Dr. Henry Niman, "A-H1N1 is NATURAL" Is He Cashing In...!!?

[sociostudent]

I was just trying to warn people by calling in about the vaccine adjuvants the other day, I have the sources to back up what I'm saying, I've BEEN getting involved by doing research until 4am and trying to warn people any way I can (handing out dvd's of endgame, making videos, calling senators, calling in on C-span and confronting heritage foundation people), and sometimes it seems like "little people"'s opinions don't matter to anyone anymore.

Just remember that EVERY SINGLE vaccine with ANY kind of adjuvant has had horrible side effects for thousands of people who take it, whether it's aluminum or oil-based. And I honestly don't care if saying that gets me put in jail or sued or whatever. I really don't care what happens to me anymore. I just want people to not take the shots with the adjuvants or the live vax. I know those are what will jump-start this pandemic (if there is one_.

[Mike Philbin]

We get it -- you're confused.

Cute.

and no, it's not that obvious that Alex was 'playing him'.

Remember this, thanks to the free distribution of films like Obama Deception, there are now MILLIONS of new listeners to the A.J. Radio Show.
 
and yesterday, they all heard recent reports of the a-h1n1 vaccine conspiracy issues shot down in flames.
 
yesterday, those MILLIONS of new listeners to a radio show heard that MILLIONS ARE INFECTED WITH A-H1N1 and THOUSANDS HAVE DIED IN ARGENTINA ALONE. And nothing was said about the (it turns out after overnight research) financial windfall doctors like Niman are set to make from mandatory global vaccine (whatever's in them, and these vaccines are gonna be made commercially from a patent-holder KIT). And instead of pacifying those millions of new listeners, this interview might have them all telling their mates, colleagues, priests etc... that there really is a PANDEMIC-EPIDEMIC and to be honest there's only speculation (not proof) either way now. Cards are in the air; freeze frame.
 


I've updated my blogpost with the four youtube videos of this interview but (having watched them) I'm still not totally convinced either way. I do like the way (in 3/4 @ 08:00) Alex  does the Rock's finger-dancing thing out of Southland Tales.

http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/08/millions-infected-with-h1n1-thousands.html

[sociostudent]

I'm just confused at Alex's attitude with the caller. He SHOULD have had that attitude with the guy spewing the bs about everyone needing the vaccine. That's like telling lemmings to go jump off a cliff right about now.

[sociostudent]

Here's the latest from Dr. Tenpenny:
http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/Dr_Mayer_Eisenstein_and_Dr_Sherri_Tenpenny_Sound_Alarm_About_the_Dangerous_Swine_Flu_Vaccine_This_is_a_Nightmare_They_Say,200928111.aspx


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Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, a Chicago physician and author of Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate, has taken up the cause of protecting the public for the government schemes to vaccinate millions of people, many children, for the Swine Flu. Here is a untested vaccine rushed into production for a flu strain which has not even killed a thousand people, far below what the fatalities from the normal flu strains every year. More than 100 million doses are currently in production and clinical trials are barely underway, leading people like Dr. Eisenstein to recommend that no one should go near this vaccination. In addition, reports are surfacing that the vaccines will contain thimerosal.

To say he and others of his ilk are outraged is a major understatement. Eisenstein has been a longtime opponent of mass vaccinations and, in the current environment with government schedules advocating upward of 40 vaccines for children, his crusade has taken on national proportions as parents and activist take up the fight. Issues such as vaccines causing autism in children along with other risks permeate a fight that is getting hotter every day. The following material brings home the info about the Swine Flu and basic flu shots, also thought to be pretty worthless.

First is this quote about the ingredients of the Swine Flu from Dr. Eisenstein's website: "The label indicates that this is a multi-dose vial containing Thimerosal used as a preservative. The Washington Post confirmed today that the swine flu vaccine, which is set to be rolled out nationwide this fall, in what some fear could ultimately become a mandatory vaccination program, will contain thimerosal, a mercury compound which is a toxin linked with autism and neurological disorders"

Further alarming to Eisentein is the following quote from top government official. US Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius confirms that the Swine Flu (H1N1) Vaccine will be laced with the mercury based preservative thimerosal. In an interview with Katie Couric Secretary Sebelius says thimerosal is safe and parents need not worry:

"Study after study, scientist after scientist, has determined that there really is no safety risk with thimerosal. There is concern about parents of why autism rates are rising. And, as you know, we've got some special NIH studies, thanks to the president, focused on just what is going on.

"But thimerosal has been proven to be safe. It's used in seasonal vaccine—seasonal flu vaccine. And, again, we want to assure people that that—the scientists, again, have confirmed—that there is really a safe factor with using thimerosol. It's an effective preservative and one that we think actually adds to the likelihood that we'll have a safe vaccine for a while to come"

Dr. Eisenstein's Comments to Sebelius are as follows:

I have only one comment For HHS Secretery Sebelius

BS in BS out:

And:

1. Smoking does not cause lung cancer

2. Mercury, aluminum, squalene, etc. are perfectly safe

3. The earth is flat

4. Autism does not exist

5. Oswald did not kill Kennedy (oops maybe that is true)

Need I go on!!!!



On Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's website, one of the country's most knowledgeable and outspoken physicians regarding the impact of vaccines on health, is all the following info on flu vaccines and the Swine Flu vaccine, it is very enlightening. Dr. Eisenstein has done a number of Webinar's with Dr. Tenpenny and holds her in high esteem. http://www.sherritenpenny.com

Read on and learn the truth about Flu vaccines and the Swine Flu Vaccines:



Do flu shots work?



Not in babies

In a review of more than 51 studies involving more than 294,000 children it was found there was "no evidence that injecting children 6-24 months of age with a flu shotwas any more effective than placebo. In children over 2 yrs, it was only effective 33% of the time in preventing the flu. Reference: "Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy children" The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 2 (2008).

Not in children with asthma

A study 800 children with asthma, where one half were vaccinated and the other half did not receive the influenza vaccine. The two groups were compared with respect to clinic visits, emergency department (ED) visits, and hospitalizations

for asthma. CONCLUSION: This study failed to provide evidence that the influenza vaccine prevents pediatric asthma exacerbations. Reference: "Effectiveness of influenza vaccine for the prevention of asthma exacerbations" Christly, C. et al. Arch Dis Child. 2004 Aug;89(:734-5.



Not in children with asthma (2)

"The inactivated flu vaccine, Flumist, does not prevent influenza-related hospitalizations in children, especially the ones with asthma…In fact, children who get the flu vaccine are more at risk for hospitalization than children who

do not get the vaccine" Reference: The American Thoracic Society's 105th International Conference, May 15-20, 2009, San Diego.



Not in adults

In a review of 48 reports including more than 66,000 adults, "Vaccination of healthy adults only reduced risk of influenza by 6% and reduced the number of missed work days by less than one day (0.16) days. It did not change the number of people needing to go to hospital or take time off work" Reference: "Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults" The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 1 (2006).

Not in the Elderly

In a review of 64 studies in 98 flu seasons, For elderly living in nursing homes, flu shots were non-significant for preventing the flu. For elderly living in the community, vaccines were not (significantly) effective against influenza, ILI or pneumonia.

Reference: "Vaccines for preventing influenza in the elderly" The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 3(2006).

What about the new Swine Flu shot?



A new report from a WHO advisory group predicts that global production of vaccine for the novel H1N1 influenza virus could be as much as 4.9 billon doses a year, far higher than previous estimates. The report says that vaccine makers are expected to produce about 780 million doses of seasonal flu vaccine for the northern hemisphere's 2008-09 flu season for the

June 12 Announcement: The new H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine is going to be made by Novartis. It will probably be made in PER.C6 cells (human retina cells) and contain MF59, a potentially debilitating adjuvant. MF-59 is an oil-based adjuvant primarily composed of squalene, Tween 80 and Span85. All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic. All rats developed an MS-like disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages.

Squalene caused severe arthritis (3 on scale of 4). Squalene in humans at 10-20 ppb (parts per billion) lead to severe immune responses, such as autoimmune arthritis and lupus. Reference: Kenney, RT. Edleman, R. "Survey of human-use adjuvants" Expert Review of Vaccines. 2 (2003) p171. Reference: Matsumoto, Gary. Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers and Why GI's Are Only the First Victims of this Vaccine. New York: Basic Books. p54.

Federal health officials will probably recommend that most Americans get three flu shots this fall: one regular flu shot and two doses of any vaccine made against the new swine flu strain. Reference: Washington Post, Wednesday, May 6, 2009

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is talking to school superintendents around the country, urging them to spend the summer planning what to do if the government decides it needs their buildings for mass vaccinations and vaccinating kids first. Reference: CBS News, June 12, 2009.

Is Mandatory Vaccination Possible?

1946: US Public Health Service was established and EO 9708 (Executive Order) was signed, listing the communicable diseases where quarantines could be used. 1946 and 2003, cholera, diphtheria, TB, typhoid, smallpox, yellow fever, & viral hemorrhagic fevers were added.

April 4, 2003: EO 13295 added SARS to the list.

April 1, 2005: EO 13295 added "Influenza caused by novel or re-emergent influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic" EO 13295 also: The president gave the Sec. of HHS the power to quarantine, his or her discretion. Sec of HHS has the power to arrange for the "apprehension and examination of persons reasonably thought to be infected" A cough or a fever could put a person at risk for being quarantined for an extended period of time without recourse.

January 28, 2003: Project BioShield was introduced during Bush's State of the Union Address. This created permanent and indefinite funding authority to develop "medical countermeasures"

The NIH was given authority to speed approval of drugs and vaccines. Emergency approval of a "fast tracked" drug and vaccine can be given without the regular course of safety testing.

December 17, 2006: Division E: The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act was added as an addendum to Defense Appropriations Bill HR 2863 at 11:20p on Saturday night, long after House Committee members

had signed off on the bill and gone home for the holidays. Section (b)(1) states:

The Sec of HHS can make a determination that a "disease, health condition or threat" constitutes a public health emergency. He or she may then recommend "the manufacture, testing, development, administration, or use of one or more covered counter measures…" A covered countermeasure defined as a "pandemic product, vaccine or drug"

Division E also provides complete liability protection for all drugs, vaccines or biological products deemed a "covered countermeasure" and used for an outbreak of any kind.

Complete liability protection has been given to drug companies for any product used for any public health emergency declared by Sec of HHS.

Pharma is now protected from all accountability, unless "criminal intent to do harm" can be proven by the injured party. They are protected from liability even if they know the drug will be harmful.

"By 1853, Parliament began passing laws to make the untested vaccine compulsory throughout the British Empire. Other countries of Europe followed suit. Once the economic implications of compulsory vaccinations were realized, few dared to disagree. Then, as now, the media were controlled by the vaccine manufacturers and the government, who stood to make huge money from the sale of these spurious vaccines"... Tim O'Shea, D.C.

What can I do?

These are just a few suggestions; please come up with more of your own! Add to this list and spread the word.



• Give this information to everyone you know and love.

• Contact local first responders (EMTs, Paramedics, Fireman, etc). Tell them what is will be in the flu shots and that *they* will be the first ones to get it.

• Contact local police and discuss concerns about mandatory vaccination. You go to church and to the grocery store with these folks and their kids play with your kids. They are not "scary" people. Take them coffee and a treat to get in the door... ?

• Contact local city council members about your liberties. You need their support to maintain your right to refuse.

• Write a small article for LOCAL, community newspapers. Watch for samples on http://www.drtenpenny.com

• Have at least 3 weeks of food and water at your house and be prepared to voluntarily self-quarantine of given no other options.

• Stock up on Vitamin D3 (3000 IU per person), Vitamin A, Vitamin C, etc and homeopathics for the flu

• Check out http://www.oathkeepers.org and http://www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com A pdf of their oath for easy printing is on www.DrTenpenny.com I am sharing this with local military recruitment office, reservists and retired military people we know.

• Connect with other activist organizations – those who support 2nd amendment issues, the environmental and animal rights. Help spread the word about their passion and get them involved with yours.

You can't do it all, but you can do something!

* As stated years ago by Margaret Mead, "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has"

For more information go to http://wwwPandemicFluOnline.com or http://www.drtenpenny.com

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[gratuitous]

It's very clear that many around here are not used to thinking for themselves. They have exchanged one doctrine for another, and when something doesn't seem to compute, they PANIC in CAPS and bold type. Don't confuse reacting with thinking...a football reacts to external stimuli but cannot think.

I'm down for Jones criticism when appropriate, but not for behaving in a mature manner and treating his audience like adults.

It is a lesson to be learned around here that one does not have to agree with a person's fundamental viewpoint to learn from them. Jones understands this and is able to take onboard and filter information without importing a whole mindset. In other words he is an adult capable of independent thought...are you?

[squarepusher]

It's very clear that many around here are not used to thinking for themselves. They have exchanged one doctrine for another, and when something doesn't seem to compute, they PANIC in CAPS and bold type. Don't confuse reacting with thinking...a football reacts to external stimuli but cannot think.

I'm down for Jones criticism when appropriate, but not for behaving in a mature manner and treating his audience like adults.

It is a lesson to be learned around here that one does not have to agree with a person's fundamental viewpoint to learn from them. Jones understands this and is able to take onboard and filter information without importing a whole mindset. In other words he is an adult capable of independent thought...are you?

And somehow this is supposed to explain away the fact he had an absolute crackpot and total fearmonger on without any credentials whatsoever? If you're going to have someone on who toes the big pharma line, at least have someone on that is respected by his peers. But by aligning yourself with crackpot doomsayers who just want to sell vaccines and start pouting their lips when talking about how many people are going to die - I'm sorry, that pretty much destroys your credibility as a host.

This is the exact same shit Daniel Estulin talked about - and contrary to what people on this board made of it, when he referred to Prisonplanet as a bunch of crazies, he wasn't kidding - he does NOT WANT to be associated with Alex when he repeatedly makes himself look like an ass or makes the whole movement look bad. Like when he made a total spectacle out of himself and the movement with that 'New World Order' film. Contrary to what the koolaid drinkers on this board might say, that film DESTROYED him, his message and his credibility - and Estulin recognized that and therefore wanted to distance himself from Alex.

I know we're having victories - but Alex needs to come off his high horses and realize now, more than ever, is a crucial date where we can't afford anymore goofing around. Stop associating yourself with the birthers (which is a TRAP), stop plugging these Obama Joker socialism T-shirt (another mainstream media-instigated trap), and start laying it out for people in a focused manner that doesn't leave yourself open to ridicule.

[birgit]

I'm watching the show from today, finally. My computer is infected with something, i think...it keeps crashing firefox (and even explorer)

Bet it's VISTA... a  slow to start problem ,wont log this  issue either! Have had the same problem since I got this computer 2 years ago.
 mine slows  and or crashes every program at will and for no reasons(apparent)
Only hope is w 7- ugh

This Ninam sounds like  the same type person / reason I abdicated from mainstream medicine. they KNOW all..yet know nothing
I > U  type. A shill for pharma

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

ok, 26:00 in, the guest completely gives it away. He says that the pandemic began in April , then corrects himself and says it began in MARCH (when the baxter story came out) but that "no one knew until April"

Long before April I was on Barbara Loe Fisher's Blog warning of this up coming man made pandemic. http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com/ (As John H)

I wanted to wake people up that never heard of the patriot movement (Awakening) before all this came down.     

[sociostudent]

I started having weird feelings about the research being done on flu vaccines in 2006, but I didn't really know about the adjuvants until just the last month or so.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

here's a little something for ya.

http://vactruth.com/2009/08/03/vaccinations-are-causing-impaired-blood-flow-ischemia-chronic-illness-disease-and-death-for-us-all-hp/

[JTCoyoté]

ok, 26:00 in, the guest completely gives it away. He says that the pandemic began in April , then corrects himself and says it began in MARCH (when the baxter story came out) but that "no one knew until April"

The curious thing is, the story broke in Bloomberg on February 24th, so you can bet your bottom dollar that insiders like the good doctor here, knew before that...

I think Alex pretty much described his reasoning for this guest at the end of the show... giving people a dose of the establishment line from an establishment guy is necessary to seeing all sides...

Here is a link to the breaking story thread here that started on 1 March...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=90023.msg521300#msg521300

JTCoyoté

"What has been the effect of coercion?
To make one-half the world fools and
the other half hypocrites. To support
roguery and error all over the earth."
~Thomas Jefferson

[sociostudent]

Here is a link to the breaking story thread here that started on 1 March...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=90023.msg521300#msg521300

wow, I was a total fluoride-head about it. I'm sorry.

[netizen_x]

I think it was a great interview, confusing and challenging but full of positives. AJ didn't over-react. He started realising he had an ignorant, self-interested, establishment shill on his show but stayed calm and let the info come out. He should have done the same with Baron de Rothschilde.

Alex knows when a guest is talking down to his audience and to the host and he managed it well. Like when Alex said 'the adjuvants are worse than the mercury' and the smart-arse medical expert replied 'oh, no the mercury is not an adjuvant', ha ha. Alex calmly countered, 'I know the mercury is not an adjuvant, but the adjuvant is worse than the mercury'.....Niman couldn't disagree with that truth.

I think this shows a new level in the infowar. We need to engage the purveyors of death, not just talk among ourselves.

[gratuitous]

The curious thing is, the story broke in Bloomberg on February 24th, so you can bet your bottom dollar that insiders like the good doctor here, knew before that...

I think Alex pretty much described his reasoning for this guest at the end of the show... giving people a dose of the establishment line from an establishment guy is necessary to seeing all sides...

Here is a link to the breaking story thread here that started on 1 March...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=90023.msg521300#msg521300

JTCoyoté

"What has been the effect of coercion?
To make one-half the world fools and
the other half hypocrites. To support
roguery and error all over the earth."
~Thomas Jefferson

Two separate issues are being conflated here. The Baxter story came out in Bloomberg at the end of Feb, but Niman was talking about the start of the flu pandemic which was identified in April but actually started in March, thus his self-correction is understandable.

As a general point to everyone: you need to listen to people properly! Niman has a vast store of info that is nothing to do with the "establishment line". For example, the avian gene in the swine H1N1 that presents at (I think) E627 is the reason the virus is able to spread readily in the summer months while the seasonal flu dies out. This is a basic example of the sort of  technical insight one can benefit from listening to Niman.

So he recommends the shot, big deal, most medical doctors recommend the seasonal flu shot which is the same as the current batch of swine shot apart from the virus used obviously, according to Niman. It is ludicrous to write Niman off as a "shill" because you dont share his viewpoint on the flu shot - it takes "throwing baby out with bathwater" to new levels of irrationality.

Like Jones says, this is not a cult where you must agree with the cult leader or scream in panic and make some sort of crisis out of it. I dont agree that Jones was exposing Niman or had that intention at any point. He was not interrupting because it was fascinating information and insights which are not readily available anywhere else.

[sociostudent]

Gratuitous, are you going to be taking the vaccine this fall?

[gratuitous]

Gratuitous, are you going to be taking the vaccine this fall?

It's irrelevant in this context and the question seems to miss the point I'm making, but no I wouldn't eat that stuff so I certainly wont inject it.

[sociostudent]

It's irrelevant in this context and the question seems to miss the point I'm making, but no I wouldn't eat that stuff so I certainly wont inject it.

But you think WE should have to?

[gratuitous]

But you think WE should have to?

I shouldn't be assisting you with this crude straw man, but no, no one should have to take anything...so what has this to do with getting good technical info from Niman? Or have you completely missed the point?

[sociostudent]

I shouldn't be assisting you with this crude straw man, but no, no one should have to take anything...so what has this to do with getting good technical info from Niman? Or have you completely missed the point?

Coming up with extrapolated #'s of deaths and illnesses that seem more for "shock value" than "actual value" is not "good technical info", imho.

[Unintelligable Name]

Or have you completely missed the point?

I haven't.

But if you want to end the strawmans being used on you just say Niman is a bad guy for saying take the vaccines -- that appears to be all they want.

[gratuitous]

Coming up with extrapolated #'s of deaths and illnesses that seem more for "shock value" than "actual value" is not "good technical info", imho.

Not really since most of Niman's numbers are actual reported stats..it remains to be seen whether his outlook is pessimistic or realistic - I suspect the latter.

[sociostudent]

And you also believe that you can create vaccines for viruses that don't exist yet?

[gratuitous]

And you also believe that you can create vaccines for viruses that don't exist yet?

What do you think about that concept, sociostudent? And why? I need to be sure that you're familiar with the theory before we discuss it.

[gratuitous]

I haven't.

But if you want to end the strawmans being used on you just say Niman is a bad guy for saying take the vaccines -- that appears to be all they want.

Haha but would that be enough? I think nothing short of a hysterical tirade castigating Niman as AlCiada, secret garter shill knight of queen Bess' stool groom would satisfy the desperate antihero syndrome around here.

[sociostudent]

Now you're the one exaggerating. I never said he was Al-Cia-duh. I said he sounded like a doctor would sound if they believed the bs the WHO/CDC/FDA/Biotech/Big Pharma industries fed them about vaccines being wonderful, and about this barely-lethal strain that was OBVIOUSLY bioengineered being somehow a natural occurrence or an "act of god" when the patent for the adjuvant, the patents for the mock-up viruses, all of it leads back to the industries and orgs I already mentioned. How can you NOT see that?

[Mike Philbin]

What do you think about that concept, sociostudent? And why? I need to be sure that you're familiar with the theory before we discuss it.

Just f**king DISCUSS stuff and stop peacocking.

[Mike Philbin]

Oh, in summary, I did get a chance to relisten to THE WHOLE SHOW again on refeed. And, admittedly, right at the end of the four hours, over an hour after seeming to 'piss on his own stomach about the A-H1N1 threat', I mean that's still what it sounded like and most new people will be radio listeners, Alex DID say that he wouldn't take the VACCINE no matter what that guy said.

But my initial horror still stands ... he was walking a tightrope and the chances are there were a helluva lot of new listeners who turned off after hour two once he'd given that Niman guy so much bullhorn-free air. Alex should have torn that fool a new throat.



Mike

[gratuitous]

Oh, in summary, I did get a chance to relisten to THE WHOLE SHOW again on refeed. And, admittedly, right at the end of the four hours, over an hour after seeming to 'piss on his own stomach about the A-H1N1 threat', I mean that's still what it sounded like and most new people will be radio listeners, Alex DID say that he wouldn't take the VACCINE no matter what that guy said.

But my initial horror still stands ... he was walking a tightrope and the chances are there were a helluva lot of new listeners who turned off after hour two once he'd given that Niman guy so much bullhorn-free air. Alex should have torn that fool a new throat.



Mike

Ridiculous. You mean Jones can listen to someone with a particular viewpoint and not immediately adopt it? You mean he is an adult capable of independent thought? Jones treated the audience like adults and, predictably, we have a bunch of crying kids who no longer know which way is up.

It is you that brings this movement into disrepute with this childish dependency on others.

[Mike Philbin]

It is you that brings this movement into disrepute with this childish dependency on others.

It's A.J.'s show - and he's not usually that forgiving. As A.J. said yesterday, "This is not some cult here." And I can see where he might wanna go, but it's the first time I've heard him do that in the few years I've been listening.

Hey, wait a minute. What happened to your Niman baseball bat?

Anyway, you done peacocking?

[Geolibertarian]

If people would only watch the following two documentaries, they'd realize why so-called "experts" with ties to the military-industrial complex are not to be trusted (not matter how knowledgeable or self-assured they sound):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8674401787208020885 (In Lies We Trust)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646 (Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda)

[gratuitous]

Now you're the one exaggerating. I never said he was Al-Cia-duh. I said he sounded like a doctor would sound if they believed the bs the WHO/CDC/FDA/Biotech/Big Pharma industries fed them about vaccines being wonderful, and about this barely-lethal strain that was OBVIOUSLY bioengineered being somehow a natural occurrence or an "act of god" when the patent for the adjuvant, the patents for the mock-up viruses, all of it leads back to the industries and orgs I already mentioned. How can you NOT see that?

Niman has said there are unusual elements to this virus but that most of it (ie the human and avian genes) were present from the 90s and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the remaining changes probably occurred naturally. Niman has agreed with those who say it could have come from a lab but that's as far as anyone has gone.

Niman has in the past called outbreaks as bioattacks, as a previously posted article explains, and this is why he is called a "crackpot" by his peers - but then people around here attack him because he's called a crackpot by his peers! (and smeared by big pharma). It's this sort of childlike doublethinking nonsense coupled with a complete failure to listen and think properly that is sadly evident around here.

when the patent for the adjuvant, the patents for the mock-up viruses, all of it leads back to the industries and orgs I already mentioned. How can you NOT see that?

Please document all of this with reference to this swine flu.

[sociostudent]

"Gibbs, J. S., Malide, D., Hornung, F., Bennink, J. R. & Yewdell, J. W.
(2003). The influenza A virus PB1-F2 protein targets the inner
mitochondrial membrane via a predicted basic amphipathic helix
that disrupts mitochondrial function. J Virol 77, 7214–7224."



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/health/01origin.html?_r=1&ref=science
The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced last week that the new virus had pieces of North American swine, bird and human flus and of Eurasian swine flu. Although rumors questioning that are circulating on the Internet, most geneticists believe it is correct.

It is essentially a blend of Eurasian swine flu and North American swine flu, but Western hemisphere strains have had an avian segment on the PB2 gene for at least 10 years and a human component on the PB1 gene since 1993, said Henry L. Niman, a biochemist who tracks flu mutations. “The original report is correct,” Dr. Niman said of the C.D.C.’s analysis. The rumors, he added in an e-mail message, stem from “someone who really doesn’t know how to analyze sequences (or is being misquoted.)”

It presumably is in pigs somewhere, perhaps in Mexico. The 1918 human H1N1 established itself in pigs by 1930. But, as Dr. Niman pointed out, it could be only in humans now — or even in a ferret.

The next question, said Dr. Robert G. Webster, a virologist at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, is: “How did this virus get in? Is Mexico importing swine from Europe?
While some scientists looking at the virus genome debated its origin, Peter Palese, chairman of microbiology at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine, found cause for optimism about the future. All the pandemic viruses of the last century — the 1918, 1957 and 1968 flus — had a mutation in the gene coding for a protein known as PB1-F2 that is thought to make a virus more lethal. The mutation, he said, is not in the new strain.

Dr. Niman, looking at the same sequences, saw a mutation that, at the same position in H5N1, appeared to speed the virus’s spread in Egypt. "


http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/baxter-vaccine-patent-h1n1/
"One thought from http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html  notes,” it is astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America  would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird  elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs — in Mexico! — and spread it to others in order to assist the World Health Organization in developing a new vaccine, reaping billions in the process. ” "
"Just 50 miles from the H1N1 ground zero outbreak in Mexico City, lies Baxter’s manufacturing plant in Cuernavaca, Mexico.  It was named one of the 10 Best Plants in North America for 2008 by Industry Week magazine. http://www.baxter.com/about_baxter/news_room/news_releases/2008/12_19_08_industryweek.html  The plant manufactures, “Water For Injection, Devices Medical, Premixes Formulations,” according to  http://www.alibaba.com/member/juanbaxter/aboutus.html . What else do they manufacture there?  What kind of water gets injected?  Germ Warfare? Bio Hazards? Virus Mutations? Vaccines? Cures or Causes?

The National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) has a satellite campus located in Cuernavaca, which is aimed at research and graduate studies. It also has an undergraduate program in genomics.  Cuernavaca is the home of the following research centers: Center for Genomic Sciences (UNAM),[3] the Institute of Biotechnology (UNAM),[4] the Institute of Physical Sciences (UNAM),[5] the Center for research in Energy (UNAM), the Institute of Mathematics (UNAM), the Center for Research in Engineering and Applied Sciences (UAEM),[6] and the National Institute of Public Health. Cuernavaca has the highest concentration of scientists and researchers in Latin America. -WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuernavaca  Cuernavaca is certainly a who’s who in genetics and research.

Certainly someone or some government knows how to engineer and unleash such deadly viruses, but the implication is horrendous. Equally horrific is that Americans could be subject to compulsory vaccinations and possible detention thanks to Patriot Act I, Patriot II, BARDA, BioShield I, BioShield II,  BARDA, Federal or State Emergency Medical Powers Acts, FEMA, and the most recent announcement of a Health Emergency from DHS and a level 5 pandemic level designation from WHO."


Gratuitous, why, if the PB1F2 gene (which is supposedly responsible for disrupting mitochondrial function) is inactive at this time, why are we even freaking out about this?

I'm not being a smartass anymore, I'm sorry I was in a bad mood last night ; my attitude was inappropriate, and I apologize.

I do, really, want to know about this stuff, I just know how big pharma plays the game, and I don't like playing games when it comes to my family and their well-being.

[Geolibertarian]

I'm not being a smartass anymore, I'm sorry I was in a bad mood last night ; my attitude was inappropriate, and I apologize.

No need to apologize; you're cute when you're pissed.   

[sociostudent]

What happened to Gratuitous? I was really getting to like him. Oh well...must've scared him off with something called "a valid argument" against his Lord and Savior, Dr. Niman.

[Dig]

Guys will you please stop getting on gratuitous' case?

He likes Niman's plan of taking a vaccine and shooting untested poisons where the manufacturer is immune from legal justice for yet unknown mutations of a still unknown virus into babies' blood stream.  WTF is your guys' problem?

I mean everybody will surely comply with such an obviously beneficial and hummane pharmaceutical fascist program, just like this happy monkey...

[gratuitous]

What happened to Gratuitous? I was really getting to like him. Oh well...must've scared him off with something called "a valid argument" against his Lord and Savior, Dr. Niman.

I knew you were trying to chat me up last night! I must have missed the "valid argument" though. 

[sociostudent]

"Gibbs, J. S., Malide, D., Hornung, F., Bennink, J. R. & Yewdell, J. W.
(2003). The influenza A virus PB1-F2 protein targets the inner
mitochondrial membrane via a predicted basic amphipathic helix
that disrupts mitochondrial function. J Virol 77, 7214–7224."



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/health/01origin.html?_r=1&ref=science
The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced last week that the new virus had pieces of North American swine, bird and human flus and of Eurasian swine flu. Although rumors questioning that are circulating on the Internet, most geneticists believe it is correct.

It is essentially a blend of Eurasian swine flu and North American swine flu, but Western hemisphere strains have had an avian segment on the PB2 gene for at least 10 years and a human component on the PB1 gene since 1993, said Henry L. Niman, a biochemist who tracks flu mutations. “The original report is correct,” Dr. Niman said of the C.D.C.’s analysis. The rumors, he added in an e-mail message, stem from “someone who really doesn’t know how to analyze sequences (or is being misquoted.)”

It presumably is in pigs somewhere, perhaps in Mexico. The 1918 human H1N1 established itself in pigs by 1930. But, as Dr. Niman pointed out, it could be only in humans now — or even in a ferret.

The next question, said Dr. Robert G. Webster, a virologist at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, is: “How did this virus get in? Is Mexico importing swine from Europe?
While some scientists looking at the virus genome debated its origin, Peter Palese, chairman of microbiology at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine, found cause for optimism about the future. All the pandemic viruses of the last century — the 1918, 1957 and 1968 flus — had a mutation in the gene coding for a protein known as PB1-F2 that is thought to make a virus more lethal. The mutation, he said, is not in the new strain.

Dr. Niman, looking at the same sequences, saw a mutation that, at the same position in H5N1, appeared to speed the virus’s spread in Egypt. "


http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/baxter-vaccine-patent-h1n1/
"One thought from http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html  notes,” it is astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America  would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird  elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs — in Mexico! — and spread it to others in order to assist the World Health Organization in developing a new vaccine, reaping billions in the process. ” "
"Just 50 miles from the H1N1 ground zero outbreak in Mexico City, lies Baxter’s manufacturing plant in Cuernavaca, Mexico.  It was named one of the 10 Best Plants in North America for 2008 by Industry Week magazine. http://www.baxter.com/about_baxter/news_room/news_releases/2008/12_19_08_industryweek.html  The plant manufactures, “Water For Injection, Devices Medical, Premixes Formulations,” according to  http://www.alibaba.com/member/juanbaxter/aboutus.html . What else do they manufacture there?  What kind of water gets injected?  Germ Warfare? Bio Hazards? Virus Mutations? Vaccines? Cures or Causes?

The National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) has a satellite campus located in Cuernavaca, which is aimed at research and graduate studies. It also has an undergraduate program in genomics.  Cuernavaca is the home of the following research centers: Center for Genomic Sciences (UNAM),[3] the Institute of Biotechnology (UNAM),[4] the Institute of Physical Sciences (UNAM),[5] the Center for research in Energy (UNAM), the Institute of Mathematics (UNAM), the Center for Research in Engineering and Applied Sciences (UAEM),[6] and the National Institute of Public Health. Cuernavaca has the highest concentration of scientists and researchers in Latin America. -WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuernavaca  Cuernavaca is certainly a who’s who in genetics and research.

Certainly someone or some government knows how to engineer and unleash such deadly viruses, but the implication is horrendous. Equally horrific is that Americans could be subject to compulsory vaccinations and possible detention thanks to Patriot Act I, Patriot II, BARDA, BioShield I, BioShield II,  BARDA, Federal or State Emergency Medical Powers Acts, FEMA, and the most recent announcement of a Health Emergency from DHS and a level 5 pandemic level designation from WHO."


Gratuitous, why, if the PB1F2 gene (which is supposedly responsible for disrupting mitochondrial function) is inactive at this time, why are we even freaking out about this?

I'm not being a smartass anymore, I'm sorry I was in a bad mood last night ; my attitude was inappropriate, and I apologize.

I do, really, want to know about this stuff, I just know how big pharma plays the game, and I don't like playing games when it comes to my family and their well-being.

[gratuitous]

Gratuitous, why, if the PB1F2 gene (which is supposedly responsible for disrupting mitochondrial function) is inactive at this time, why are we even freaking out about this?

OK, this is a good question but the answer is not quite so clear cut. The PB1-F2 is implicated in increasing the severity of flu because it has been shown to increase the incidence of bacterial pneumonia.

However, the PB1-F2 gene does not affect the severity of the initial "cytokine storm" which is the factor that makes young adults vulnerable, as we have seen with the current flu.

In the interview with Jones, Niman made the point that the current swine virus is not particularly efficient at replicating in a human host at the moment and therefore the incidence of cytokine storm is less, but if it acquires the ability, through reassortment with seasonal flu for example, to replicate more efficiently in humans then the viral load and severity of cytokine storm will increase dramatically, particularly in young healthy adults.


This is good reading for PB1-FB2:

http://www.virologyj.com/content/pdf/1743-422x-4-9.pdf

General info on cytokine storm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

[sociostudent]

OK, this is a good question but the answer is not quite so clear cut. The PB1-F2 is implicated in increasing the severity of flu because it has been shown to increase the incidence of bacterial pneumonia.

However, the PB1-F2 gene does not affect the severity of the initial "cytokine storm" which is the factor that makes young adults vulnerable, as we have seen with the current flu.

In the interview with Jones, Niman made the point that the current swine virus is not particularly efficient at replicating in a human host at the moment and therefore the incidence of cytokine storm is less, but if it acquires the ability, through reassortment with seasonal flu for example, to replicate more efficiently in humans then the viral load and severity of cytokine storm will increase dramatically, particularly in young healthy adults.

This is good reading for PB1-FB2

http://www.virologyj.com/content/pdf/1743-422x-4-9.pdf

General info on cytokine storm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

Fair enough, but what are the odds that that would even happen compared to the odds of a severe adverse reaction from the adjuvanted vaccine?

[sociostudent]

Also,

http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/baxter-vaccine-patent-h1n1/
"One thought from http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html  notes,” it is astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America  would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird  elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs — in Mexico! — and spread it to others in order to assist the World Health Organization in developing a new vaccine, reaping billions in the process. ” "
"Just 50 miles from the H1N1 ground zero outbreak in Mexico City, lies Baxter’s manufacturing plant in Cuernavaca, Mexico.  It was named one of the 10 Best Plants in North America for 2008 by Industry Week magazine. http://www.baxter.com/about_baxter/news_room/news_releases/2008/12_19_08_industryweek.html  The plant manufactures, “Water For Injection, Devices Medical, Premixes Formulations,” according to  http://www.alibaba.com/member/juanbaxter/aboutus.html . What else do they manufacture there?  What kind of water gets injected?  Germ Warfare? Bio Hazards? Virus Mutations? Vaccines? Cures or Causes?

The National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) has a satellite campus located in Cuernavaca, which is aimed at research and graduate studies. It also has an undergraduate program in genomics.  Cuernavaca is the home of the following research centers: Center for Genomic Sciences (UNAM),[3] the Institute of Biotechnology (UNAM),[4] the Institute of Physical Sciences (UNAM),[5] the Center for research in Energy (UNAM), the Institute of Mathematics (UNAM), the Center for Research in Engineering and Applied Sciences (UAEM),[6] and the National Institute of Public Health. Cuernavaca has the highest concentration of scientists and researchers in Latin America. -WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuernavaca  Cuernavaca is certainly a who’s who in genetics and research.

Certainly someone or some government knows how to engineer and unleash such deadly viruses, but the implication is horrendous. Equally horrific is that Americans could be subject to compulsory vaccinations and possible detention thanks to Patriot Act I, Patriot II, BARDA, BioShield I, BioShield II,  BARDA, Federal or State Emergency Medical Powers Acts, FEMA, and the most recent announcement of a Health Emergency from DHS and a level 5 pandemic level designation from WHO."

Does this not make you feel at least a little concerned about:
a. the inherent instability of these govt-funded, NSA-shielded, experiments that deal with genetically-altering viruses in 36 bioweapons labs now in the U.S.?
and
b. the genesis of this particular (unbelievably rare) strain, given that the major players in the vax biz being so close to the "crime scene", so to speak?
and
c. Given the above, how much undeserved trust do you think well-meaning scientists and researchers around the globe give the CDC, UN, and pharmaceutical companies, ESPECIALLY given the fact that they're running a multi-billion-dollar industry?