The ObamaCare Revolution Wages War on American Democracy

[Dig]

The ObamaCare Revolution Wages War on American Democracy
Daniel Greenfield 
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13546
By Daniel Greenfield  Sunday, August 9, 2009

The Town Hall meeting has long been a hallowed symbol of American democracy, as embodied in the famous Norman Rockwell painting, “Freedom of Speech” that shows a man, surrounded by his neighbors, rising to speak his mind. It is an image and idea that states forthrightly that government belongs to the people, and that it is governed by the people, not simply in some abstract national vote, but at the local level. That is why the Town Hall is a far more sacred and enduring definition of American democracy than the White House, the Capitol Building, and even perhaps the Constitution, because it defines the American system of government as based on public participation from the bottom up.

The Obama administration has cynically tried to hijack the Town Hall by transforming into a one way series of meetings, in which enthusiastic carefully chosen citizens voice their approval of his proposed policies. That is not an American Town Hall, it is a Soviet party meeting. In a Town Hall meeting, citizens question their elected representatives. At a party meeting, they give them their wholehearted approval. But it is a part of a pattern for the Obama administration, which works to put an All-American stamp on its un-American program.

Obama began the process with a one hour ABC network special “Town Hall” with no Republican opposition allowed. Naturally enough the Obama Administration’s Director of Communications for the White House Office of Health Reform (a position that never existed before) is herself a former ABC news correspondent. Meanwhile to close the circle, ABC’s own new Senior Medical Editor was an Obama donor.

Then the AARP, which had replaced its CEO with Barry Rand, a staunch Obama supporter, who had donated over 10,000 dollars to Obama, replacing Bill Novelli, who as a former McCain donor would have been considered unreliable. Unsurprisingly the AARP leadership, beginning with Barry Rand, came out for ObamaCare. By contrast many of the AARP’s core membership were unhappy with the organization’s sellout.

The real trouble came with the regional Town Hall meetings, where citizens oddly enough showed up to question their elected representatives. And they didn’t want to “do this thing fast”, as Senator Specter proposed. Instead of the manufactured consensus they had been counting on, e Democratic congressmen were suddenly facing real opposition from the public. And the acrimonious Town Hall meetings in which politicians tried unsuccessfully to silence voters, were a reflection of the American public’s negative reaction to ObamaCare.
Jon Stewart: “Wow. That Communist sounded a lot like our President”

When the Drudge Report ran a video of Obama at an SEIU union meeting talking about phasing out employee health care coverage entirely, the White House fired back by putting out its former ABC News correspondent to claim that it was taken out of context. The White House however had no rebuttal video to offer when Jon Stewart, usually a reliable ally of the administration on anything progressive, played Obama’s own statements, and said, “Wow. That Communist sounded a lot like our President.”

Instead the White House focused on the regional Town Halls. The multilevel strategy was to denounce anyone who dissented from the Obama administration’s line as either planted Republican lobbyists, or violent mobs of racists. On the one hand you had House Majority leader Nancy Pelosi claiming that Town Hall the protesters were carrying Swastikas, a blatantly false charge. On the other hand you had Senator Barbara Boxer claiming that the protesters were obviously high level Republican plants because they were too well dressed to be real. The bizarre image this conjures up of men and women in suits forming angry swastika wielding mobs would be bizarre to anyone but the most die hard Obama kool aid drinkers.

Unlike the Tea Party protests, the media had trouble ignoring the dissent anymore. Instead they followed the White House line by describing them as “mobs”, “extremists” and suggesting they were racist based on the flimsiest of pretexts, including posters of Obama done in the style of the Joker. Washington Post columnists began channeling the ghost of Joe McCarthy when he denounced the ”Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers” who “by poisoning the political well, they’ve given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They’ve become political terrorists.” Well clearly if you’re not loyal to Obama “and the Obama for which he stands, one nation under Obama”, and all that… you must be a political terrorists.


The same Democrats who had been hypersensitive about any perceived statement by Bush critical of their loyalty, shrieking repeatedly, “Don’t question our patriotism”, at the drop of a hat jumped into line to denounce anyone questioning their leadership as mobs of extremists and political terrorists. The next stage wasn’t far behind. The beat down.

Obama’s comments about the end of employer based health insurance was at an SEIU meeting. That of course was no coincidence. The SEIU is America’s biggest health care union and its most radical union as well. The SEIU left behind the AFL-CIO. They’re considered extremist even by union standards. And they’re considered thuggish. How thuggish? So thuggish that their violence was actually condemned by the President of the AFL-CIO. After the violence at the Detroit Labor Notes conference last year, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney said, “There is no justification—none—for the violent attack orchestrated by SEIU at the Labor Notes conference.”

AFL-CIO is no shrinking violet union. It has a storied history of mobsters, ugly mugs and thugs. And to boot, John Sweeney himself was a former SEIU President who had tried to moderate the extreme path on which Andy Stern had taken the SEIU. That was because the SEIU was not simply thuggish and corrupt toward its members and businesses. It was that of course, but it was also remorselessly aggressive toward other unions as well. Stern had led the SEIU walkout of the AFL-CIO, finding it not aggressive enough for his taste. The SEIU’s own feuds with UNITE and CNA, the California Nurses Union.

The CNA is itself no shrinking violet, a solidly left wing organization with a taste for election tampering. The SEIU however had become the dominant American health care union by focusing its unionizing further down the ladder, and then working their way up to the nurses. While the CNA fought for an individual nurses union, the CEIU wanted one union to rule them all. The resulting battle saw regular SEIU violence, so much so that CNA actually applied for a restraining order against Andy Stern and SEIU union members, to “cease and desist the stalking of, use of violence against, and harassment of officers, directors, and staff of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee.”

Under the restraining order, “SEIU and Stern are prohibited from stalking, threatening, or following CNA/NNOC leaders staff at work, in hospitals, clinics, and offices, at their homes. They are also barred from following their cars or harassing them with mail or phone calls… The order was prompted by a campaign of stalking and harassment by Stern’s SEIU over the past week in which SEIU teams have targeted CNA/NNOC leaders in nursing stations, harassed them at home, and followed cars.”


This was preceded by a covert campaign by the SEIU to take over the CNA with a front organization, as well as a frontal assault at the Detroit Labor Notes conference, in which 800 SEIU members charged the stage, resulting in injuries and possibly one death outside. The CNA and SEIU have since then come together on their support for Single Payer healthcare, which is essentially a euphemism for health care nationalization.

So there could have been no surprise at the White House, when the first wave of SEIU assaults on Town Hall meetings resulted in arrests. Obama’s email dispatch followed by AFL-CIO President John Sweeney’s dispatch targeting 50 high priority districts, were window dressing on the real dirty work that would be done by the SEIU union thugs.

The SEIU had been Obama’s major backers, kicking in 61 million dollars, and getting two cabinet appointments of their choice, the Health Secretary and the Labor Secretary. They were tied to Obama as power brokers even back in the Blagojevich era. Their appearance at the Town Halls quickly turned ugly, with barred doors, violence and arrests. Side doors were set up to pack the Town Halls with union members.
 
SEIU Attacks citizens

The following is a description of one SEIU attack,

“Kenneth was approached by an SEIU representative as Kenneth was handing out “Don’t Tread on Me” flags to other conservatives. The SEIU representative demanded to know why a black man was handing out these flags. The SEIU member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another SEIU member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male SEIU member and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly SEIU members, as they were wearing T-shirts with the SEIU logo. Kenneth was beaten badly. One assailant fled on foot; three others were arrested. Kenneth was admitted to St. John’s Mercy Medical Center emergency room, where he was treated for his numerous injuries.”

The media is naturally spinning this story as violence that people at the Town Halls critical of Obama’s program are responsible for. Just as they covered for the SEIU during its attacks on CAN. But the facts are there for everyone to see. The SEIU has a well known history of thuggery and intimidation. Congressmen like Carnahan who provided a special section for them and packed his meetings with SEIU members, had every reason to expect exactly this sort of outcome. And Obama cannot claim to be uninvolved with the SEIU either.

The Town Hall dissenters have often been elderly people, and therefore more vulnerable to SEIU thuggery. Obama made his own anti-democratic agenda quite clear when he stated that, “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess,” Obama said to loud cheers. Well his SEIU goons have been getting people who disagree with him out of the way. And then beating and kicking while they’re lying on the sidewalk, because theyr’e still not out of the way enough.


Packing Town Halls with members of a violent left wing union, in order to keep dissenting views out, and engaging in violent attacks against against them if they don’t keep out, is an assault on the most sacred symbol of American democracy. It’s a tactic gleaned from a Bolshevik playbook, with violence used to suppress dissent in the name of the organized “working class”. The violence of Obama’s SEIU goons in the name of the ObamaCare revolution is nothing more and nothing less than the Obama Administration showing its real face.

From calling for people to pass along any emails critical of ObamaCare to the White House, that is reminiscent of Soviet era informants programs (note that Democrats post 9/11 hysterically denounced a Bush White House plan to have postal workers and other local employees pass along tips about anyone suspected of planning terrorism as Orwellian, to hijacking Town Hall meetings to turn them into a bullhorn for Obama’s agenda-- it has become increasingly obvious that when democracy isn’t going Obama’s way, then rather than listen and go along, he’s chosen to try and suppress it instead. If Obama and the Democrats have to choose between Democracy and ObamaCare, they’ve made their choice clear. Meanwhile the American people have made their choice clear as well in polls and town hall meetings. Which side will win, will determine whether America will be a free nation or not.

[Berminator]

I'm gonna come clean,
i have no idea what Barrycare is.
anyone point me in direction of quick summary?
ta

[Harconen]

Anatomy of American Ignorance

Bill Noxid
Information Clearing House
Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:03 UTC
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23289.htm

It's a full time occupation trying to unravel the reasons Americans remain in the dark. What seems ( to any intelligent outside observer ) like sheer stupidity and arrogance is in reality an almost inescapable indoctrination process that begins before you are born, and ends some time after your dead. It is a system so complex and all encompassing that few can recognize any reality outside of it at all, and that of course is its intended purpose.

The astonishing amount of rage http://ow.ly/jW9l demonstrated during the course of this fallacious healthcare debate has exposed a great many unfortunate realities about the United States. This country's inherent ability to avoid the truth about its own origins and behaviors http://ow.ly/ix52 has become increasingly apparent during the first six months of this presidency, and ( as a result of the continued collective denial ) there's no chance of it ending any time soon.

It's generally not hard to find examples of the totality of mind control in this country, but last week produced a couple of rare examples. Arlen Specter's Town Hall meeting was evidently an important "test case" for the organizers of disingenuous dissent, and we got to see a variety of the false arguments. Just look at the two most obvious incidents.

First there was Craig Miller. Aside from the hypocrisy of the fact that in eight years of Bush, I don't recall one "protester" causing that kind of disruption, wagging their finger in the face of a senator, calling down the wrath of God on him, while the police stand around and wait for him to run out of breath - but the really astonishing event was the interview the next morning. Truly, it must be seen to be believed http://ow.ly/jPo0 . In eight minutes of interview, the man could not produce a single, solitary, intelligible reason for his rage. It was so embarrassing, that he eventually had to refer to his crib notes just to eek out some nonsensical fear of Czars, before Dylan had to mercifully end the non-conversation.

However the textbook example of why people in this country have no concept of reality was delivered by Specter's other heckler, Katy Abram. Certainly you all remember her... She was the one who announced that the "sleeping giant had awakened."

"I don't believe this is just about healthcare, it's not about TARP, it's not about left and right, this is about the systematic dismantling of this country. I'm only thirty-five years old, I've never been interested in politics. You have awakened the sleeping giant. We are tired of this. This is why everybody in this room is so ticked off. I don't want this country turning into Russia - turning into a socialized country. My question for you is what are you going to do to restore this country back to what our founders created according to the constitution."

First of all, what a meaningless statement and question that has no possible rational answer - and only serves to give the people like Craig Miller something generic to cheer for. The all-encompassing, non-specific, return to the "glory days" of the founding fathers. This is the kind of reaction these "phrases" are supposed to elicit, and that is what they are designed for. Not that Katy herself came up with any of it of course... She is merely parroting whatever and whoever she is listening to.

Evidence of that reality became painfully obvious when she was interviewed http://ow.ly/kmOL the next day by Laurence O'Donnell. From the onset, she flashed her doe in the headlights look ( that would be charming if this was a game show ), and proceeded to demonstrate her lack of knowledge about virtually everything that has occurred ( in this country and on this planet ) in the last ten years.

O'Donnell: "What made you want to go"

Abram:  "Umm, just sheer frustration, umm, I see all these things being pushed through very quickly, umm, TARP, this healthcare bill, umm, cash for clunkers, and the frustrating thing to me is these programs are being funded by me, my friends, my family, umm, we have a small business and the amount of taxes we pay out of that is ridiculous. And yet they want us to pay more - I, or, it sounds like they want us to pay more, so that, that is the root of my frustration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back."

O'Donnell: "In the plans discussed so far, the increase in taxation would occur only on families with incomes of over $250,000. Would that include you and your family?"

Abram: "Honestly it ( nervous laugh ), I'd rather, I'd rather not say... I don't even know ( another nervous laugh ). Umm, my husband takes care of the bills and everything, I, you know, he takes care of us, and that's all that matters, umm."

Are you serious? After that ridiculous rant about her, her husband, her friends, and her family having to fund these programs ( like it's the first time she's seen a government ), we find she has no idea how much her husband makes, how much they pay in taxes, or even what tax bracket they are in?!? The only thing ridiculous about the amount of taxes "she" pays is that she doesn't know the amount of taxes "she" pays, and has the nerve to portend outrage about it. Not to mention it is quite a testament to the woman's equality movement in this country - and particularly in her household.

O'Donnell: "Do you and your family have health insurance?"

Abram: "Yeah we do have health insurance, umm, we have a heath savings account that we pay for ourselves. We, we have a $5,000+ deductable, umm, that basically in the course of a normal year we will pay for all of our medical out, our medical needs out-of-pocket - doctors visits - and this year's been a little more difficult cuz my son's had surgery and it looks like we're looking for his, at a second one, umm, we're almost at our deductable so that's a good thing ( chuckle ), but that was a choice that we made, and that's what we wanted to do. Umm, and I want to be able to keep that choice, I don't want to be forced or slowly coaxed into a single payer program... I want to have my choice."

Truly, it's hard to believe how stupefied the people in this country are. Certainly that's nothing new ( in fact it's the crux of keeping these feeble minds enslaved ), but look at the depth of her confusion. Here we have a woman that after explaining that ( for all intents and purposes ) her family has no insurance, she claims to be afraid that someone will take that "choice" away from her. Her ( and her husband who obviously made this ridiculous arrangement ) pay the entire cost of their healthcare every year, plus whatever they pay to the insurance company that is laughing at them, and they are afraid someone is going to forcibly take that choice away from them? Force them to what? Not pay for Non-healthcare?

I'm fairly sure they have nothing to worry about. I can't imagine that in the good-ol' USA, someone is going to deprive you of your right to be an idiot and get screwed out of money you never see any return from - unless you "get lucky" and your child has to undergo two major surgeries in a year. These nitwits think they are defending their "free choice as Americans," when in reality they are defending the corporation's right to keep them poor, sick, and stupid - and forcing the rest of the populous to have no choice either.

But even more distressing and telling about the lack of awareness in this country is this next exchange, after explaining that her and her parents "don't talk politics" ( Who would have ever guessed ).

O'Donnell: "You said in your statement that you are thirty-five years old, and that nothing has gotten you interested in politics before, and what's interesting to me about that is that means you - as an adult - lived through 9-11, lived through the invasion of Afghanistan, the war in Afghanistan, the first chapter of what became two wars in the middle east - including the Iraq war. You lived through all of that, and were not - as you put it - "awakened" into an interest in politics. How could those things pass through your life like this and not spark any interest in politics prior to Washington saying "we think we want to help out some people who can't afford health insurance the way you can." Why would this be the thing that wakes you up after you were willing to just ignore politics as we went past 9-11, into Afghanistan, into Iraq?"

Abram: "Sure, I, I always seemed to have faith in the government and honestly, I didn't really care ( laugh ). Umm, I had other things going on - ya know, getting married, having children - it just, it wasn't a priority in my life, and, ya know I really didn't start even watching the news at all I think until maybe 1991 I guess it was, when, umm, we first went to the Gulf War - I remember watching CNN with my dad and watching the infra-red missiles going across that you could see, umm, and, I think it, to me, I mean maybe I'm just not that smart, but you know, it seems like we've kind of been at war for, since then, I mean - or maybe even before, I don't know - it just always seem like we're having some kind of conflict so, that, you know, whether, about wars - umm, I don't know, that just seems common place now... Umm, I think everybody's just so used to it.

What an atrociously callous and ignorant statement that surely could only come from an American. Ten years of genocidal crusader conquest for corporate profit, leaving untold millions dead, dying, and diseased, and this woman has the temerity to say "everyone is just used to it." If white phosphorous and depleted uranium weapons were raining down on her family and her healthcare needs included raising a child without any eyes, or scull, or arms, or legs as a result of the poisoned environment, I suspect she might be a little less flippant and a little less "used to it." What this country did in the last ten years, the whole world is going to have to deal with for the next hundred, and people like this are unaware anything has happened at all. This pathetic culture and its inability and unwillingness to recognize the continuous crimes committed against the lands and peoples of the world, is why people like this woman can tra-la-la through life without a clue of the horrendous damage her ignorance allows.

In part two, I'll examine how American's in general ( but these people in particular ) develop these false realities, and where they get their "information" from.

Bill Noxid http://billnoxid.wordpress.com/

Litany of Threats and Racist incidents - over healthcare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH5USJoFPr4

The Obama Problem: Black, and Unaware of it http://billnoxid.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-obama-problem-black-and-unaware-of-it/

Specter's Heckler: Interview with the mindless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsr0iGUDAPw

Anatomy of American Ignorance ( Youtube Interview ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpi7qro4y4g

[Dig]

Anatomy of American Ignorance

Bill Noxid
Information Clearing House
Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:03 UTC
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23289.htm

It's a full time occupation trying to unravel the reasons Americans remain in the dark. What seems ( to any intelligent outside observer ) like sheer stupidity and arrogance is in reality an almost inescapable indoctrination process that begins before you are born, and ends some time after your dead. It is a system so complex and all encompassing that few can recognize any reality outside of it at all, and that of course is its intended purpose.

The astonishing amount of rage http://ow.ly/jW9l demonstrated during the course of this fallacious healthcare debate has exposed a great many unfortunate realities about the United States. This country's inherent ability to avoid the truth about its own origins and behaviors http://ow.ly/ix52 has become increasingly apparent during the first six months of this presidency, and ( as a result of the continued collective denial ) there's no chance of it ending any time soon.

It's generally not hard to find examples of the totality of mind control in this country, but last week produced a couple of rare examples. Arlen Specter's Town Hall meeting was evidently an important "test case" for the organizers of disingenuous dissent, and we got to see a variety of the false arguments. Just look at the two most obvious incidents.

First there was Craig Miller. Aside from the hypocrisy of the fact that in eight years of Bush, I don't recall one "protester" causing that kind of disruption, wagging their finger in the face of a senator, calling down the wrath of God on him, while the police stand around and wait for him to run out of breath - but the really astonishing event was the interview the next morning. Truly, it must be seen to be believed http://ow.ly/jPo0 . In eight minutes of interview, the man could not produce a single, solitary, intelligible reason for his rage. It was so embarrassing, that he eventually had to refer to his crib notes just to eek out some nonsensical fear of Czars, before Dylan had to mercifully end the non-conversation.

However the textbook example of why people in this country have no concept of reality was delivered by Specter's other heckler, Katy Abram. Certainly you all remember her... She was the one who announced that the "sleeping giant had awakened."

"I don't believe this is just about healthcare, it's not about TARP, it's not about left and right, this is about the systematic dismantling of this country. I'm only thirty-five years old, I've never been interested in politics. You have awakened the sleeping giant. We are tired of this. This is why everybody in this room is so ticked off. I don't want this country turning into Russia - turning into a socialized country. My question for you is what are you going to do to restore this country back to what our founders created according to the constitution."

First of all, what a meaningless statement and question that has no possible rational answer - and only serves to give the people like Craig Miller something generic to cheer for. The all-encompassing, non-specific, return to the "glory days" of the founding fathers. This is the kind of reaction these "phrases" are supposed to elicit, and that is what they are designed for. Not that Katy herself came up with any of it of course... She is merely parroting whatever and whoever she is listening to.

Evidence of that reality became painfully obvious when she was interviewed http://ow.ly/kmOL the next day by Laurence O'Donnell. From the onset, she flashed her doe in the headlights look ( that would be charming if this was a game show ), and proceeded to demonstrate her lack of knowledge about virtually everything that has occurred ( in this country and on this planet ) in the last ten years.

O'Donnell: "What made you want to go"

Abram:  "Umm, just sheer frustration, umm, I see all these things being pushed through very quickly, umm, TARP, this healthcare bill, umm, cash for clunkers, and the frustrating thing to me is these programs are being funded by me, my friends, my family, umm, we have a small business and the amount of taxes we pay out of that is ridiculous. And yet they want us to pay more - I, or, it sounds like they want us to pay more, so that, that is the root of my frustration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back."

O'Donnell: "In the plans discussed so far, the increase in taxation would occur only on families with incomes of over $250,000. Would that include you and your family?"

Abram: "Honestly it ( nervous laugh ), I'd rather, I'd rather not say... I don't even know ( another nervous laugh ). Umm, my husband takes care of the bills and everything, I, you know, he takes care of us, and that's all that matters, umm."

Are you serious? After that ridiculous rant about her, her husband, her friends, and her family having to fund these programs ( like it's the first time she's seen a government ), we find she has no idea how much her husband makes, how much they pay in taxes, or even what tax bracket they are in?!? The only thing ridiculous about the amount of taxes "she" pays is that she doesn't know the amount of taxes "she" pays, and has the nerve to portend outrage about it. Not to mention it is quite a testament to the woman's equality movement in this country - and particularly in her household.

O'Donnell: "Do you and your family have health insurance?"

Abram: "Yeah we do have health insurance, umm, we have a heath savings account that we pay for ourselves. We, we have a $5,000+ deductable, umm, that basically in the course of a normal year we will pay for all of our medical out, our medical needs out-of-pocket - doctors visits - and this year's been a little more difficult cuz my son's had surgery and it looks like we're looking for his, at a second one, umm, we're almost at our deductable so that's a good thing ( chuckle ), but that was a choice that we made, and that's what we wanted to do. Umm, and I want to be able to keep that choice, I don't want to be forced or slowly coaxed into a single payer program... I want to have my choice."

Truly, it's hard to believe how stupefied the people in this country are. Certainly that's nothing new ( in fact it's the crux of keeping these feeble minds enslaved ), but look at the depth of her confusion. Here we have a woman that after explaining that ( for all intents and purposes ) her family has no insurance, she claims to be afraid that someone will take that "choice" away from her. Her ( and her husband who obviously made this ridiculous arrangement ) pay the entire cost of their healthcare every year, plus whatever they pay to the insurance company that is laughing at them, and they are afraid someone is going to forcibly take that choice away from them? Force them to what? Not pay for Non-healthcare?

I'm fairly sure they have nothing to worry about. I can't imagine that in the good-ol' USA, someone is going to deprive you of your right to be an idiot and get screwed out of money you never see any return from - unless you "get lucky" and your child has to undergo two major surgeries in a year. These nitwits think they are defending their "free choice as Americans," when in reality they are defending the corporation's right to keep them poor, sick, and stupid - and forcing the rest of the populous to have no choice either.

But even more distressing and telling about the lack of awareness in this country is this next exchange, after explaining that her and her parents "don't talk politics" ( Who would have ever guessed ).

O'Donnell: "You said in your statement that you are thirty-five years old, and that nothing has gotten you interested in politics before, and what's interesting to me about that is that means you - as an adult - lived through 9-11, lived through the invasion of Afghanistan, the war in Afghanistan, the first chapter of what became two wars in the middle east - including the Iraq war. You lived through all of that, and were not - as you put it - "awakened" into an interest in politics. How could those things pass through your life like this and not spark any interest in politics prior to Washington saying "we think we want to help out some people who can't afford health insurance the way you can." Why would this be the thing that wakes you up after you were willing to just ignore politics as we went past 9-11, into Afghanistan, into Iraq?"

Abram: "Sure, I, I always seemed to have faith in the government and honestly, I didn't really care ( laugh ). Umm, I had other things going on - ya know, getting married, having children - it just, it wasn't a priority in my life, and, ya know I really didn't start even watching the news at all I think until maybe 1991 I guess it was, when, umm, we first went to the Gulf War - I remember watching CNN with my dad and watching the infra-red missiles going across that you could see, umm, and, I think it, to me, I mean maybe I'm just not that smart, but you know, it seems like we've kind of been at war for, since then, I mean - or maybe even before, I don't know - it just always seem like we're having some kind of conflict so, that, you know, whether, about wars - umm, I don't know, that just seems common place now... Umm, I think everybody's just so used to it.

What an atrociously callous and ignorant statement that surely could only come from an American. Ten years of genocidal crusader conquest for corporate profit, leaving untold millions dead, dying, and diseased, and this woman has the temerity to say "everyone is just used to it." If white phosphorous and depleted uranium weapons were raining down on her family and her healthcare needs included raising a child without any eyes, or scull, or arms, or legs as a result of the poisoned environment, I suspect she might be a little less flippant and a little less "used to it." What this country did in the last ten years, the whole world is going to have to deal with for the next hundred, and people like this are unaware anything has happened at all. This pathetic culture and its inability and unwillingness to recognize the continuous crimes committed against the lands and peoples of the world, is why people like this woman can tra-la-la through life without a clue of the horrendous damage her ignorance allows.

In part two, I'll examine how American's in general ( but these people in particular ) develop these false realities, and where they get their "information" from.

Bill Noxid http://billnoxid.wordpress.com/

Litany of Threats and Racist incidents - over healthcare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH5USJoFPr4

The Obama Problem: Black, and Unaware of it http://billnoxid.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-obama-problem-black-and-unaware-of-it/

Specter's Heckler: Interview with the mindless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsr0iGUDAPw

Anatomy of American Ignorance ( Youtube Interview ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpi7qro4y4g

Anatomy of a state controlled "independent" hit piece against the phlebs by the elite...

DO YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLES YOU POST?

[Harconen]

Anatomy of a state controlled "independent" hit piece against the phlebs by the elite...

DO YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLES YOU POST?

Yes, and I see the videos also, where is the problem? You don't like posts with  different view on things?

[Dig]

Yes, and I see the videos also, where is the problem? You don't like posts with  different view on things?

differing view?

blaming people who are being raped by the queen bitch, harriman, rothschild, rockefeller. blaming the ones who have been put into perpetual poverty? blaming these brave citizens whose crime according to this author is to dare speak up against the man who covered up the coup d'etat of 1963 when harriman, rockefeller, bush blew JFK's brains out?

what exact differing opinion are you referring to?

[Harconen]

differing view?

blaming people who are being raped by the queen bitch, harriman, rothschild, rockefeller. blaming the ones who have been put into perpetual poverty? blaming these brave citizens whose crime according to this author is to dare speak up against the man who covered up the coup d'etat of 1963 when harriman, rockefeller, bush blew JFK's brains out?

what exact differing opinion are you referring to?

If I post something it doesn't meen that is mine personal opinion. It meens that I need to see some info from different angles and to see what people think about it, and to learn something new. You can't do that by looking in only one direction, can you?

[Dig]

If I post something it doesn't meen that is mine personal opinion. It meens that I need to see some info from different angles and to see what people think about it, and to learn something new. You can't do that by looking in only one direction, can you?

absolutely, so that is a great openning. it is your opinion that these people at the town hall who spoke up are the problem with this country as opposed to an oppresive and elite regime? please let me know what your opinion is that warrented this article. maybe i am missing something and owe you an apology

[Harconen]

absolutely, so that is a great openning. it is your opinion that these people at the town hall who spoke up are the problem with this country as opposed to an oppresive and elite regime? please let me know what your opinion is that warrented this article. maybe i am missing something and owe you an apology

WTF! Not MINE opinion. I just post it to see others opinion about it. I don't have it yet. Why? Becouse I don't live there, and I DON'T KNOW what is realy going on. One side is speaking one thing other side is speaking another thing. By now, I think that this woman (Katy Abram) have right http://ow.ly/kmOL .
When she speaks in first part of video.

Also about health care in general, my opinion is that is NWO "divide & conquer" tactic. Or better "rule by deviding"