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Read this - Kamira Says: August 4, 2009 at 9:31 pm IceTrey wrote, “In order to retain his citizenship he had to renounce all other citizenships and take an oath of allegiance before he was 21.” What you’re speaking of is born out of the naturalization process only. This is why what Obama and his campaign put on Fight The Smears so blatantly proves he’s not a natural-born citizen. He’s actually not only admitting that he’s a dual-citizen, but he’s admitting that if he were to abide by the laws post-Constitution with regard to the presidency, he’d be looking at standing in a naturalization line. These aren’t requirements that natural-born citizens were ever mandated to take. If you were a natural-born citizen, there was no choice between two nationalities that one had to make at age 21. A natural-born citizen didn’t have to choose between anything. He wasn’t born with anything else besides his American nationality. There was nothing to choose between. A foreigner on the other hand, had to make a declaration of intent to become a citizen, then reside here for five years, have someone sponsor them in a court of law and before that court, take an oath of sole allegiance before even being considered of being allowed into the union of the new republic. If you had children before you were naturalized, they followed the patrus sequitur patrem rule, which meant you followed the nationality of your father as a free person. Yes, Vattel is often credited with equivalent language you see in the Constitution, but that came from the Committee of Style when they wrote it because language and words were important. But as Leo points out, Vattel is not the Constitution. But we know who did point out the Constitution in law and it was Justice Joseph Story in Conflict of Laws. He explains exactly what doctrine this country followed and it was the patrem rule when it came to all free persons. Read this book and it become immensely clear. See particularly sections 43, 44 and 46: http://books.google.com/books?id=DW8DAAAAQAAJ&dq=joseph+story+commentaries+on+the+conflict+of+laws&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=S-z8yO8_-E&sig=iE7mBK27XZAlns9Xt7ic7ILJbIY&hl=en&ei=XL9rSqL2CYX0MbHo_fgG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1What’s more, the application of the law is exactly as Justice Story defines and is in complete unison with the founder’s writings. We see it right here in BARRY V. MERCEIN, 46 U. S. 103 (1847), where there’s no doubt and if you notice, no allowances for double-allegiances whatsoever. It was unheard of: “The plaintiff in error being of legeance to the crown of England, his child, though born in the United States during his father’s temporary residence therein – twenty-two months and twenty days – not withstanding its mother be an American citizen, is not a citizen of the United States. It is incapacitate by its infancy from making any present election, follows the legeance of its father, partus sequitur patrem, and is a British subject. The father being domiciled and resident within the dominions of Her Britannic Majesty, such is also the proper and rightful domicil of his wife and child, and he has a legal right to remove them thither. The child being detained from the father, its natural guardian and protector, without authority of law, and writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum is his appropriate legal remedy for its restoration to him from its present illegal detention and restraint. Constitution United States, art. 3, sec. 2; Judiciary Act, 1789, sec. 11; Inglis v. Trustees Sailor’s Snug Harbor, 3 Peters, 99; 7 Anne, cap. 5; 4 Geo. III. cap. 21; Warrender v. Warrender, 2 Clar. & Fin. Ap. Ca. 523; Story’s Confl. Laws, 30, 36, 43, 74, 160; Shelford on Marriage, Ferg. Rep. 397, 398.” As you can see, there’s no allowance for double-allegiances. The U.S. refused to endorse it and they still don’t endorse it to this day. The intent of the framers was certainly not to endorse it, hence the patrem rule and framer Rufus King’s words at the constitutional convention: “Framer Rufus King said allegiance to the United States depended on whether a person is a “member of the body politic.” King says no nation should adopt or naturalize a person of another society without the consent of that person. The reason? Because “he ought not silently to be embarrassed with a double allegiance.” There was none of this citizen at birth of aliens when they constructed the words “natural-born citizen”. Justice Gray wasn’t even born yet. Therefore, no one can expect the Founders to have addressed an issue that wasn’t even allowed. You were either; a. a citizen having pledged to the declaration of independence. b. a citizen through inheritance of being born of citizen parents; or c. a citizen through naturalization If it’s not obvious, natural-born is B and the earliest laws on the books prove it. Nothing else matters except what the framers meant when they wrote Article II. Everything else is irrelevant. The fourteenth amendment doesn’t change what a natural born citizen is. It added to the list by saying that those included in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 were citizens so that the legislation couldn’t be reversed. They made a constitutional amendment out of that Act so they couldn’t revert back to slavery ever again. Wong Kim Ark adds to the list again, and even though that decision is cut from invisible cloth and should be thrown out, even Justice Gray doesn’t say that Wong Kim Ark is a natural-born citizen and he knew he couldn’t because he would have been impeached, if not laughed off the bench! Look at the dissenting opinion in that case and what is Justice Fuller saying? He’s saying, uh guys… I thought we followed the rule of partus sequitur patrem. You know? That little rule that says a child follows the nationality of his father? What you are seeing are anti-Americans trying to endoctrinate you into believing that this country never held the patrem rule, that we were based on English common law and jus soli. It’s garbage. It’s LIES. We followed partus sequitur patrem from Roman civil law and Justice Story confirmed that fact that other Justices followed. Look at the law and the history and it proves them wrong and Leo Donofrio right. It’s just going to take some time before guys like Bill O’Reilly read enough to get up to speed. The rest of them are doing it on purpose. They don’t want you looking at the early case law because that will show you the true Founder’s intent and they hate that. They want you to believe you’re helpless in this fight and there’s nothing you can do about it. You have to stay close to the period of the Constitution and study that. The Framers won’t steer you wrong. Neither will Joseph Story, David Ramsay, The Federalist, The Papers of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc. Leo Donofrio is 100% correct. The birth certificate makes not one iota worth of difference, although Obama should have never been allowed to hide it. That’s BS and everyone knows it. The real point is, Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be in that oval office. One thing I will agree with Bill O’Reilly about is that the Obama administration is going to make SURE it’s about his birth certificate, but not to only make the “fringe” look stupid, but because God forbid America goes digging into what’s behind Article II. There will be hell to pay and they know it. You may even demand your individual sovereignty and right to be heard in a court of law. How’s it feel to know you lost that right given to you by the Framers? And the socialists responded how? They laughed in your face. This is about a government take-over and letting Obama and that administration in based on lies to the American people and that’s the truth. It’s not about race. That’s another lie. Most of his administration and his congress are WHITE, including Obama. WHITE socialists who want to enslave you again. (end of quote) From - http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/the-dangerous-precedent-set-by-obama-being-president/#comments |
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 07:32:09 PM » |
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In other words, It doesn't matter if Bary was born in Hawaii or not. He STILL is inelgible per the natural born citizen requirement.
The Birth certificate focus redirects everyone to an issue that the media can play off as 'crazy conspiracy GOP sour grapes'. If we focus instead on his true ineligibility, because of his father;s British citizenship, and all the other things that go along with that, we avoid the whole 'birther' label and instead force the issue into one of SIMPLE LAW.
Instead of demanding secret documents and dealing with frauds, fakes, and phonies, we just point to the law. We SHOW THEM THE LAW.
SHOW THEM THE LAW!!!!! Barry is ineligible because he is not a natural born citizen and CANNOT EVER BE ONE NO MATTER WHAT BIRTH CERTIFICATES ARE COUGHED UP!!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 07:38:08 PM » |
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http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/the-relevant-obama-admission-2/ READ IT!!!! "When Barak Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a british colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children."
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 07:43:41 PM » |
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We SHOW THEM THE LAW. Careful now that can get you arrested these days.  |
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 07:48:12 PM » |
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I wonder if any of the framers of the constitution had a good laugh wondering how long it will have taken the British to sneak a dual citizen into the presidency. They probably had a good laugh about it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 07:52:33 PM » |
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hardrain77 wrote I wonder if any of the framers of the constitution had a good laugh wondering how long it will have taken the British to sneak a dual citizen into the presidency. They probably had a good laugh about it. Yeah right before writing the constitution to prevent it from happening. Saw Dylan a few nights ago, played 'Hard Rains A Gonna Fall.' Great show |
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 07:55:00 PM » |
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hardrain77 wrote
Saw Dylan a few nights ago, played 'Hard Rains A Gonna Fall.' Great show
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 07:57:44 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 07:58:47 PM » |
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You're the first person to catch on as to what my name is in reference too.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 07:59:05 PM » |
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Saw Dylan a few nights ago, played 'Hard Rains A Gonna Fall.' Great show
wow... my days in the early 60's... Like a Rolling Stone... the counterculture movement... vietnam war protests... The Doors... Jimi Hendrix... What is Bob Dylan up to these days? I hope he is not an Obamabot!  |
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 08:06:35 PM » |
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What is Bob Dylan up to these days? I hope he is not an Obamabot! This can be taken a lot of different ways, but he kinda gushes about him. But this is a man whose too bright to get sucked in for too long, though--especially all he's seen. http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6043331.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 |
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 08:11:28 PM » |
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What is Bob Dylan up to these days?
I hope he is not an Obamabot! Cmon Bob's too smart to play politics. Same old Bob except a few million extra miles on his voice. Wouldnt have it any other way though I think his voice is perfect for his songs and his age and the whole 9 yards. The wife and i danced our asses off at the show the other night. Willie Nelson played too had a great time outside of the heavy police presence and security. The police were in packs of four and everywhere you looked. huge outdoor ampitheater and you werent allowed to smoke on the lawn.  Bob was great though...here's what he's sounding like these days. He played keyboards alot and this year turned them up a bit more, was cool kind of sounded a little like the doors a few times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vtIxTRaNQ&feature=related |
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 08:28:32 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2009, 08:34:02 PM » |
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The old coot's gettin a bit senile i guess He is right, though, when he says Obama is like a fictional character. I don't think anything about him is based on fact.  |
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2009, 08:43:31 PM » |
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He is right, though, when he says Obama is like a fictional character. I don't think anything about him is based on fact.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2009, 09:13:41 PM » |
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Cmon Bob's too smart to play politics. Same old Bob except a few million extra miles on his voice. Wouldnt have it any other way though I think his voice is perfect for his songs and his age and the whole 9 yards. The wife and i danced our asses off at the show the other night. Willie Nelson played too had a great time outside of the heavy police presence and security. The police were in packs of four and everywhere you looked. huge outdoor ampitheater and you werent allowed to smoke on the lawn. Bob was great though...here's what he's sounding like these days. He played keyboards alot and this year turned them up a bit more, was cool kind of sounded a little like the doors a few times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vtIxTRaNQ&feature=related Really? Isn't that how he got started? Come gather round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon Youll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin Then you better start swimmin Or youll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin. Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance wont come again And dont speak too soon For the wheels still in spin And theres no tellin who That its namin. For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin. Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
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Protean wrote Really? Isn't that how he got started? Social consciousness in music is not playing politics. He never backed a horse and literally ran from those who wanted him to lead a political movement. Just because somebody says the word congressman doesnt make them a politician. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2009, 09:44:04 PM » |
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In other words, It doesn't matter if Bary was born in Hawaii or not. He STILL is inelgible per the natural born citizen requirement.
The Birth certificate focus redirects everyone to an issue that the media can play off as 'crazy conspiracy GOP sour grapes'. If we focus instead on his true ineligibility, because of his father;s British citizenship, and all the other things that go along with that, we avoid the whole 'birther' label and instead force the issue into one of SIMPLE LAW.
Instead of demanding secret documents and dealing with frauds, fakes, and phonies, we just point to the law. We SHOW THEM THE LAW.
SHOW THEM THE LAW!!!!! Barry is ineligible because he is not a natural born citizen and CANNOT EVER BE ONE NO MATTER WHAT BIRTH CERTIFICATES ARE COUGHED UP!!!!!
EXACTLY! And I didn't realize this until just now. Let me dumb it down for everyone... To be president, you must be at least 35 years old, a resident of the US for 14 years, and a Natural Born Citizen, meaning your mother and father must be US citizens. Obama's father NEVER WAS A US CITIZEN.  My God. What have we done, America? What have we allowed to have happen? The birth certificate thing is a scab on a much deeper wound... |
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2009, 10:33:24 PM » |
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Protean wrote
Social consciousness in music is not playing politics. He never backed a horse and literally ran from those who wanted him to lead a political movement. Just because somebody says the word congressman doesnt make them a politician.
You must be socially conscious to play politics, even in music. I remember the sixties. Bob Dylan was synonymous with protest. He knew it and helped stir it up. He knew what he was writing and the effect it had on people. "In May 1963, Dylan's political profile was raised when he walked out of The Ed Sullivan Show. During rehearsals, Dylan had been informed by CBS Television's "head of program practices" that the song he was planning to perform, "Talkin' John Birch Society Blues", was potentially libelous to the John Birch Society. Rather than comply with the censorship, Dylan refused to appear on the program.  By this time, Dylan and Baez were both prominent in the civil rights movement, singing together at the March on Washington on August 28, 1963. Dylan's third album, The Times They Are a-Changin', reflected a more politicized and cynical Dylan. The songs often took as their subject matter contemporary, real life stories, with "Only A Pawn In Their Game" addressing the murder of civil rights worker Medgar Evers; and the Brechtian "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" the death of black hotel barmaid Hattie Carroll, at the hands of young white socialite William Zantzinger. On a more general theme, "Ballad of Hollis Brown" and "North Country Blues" address the despair engendered by the breakdown of farming and mining communities. This political material was accompanied by two personal love songs, "Boots of Spanish Leather" and "One Too Many Mornings". By the end of 1963, Dylan felt both manipulated and constrained by the folk and protest movements." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_DylanSocial consciousness in Dylan's music began with the politics of protest. Never backed a horse? "Poverty is demoralizing. You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor. But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up — Barack Obama. He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to." --Bob Dylan |
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2009, 10:36:39 PM » |
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EXACTLY! And I didn't realize this until just now. Let me dumb it down for everyone... To be president, you must be at least 35 years old, a resident of the US for 14 years, and a Natural Born Citizen, meaning your mother and father must be US citizens. Obama's father NEVER WAS A US CITIZEN. My God. What have we done, America? What have we allowed to have happen?
The birth certificate thing is a scab on a much deeper wound...This is why I keep saying take the emphasis off the BC-- All Barky's sealed records need to be unsealed and released--what an interesting story they may tell. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2009, 10:39:22 PM » |
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Never backed a horse?
"Poverty is demoralizing. You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor. But we've got this guy out there now who is redefining the nature of politics from the ground up — Barack Obama. He's redefining what a politician is, so we'll have to see how things play out. Am I hopeful? Yes, I'm hopeful that things might change. Some things are going to have to."
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Wow hadnt seen that, yeah he's got senile i guess. Regarding Joan and the protests , sure he had a certain influence on social consciousness but never made it political. That quote you posted is first of its kind I have seen. Im shocked quite frankly. Q:What's your take on politics?Dylan:Politics is entertainment.It's a sport for the well groomed.Politicians are interchangeable.Q:Do you believe in the democratic process? Dylan:Yeah,but what's that got to do with politics?Politics create more problems than it solves.The real power is in the hands of small groups of people without a title. |
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Protean Never backed a horse? "In an interview with the Times of London, the musician is quoted as saying that Obama has changed politics in the U.S., though Dylan does not specifically endorse the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee" There leave it alone now. Read the tea leaves. Dylan liked to state his grievances to TPTB but also greatly distanced himself from political movements of any kind over the course of his career. He reflected what he saw back at people but never wanted to tell them what to do about it. |
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I see this discussion has turned to Dylan. In an effort to keep things on topic, I'll throw out the all important question we must seek an answer to: Where does Dylan think Obama was born?Whether or not he's a horse backer, he could still be a birther |
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Wow hadnt seen that, yeah he's got senile i guess. Regarding Joan and the protests , sure he had a certain influence on social consciousness but never made it political. That quote you posted is first of its kind I have seen. Im shocked quite frankly.
Q:What's your take on politics?Dylan:Politics is entertainment.It's a sport for the well groomed.Politicians are interchangeable.Q:Do you believe in the democratic process? Dylan:Yeah,but what's that got to do with politics?Politics create more problems than it solves.The real power is in the hands of small groups of people without a title.
Sure--but Dylan was always talking in circles, it's still politics, even in small groups of people without titles. As to being senile--hard to know. It reminds me a bit of Norman Mailer, who wrote an amazing review of Mark Lane's Rush To Judgement (first serious book to cover the shoddy Warren Commission and Gov. involvement in the JFK assassination), and then later, years later--he writes Oswald acted alone! Either Norman sold out or went completely senile. Dylan in the sixties was an icon--if you ever get a chance see "Don't Look Back" Dylan's second tour of England in the sixties--amazing movie. |
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Protean wrote Sure--but Dylan was always talking in circles, it's still politics, even in small groups of people without titles.
As to being senile--hard to know. It reminds me a bit of Norman Mailer, who wrote an amazing review of Mark Lane's Rush To Judgement (first serious book to cover the shoddy Warren Commission and Gov. involvement in the JFK assassination), and then later, years later--he writes Oswald acted alone! Either Norman sold out or went completely senile.
Dylan in the sixties was an icon--if you ever get a chance see "Don't Look Back" Dylan's second tour of England in the sixties--amazing movie. Yeah 'Dont Look Back' is great. Hey be sure and watch "Masked and Anonymous" if you get a chance. Its a fictional story where Dylan stars as himself under a different name. ..the U.S.. has been over run by drug lords and there's civil war. Very interesting. Great scene where a reporter gets all up in him asking all kinds of questions about his politics and Bob just stares silently looking extremely irritated. Good flick. I still dont think of Dylan as a political activist. I think of him more like a really entertaining court recorder. or just a dude taking notes at the scene of a crime... |
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2009, 01:47:35 PM » |
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Protean wrote Yeah 'Dont Look Back' is great. Hey be sure and watch "Masked and Anonymous" if you get a chance. Its a fictional story where Dylan stars as himself under a different name. ..the U.S.. has been over run by drug lords and there's civil war. Very interesting. Great scene where a reporter gets all up in him asking all kinds of questions about his politics and Bob just stares silently looking extremely irritated. Good flick. I still dont think of Dylan as a political activist. I think of him more like a really entertaining court recorder. or just a dude taking notes at the scene of a crime... stay on topic ... the certificate is just one item and so far seems to be exposing how secretive the WH is (if nothing else). there is his dad, the missing timeline, and a lack of any other info incl. college records. as far as the O/T shit... MASTERS OF WAR
www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ELgFGd2fs
Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just don't want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
While the death count gets higher
Then you hide in your mansion
While the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2009, 04:50:51 PM » |
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One thing sorely lacking in the Patriot/Freedom movement today is BARDS. We have a few bands, minstrels, etc, but nothing like there were back in the 60s, or during the Great Depression (Hank Williams, Woody Guthrie, etc...) Of course, most of the protest music in the 60s was developed and promoted by the secret squirrels of the military industrial complex, but hey, what can ya do? |
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2009, 05:33:52 PM » |
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Yeah speaking of irrelevant distractions sorry about the hijack.
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