Attention both libertarians and progressives: Obamacare is NOT single-payer!

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Hysterical, broken-record propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding, not only is Obamacare not a step "towards" single-payer health insurance, it's a giant leap away from it.

If this is news to anyone, please see the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wsPZsEYuok
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/6/as_obama_hosts_summit_on_health

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http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#socialized

Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?

No. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. The health systems in Great Britain and Spain are other examples. But in most European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan they have socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage medical practices or hospitals.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/march/obama_to_single_paye.php

Obama to Single Payer Advocates: Drop Dead

Corporate Crime Reporter
March 3, 2009

President Obama’s White House made crystal clear this week: a Canadian-style, Medicare-for-all, single payer health insurance system is off the table.

Obama doesn’t even want to discuss it.

Take the case of Congressman John Conyers (D-Michigan).

Conyers is the leading advocate for single payer health insurance in Congress.

Last week, Conyers attended a Congressional Black Caucus meeting with President Obama at the White House.

During the meeting, Congressman Conyers, sponsor of the single payer bill in the House (HR 676), asked President Obama for an invite to the President’s Marchy 5 health care summit at the White House.

Conyers said he would bring along with him two doctors — Dr. Marcia Angell and Dr. Quentin Young — to represent the majority of physicians in the United States who favor single payer.

Obama would have none of it.

This week, by e-mail, Conyers heard back from the White House — no invite.

Why not?

Well, believe it or not, the Obama White House is under the thumb of the health insurance industry.

Obama has become the industry’s chief enforcer of its key demand: single payer health insurance is off the table.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamacare-a-health-care-rationing-scheme-to-enrich-insurers-drug-companies-and-large-hospital-chains/14444

Obamacare: A Health Care Rationing Scheme to Enrich Insurers, Drug Companies and Large Hospital Chains

by Stephen Lendman



Global Research
July 20, 2009

On February 24, Barack Obama told a joint session of Congress that "we must....address the crushing cost of health care....caus(ing) a bankruptcy in America every thirty seconds. By the end of the year, it could cause 1.5 million Americans to lose their homes. In (each of) the last eight years....one million....Americans have lost their health insurance....Given these facts, we can no longer afford to put health care reform on hold....health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait, and it will not wait another year."

Behind the facade of reform, Obama and leading Democrats ruled universal, single-payer coverage off the table before debate even began. Instead they've focused on taxing more, rationing care, placing profits above human need, disdaining vital change, shifting the cost burden to individuals and requiring everyone to be insured; imposing fines up to $1000 for non-compliance, and making a broken system even worse.

On June 10, Physicians for a National Health Program advisor Walter Tsou told the House Education and Labor Committee:

    "Attempting to reconcile the dual imperatives of universal coverage and cost control through alternative methods besides single payer is an exercise in futility. When some congressional leaders declare that single payer is off the table, they are in effect saying that insurers will be protected, leaving the pain to patients, taxpayers and health care providers."

At the same hearing, the California Nurses Association and National Nurses Organizing Committee co-president Geri Jenkins said:

    "The current system rations care based on an ability to pay. Right now we are the only nation on earth that barters human life for money."

The administration and lawmakers have been unresponsive in moving ahead with House and Senate legislation to enrich health insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains. It will ration care, curb expensive treatments and surgeries for those who can't afford them, leave millions in the country uncovered, deny it altogether to undocumented immigrants even though they pay income, payroll and other taxes, and claim it's real reform like they always do.

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http://www.infowars.com/whats-really-in-obamas-health-care-reform-bill-a-plain-english-translation/

What’s Really in Obama’s Health Care Reform Bill – A Plain English Translation

Mike Adams
Natural News
July 31, 2009

Mrs. Bouchard seemed upset.
“I can’t afford health care as yet.”
The new health reform bill
Made her sickly and ill
“But I’d rather have cancer than debt!”


What’s really in Obama’s health care reform bill? Almost no one knows, and here’s why: It’s 1,017 pages long and written in an alien form of bureaucratic English that can barely be decoded by earthlings.

And yet, astonishingly, a U.S. Army translator has been found who speaks “Washington Doublespeak” and he was kind enough to decode the bill and post his plain-language findings over at FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts).

Below, we reprint what he found in the health care reform bill. As you read this, keep in mind that some of these translations are a bit loose with the interpretations, but I’ve personally spot-checked these points, and they are indeed all contained in the bill in one form or another (shrouded in Doublespeak language, of course).

Editor’s note: I don’t personally agree with every interpretation listed here, and some of the bill’s provisions are actually good ideas (like banning doctors from owning stock in health care companies). But overall, this interpretation points out many alarming provisions in the proposed health care reform bill…

From CMS at FreeRepublic.com:

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
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Who wrote up this "Obamacare" legislation anyway? Cetainly not the joker.
I bet it was written years ago and released right on schedule. Find out who wrote this travesty and you will find the culprits behind this govt power grab.

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Can someone please remove the duplicate above?
EXCERPT, EMPHASIS ADDED THROUGHOUT
Why Aren't Progressives Disrupting ObamaCare Town Halls?
by Dave Lindorff
Global Research, August 14, 2009
Counterpunch.org

Many progressives are getting all bent out of shape over the "brown shirt" rabble organized by health industry PR firms [doubtful and contradicts something he says below, but the spirit is right] to disrupt the so-called "town meetings" being organized all over the country by Democratic members of Congress.

What they are conveniently forgetting is that these are not really "town meetings" at all, at least in the sense of the town meetings I grew up with, and started out covering as a young journalist in Connecticut--that is, meetings called and run democratically, with leaders elected from the floor, open to all residents of a community.

These "town meetings" are really nothing but propaganda sessions run by members of Congress who are trying to burnish their fraudulent credentials as public servants, and trying to perpetrate a huge fraud of a health care bill that purports to be a progressive "reform" of the US health care system, but that actually further entrenches the control of that system by the insurance industry, and to a lesser extent, the hospital and drug industry.
  
ObamaCare is to health reform what bank bailouts are to financial system reform, which is to say it is the opposite of what its name implies.
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[...] Every effort has been made to bury an excellent bill, HR 676, offered up by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), which would cover every American by simply expanding Medicare to cover everyone.

The only proper response at this point is obstruction, and the more militant and boisterous that obstruction, the better.

Instead of opposing the right-wing hecklers at these events, progressives should be making common cause with them. Instead of calling them fascists, we should be working to turn them, by showing them that the enemy is not the left; it is the corporations that own both Democrats and Republicans alike.

The only proper approach to the wretched health care legislation currently working its way through Congress at this point is to kill it and start over. At these "town meeting" staged events, Obama and the Democrats need to hear, in no uncertain terms, that we don't want no stinkin' ObamaCare. We want Medicare for all.
  
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In a way I single payer is better than "government option", because for small businesses and individuals won't be able to "afford" anything more, but it gives the oligarchs to not have to take their own medicine.

Again the whole thing is a big stinking red herring. The problem is not the payment schemes. Its the high prices due several issues. Health care needs to be made affordable to most people, before one can bother making available to everyone.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5530Y020090604

Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies: study

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor
June 4, 2009

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Medical bills are behind more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday in a report they said demonstrates that healthcare reform is on the wrong track.

More than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but still were overwhelmed by their medical debts, the team at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio University reported in the American Journal of Medicine.

"Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, an advocate for a single-payer health insurance program for the United States, said in a statement.

"For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection," he added.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/january/denial-of-care-profits-73-million-for-cigna%E2%80%99s-retiring-ceo

Denial of Care Profits: $73 million for CIGNA’s retiring CEO

By Donna Smith, National Nurses Movement
January 7, 2010

It’s hard for most of us to imagine a lifestyle supported by a $73 million retirement bonus. It’s even harder to imagine a whole nation’s healthcare controlled by those who have benefited so wildly from denying healthcare to those who need it.

But Cigna’s Edward Hanway knows well what it feels like to rest in the lap of luxury thanks to all those profits he helped secure as he led one of the nation’s for-profit insurance giants through some very successful times. And as we lumber toward a new piece of healthcare legislation with new promises of expanded health insurance coverage and mandate for both individuals and employers to purchase private health insurance plans, insurance companies will have even more control over our healthcare – and the denials of care that make companies like Cigna pay out such obscene bonuses.

According to CIGNA’s press releases, Hanway had served in leadership capacities with America’s Health Insurance Plans, and the Alliance for Health Reform. “He is an outspoken advocate at the national level for greater transparency regarding health care quality and cost information available to consumers and a strong proponent of national quality standards for health care providers. He is recognized as a leader in the effort to improve the quality, accessibility and affordability of health care in the United States. Through the years, Hanway has been active in a wide range of issues and initiatives associated with health, education and international business.”

BEFORE you read further…National Nurses United, the new national union for RNs, is asking nurses and patients to demand Congress remove the mandates that would force Americans to purchase products from the CIGNA’s of the world. Call Rep. Pelosi (415-556-4862) and Sen. Reid (702-388-5020) and tell them to strip this bill of the CIGNA-mandates immediately!

Under Hanway’s leadership, Cigna also did what for-profit insurance companies do so very well to enhance the profits that become multi-million dollar bonuses. They denied care to thousands upon thousands of policyholders, and the company profits were protected.

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HR 3962: Why I Voted NO

by Dennis Kucinich
Common Dreams   
November 8, 2009

We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.

Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.

But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies - a bailout under a blue cross.

By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress' blog, Think Progress, states, 'since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.' Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that 'money will start flowing in again' to health insurance stocks after passage of the legislation. Investors.com last month reported that pharmacy benefit managers share prices are hitting all-time highs, with the only industry worry that the Administration would reverse its decision not to negotiate Medicare Part D drug prices, leaving in place a Bush Administration policy.

During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The 'robust public option' which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies.

Recent rises in unemployment indicate a widening separation between the finance economy and the real economy. The finance economy considers the health of Wall Street, rising corporate profits, and banks' hoarding of cash, much of it from taxpayers, as sign of an economic recovery. However in the real economy - in which most Americans live - the recession is not over. Rising unemployment, business failures, bankruptcies and foreclosures are still hammering Main Street.

This health care bill continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of America's manufacturing and service economies which suffer from costs other countries do not have to bear, especially the cost of health care. America continues to stand out among all industrialized nations for its privatized health care system. As a result, we are less competitive in steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping while other countries subsidize their exports in these areas through socializing the cost of health care.

Notwithstanding the fate of H.R. 3962, America will someday come to recognize the broad social and economic benefits of a not-for-profit, single-payer health care system, which is good for the American people and good for America's businesses, with of course the notable exceptions being insurance and pharmaceuticals.


http://pnhp.org/news/2010/march/pro-single-payer-doctors-health-bill-leaves-23-million-uninsured

Pro-single-payer doctors: Health bill leaves 23 million uninsured

A false promise of reform

For Immediate Release     
March 22, 2010

Contact:
Oliver Fein, M.D.
Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H.
David Himmelstein, M.D.
Margaret Flowers, M.D.
Mark Almberg, PNHP, (312) 782-6006, mark@pnhp.org

The following statement was released today by leaders of Physicians for a National Health Program, www.pnhp.org. Their signatures appear below.

As much as we would like to join the celebration of the House's passage of the health bill last night, in good conscience we cannot. We take no comfort in seeing aspirin dispensed for the treatment of cancer.

Instead of eliminating the root of the problem - the profit-driven, private health insurance industry - this costly new legislation will enrich and further entrench these firms. The bill would require millions of Americans to buy private insurers' defective products, and turn over to them vast amounts of public money.

The hype surrounding the new health bill is belied by the facts:

*  About 23 million people will remain uninsured nine years out. That figure translates into an estimated 23,000 unnecessary deaths annually and an incalculable toll of suffering.

*  Millions of middle-income people will be pressured to buy commercial health insurance policies costing up to 9.5 percent of their income but covering an average of only 70 percent of their medical expenses, potentially leaving them vulnerable to financial ruin if they become seriously ill. Many will find such policies too expensive to afford or, if they do buy them, too expensive to use because of the high co-pays and deductibles.

*  Insurance firms will be handed at least $447 billion in taxpayer money to subsidize the purchase of their shoddy products. This money will enhance their financial and political power, and with it their ability to block future reform.

*  The bill will drain about $40 billion from Medicare payments to safety-net hospitals, threatening the care of the tens of millions who will remain uninsured.

*  People with employer-based coverage will be locked into their plan's limited network of providers, face ever-rising costs and erosion of their health benefits. Many, even most, will eventually face steep taxes on their benefits as the cost of insurance grows.

*  Health care costs will continue to skyrocket, as the experience with the Massachusetts plan (after which this bill is patterned) amply demonstrates.

*  The much-vaunted insurance regulations - e.g. ending denials on the basis of pre-existing conditions - are riddled with loopholes, thanks to the central role that insurers played in crafting the legislation. Older people can be charged up to three times more than their younger counterparts, and large companies with a predominantly female workforce can be charged higher gender-based rates at least until 2017....

It didn't have to be like this. Whatever salutary measures are contained in this bill, e.g. additional funding for community health centers, could have been enacted on a stand-alone basis.

Similarly, the expansion of Medicaid - a woefully underfunded program that provides substandard care for the poor - could have been done separately, along with an increase in federal appropriations to upgrade its quality.

But instead the Congress and the Obama administration have saddled Americans with an expensive package of onerous individual mandates, new taxes on workers' health plans, countless sweetheart deals with the insurers and Big Pharma, and a perpetuation of the fragmented, dysfunctional, and unsustainable system that is taking such a heavy toll on our health and economy today.

This bill's passage reflects political considerations, not sound health policy. As physicians, we cannot accept this inversion of priorities. We seek evidence-based remedies that will truly help our patients, not placebos.

A genuine remedy is in plain sight. Sooner rather than later, our nation will have to adopt a single-payer national health insurance program, an improved Medicare for all. Only a single-payer plan can assure truly universal, comprehensive and affordable care to all.

By replacing the private insurers with a streamlined system of public financing, our nation could save $400 billion annually in unnecessary, wasteful administrative costs. That's enough to cover all the uninsured and to upgrade everyone else's coverage without having to increase overall U.S. health spending by one penny.

Moreover, only a single-payer system offers effective tools for cost control like bulk purchasing, negotiated fees, global hospital budgeting and capital planning.

Polls show nearly two-thirds of the public supports such an approach, and a recent survey shows 59 percent of U.S. physicians support government action to establish national health insurance. All that is required to achieve it is the political will.

The major provisions of the present bill do not go into effect until 2014. Although we will be counseled to "wait and see" how this reform plays out, we cannot wait, nor can our patients. The stakes are too high.

We pledge to continue our work for the only equitable, financially responsible and humane remedy for our health care mess: single-payer national health insurance, an expanded and improved Medicare for All.

Oliver Fein, M.D.
President

Garrett Adams, M.D.
President-elect

Claudia Fegan, M.D.
Past President

Margaret Flowers, M.D.
Congressional Fellow

David Himmelstein, M.D.
Co-founder

Steffie Woolhandler, M.D.
Co-founder

Quentin Young, M.D.
National Coordinator

Don McCanne, M.D.
Senior Health Policy Fellow

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Physicians for a National Health Program (www.pnhp.org) is an organization of 17,000 doctors who support single-payer national health insurance. To speak with a physician/spokesperson in your area, visit www.pnhp.org/stateactions or call (312) 782-6006.
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  I have heard Tarpley speak of their long-term scheme.  The health insurance companies are going to profit big time for 3 or 4 years so that they can be paid back for their political donations AND THEY CAN CUT SOME OF THEIR LOSSES ON THEIR DERIVATIVE BETS.  Then when the health care system collapses, IT WILL BE SINGLE PAYER AND GOVERNMENT RUN.  Tarpley makes a lot of sense on this issue.
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Although written a decade ago, the following is as relevant and insightful now as it was then:

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http://www.progress.org/archive/fold129.htm

The Paradox of Government-Monopoly Medicine

by Fred E. Foldvary
The Progress Report
2000

Why in the USA is health care a federal case? The nature of health care is that it is something you need at random, and when you need it, you've got to have it even at a high price. We also need food, but that we get on a regular basis, with no big surprises.

But while a health emergency can strike you at any time, like a tiger pouncing out of the dark, what appears random to the sufferers is a regularity for the population. We know that some regular percentage of folks will have injuries and illnesses during a year. That's why we can insure for it, just like we have life, home, and car insurance. So why don't folks just buy insurance privately?

In the USA, many do, only it's often done through the employer, since the boss gets a tax deduction and the worker does not. But many people are considered too poor to get insurance, so the federal government insures the poor with Medicaid and the old folks with Medicare. Now they want to expand the benefits to drugs. It is the nature of medicine that we can never have enough if it's user-free, so the push is to ever expand government coverage.

In Great Britain they decided that since everyone needs insurance, the national government may as well provide it to all. According to a poll by the Times of London, 46 percent of Britons regard their National Health Service as the greatest achievement of the British government in the 20th century (NCPA Policy Digest 2-10-00).

Is it not wonderful to get free health care? But it is not free - the British pay for it from taxes. As for the poor, government could instead give them health vouchers for private medical care. So the great benefit of government-provided medicine must be its monopolization, since if it is just a problem of money, then transfers or the redistribution of income would solve it.

The facts indicate that British health care is a wee bit short of utopian. The British NHS has 1.1 million patients on its hospital waiting lists, and half as many doctors per capita as the U.S.(1).

In cancer treatment, problems in the NHS include a chronic lack of funds, specialists, and treatment centers; unequal treatment throughout the country; and in some cases the postponement of aggressive treatment until it is too late. According to the World Health Organization, 25,000 Britons die of cancer unnecessarily each year. Britons are not provided with drugs that are routinely administered in the U.S. for colon cancer, leaving British subjects with a survival rate of 41% versus 64% for Americans. For women with breast cancer, the five-year survival rate is 67% in Britain compared to 84% in the U.S.A.

As for the totality of health care, the United Kingdom spends about 6.8% of its gross domestic product on health care, versus 14% in the USA. In the UK, some 500 people a year die while on the national waiting list for heart operations (2).

Evidently just making medicine a government monopoly does not improve service. Why then do so many Britons regard nationalized medicine as their country's crowning achievement? Partly it may be ignorance of how their system compares with that of the US, where the government provides subsidies rather than direct service. But mainly it may be that subsidies, vouchers, and income transfers are politically more volatile and subject to cuts than the outright entrenched provision of the service by government.

So it seems the British want security in medical provision, even at poorer service, and at the root of their insecurity is poverty. It is not the abject poverty of being hungry and homeless, but the middle-class privation of insufficient purchasing power and the fear of losing employment.

Nationalized medicine treats the symptoms of middle-class privation, but at a cost of substandard care. The cause of middle-class privation is the poison of taxation and economic restriction. The effective remedy is true free trade and the removal of the poison by totally untaxing wages and shifting public revenue to the rent of land. Wages would gush up by eliminating the hemorrhage of taxation, removing blocks from circulation, and making the economy ever so much more productive by the better use of space.

With high wages and the security that comes from a high demand for labor, Britons would be able to scrap their nationalized health monopoly and would well afford a full choice of insurance, mutual aid, and fee-paid plans. Ultimately nationalized medicine is kept in power by the greed of those who profit from land and the ignorance of the public that does not see the economic reality behind the superficial money transactions of daily life.



References

1. Paul R. McGinn, "Brits Rate NHS as Top Achievement," American Medical News, January 31, 2000.

2. Sarah Lyall, "In Britain's Health Service, Sick Itself, Cancer Care is Dismal," New York Times, February 10, 2000.

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I think the key point made by economist Fred Foldvary in the above article is that the health care issue is, at bottom, really about the unjust concentration of wealth and income in the hands of a relative few, since the varying degrees of poverty and privation that this concentration imposes on everyone else is what makes government assistance programs in general seem necessary in the first place.

To paraphrase Harry Browne, what ruling-class oligarchs and the corporate-whore politicians who lovingly serve them essentially do is cripple people economically, hand them a crutch, and then say: "See? You couldn't walk if it weren't for us!"

That's why the health care reform measures called for here must go hand-in-hand with the economic reforms called for here.
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20 Signs That The Health Care Industry Has Become All About Making As Much Money As Possible

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Thursday, September 9, 2010

Once upon a time in America, people became doctors and nurses because they wanted to help people, building hospitals was a labor of love, lawyers didn’t chase ambulances, health insurance companies did not openly abuse their customers and greedy pharmaceutical companies did not dominate the entire health care industry. But today all of that has changed. Why do most people choose a career in the health care industry today? It is because they want to make a lot of money and live a comfortable lifestyle. Why do most health facilities get built today? They get built because someone is hoping to make a huge profit. Why do so many lawyers specialize in medical malpractice? Here’s a hint – it is not because they want to make life better for people. Why do health insurance companies keep raising premiums even while they are making record profits? It is because they can and because they are greedy. Why are pharmaceutical corporations some of the most profitable companies on the face of the earth even though their products are harming tens of millions of people? It is because our health care system has become wildly corrupt and is now about making as much money as possible.

Not that everyone in the health care industry is motivated by greed. Some doctors and nurses volunteer a ton of their time to assist the poor and the needy. Others use their vacation time to go overseas and provide free medical care in third world nations. Many religious groups and non-profit organizations build hospitals and clinics because they are truly trying to help people. And there are a few health insurance companies that are trying to play the game honestly.

But unfortunately, those with noble intentions in the health care industry are the exception rather than the rule. Overall, the health care industry in America is all about the money, and it is about time that we quit pretending otherwise.

The following are 20 signs that the health care industry in the United States has become all about making as much money as possible….

1 – Even as the rest of the U.S. economy deeply struggles, America’s health insurance companies increased their profits by 56 percent in 2009.

2 – According to a report by Health Care for America Now, America’s five biggest for-profit health insurers ended 2009 with a combined profit of $12.2 billion.

3 – The top executives at the five largest for-profit health insurance companies in the United States received nearly $200 million in total compensation in 2009.

4 – According to an article on the Mother Jones website, health insurance premiums for small employers in the United States increased 180% between 1999 and 2009.

5 – Health insurance premium increases are getting totally out of control. For example, the 39% increase in health insurance premiums that Anthem Blue Cross imposed on some California customers last year was so obscene that it made national headlines.

6 – Since 2003, health insurance companies have shelled out more than $42 million in state-level campaign contributions.

7 – There were more than two dozen pharmaceutical companies that made over a billion dollars in profits in 2008.

8 – Each year, tens of billions of dollars is spent on pharmaceutical marketing in the United States alone.

9Nearly half of all Americans now use prescription drugs on a regular basis according to a CDC report that was just released. According to the report, approximately one-third of all Americans use two or more pharmaceutical drugs, and more than ten percent of all Americans use five or more prescription drugs on a regular basis.

10 – According to the CDC, approximately three quarters of a million people a year are rushed to emergency rooms in the United States because of adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs.

11According to a very surprising new study, 85 percent of new pharmaceutical drugs are “lemons” and pose serious health risks to their users.

12 – The Food and Drug Administration reported 1,742 prescription drug recalls in 2009, which was a gigantic increase from 426 drug recalls in 2008.

13 – Shocking new research has found that expectant mothers taking antidepressants have an astounding 68 percent increase in the overall risk of miscarriage. Yet the pharmaceutical companies are essentially doing nothing to stop this.

14 – The use of psychiatric medications among 18 to 34 year old members of the U.S. military and their wives increased by 42 percent between 2005 and 2009.

15 – There are some disturbing new medical studies that suggest that many of the most popular anti-depressant drugs are no more effective than a placebo.

16 – Pharmaceutical companies continue to rake in billions of dollars from selling vaccines and are encouraging even pregnant women to take them, even though there is mounting evidence that taking vaccines while pregnant dramatically increases the rate of miscarriage.

17 – One woman in New Hampshire is seeking more than $24 million in damages from the manufacturer of a prescription drug that she took for shoulder pain. It turns out that as a result of taking the drug, she is now blind and has been left scarred by internal and external burns.

18According to one stunning new study, the medical liability system in the United States added approximately $55.6 billion to the cost of health care in 2008.

19 – Pharmaceutical companies have become so greedy that now they are even attempting to patent our genes. It is being reported that over three million gene patent applications have been filed with the U.S. government so far. Tens of thousands of gene patents have already been granted at this point. It is estimated that companies hold approximately 40,000 patents on sections of the human genome right now. Those patents cover approximately 20% of our genes.

20 – According to a recent report, Americans spend about twice as much as residents of other developed countries on health care, but get much lower quality and far less efficiency in return.
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Secretive Executive Order Establishes ‘Big Brother’ Health Bureaucracy
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Secretive Executive Order Establishes ‘Big Brother’ Health Bureaucracy

Eric Blair
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September 15, 2020

On June 10th, 2010, amidst the chaotic 24-hour oil spill coverage, Barack Obama quietly signed an Executive Order that some claim lays the foundation for implementing Codex Alimentarius, which is a collection of internationally recognized standards, codes of practice, guidelines, and other recommendations relating to foods, food production and food safety (Wiki). Codex is widely viewed in the natural health world as a draconian measure to centralize control of all food and other ingestibles. While this Executive Order may not go that far, it does seem to lay the groundwork for much more control over our personal life choices.


Obama quietly signed an Executive Order that some claim
lays the foundation for implementing Codex Alimentarius.


Executive Order 13544, Establishing the National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council is a short document outlining the goals and scope of the order. The title gives the appearance that it only creates a Council, but buried within are detailed plans to carry out the “goals” of the Executive Order. Let’s take a closer look at the order. To begin with, the document appears to create the foundation for a massive new multifaceted bureaucracy with 12 departments consolidated in the “membership” of the new Health Council:

       Sec. 2. Membership.

       (a) The Surgeon General shall serve as the Chair of the Council, which shall be composed of:

       (1) the Secretary of Agriculture;

       (2) the Secretary of Labor;

       (3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services;

       (4) the Secretary of Transportation;

       (5) the Secretary of Education;

       (6) the Secretary of Homeland Security;

       (7) the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency;

       (8} the Chair of the Federal Trade Commission;

       (9) the Director of National Drug Control Policy;

       (10) the Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council;

       (11) the Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Indian Affairs;

       (12) the Chairman of the Corporation for National and Community Service; and

       (13) the head of any other executive department or agency that the Chair may, from time to time, determine is appropriate.

       (b) The Council shall meet at the call of the Chair.

This group, under Obama’s orders, is tasked with developing an “integrated health-care strategy” for prevention, wellness, and health promotion practices to make recommendations to the President and the Congress, presumably to create more laws to govern people’s life choices. And, of course, like all other Executive Orders, the Council will also be authorized to “carry out such other activities as are determined appropriate by the President.” — Sec. 3 (g)

Section 4 of the order allows the council to choose a 25-member civilian “advisory group” which is promoted as a “diverse group of licensed health professionals” which “shall develop policy and program recommendations and advise the Council” on preventative medicines and lifestyle changes. The notion that this group will be developing policy to manage preventative medicines and “healthy” lifestyles of Americans smells of Big Brother. It also seems to be another example of where a civilian advisory group (no doubt infested with corporate interests) will further control the herd of wild humans.

One of the goals is to compile the recommendations into a report for the President, within one year, to contain the following:

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54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill
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54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill

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March 8, 2011

While a majority of voters nationwide continue to favor repeal of the national health care law, those who have health insurance don’t think it’s very likely they will have to change their coverage.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows that 54% favor repeal of the law, including 44% who Strongly Favor repeal. Thirty-nine percent (39%) oppose repeal of the law, including 31% who are Strongly Opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Last week, 53% favored repeal of the health care law. Support for repeal has ranged from a low of 50% to a high of 63% since Democrats in Congress passed it a year ago.

But among voters who have health insurance, just 35% think passage of the law is at least somewhat likely to force them to change their coverage. That’s just one point above the lowest level measured since tracking began. Fifty-one percent (51%) don’t think that will be the case, while 13% more are not sure. The new findings include 20% who think it’s Very Likely they will be forced to change coverage and 23% who say it’s Not At All Likely.

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Does this mean the Obama whores at MSNBC will be accusing 54% of likely voters of being "racists"?  ::)
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Why Aren't Progressives Disrupting ObamaCare Town Halls?
by Dave Lindorff
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25 Shocking Facts About the Price-Gouging U.S. "Health Care" Industry
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25 Shocking Facts That Prove That The Entire U.S. Health Care Industry Has Become One Giant Money Making Scam

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April 12, 2011

What is the appropriate word to use when you find out that the top executive at the third largest health insurance company in America raked in 68.7 million dollars in 2010?  How is one supposed to respond when one learns that more than two dozen pharmaceutical companies make over a billion dollars in profits each year?  Is it okay to get angry when you discover that over 90 percent of all hospital bills contain “gross overcharges”?  Once upon a time, going into the medical profession was seen as a “noble” thing to do.  But now the health care industry in the United States has become one giant money making scam and it is completely dominated by health insurance companies, pharmaceutical corporations, lawyers and corporate fatcats.  In America today, just one trip to the hospital can cost you tens of thousands of dollars even if you do not stay for a single night.  The sad thing is that the vast majority of the money that you pay out for medical care does not even go to your doctor.  In fact, large numbers of doctors across the United States are going broke.  Rather, it is the “system” that is soaking up almost all of the profits.  We have a health care industry in the United States that is fundamentally broken and it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

But wasn’t that what Obamacare was supposed to do?  No, in fact Obamacare was largely written by representatives from the health insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry.  Once it was signed into law the stocks of most health insurance companies went way up.

The truth is that Obamacare was one of the worst pieces of legislation in modern American history.  It did nothing to fix our health care problems.  Rather, it just made all of our health care problems much worse.

In case you haven’t noticed, health insurance companies all over the United States have announced that they are going to raise premiums significantly due to the new law.  Of course they are just using it as an excuse.  They have been sticking it to us good for the last several decades and they just grab hold of whatever excuse they can find to justify the latest rate hike.

If you are looking for a legal way to drain massive amounts of money out of average Americans just become a health care company executive.  Health care has become perhaps the greatest money making scam in the United States.  When Americans are sick and have to go to the hospital most of them aren’t really thinking about how much it will cost.  At that point they are super vulnerable and ready to be exploited.

It is almost unbelievable how much money some of these companies make.  Health insurance companies are more profitable when they provide less health care.  Pharmaceutical companies aren’t in the business of saving lives.  Rather, they are in the business of inflating the profit margins on their drugs as much as possible.  Many hospitals have adopted a policy of charging “whatever they can get away with”, knowing that the vast majority of the public will never challenge the medical bills.

The system is broken.

Everyone knows it.

But it never gets fixed.

The following are 25 shocking facts that prove that the entire U.S. health care industry is one giant money making scam….

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 The  MONEY.. Its allways about the money..
 Rest assured the elderly,or any commoner affilcted with a long term illness, those who require life sustaining treatments, cancer victims, high cost surgery, etc etc, may as well accept the fact their out of luck.

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The  MONEY.. Its allways about the money..
 Rest assured the elderly,or any commoner affilcted with a long term illness, those who require life sustaining treatments, cancer victims, high cost surgery, etc etc, may as well accept the fact their out of luck.

I agree with that, however even the young, healthy ,strong, all others , by getting into the system are screwed to.  Vaccinations vaccinations, Kind of makes me wonder. maybe we the awake will be the only "lucky" ones.
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50 U.S. Health Care Statistics That Will Absolutely Astonish You
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50 U.S. Health Care Statistics That Will Absolutely Astonish You

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June 29, 2011

The U.S. health care system has become one gigantic money making scam, and you are about to see the statistics that prove it.  Today, the United States spends more on health care per person than any other country in the world by far.  The health insurance companies and the big pharmaceutical corporations are raking in gigantic mountains of cash and yet the quality of the health care that we receive in return is rather quite poor.  People living in Puerto Rico have a greater life expectancy than we do.  Residents of Cuba have a lower infant mortality rate than we do.  We are the most medicated population on the planet and yet we are also one of the sickest.  If the U.S. health care system was a country, it would have the 6th largest economy on the globe and yet rates of cancer, heart disease and diabetes continue to increase.  The U.S. health care statistics that you are about to read below are absolutely stunning.  For as much money as we shell out for health care, we should have the greatest system in the entire world.  But we don’t.  Something has gone horribly wrong.

As you read this, there are hordes of health bureaucrats and greedy corporate fatcats that are becoming incredibly wealthy while the rest of us go broke trying to pay for our health care.  In the United States today, health care bills cause more bankruptcies than anything else does.  Millions of Americans are afraid to go to the hospital because they know that even a short visit would be a huge financial burden.

Sadly, our politicians in Washington D.C. continue to make the problem worse.  Obamacare was one of the worst pieces of legislation that anyone has ever come up with in the history of the United States.  You could put a thousand monkeys in a room with a thousand typewriters for a thousand years and they wouldn’t come up with anything as bad as Obamacare.  Rather than doing something to address the abuses of the health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical corporations, Obamacare actually gives them more power.  In fact, huge portions of Obamacare are virtually identical to a bill that was written by the health insurance trade association in 2009.  Under Obamacare our health care costs will go up even faster and the quality of our health care will continue to go down.  So please don’t try to tell me that Obamacare is the solution to anything.

The health care system in the United States is so broken that it probably cannot be repaired.  The entire thing needs to be dismantled and completely reinvented.

If you doubt this, just check out the stats that I have compiled below.

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What Is ObamaCare?

Paul Craig Roberts
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Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Growing up in the post-war era (after the Second World War), I never expected to live in the strange Kafkaesque world that exists today. The US government can assassinate any US citizen that the executive branch thinks could possibly be a “threat” to the US government, or throw the hapless citizen into a dungeon for the rest of his or her life without presenting any evidence to a court or obtaining a conviction of any crime, or send the “threat” to a puppet foreign state to be tortured until the “threat” confesses to a crime that never occurred or dies at the hands of “freedom and democracy” while professing innocence.

It has never been revealed how a single citizen, or any number thereof, could possibly comprise a threat to a government that has a trillion plus dollars to spend each year on security and weapons, the world’s largest navy and air force, 700 plus military bases across the world, large numbers of nuclear weapons, 16 intelligence agencies plus the intelligence agencies of its NATO puppet states and the intelligence service of Israel.

Nevertheless, air travelers are subjected to porno-scanning and sexual groping. Cars traveling on Interstate highways can expect to be stopped, with traffic backed up for miles, while Homeland Security and the federalized state or local police conduct searches.

I witnessed one such warrantless search on Easter Sunday. The south bound lanes of I-185 heading into Columbus, Georgia, were at a standstill while black SUV and police car lights flashed. US citizens were treated by “security” forces that they finance as if they were “terrorists” or “domestic extremists,” another undefined class of Americans devoid of constitutional protections.

These events are Kafkaesque in themselves, but they are ever more so when one considers that these extraordinary violations of the US Constitution fail to be overturned in the Supreme Court. Apparently, American citizens lack standing to defend their civil liberties.

Yet, ObamaCare is before the US Supreme Court. The conservative majority might now utilize the “judicial activism” for which conservatives have criticized liberals. Hypocrisy should no longer surprise us. However, the fight over ObamaCare is not worth five cents.

It is extraordinary that “liberals,” “progressives,” “Democrats,” whatever they are, are defending a “health program” that uses public monies to pay private insurance companies and that raises the cost of health care.

Americans have been brainwashed that “a single-payer system is unaffordable” because it is “socialized medicine.” Despite this propaganda, accepted by many Americans, European countries manage to afford single-payer systems. Health care is not a stress, a trauma, an unaffordable expense for European populations. Among the Western Civilized Nations, only the richest, the US, has no universal health care.

The American health care system is the most expensive of all on earth. The reason for the extraordinary expense is the multiple of entities that must make profits. The private doctors must make profits. The private testing centers must make profits.The private specialists who receive the referrals from general practitioners must make profits. The private hospitals must make profits. The private insurance companies must make profits. The profits are a huge cost of health care.

On top of these profits come the costs of preventing and combatting fraud. Because private insurance companies resist paying and Medicare pays a small fraction of the medical charges, private health care providers charge as much as they possibly can, knowing that the payments will be cut to the bone. But a billing mistake of even $300 can bankrupt a health care provider from legal expenses defending him/her self from fraud accusations.

The beauty of a single-payer system is that it takes the profits out of the system. No one has to make profits. Wall Street cannot threaten insurance companies and private health care companies with being taken over because their profits are too low. No health-provider in a single-payer system has to worry about being displaced in a takeover organized by Wall Street because the profits are too low.

Because a single-payer system eliminates the profits that drive up the costs, Wall Street, Insurance companies, and “free market economists” hate a “socialized” medical care system. They prefer a socialized “private” health care system in which public monies flow into private insurance companies.

To make the costs as high as possible, conservatives and the private insurance companies devised ObamaCare. The bill was written by conservative think tanks and the private insurance companies. What the “socialistic” ObamaCare bill does is to take income taxes paid by citizens and use the taxes to subsidize the private medical premiums charges by private health care providers in order to provide “private” health care to US citizens who cannot afford it.

The extremely high costs of ObamaCare is not “socialistic medicine.” ObamaCare is high-cost privatized medicine that guarantees billions of dollars in profits to private insurance companies.

It remains to be seen whether such a ridiculous health care scheme, nowhere extant on earth except in Romney’s Massachusetts, will provide health care or just private profits.
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What Is ObamaCare?

Paul Craig Roberts
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Growing up in the post-war era (after the Second World War), I never expected to live in the strange Kafkaesque world that exists today. The US government can assassinate any US citizen that the executive branch thinks could possibly be a “threat” to the US government, or throw the hapless citizen into a dungeon for the rest of his or her life without presenting any evidence to a court or obtaining a conviction of any crime, or send the “threat” to a puppet foreign state to be tortured until the “threat” confesses to a crime that never occurred or dies at the hands of “freedom and democracy” while professing innocence.

It has never been revealed how a single citizen, or any number thereof, could possibly comprise a threat to a government that has a trillion plus dollars to spend each year on security and weapons, the world’s largest navy and air force, 700 plus military bases across the world, large numbers of nuclear weapons, 16 intelligence agencies plus the intelligence agencies of its NATO puppet states and the intelligence service of Israel.

Nevertheless, air travelers are subjected to porno-scanning and sexual groping. Cars traveling on Interstate highways can expect to be stopped, with traffic backed up for miles, while Homeland Security and the federalized state or local police conduct searches.

I witnessed one such warrantless search on Easter Sunday. The south bound lanes of I-185 heading into Columbus, Georgia, were at a standstill while black SUV and police car lights flashed. US citizens were treated by “security” forces that they finance as if they were “terrorists” or “domestic extremists,” another undefined class of Americans devoid of constitutional protections.

These events are Kafkaesque in themselves, but they are ever more so when one considers that these extraordinary violations of the US Constitution fail to be overturned in the Supreme Court. Apparently, American citizens lack standing to defend their civil liberties.

Yet, ObamaCare is before the US Supreme Court. The conservative majority might now utilize the “judicial activism” for which conservatives have criticized liberals. Hypocrisy should no longer surprise us. However, the fight over ObamaCare is not worth five cents.

It is extraordinary that “liberals,” “progressives,” “Democrats,” whatever they are, are defending a “health program” that uses public monies to pay private insurance companies and that raises the cost of health care.

Americans have been brainwashed that “a single-payer system is unaffordable” because it is “socialized medicine.” Despite this propaganda, accepted by many Americans, European countries manage to afford single-payer systems. Health care is not a stress, a trauma, an unaffordable expense for European populations. Among the Western Civilized Nations, only the richest, the US, has no universal health care.

The American health care system is the most expensive of all on earth. The reason for the extraordinary expense is the multiple of entities that must make profits. The private doctors must make profits. The private testing centers must make profits.The private specialists who receive the referrals from general practitioners must make profits. The private hospitals must make profits. The private insurance companies must make profits. The profits are a huge cost of health care.

On top of these profits come the costs of preventing and combatting fraud. Because private insurance companies resist paying and Medicare pays a small fraction of the medical charges, private health care providers charge as much as they possibly can, knowing that the payments will be cut to the bone. But a billing mistake of even $300 can bankrupt a health care provider from legal expenses defending him/her self from fraud accusations.

The beauty of a single-payer system is that it takes the profits out of the system. No one has to make profits. Wall Street cannot threaten insurance companies and private health care companies with being taken over because their profits are too low. No health-provider in a single-payer system has to worry about being displaced in a takeover organized by Wall Street because the profits are too low.

Because a single-payer system eliminates the profits that drive up the costs, Wall Street, Insurance companies, and “free market economists” hate a “socialized” medical care system. They prefer a socialized “private” health care system in which public monies flow into private insurance companies.

To make the costs as high as possible, conservatives and the private insurance companies devised ObamaCare. The bill was written by conservative think tanks and the private insurance companies. What the “socialistic” ObamaCare bill does is to take income taxes paid by citizens and use the taxes to subsidize the private medical premiums charges by private health care providers in order to provide “private” health care to US citizens who cannot afford it.

The extremely high costs of ObamaCare is not “socialistic medicine.” ObamaCare is high-cost privatized medicine that guarantees billions of dollars in profits to private insurance companies.

It remains to be seen whether such a ridiculous health care scheme, nowhere extant on earth except in Romney’s Massachusetts, will provide health care or just private profits.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/10/us-usa-healthcare-budget-idUSBRE83905Q20120410


Obama healthcare could worsen U.S. debt: Republican study



By John Crawley
WASHINGTON | Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:41am EDT
(Reuters) - Instead of curbing government spending, President Barack Obama's healthcare law could add up to $530 billion to the federal debt over ten years, a Republican expert on U.S. government benefit


 You can be sure it will be WAY MORE THAN $530 BILLION ADDED TO THE FEDERAL DEBT OVER 10 YEARS.
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Obamacare costing taxpayers twice as much as originally claimed
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The fraud roll-out continues: Obamacare costing taxpayers twice as much as originally claimed

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March 20, 2013

When he was selling the Affordable Care Act during his first term, President Obama claimed that the government’s near-complete takeover of the nation’s healthcare industry would be, well, affordable.

Everyone from the president on down in his administration and in the Democratic leadership insisted that the naysayers and critics were wrong, that Obamacare would not tank the nation by becoming another parasitic entitlement drain on the treasury.

Well, that was 2010. In 2013, fewer than three years later and as more and more provisions of this monstrosity of a law take effect, Americans are beginning to feel the full effect of exactly what then-House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., meant when she said of Obamacare, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it…”

Yes, healthcare is about to get a lot more expensive

Take the cost of Obamacare. When he was stumping for it, the president promised Americans that, not only could the nation pay for it, but that it would cost around $900 billion over the next decade.

As congressional and independent studies are now confirming; however, Obama’s cost claims were grossly understated.

“President Obama promised a joint session of Congress in 2009 to spend $900 billion over ten years on his health care law: ‘Now, add it all up, and the plan that I’m proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years.’ Adding up all the different spending provisions in the health care law; however, (including closing the Medicare ‘doughnut hole,’ implementation costs, and other spending) total gross spending over the FY 2010-19 period is about $1.4 trillion, based on CBO estimates,” explains the Senate Budget Committee Republican staff.

“And most of the major spending provisions in the law do not even take effect until 2014. Congressional Democrats delayed these provisions in order to show only six years of spending under the plan in the original 10-year budget window (from FY2010-19) used by CBO at the time the law was enacted,” said the staff report. “Therefore, the original estimate concealed the fact that most of the law’s spending only doesn’t even begin until four years into the 10-year window. A Senate Budget Committee analysis (based on CBO estimates and growth rates) finds that that total spending under the law will amount to at least $2.6 trillion over a true 10-year period (from FY2014-23) – not $900 billion, as President Obama originally promised.”

Partisan sour grapes? You may have noted that the figures used by the GOP staff report come from CBO (the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office).

But there’s more.

The Economic Policy Journal notes that the cost of Obamacare won’t simply be limited to higher medical costs:

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I don't know what working class folks with back taxes or student loan defaults or other long term debt with tax diversion collections methods are going to do.

If the tax rebate is the "assistance" they are going to get for this mandatory purchase, they are going to be hurting because that wont be going to them.
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Doctors walk out of national Obamacare implementation meeting
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2013, 02:26:48 PM »
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Doctors walk out of national Obamacare implementation meeting

Lance Devon
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April 26, 2013

According to live tweets and images sent from ophthalmologist Dr. Kris Held, nearly all doctors had walked out in protest and disgust of Obamacare implementation talks at a prominent national health care meeting. Typically, The American Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgery Government Relations session is a well attended, formal business conference where brilliant minds in medicine convene. This year was a different story. With talks of Obamacare implementation and compliance underway, doctors left and right had left the auditorium.

Dr. Kris Held tweeted during the meeting, “Doctors are literally walking out of this talk on implementing, complying with Obamacare. We are men and women of the mind not mindless drones.”

“In the past our government relations session was well attended. Government minion is droning on, as virtually all doctors have walked out.”

“I’m staying to the bitter end to make comment and ask how government plans to do all this with no doctors?”

The Obamacare penalty

Starting in 2014, consumers will be forced to purchase health insurance under the Affordable Care Act. Naysayer’s noncompliance will be punished with an IRS tax penalty. The tax penalty in 2014 begins at the rate of $95 per individual or one percent of household income, whichever is greater.

When 2016 rolls around, the penalty grows to $695 per person or 2.5 percent of annual household income, whichever is greater.

Even worse, a new HealthPocket consumer survey is showing that most uninsured people will remain uninsured. Nearly two-thirds of consumers said that the $95 penalty wouldn’t motivate them to obtain health insurance. The reality is that the penalty isn’t going to motivate very many people to buy insurance in October of 2013. That being said, the Obamacare mandate is going to serve as just another tax increase, a large one at that, which will squeeze more life from the economy, driving away innovation.

Some people are completely uninformed or apathetic toward the new penalty. In the HealthPocket survey, nearly 30 percent said they were “not certain” whether the penalty will motivate them to buy health insurance. According to Kev Coleman, head of Research & Data at HealthPocket, “That uncertainty may stem from a lack of awareness that a tax penalty under Obamacare exists, or a lack of understanding of how that penalty amount will compare to the cost of a new Obamacare health plan.”

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The medical cartel: too big to fail, too evil to expose
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The medical cartel: too big to fail, too evil to expose

Jon Rappoport
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May 6, 2013

There are several reasons why the medical cartel is too big to fail: the enormous amount of money at stake; its aim to control populations.
 
In this article, I want to examine a related reason.
 
Suppose it was discovered that thousands of bridges around the US were in imminent danger of collapsing? Not because maintenance and repair were lacking, not because the materials used to build them were cheap and shoddy. But because the original designs were inadequate and broke basic rules of engineering.
 
Suppose five or six major manufacturers built their automobiles so the vast majority of power derived from the engines was transferred to one wheel?
 
Suppose the US Dept. of Agriculture recommended that all farmers spray their crops with heavy chlorine instead of water?
 
In other words, the science itself is fraudulent.
 
This revelation, above all, is what the medical cartel tries to guard against. Their profession has shoved in all its chips on the propaganda proposition that it does impeccable science.

Science sells. The appearance of it sells. It’s the foundation stone of many industries.
 
Were that stone to crack and shatter, all bets would be off. A titanic fraud would come to light. The kind of fraud that would both freeze people’s minds and blow them away.
 
Science is the most powerful rationalization in the modern world. Consensus reality would fail and disperse without it.

As I’ve covered before, the most conservative mainstream estimate of medically caused death in America is 225,000 people per year. Every credential behind that figure is immaculate.
 
The author of the paper that presented the statistics was the late Dr. Barbara Starfield, a revered public health expert who worked for many years at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
 
Her review, “Is US health the best in the world?”, was published on July 26th, 2000, in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
 
Starfield’s breakdown was as follows: the medical system kills 119,000 people a year in the US as a result of maltreatment in hospitals. The other 106,000 people are killed by FDA-approved medicines.

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  And it's more than that.  The bottom line for me is if you want to stay healthy, you have got to exercise and eat live foods--fruits, vegetables and grains---food from plants.

  If you want to get cancer and other diseases such as diabetes---eat meat and dairy---food from animals.

  The doctors and medical schools know this but they don't want you to know it BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY IN HEALTHY PEOPLE.

  Google Dr. John McDougall.  One of his awesome videos is below.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iosoXlr3ZVI
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  And it's more than that.  The bottom line for me is if you want to stay healthy, you have got to exercise and eat live foods--fruits, vegetables and grains---food from plants.

  If you want to get cancer and other diseases such as diabetes---eat meat and dairy---food from animals.

  The doctors and medical schools know this but they don't want you to know it BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY IN HEALTHY PEOPLE.

  Google Dr. John McDougall.  One of his awesome videos is below.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iosoXlr3ZVI
          Diet, Drugs and Diabetes - One Hundred Years of Missed Opportunities

  I FORGOT TO INCLUDE SUGARS AS STUFF YOU DON'T WANT TO EAT---Anything with high fructose corn syrup and other refined sugars.  Cancer loves sugar.
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And it's more than that.  The bottom line for me is if you want to stay healthy, you have got to exercise and eat live foods--fruits, vegetables and grains---food from plants.

Of course one has to do this. Unfortunately, thanks to such things as the corporatization of the food industry and the genetic assault being waged by Monsanto on the world's food supply, it is becoming increasingly difficult -- and, for those at or near the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, nearly impossible -- to do so.

So it's misleading when people suggest or imply that this problem can be solved merely through personal lifestyle changes. Not that that isn't important; it is. But it's far from enough. Of at least equal import is the implementation of urgently-needed public policy reforms.
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Obamacare exchanges already a logistical nightmare; most states to miss deadlines

J. D. Heyes
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June 18, 2013

For months we here at Natural News have been warning readers that the medical “reform” measure known as Obamacare is a regulatory nightmare that will destroy the U.S. healthcare system and raise its costs astronomically – despite the lies the president and his minions have told to “sell” it to the public.
 
One of the most egregious aspects of the law is the “health care exchanges” it creates – you know, the ones that were supposed to, according to President Obama, keep insurance rates down and allow you to keep your own doctor. Now, as the full weight of the law is expected to kick in Jan. 1, 2014, it is becoming painfully obvious that these promises, along with all of the other supposed “benefits” of the law, were never made to be kept in the first place.
 
How do I know that? Because one of the law’s architects, retiring Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., said as much in April when he declared the law to be a “train wreck” as the administration rushes to implement it.
 
The disaster is evolving
 
Even now Obama simply cannot be truthful about his signature accomplishment. In responding to Baucus’ moment of frankness, he said his staff was “pushing very hard to make sure that we’re hitting all the deadlines.” Well, Mr. President, that certainly isn’t the same as actually hitting them, is it? And besides, little of what the law proposed to improve will occur anyway, as a number of independent analyses have projected – both before and after Obamacare passed and was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.
 
Per Forbes magazine:

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Single women’s health insurance premiums set to double in California, thanks to Obamacare

J. D. Heyes
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July 1, 2013
 
Progressives claim to be the most sensitive to women’s issues, yet they are the first ones to back policies that either harm or otherwise suppress women. Case in point: Obamacare.
 
Back in the day when the president and his congressional allies were selling this turkey to the American people, one of their most oft-repeated lies was that health care reform would lead to lower costs – lower fees for service, lower hospital costs, lower government costs and lower health care premiums.
 
One of the demographics that stood to benefit the most from “hope and change” brought on by the Affordable Care Act is young people – and especially young women. But that won’t be the case in ultra-left wing California, home to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. There, both men and women will suffer tremendous health insurance “rate shock.”
 
According to Forbes:

This is because the Golden State already bars insurers from charging different rates on the basis of gender in the individual market. According to the National Women’s Law Center, 10 other states also do so: Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washington. A twelfth state, Vermont, limits but does not prohibit gender rating.

So, writes Avik Roy, a Forbes contributor, that means men and women will pay equally dearly.
 
Progressive hypocrisy regarding women

“If you compare the cheapest plan on healthcare.gov to the cheapest Bronze plan on the new Covered California insurance exchange, premiums for healthy 25-year-olds will increase by 147 percent – a median of $183 on the exchange vs. $74 today – and premiums for healthy 40-year-olds will increase by 149 percent – a median of $234 on the exchange vs. $94 today,” he writes.
 
Why does it matter? Other than the fact that liberals claim to be champions of women, a lot. For much of the coming decade, men are expected to bear the brunt of Obamacare’s expenses, even in California. But that gap narrows in the coming years.
 
“While premiums will go up equally for men and women in California, women should benefit more from Obamacare’s subsidies. That’s because 40-year-old women have lower average incomes than men do,” he says. “That’s great news for women whose wages are below the national average, or whose households that are larger than the national average. But it’s terrible news for those with above-average incomes, along with those who are unmarried or childless. And it’s also bad news for the men who today pay for the disproportionate share of Obamacare’s subsidies.”
 
He adds: “…In California, if you’re a single woman with a decent-paying job that doesn’t offer health insurance, you’re about to get hammered.”
 
That said, make no mistake about it: Obamacare - and in particular the cost thereof – is going to devastate all sorts of American households, from sea to shining sea. The reality of higher insurance premiums, longer waits to see a health care provider, doctor shortages, overstuffed emergency rooms (even more than they already are), and cost increases are just a few short months away (January 1, 2014).
 
But wait, you argue. Don’t we all have to purchase health insurance now? Hasn’t the Supreme Court made that abundantly clear by ruling that the individual mandate in Obamacare was not a fee but a tax?
 
Yes, that’s what the ruling says. But that’s not how it’s going to work.
 
The disaster looms
 
Millions of Americans – especially young people just starting out – won’t be able to afford the huge premiums, so they will opt out of the system and pay a lower-cost fine for doing so. That means fewer healthier people will be paying into the health insurance exchanges, which means that the premiums for those who do pay in will have to be higher to cover the higher costs of covering older, unhealthier members.

Roy sees it:

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‘Train wreck’ Obamacare begins to unravel; massive government boondoggle set to self-destruct by 2015

Mike Adams
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Jul 8, 2013

Even before it is fully implemented, Obamacare is already starting to self-destruct. The White House announced last week it will simply invent its own interpretation of the law and “delay the enforcement” of the employer Obamacare mandate for another year, to 2015. This, we are told, is to allow businesses more time to “smooth” compliance with the law, but that’s only the cover story. In reality, the entire private sector economy was preparing to fire tens of millions of workers, cut their hours and radically downsize companies in order to avoid going bankrupt under Obamacare mandates that no one can afford.

Described as a “train wreck” by one of its original authors (Sen. Baucus), and called a “fiasco for the ages” by the Wall Street Journal, Obamacare is a massive government boondoggle that’s headed for complete disaster.

In a desperate effort to get out of the way of that oncoming train, insurance companies are scrambling to flee the market entirely. America’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth, has just announced it’s closing shop in California and walking away from all health insurance customers there.

That’s how bad Obamacare really is, even for the insurance companies: it’s better to close up shop than even attempt to serve customers under the government’s onerous rules.

U.S. businesses, meanwhile, are engaged in a new wave of job offshoring to India, Pakistan and the Philippines, where Obamacare doesn’t exist and an entire workers’ salary can be less than the cost of health insurance in the U.S. all by itself. The realization has hit everyone who owns or runs a business: Obamacare will bankrupt America’s private sector unless businesses take proactive measures to minimize the hiring U.S. workers.

This is especially true in low-wage jobs — such as the food service industry — where an employee’s contribution to a business simply isn’t that valuable to begin with.

When will the Obamacare train wreck completely derail?

All these are yet more signs that Obamacare’s socialist-inspired health care utopia is turning out to be a total nightmare. As we’ve predicted here on Natural News, much of the system will eventually have to be scrapped or sharply scaled back. Why? Because almost no one can afford the scheme.

Employers have already begun slashing workforce hours in order to avoid the employer mandates, and individuals who need health insurance are starting to freak out over the reality that their rates are going to double or triple once Obamacare fully kicks in.

Remember: This is a law that was advertised as providing either “free” or “affordable” care to everyone, including people with pre-existing conditions. What it actually turned out to be, however, was a monopoly handout to the sick-care industry and the health insurance giants. Instead of promoting health, it kept Americans trapped in a system that profits from chronic disease. Instead of being “affordable,” it’s making health insurance costs double or triple for many people.

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21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2013, 06:11:26 PM »
Here's a little something that is certain to enrage and infuriate both Obama-worshiping Democrats and "Tea Party" Republicans alike...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/11/22-1

21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare

by Ralph Nader
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November 22, 2013



Dear America:

Costly complexity is baked into Obamacare. No health insurance system is without problems but Canadian style single-payer full Medicare for all is simple, affordable, comprehensive and universal.

In the early 1960s, President Lyndon Johnson enrolled 20 million elderly Americans into Medicare in six months. There were no websites. They did it with index cards!

Below please find 21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare.

Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the much more efficient single-payer, everybody in, nobody out, free choice of doctor and hospital.

Love, Canada

Number 21:
In Canada, everyone is covered automatically at birth – everybody in, nobody out.

In the United States, under Obamacare, 31 million Americans will still be uninsured by 2023 and millions more will remain underinsured.

Number 20:
In Canada, the health system is designed to put people, not profits, first.

In the United States, Obamacare will do little to curb insurance industry profits and will actually enhance insurance industry profits.

Number 19:
In Canada, coverage is not tied to a job or dependent on your income – rich and poor are in the same system, the best guaranty of quality.

In the United States, under Obamacare, much still depends on your job or income. Lose your job or lose your income, and you might lose your existing health insurance or have to settle for lesser coverage.

Number 18:
In Canada, health care coverage stays with you for your entire life.

In the United States, under Obamacare, for tens of millions of Americans, health care coverage stays with you for as long as you can afford your share.

Number 17:
In Canada, you can freely choose your doctors and hospitals and keep them. There are no lists of “in-network” vendors and no extra hidden charges for going “out of network.”

In the United States, under Obamacare, the in-network list of places where you can get treated is shrinking – thus restricting freedom of choice – and if you want to go out of network, you pay for it.

Number 16:
In Canada, the health care system is funded by income, sales and corporate taxes that, combined, are much lower than what Americans pay in premiums.

In the United States, under Obamacare, for thousands of Americans, it’s pay or die – if you can’t pay, you die. That’s why many thousands will still die every year under Obamacare from lack of health insurance to get diagnosed and treated in time.

Number 15:
In Canada, there are no complex hospital or doctor bills. In fact, usually you don’t even see a bill.

In the United States, under Obamacare, hospital and doctor bills will still be terribly complex, making it impossible to discover the many costly overcharges.

Number 14:
In Canada, costs are controlled. Canada pays 10 percent of its GDP for its health care system, covering everyone.

In the United States, under Obamacare, costs continue to skyrocket. The U.S. currently pays 18 percent of its GDP and still doesn’t cover tens of millions of people.

Number 13:
In Canada, it is unheard of for anyone to go bankrupt due to health care costs.

In the United States, under Obamacare, health care driven bankruptcy will continue to plague Americans.

Number 12:
In Canada, simplicity leads to major savings in administrative costs and overhead.

In the United States, under Obamacare, complexity will lead to ratcheting up administrative costs and overhead.

Number 11:
In Canada, when you go to a doctor or hospital the first thing they ask you is: “What’s wrong?”

In the United States, the first thing they ask you is: “What kind of insurance do you have?”

Number 10:
In Canada, the government negotiates drug prices so they are more affordable.

In the United States, under Obamacare, Congress made it specifically illegal for the government to negotiate drug prices for volume purchases, so they remain unaffordable.

Number 9:
In Canada, the government health care funds are not profitably diverted to the top one percent.

In the United States, under Obamacare, health care funds will continue to flow to the top. In 2012, CEOs at six of the largest insurance companies in the U.S. received a total of $83.3 million in pay, plus benefits.

Number 8:
In Canada, there are no necessary co-pays or deductibles.

In the United States, under Obamacare, the deductibles and co-pays will continue to be unaffordable for many millions of Americans.

Number 7:
In Canada, the health care system contributes to social solidarity and national pride.

In the United States, Obamacare is divisive, with rich and poor in different systems and tens of millions left out or with sorely limited benefits.

Number 6:
In Canada, delays in health care are not due to the cost of insurance.

In the United States, under Obamacare, patients without health insurance or who are underinsured will continue to delay or forgo care and put their lives at risk.

Number 5:
In Canada, nobody dies due to lack of health insurance.

In the United States, under Obamacare, many thousands will continue to die every year due to lack of health insurance.

Number 4:
In Canada, an increasing majority supports their health care system, which costs half as much, per person, as in the United States. And in Canada, everyone is covered.

In the United States, a majority – many for different reasons – oppose Obamacare.

Number 3:
In Canada, the tax payments to fund the health care system are progressive – the lowest 20 percent pays 6 percent of income into the system while the highest 20 percent pays 8 percent.

In the United States, under Obamacare, the poor pay a larger share of their income for health care than the affluent.

Number 2:
In Canada, the administration of the system is simple. You get a health care card when you are born. And you swipe it when you go to a doctor or hospital. End of story.

In the United States, Obamacare’s 2,500 pages plus regulations (the Canadian Medicare Bill was 13 pages) is so complex that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said before passage “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

Number 1:
In Canada, the majority of citizens love their health care system.

In the United States, the majority of citizens, physicians, and nurses prefer the Canadian type system – single-payer, free choice of doctor and hospital , everybody in, nobody out.

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Making a Bad System Worse: Disturbing Obamacare Surprises
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Making a Bad System Worse: Disturbing Obamacare Surprises

By Stephen Lendman
Global Research
December 11, 2013



Consumers are in for many rude surprises. Soon enough they’ll know they’ve been scammed.

A previous article discussed insurers limiting hospital and doctor choices. Doing so cuts costs. Sacrificed is treatment from relied on providers when most needed.

Using their services requires paying costs out-of-pocket. Obama lied claiming:

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period,” he said.

    “If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

Obamacare deception is one of many lies he told. Marketplace medicine doesn’t work. Obamacare prioritizes corporate profits. It does so at the expense of proper healthcare.

It’s not a commodity. It’s a fundamental human right. Not in America. Not under Obamacare for sure. Bottom line priorities matter most.

On December 6, the Washington Examiner headlined “Doctors boycotting California’s Obamacare exchange,” saying:

“An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.”

According to California Medical Association (CMA) president Dr. Richard Thorp:

    “It doesn’t surprise me that there’s been a high rate of nonparticipation.”

    “We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that.”

CMA represents about 104,000 California doctors. California offers one of the nation’s lowest reimbursement rates.

It’s 30% lower than Medicare payments. Some reimbursement rates are even lower.

In September, insurers pegged them to California’s Medicaid plan (Medi-Cal). Many doctors opted out in response.

Others consider early retirement. Former San Diego County Medical Society president Theodore Mazer said he just turned 55.

“Maybe there’s something else we can do because this is just getting too onerous to keep on going,” he said.

With many California doctors opting out or retiring, state healthcare could be overwhelmed. Other states may experience similar problems.

Alameda County Health Care Services Agency director Alex Biscoe already complains of a physician shortage.

It’ll “get worse as more people enter the market,” he said. He’s not surprised about large numbers of doctors refusing to participate in a bad system.

If enough opt out nationwide, millions needing treatment won’t get it. Others won’t get adequate care for serious illnesses.

Healthcare in America is already dysfunctional for millions. Obamacare makes a bad system worse.

Around half of US households have employer-provided health insurance. By 2016, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates six million fewer people receiving it.

US Chamber of Commerce/International Franchise Association survey information shows 28% of mid-size companies plan to drop coverage. It’s cheaper to pay imposed penalties than provide it.

Large and smaller firms maintaining it are shifting costs increasingly to employees. In 2015, Obamacare requires companies with 50 or more workers to provide coverage for full-time staff. Penalties are imposed on ones that don’t.

National Retail Federation vice president Neil Trautwein said it’s “definitely less expensive to pay (them) than provide coverage.”

At the same time, most companies prioritize temporary or part-time workers. They avoid full-time ones as much as possible. Doing so avoids having to provide health insurance.

Last August, Forbes magazine headlined “It’s Fact, Not Anecdote, That ObamaCare Is Turning Us Into A Part-Time Nation,” saying:

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Healthcare Inequality in America
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2014, 09:58:12 AM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/healthcare-inequality-in-america/5368017

Healthcare Inequality in America

By Chris White
Global Research
February 09, 2014



Nearly every week a new facet of the Affordable Care Act comes to light to support the conservative go-to homily: good intentions lead to bad policy. It was a nice idea to give freeloaders the chance to be treated for illnesses they had no chance to avoid (because, you know, genetics), but it’s time to sidle up to the grown-ups table.

The latest element of this cumbersome, overly-complicated bill to stir controversy shows how a profit-driven healthcare system has a pernicious effect on the old-time American religion of upward economic mobility and equality of opportunity. The lens of real estate and finance gives us an interesting look at how our healthcare system is part and parcel of an edifice that enables the rich to get richer and, well, you know.

Since the poor have been largely invisible to the mainstream media until recently, many could be excused for not knowing that states have been able to seize the estate assets of Medicaid recipients upon death. Now, in addition to doing nothing to address the problem of bankruptcy due to medical debt, the ACA, through Medicaid expansion, has increased the pool of resources that can be repossessed by state authorities to help defer the costs of the program. Granted, there are exceptions to the practice when there is a surviving spouse or minor children involved but there should be little surprise that some are now steering clear of enrollment.

How did we come to this?

The value of homeownership has a mixed history in American politics. It has been touted by the Home Builders Association and National Association of Realtors as “the American Dream.” It was encouraged to drain crowded urban areas (with a dramatically unequal impact across races), and, as David Harvey has suggested, saddling people with a 30-year mortgage was a great way to disincentivize labor strikes during a time when revolution was feared around every corner. But it has also provided households with a source of wealth that could appreciate in value and thereby provide the owner and the future generations of their family the opportunity to gain a toehold toward a life free of chronic need.

The real “American Dream” has always been the idea that anyone could pick themselves up and become a wealthy member of the leisure class, no matter their background. But a recent piece in The New York Times has revealed that, despite all the bluster to the contrary, a person’s station in life is still largely determined by where they came from and their family’s economic background.

If that’s the case, then enabling families to build wealth over time would be essential in realizing greater equality in American economic outcomes. Real equality of opportunity would acknowledge that, since everyone gets sick, everyone should get the coverage they need regardless of their wages. But the American healthcare system has actively hindered the wealth-building efforts of both the poor and the vanishing middle class.

Besides state-led asset seizure to recoup Medicaid costs, medical debts based on exorbitant healthcare costs have also been pushing assets into foreclosure, packing more and more families into the glutted rental market and thus driving up rents. This makes homeownership a fever dream for those struggling to work and save their way up. Many of those who lost their homes had a college degree and full-time jobs with solid benefits (including health insurance).

By incentivizing the liquidation of one of the few tradable assets possessed by those in the lowest (and even middle) tiers of our economy, the U.S. healthcare system reveals itself to be another cornerstone in the structure of American economic inequality.

While the lower- and middle-classes have had a tough time securing stable investments in real estate, the wealthier have profited on this instability. Ironically, speculation in real estate and mortgage-backed securities and the concomitant bail-outs for irresponsible banking institutions dramatically reduced state revenues. Governments across the country have been forced to play an agonizing game of budgetary triage. Meanwhile, as more people have been forced into poverty by the massive wealth destruction of the Great Recession, the state has had to pay more into safety net programs while drawing less revenue from a poorer population.

In the absence of a single-payer healthcare system that would control costs and eliminate the deficit (as opposed to the baffling alternative recently cobbled together by the GOP), state governments find themselves with few choices under the current political and economic climate. Faced with greater competition over scarce tax dollars, they are reclaiming the very asset from the lower classes that was supposed to elevate the poor out of poverty.

But, while some have faced wealth destruction, some have been able to cash in. A larger, aging population pushed into the healthcare system by the ACA has investors betting on real estate intended for medical offices, diagnostic laboratories, and imaging centers. The greater need for space means more long-term leases and a steady cash flow ensuring a solid rate of return for investors (though this could change in light of the Federal Reserve’s recent moves to taper quantitative easing).

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The Conservative Case for Single-Payer Health Insurance
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2016, 08:27:35 AM »
As I've been pointing out for years, there appears to be a nationwide obsession with mindlessly attaching emotionally charged labels ending in "ist" or "ism" to anyone who dares express an opinion with which someone else disagrees.

If anyone merely suggests that our immigration laws should be enforced instead of ignored, he or she is immediately accused of being "racist" (or of espousing "racism").

If anyone suggests that the collapse of World Trade Center 7 was a controlled demolition, he or she is immediately accused of being a "conspiracy theorist."

And if anyone suggests that -- despite whatever flaws it may have -- single-payer health insurance is nevertheless a far better system than either the corporate fascist health care scheme known as Obamacare or the price-gouging system we had immediately prior to Obamacare, he or she is immediately accused of being a (you guessed it) freedom-hating "socialist," "communist" and/or "collectivist."

That's why I find the following such a refreshingly rational treatment of what is normally an incendiary issue.

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=152714

THE CONSERVATIVE CASE FOR SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE.

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28 Sep 2013 08:36

We are having a major health care debate in the USA. I was strongly opposed the pre-Obamacare system as I am opposed to most aspects of Obamacare. It is incredibly complicated and albatross around the neck of business. Unfortunately one of the reasons it is so complex is because the right-wing essentially has taken single payer off the table and vowed massive resistance against it. Single payer, whatever its drawbacks may be, is still far simpler and more straight forward than the massive maze Obamacare has set up.

As I see it now the only people who benefit from American health care are those directly in the health care industry, especially hospital administrators and health industry executives, and the people independently wealthy enough to never have to worry about cost. The other 90% of us, insured or uninsured, are getting the short end of the stick. Even if you like your insurance, it is an objective fact that if you live in the USA no matter how good your insurance may be you are paying the highest prices for the lowest return. American health care is not the worst in the world in terms of quality, however in terms of cost effectiveness it is undoubtedly the worst, even below Ethiopia in the sense that Ethiopians get what they pay for on a dollar a day salary, whereas the USA would charge a hundred dollars for Ethiopian quality care by comparison if we are measuring on cost effectiveness, like we charge tens of thousands for what other developed nations get for mere thousands, and hundreds for what they get for tens.

1. First, it is simpler than Obamacare.

Under single payer health services are funded out of general revenues, it would probably mean higher taxes in the short run but in the end it would all go to the same place, there would not be a massive myriad of regulations and subsidies. You pay taxes, you get health care.

2. There is always going to be rationing and paperwork anyway.

Economics is all about scarcity. There will always be rationing in health care. Currently America rations by taking some people out of the line completely through the uninsured. Finally, paperwork is going to be an aspect of every health system, in fact single payer systems have less than the American system due to their simplicity.

3. Government is accountable to the people, big health insurance companies are accountable to their shareholders.

There is a lot to hate about the government, but like it or not at the end of the day we still have the right to vote and change things in Washington. When you are dealing with a government health system you can petition Congress to change something you do not like. At the end of the day big health insurance companies are bottom line accountable to their shareholders, not consumers. Unless you can go out and purchase a huge number of shares, you ultimately cannot hold your health company accountable.

4. Government regulation of health care already exists and is not going away.

Some people say that a totally free market in medicine would reduce costs. It probably would, but politics is the art of the possible. The reality is that if we could go out and purchase any health treatment we want over the counter without FDA oversight and make licensing voluntary it would end up costing us a lot less. Some lives would be lost due to unlicensed medical personnel and addiction resulting from easier access to controlled drugs, however I believe that the number of people saved due to lower costs and access to drugs would outweigh the risks many times. I believe medical innovation would speed up. In the end though people would only focus on the horror story of how some kid got hooked on Miracle Drug X and killed himself, instead of the 10,000 people who were saved by the fact that government did not stifle it. Regulation would return. Were it politically possible to have true free market medicine I would support it, but it is not.

5. By holding costs down, it will save you more than enough to make up for any tax increase.

It is undeniable we may have to pay slightly higher taxes to pay for single payer in the short run, however under single payer there is a single negotiator for prices of drugs and medical equipment. It is a monopsony, the opposite of a monopoly. A monopoly has one seller and many buyers, thus it can extract a high price for purchases. Current health care is an oligopoly, which has a similar effect, as there are so few sellers as to make holding down prices unrealistic. However in the mirror image case one payer can command a lower price. In reality competition among insurance is actually a bad thing, since sellers can continue to jack up price by denying some services covered to some companies, and charge them what they want. In the end you spend a good chunk of your income on health care premiums anyway, and will do more so in years to come Obamacare or no Obamacare. In the end the reduction in what you pay will more than make up for any tax increase.

6. Ideologues are the main thing holding us back, and true conservatives ignore ideology.

Conservatism is by its nature a rejection of ideology, instead it is an attitude that rests on empiricism and responses to changing conditions, and generally holds a view of the world driven by reason and logic. In a nutshell, conservatives were always the cooler heads in the room, whereas liberals were pie in the sky idealists. Today the right has been hijacked by libertarian extremism. Note this is not ten reasons libertarians should support single payer, they never will by definition. It is about how libertarianism is not conservatism and never will be, "conservative ideologue" though repeated ad nausea in the media should be an oxymoron. Libertarians who hate any and all government by definition are holding us back from ideological reasons, appealing to a vague notion of freedom. However a more staid conservative approach is to recognize not all freedoms are equal. Thus the libertarian sees no differentiation between the freedom to use and abuse whatever recreational drugs one wishes and the importance of freedom of speech. Whether drug legalization is good or bad, the conservative recognizes that freedom of speech is a far more consequential freedom to defend than freedom of drug use. It is thus that the libertarian views restrictions on major medical corporations with billions of dollars as no different than the Soviets shuttering the shops of the kulaks, however the true conservative recognizes a huge difference. The conservative believes freedom is important, but freedom toward the ends of a decent society, whereas the libertarian embraces a nihilistic vision of freedom for freedom's sake. To the libertarian there is no moral difference between the liberty of Aristotle and the liberty of a massive health care company CEO or a drug abuser.

7. We have a religious moral imperative to do something about the uninsured, and charity is not adequate.

This next piece reflects in true conservatives, not libertarians. Conservatives of a moralistic bent recognize the importance of collective moral values, and one of those is the value of charity. If we are to be a Christian society then our primary concern must be living up to Jesus' ethic. When we get to the gates of Heaven I suspect St. Peter will be asking us what we did for the least among us, not what we did to keep taxes low and government small. In the end the whole "private charity will take care of it" thing is a cop-out. We already have lots of charity but it is not nearly enough to keep up with the massive demand for medical services.

8. The rest of the world is doing fine, including nations often touted by conservatives.

Conservatives often tout Greece as a reason to fear government programs, however there are lots of nations doing fine. The Greek debacle is complex and single payer will not make or break us. Canadians are doing fine with single payer. The UK, for all its flaws, is not a North Korean gulag yet that is what some on the far right will have you believe single payer will make us. The Nordic states are booming, as is Germany. More importantly Hong Kong, often touted by the right as the freest economy on Earth, has a national health service. Is Hong Kong a socialist hell hole? Meanwhile we spend more than all the rest of them, in combined public and private expenditures.

9. Around the world, conservatives are at ease with national health care.

In Britain conservatives vow to fight for the NHS. Even Margaret Thatcher herself was an ardent supporter of the NHS. In every European country the parties of the conservative persuasion have accepted the role of government in provision of health care and are at peace with it. Only in the USA of major industrialized nations is there a holdout. Why is this? I suspect it has to do with the fact that America is a large country and often ignores the rest of the world as a cultural matter. Finally I think special interests are too ingrained and what is often touted as a principled conservative stance is really just defending the special interests of big corporations to keep things exactly as it were. For however much the current system hurts the rest of us, a lot of people are making a lot of money on it. However if even conservatives are at peace with it elsewhere, from Canada to Europe to Israel to Japan, it may not be so bad.

10. The number one reason; it is competitiveness, stupid.

Government bungled health care by making the tax code in such a way that health care became seen as the employer's responsibility. As I explained before, government involvement in health care at some level is currently an accepted matter of life in the USA and an advancement to a truly free system is unlikely. Thus health care has become an albatross around the necks of American business. Finally, high health care costs are what Warren Buffett correctly described as a tapeworm eating away at the economic competitiveness of America. Everywhere in the world the government has lifted any responsibility for health care off the private sector, making it easier for businesses to compete. We may have lower taxes on average than the rest of the world, but we make up for it in health care costs. In the end American business is being saddled with this albatross. They may not like paying higher taxes, but may be receptive if it could mean removing concern about health care from their agenda. In the end it won't matter as businesses in other industrialized nations are competing at a higher tax level. An increase in marginal tax rates to fund health care in the USA will not make us less competitive on tax rates, since the USA is already a (comparatively) low tax nation.

Obviously libertarians will reject all this, but this is not aimed at people who confuse conservatism and libertarianism. Even if single payer health care were proven scientifically correct, I believe libertarians would still oppose it since their core principle is the minimum of government involvement, but conservatism's core principle is pragmatism.
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RAND PAUL TAKES VICTORY LAP ON GOP HEALTH BILL
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https://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-takes-victory-lap-on-gop-health-bill/

RAND PAUL TAKES VICTORY LAP ON GOP HEALTH BILL

“I applaud House conservatives for keeping their word to the American people,” Paul said in a statement

The Hill - MARCH 25, 2017

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) quickly declared victory on Friday, praising conservatives for “standing up against ObamaCare Lite.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIDFZhsbCA

“I applaud House conservatives for keeping their word to the American people,” Paul said in a statement.

Republican leaders pulled their bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare on Friday afternoon, acknowledging that it was headed toward defeat.

Paul — who has been a top antagonist of the House bill — added that “I look forward to passing full repeal of ObamaCare in the very near future.”

Paul and other House conservatives have offered an alternative repeal bill that mirrors 2015 legislation cleared by Congress but vetoed by then-President Barack Obama.

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It's interesting to note that Mike Rivero and Jeff Rense -- despite being openly pro-Trump for the entire 2016 campaign season -- both support single-payer health insurance.

So much for the ridiculous theory that that particular reform appeals only to freedom-hating "socialists" and low-IQ Bernie Sanders supporters who live in their "mom's basement" -- and who want America to suffer the same fate as (you guessed it) Venezuela.
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Dems Push Pelosi for Single-Payer Health Care After AHCA Fails (People said back as they passed Obamacare that they always wanted single payer and created a disaster so the could later get just that.)

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/03/26/dems-push-pelosi-single-payer-health-care-ahca-fails/


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Sen. Reid: Obamacare ‘Absolutely’ A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/sen-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/

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When I speak to conservatives about health care policy, I’m often asked the question: “Do you think that Obamacare is secretly a step toward single-payer health care?” I always explain that, while progressives may want single-payer, I don’t think that Obamacare is deliberately designed to bring about that outcome. Well, yesterday on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”
Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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