely crazy. For people in power situations in the United States, who know about this information, if they don't take action against it, in my opinion, it's negligence."

Video of his reaction on Saturday, as well as that of Edmonds and several of the attorneys involved in the deposition, is now posted here.

The Krikorian campaign's press release, issued within the last hour today, follows in full below...

Krikorian For Congress Press Release


FBI Whistleblower Provides Revealing Testimony In Schmidt v. Krikorian Case

Ohio Elections Commission To Hold Preliminary Hearing Tomorrow

Cincinnati, OH - August 12, 2009 - FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, testified on Saturday to her knowledge of Turkish Government infiltration of US Department of State and the US House of Representatives. The testimony was revealing and will be used in David Krikorian's defense against frivolous false statement claims brought by his 2010 opponent Representative Jean Schmidt.

Ms. Edmonds testified that the Turkish Lobby in the United States was under the direction of the Turkish Government and engaged in operations including bribery, espionage and blackmail with certain members of the US House of Representatives to further its objectives in the United States including one of which is the denial of the Armenian Genocide.

Representative Schmidt took more money from the Turkish lobby in the 2008 election cycle than any other member of the House or Senate and has already booked thousands in contributions from the Turkish lobby in 2009 despite their being almost no Turkish people or interests in Ohio's 2nd congressional district.

FOX News is reporting today that the Turkish Coalition of America, whose political action committee is a large contributor to the Schmidt campaign, had its Armenian Genocide denial ads pulled by Google. A Spokesman for Google said the company does not allow ads for Web sites "that suggest revisions to history or attempt to revise history against the interests of a protected group."

"Jean Schmidt has displayed a pattern of taking money from groups in exchange for pushing their agendas" said David Krikorian "Whether it be taking money from the trucking industry to raise the federal weight limit on tractor-trailer trucks despite the public safety hazard and road damage concerns or taking money from the banking lobby to push for bailouts for the banking industry or in this case taking money from the Turkish lobby in exchange for pushing its denial of the Armenian Genocide, Jean Schmidt has shown that she is for sale in the US House.

The Ohio Elections Commission will conduct a preliminary hearing tomorrow in Columbus. The hearing is open to the public and begins at 9:30 AM. Mr. Krikorian is confidant that the facts of the case will support his defense against Schmidt's outrageous claims.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2009, 04:47:25 PM »

Officials see rise in militia groups across US
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A140QG0&show_article=1&catnum=0

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The main thrust of their propaganda is headed up by Morris Dees (founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center).  A communist pro-black, pro-jewish ultra liberal california blogger has outed this sociopathic pervert and even compared him to Ted Bundy.  Southern Poverty Law Center is planning the next false flag attack to assist in causing race wars. We need to expose who is behind this attack before they pull it off so that hopefully we can stop the Southern Poverty Law Center from killing more babies like they did in OK City. Make sure everybody sees who we are dealing with:

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Morris Dees, Pathological Narcissist and Ultra-Creep
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/morris-dees-pathological-narcissist-and-ultra-creep/
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Normally, I don’t give a damn about stuff like this. I don’t care about womanizers. Some of my best friends were pretty notorious. But those guys for the most part had class. I don’t even care too much about guys who cheat on their wives, though you ought to try to be discreet if you do it. JFK wasn’t a bad man. Teddy Kennedy isn’t a bad man. Neither is Bill Clinton. Not all men can be faithful, but I think if you can’t, maybe you should not even get married in the first place.

This Morris Dees guy from the SPLC just goes way overboard.

Here are two pages from his divorce proceedings. This man is not just a sex addict and a womanizer, that’s not a problem. Worse, he is an out and out pathological narcissist. He’s like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey MacDonald. I suspect that in most cases, these guys are highly controlled like Dees and never commit any serious crimes, though they always push the envelope and often break the law.

For instance, it appears that Dees enjoyed peeping on his 16 year old daughter when she was naked. Also, at age 16, he appears to have either attempted to have sex with her or at the very least acted very inappropriately with her. I understand why men chase 16-year olds, but if you get caught, you are going down hard. The law’s the law. But what kind of a guy peeps on and tries to seduce his own 16 daughter, step-daughter or not?

Morris Dees, sexually, is simply a creep. I hate to say it but it’s true. He’s more than a womanizer, he’s an emotionally destroying monster. He’s a sexual psychopath and an emotional terrorist. As a man, he has no class. As a human being, he’s no good. The guy’s simply a prick. In White society, sooner or later, guys like this get punched out or even get their asses kicked. In more primitive societies, they might just get killed. He’s probably avoided all this because he’s rich.

In 1978, Dees conducted an affair with a woman. Vicki Booker McGaha. He told the wife over and over he was going to knock it off, but then kept going back to her. Finally he dragged both women over to the house and played sick emotional power games with them, almost making them fight over him, toying with them like a cat toys with a mouse before he kills it.

Finally he told Maureene, the wife, that she could see other guys, since she was threatening divorce, but she had to be discreet about it. Was Morris Dees discreet about his affairs? Of course not!

The wife went to Washington DC and met a lover there. Dees tailed her there and followed her to her hotel room where he hid. When she was in bed with her lover, he burst out and took pictures with a camera, causing a huge scene.

Dees was acting insane, and Maureene was afraid he was going to kill everyone in the room. He screamed that he had five detectives with him. He freaked out and punched Maureene in the face, breaking her jaw. Afterward, he whipped out an abusive divorce contract and practically forced her sign it. She signed it out of fear. He later gave her copies of the photos taken that night and told her to destroy them, as he said they were the only copies. Dees lied once again, as he retained copies for himself.

Starting right after they were married, Dees bragged incessantly, always saying how with his looks and money, he could get any woman he wanted. He constantly told Maureene about how women were propositioning him. Later in the marriage, he frequently regaled with tales of all the women he had had affairs with while he was married to her.

Among other women he had affairs with was Cathy Bennett, a female psychologist. He brought her over to his home to meet his wife, and she stayed with them for a week. At the time, he was apparently having an affair with her.

The Dees threw a party at their home in 1977. D. Rodgers, a physician, showed up, along with his wife, Judith Rodgers, a criminal psychologist. Incredibly, Dees took the doctor’s wife upstairs to his bedroom and had sex with her while the party was still going on!

Dees interviewed Deborah Levy, who worked for the ACLU, to run a magazine Dees was thinking of starting up that opposed the death penalty. The magazine never got going, but Levy and her boyfriend did visit the home for several days. Once Dees and his wife went on a canoe trip with the couple. Maureene woke in the night to find Dees having sex with Levy.

Dees turned to Maureene and ordered her to have sex with Levy’s boyfriend, but Maureene was not into that. Shortly before morning, Maureene woke again and Dees and Levy were having sex again, this time right next to her. Dees turned and kissed her while he was screwing Levy. Maureene was very upset by this, and in the morning she said she did not want this stuff to happen again.

Later, Dees and his wife went to New York. While there, Dees insisted that the couple visit Levy and her boyfriend, Michael Gaas. The couple went out for dinner. The next day, all four were talking, and Dees interrupted the conversation to tell Gaas that Dees and Levy were planning to go off and have sex that afternoon. Maureene was enraged and embarrassed by this.

Gaas was shocked and said that if that’s what you want to do, go ahead and do it. So Dees and Levy went off the bedroom and had sex, leaving Maureene and Gaas sitting there. To get back at him, Maureene and Gaas had sex in the living room. 45 minutes later, Dees left the apartment, came back after a while, and punched Gaas in the face, apparently for having sex with Maureene.

Later the couple met Charlie Springman, a gay man who worked for the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA). Morris invited the man back up to their room over Maureene’s objections, and Dees kept trying to seduce Charlie while Charlie tried repeatedly to leave. Finally, Dees asked Charlie to get in bed with them, and Maureene said forget it and headed off to bed.

Later, Dees and Charlie ended up in bed, with Maureene in the middle. Dees and Charlie then leaned over Maureene and kissed and sucked each others’ cocks to Maureene’s displeasure.

In the morning, Dees left. He came back and found Maureene crying on the bed. Dees said it would never happen again.

Dees’ son Scooter was dating Karen Sherman. She later married Scooter and became Karen Sherman Dees. At the time, they were 18 or 19 years old and were frequently over at Dees’ house. Unbelievably, Dees seduced his own son’s girlfriend right in front of his son’s eyes!

After dinner one night, Maureene and Scooter were washing the dishes, and Dees and Karen took off for the pool. Maureene and Scooter later headed towards the pool too, but before they got there, Maureene saw Dees with his arms around Karen. Both were naked, and Dees had a hardon. Maureen turned around, decided she did not want to go swimming, and steered Scooter away from the pool.

Later that night, Dees and his wife were lying in bed. Karen came into the room, naked except for a towel. She proceeded to climb into bed on Dees’ side. She stayed there for 10 minutes and then left.

This guy is just unbelievable. He wins Creep of the Year Award. I also insist that he’s a pathological narcissist with sociopathic tendencies. That’s redundant, because all pathological narcissists, and many narcissists for that matter, have sociopathic tendencies. I’m hardly an angel, but the way I see it is that Morris Dees is a bad man and a bad human being. That’s leaving aside his outrageous hustle exercise in con artistry called the SPLC.


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Education: BA Journalism, MA Linguistics.

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This is officially a pro-Jewish and pro-Black blog. Generally, topics focused through a progressive yet heterodox lens.

Discusses race a lot. Also lots of shock and horror videos – if it bugs you, don’t read or watch. I have been called a liberal race realist. Liberal race realism was described as a dash of race realism, positive white racial identity, the leftist view of American history, anti-racism, and a base of liberalism.

I see myself as a pan-humanist universalist, and a White ethnocentric anti-racist race realist, who strongly dislikes the PC, Cultural Marxist, Identity Politics, Western New Left. I am a White advocate because I am White and as the Talmud says, “If I am not for myself, who am I for?” I hearken back to an earlier Left that did not shy from cultural critique, particularly of backwards and reactionary cultures. Iconoclast, smashes all party lines, offends everyone. Notorious provocateur out to piss off the whole planet.

I am an antifa. I don’t like fascism, ethnic nationalism or ultranationalism of any kind. Period. Our philosophy is simple. We will make, albeit temporary, alliances with anyone. However, you don’t make alliances with fascists. You kill fascists. On the other hand, both nationalism in general (as it inevitably leads to ultranationalism and fascism) and internationalism (as it logically leads to Open Borders lunacy) are extremes to be avoided by any sane and decent person.

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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2009, 05:29:36 PM »


This story must needs be stickied or something.


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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2009, 05:33:15 PM »

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

Erm, is it true or not true that Oklahoma was an official false flag?


Not only was it a false flag, but the Southern Poverty Law Center worked directly with the conspirators to drum up anger and lay the ground work.

These are facts and the Southern Poverty Law Center is doing it again.
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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2009, 05:44:46 PM »

important quote from that article

"one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders."

Well, here ya go...all the evidence about the insanity of the Lone Wolf Idea:

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What happens when true power kills...







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Evidence of Revision (1 of 6) : The Assassinations of Kennedy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=666048701355447870

Evidence of Revision (2 of 6) : The "Why" of it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5335724479269105967

Evidence of Revision (3 of 6) : LBJ, Hoover and others
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2334637168204169083

Evidence of Revision (4 of 5) : The RFK assassination as never seen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=679700833693499618

Evidence of Revision (5 of 6) : RFK assassination, MK ULTRA
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8273110340777778333

Evidence of Revision (6 of 6) : MLK assassination
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4920540616782600949


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Entire Text from Wikipedia, text formating from me:  The Men Who Killed Kennedy is a video documentary series by Nigel Turner that originally aired in 1988 in England with two one-hour segments about the John F. Kennedy assassination. The United States corporation, Arts & Entertainment Company, purchased the rights to the original two segments. Three one-hour segments were added in 1991. A sixth segment was added in 1995. Finally, three additional hourly segments were added by the History Channel in November 2003.

The ninth segment, titled "The Guilty Men", directly implicated Lyndon B. Johnson. Within days, Johnson's widow, Lady Bird Johnson, more of his surviving associates, ex-President Jimmy Carter, and the lone, living Warren Commission commissioner and ex-President Gerald R. Ford immediately complained to the History Channel. They subsequently threatened legal action against Arts & Entertainment Company, owner of the History Channel. "The Guilty Men" segment was completely withdrawn by the History Channel, that action resulting in considerable controversy.

Also during the series, French prisoner Christian David named Lucien Sarti as one of three French criminals hired to carry out the assassination of Kennedy, when he was interviewed by author Anthony Summers. This claim is one of the most strongly investigated theories presented on the show, as well as one of the section taken least seriously.

As of March 2004, a panel of three historians (selected by The History Channel) is reviewing the claims made in "The Guilty Men". The History Channel has announced that it will be airing a live discussion about the claims.


JFK Online: The Men Who Killed Kennedy


Watch online:
Suppressed Episode One:
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Suppressed Episode Two:
1 2 3 4 5

Suppressed Episode Three:
1 2 3 4 5


In Memory of Those Who Lost Their Lives April 19, 1993

Waco: The Rules of Engagement

Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sBzs3ZBihk

Official Website
http://www.waco93.com

Shaking the foundation of democracy, the shocking revelations behind the tragic series of events outside Waco, Texas that killed four federal agents and 76 men, women and children of the Branch Davidian religious sect has finally been exposed.

Winner of an Academy-Award® nomination in light of its incredible discoveries, Waco: The Rules of Engagement brings forth devastating evidence of federal law enforcement gone tragically wrong. It dares to suggest the ATF provoked war with a group whose apocalyptic religious beliefs and rumored manufacturing of illegal weapons made them easy targets for an inevitable abuse of its members’ civil and human rights.

Waco: The Rules of Engagement will change forever the way the world thinks and talks about the tragedy at Waco and, most importantly, it will renew our commitment to the basic precepts of tolerance and freedom upon which American society is built.


Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4298137966377572665&ei=cOTqSdzeD52wqAOE3IGiDg&q=WACO%3A+The+Rules+of+Engagement+(1%2F2)

Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1755692679103175934&ei=9OPqSaqKI6nUqAPDt_GcDg&q=WACO%3A+The+Rules+of+Engagement+(2%2F2)



Larry Potts (and the IGI crew) who was the main instigator in Ruby Ridge, has connections to Hillary Clinton, and is the third accomplice in the OK City bombing. He was involved in Waco and connects the Waco extermination directly to the Clintons:

www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html
Larry Potts - He received a letter of censure for failure to provide proper oversight with regard to the rules of engagement employed at Ruby Ridge. "Rogers acknowledged that the Rules of Engagement he proposed specified that any adult with a weapon observed in the vicinity of the Weaver cabin or in the firefight area "could and should be the subject of deadly force." [FN534] According to Rogers he discussed this rule with FBI Assistant Director Larry Potts who concurred fully" Also involved in Waco. ... is now working for Investigative Group International (IGI), a private firm retained by President Clinton to investigate judges, reporters, and other potential enemies of his administration (according to a deposition of IGI director Terry Lenzner). Larry Potts was a buddy of Louis Freeh. Within the FBI, these special people are called "FOL" - Friends of Louie. [NYT 5/11/97] In 1997 Potts retired from the FBI and joined the Investigative Group International, Inc. as the Executive Vice President [site]

Site has been taken down, here is the archive from the way back machine:

LARRY POTTS

Larry Potts joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1974 and held various supervisory positions with the bureau beginning in 1981 in Denver. In 1995, he was selected by the Attorney General of the United States and the Director of the FBI to serve as the bureau's chief operating officer. In that capacity, he supervised more than 30,000 employees, including 10,000 FBI agents. He also managed a budget of more than $2.1 billion. Titles of various positions he held within the agency include: Assistant Director for the Criminal Investigative Division, Deputy Assistant Director for the Criminal Investigative Division, Inspector-In-Charge of VANPAC, Chief of the White Collar Crime Section, Assistant Special Agent in Charge of Boston, and Chief of the Public Corruption Unit. As an FBI supervisor, Potts was involved in some of the Bureau's most complex and sensitive investigations. While serving as the inspector in charge of VANPAC, he led the investigation of the murder of a federal judge and civil rights attorney. This task force included agencies from the federal, state and local levels, and utilized several hundred personnel. The investigation culminated with a successful prosecution. Potts also developed the organizational structure for major investigations which subsequently were used in other major cases such as the Los Angeles riots and the Oklahoma City bombing. Potts has extensive management experience in budget and personnel, as well as substantive white collar crime investigation experience involving banking, money laundering, health care fraud, and corporate fraud and corruption. He has also been involved in the supervision of FBI anti-terrorism activity. Potts received the Leadership Award from President Bush in a Rose Garden ceremony upon completion of VANPAC. He has also received the Presidential Meritorious Senior Executive Service Employee Award. In 1997 Potts retired from the FBI and joined the Investigative Group International, Inc. as the Executive Vice President Potts has served during 1997-1998 as a member of the Harvard/Stanford Universities Study Group on Terrorism. In June 1998 he presented a paper to a Russian/U.S. bilateral meeting of the Aspen Strategy Group. The paper discussed international cooperation on narcotics and terrorism matters. Potts holds a Bachelor's degree in History and Psychology from the University of Richmond.

Official site for rules of engagement: http://www.waco93.com/

PBS's Frontline disinformation: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten.html

Wake Up or Waco!
106 min - Sep 11, 2006
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828952309507467475


Forever etched in my memory is the look on Congressmen Sonny Bono's face when the evidence of the Davidian children was presented.  Also makes me suspicious of his untimely accident.
Are you familiar with the following interview?

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRqgzzQOluM (part 1 of 12)

True human beings rarely make it to Congress, but when they do, they're either marginalized (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich), driven from office (Cynthia McKinney), or, if they make too much trouble, murdered (Sonny Bono, Paul Wellstone).

The "shit" definitely "rises to the top" in Washington D.C.
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« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2009, 08:20:08 PM »

im just raving or ranting

well anyway my best guess

like you just said, there is something behind what they say

uhhh...... i think they're playning something

I don't know if anyone else noticed this or not, but didn't Glenn beck say that, although OTHER people are going to "march on washington" for that 9/12 thing, he was going to stay at home? I'm not making any accusations, but it just seems really convenient. Why won't he "march on washington" with his "followers"? Is he trying to set them up or something? I mean, maybe I'm just paranoid, but isn't this the same guy that said that 9/11 truthers are dangerous and will work with al-cia-duh? Isn't it the same one who, just today, RE-iterated that "we're in danger of militias and white supremacists"?
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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2009, 08:29:19 PM »

I don't know if anyone else noticed this or not, but didn't Glenn beck say that, although OTHER people are going to "march on washington" for that 9/12 thing, he was going to stay at home? I'm not making any accusations, but it just seems really convenient. Why won't he "march on washington" with his "followers"? Is he trying to set them up or something? I mean, maybe I'm just paranoid, but isn't this the same guy that said that 9/11 truthers are dangerous and will work with al-cia-duh? Isn't it the same one who, just today, RE-iterated that "we're in danger of militias and white supremacists"?

Are they supposed to be marching on 9/12 itself?

Convenient for him. Of course he's such a zealot and egomaniac, why wouldn't he take center stage at that thing?

Is somebody staying home and collecting his blood money after leading his sheep to the slaughter?
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2009, 06:07:05 PM »

Are they supposed to be marching on 9/12 itself?

Convenient for him. Of course he's such a zealot and egomaniac, why wouldn't he take center stage at that thing?

Is somebody staying home and collecting his blood money after leading his sheep to the slaughter?

HE'S NOT. HE'S staying at home, and THEY'RE gonna march..


 Sad Undecided Roll Eyes He reminds me of a historical figure, and it ain't Thomas Paine:

Benedict Arnold V (January 14, 1741 [O.S. January 3, 1740][1][2] – June 14, 1801) was a general during the American Revolutionary War who originally fought for the American Continental Army but switched sides to the British Empire. While he was still a general on the American side, he obtained command of the fort at West Point, New York, and plotted unsuccessfully to surrender it to the British. After the plot failed, he served in the British military.

Arnold has been called "the best general on either side of the conflict".[3] ... successful defensive and delaying tactics while losing the Battle of Valcour Island on Lake Champlain in 1776....

And every time he has another "former" CIA official on there spewing lies about innocent citizens of this country who have done nothing but embrace the constitution and the bill of rights, it lowers him further and further down the notch of journalistic integrity and intellectual capability and makes me more and more worried about the mainstream media's ability to somehow expose just some of the paradigm, play chess with the collective mind, when the public only knows how to play checkers. The "heroes" that are emerging from the shadows to blow the whistle on the corporations and banking cartels who are manipulating the economy so that we'll accept the health care bill (and the vaccines recommended by the WHO/CDC) should be encouraged heavily right now as we need to get the word out about the health care bill, but not just the "insurance" or "death panels" part, but the part about forced vaccination and that worse-than-draconian "Logan's Run" feeling that more and more people are getting about it.

 The 21st centuries' heroes are not the flying boy and regenerating girl, or the CIA agent who likes to torture little kids "to save the country"  Roll Eyes, it's the sore knuckles of a writer who's been up all night citing sources, it's the hunched back and peering eyes through scientific journals and in non-fiction sections of libraries...the ones who, after receiving scathing reviews and retorts, are able to continue on, always questioning, always hypothesizing...and who are able to come back with a serious argument against the ruling elite's eugenics ops that they disguised as vaccines in third world countries that helped the "doctors" figure out how to manipulate the body's system of defense so the different military bioweapons scientists can take advantage of by, say, putting a level IV biolab with bird flu in front of Hurricane Ike last year...yeah. that's right:
http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20081029_4994.php or letting melamine be in 90% of your baby's formula, (causes kidney damage somehow in Chinese babies overseas but don't worry...keep feeding your baby that toxic poison that the FDA said there was no safe level of just a year ago but now says it's ok in small amounts 3 months after saying there was no safe level) ; there's been over 10,000 adverse reactions to the last adjuvanted nightmare, Gardasil. Now they're going to use the adjuvants in even MORE young people, that will (depending on the presence or absence of some key genes that have to do with autoimmunity) cause autoimmunity with positive autoantibodies commonly seen in Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Lupus. At least that's what it did to the thousands of military it was tested on in the past 2 decades. And that's just evil. And personally, I don't care if you're Glenn Beck, Mother Theresa, or a "princess in japan" ; If you know about this, and if you're not exposing this, then there is something fundamentally evil or willfully ignorant about you, imho.

 
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