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« Reply #120 on: August 03, 2009, 08:48:16 PM »

Well if the FBI knows and they don't do anything, then wtf?

I know and all the talking heads are saying:

"IT IS NONSENSE! NONSENSE! DID YOU HEAR ME IT IS NONSENSE! 2+2=5!!!!!! TURN UP THE VOLTAGE, WE HAVE A NON-BELIEVER!!!"
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« Reply #121 on: August 04, 2009, 05:07:06 AM »

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 So the FBI thinks maybe the 'birther' story has legs and the supreme court wont hear the case. Huh Gee arent you glad the post 9/11 legislation brought all the agencies closer together so everybody would know wtf is going on Roll Eyes I heard it reported that the supreme court ruled he was a natural born citizen but when I search all i find is the courts wont hear the case. 

 
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« Reply #122 on: August 04, 2009, 06:17:17 AM »

I think the whole 'birther"thing was a setup from the start,this is the blackmail they hold him to,to implement difficult policy,and makebelieve that America is a fair and just nation to their enemies...etc etc,i could go on....

I know this will not end well,and could very well undermine your constitution in ways that are unthinkable,...
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« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2009, 06:31:36 AM »

The two posts that summed it up for me.

Let's play a game of:  "Graduating from Discernment level 101, to Master's Degree, to PH.D.":

Authored by Dr. Lyle J. Rapacki, Protective Intelligence Specialist and Agent, the report summarizes the substance of legal challenges to Obama on the question of his constitutional eligibility and concludes that if it "should be discovered Mr. Obama is ineligible, a constitutional crisis would ensue attempting to determine which of his executive branch orders should be valid."

INSERT:  HOW CAN SOMETHING BE "DISCOVERED" IF THE "OFFICIAL GOVT./MSM STORY" IS TRUE?

It goes on to warn that "if...Mr. Obama fights revealing his documentation, there is growing concern of civil unrest, or worse, being unleashed in the streets of our nation. The economic crisis coupled with this type of a constitutional crisis could prove to be a flashpoint that would test conventional law enforcement and elements of homeland security."

See that word:  "test"?  I seem to remember Biden saying Obama was going to be tested-interesting coincidence there, but that's not the main thing.

Upon the recommendation of the Army's Strategic Studies Institute

WTF?  Is this a military version of the CSIS:?  Who the f*ck are the general(s) in charge of this army division?  I'll bet you my ass that they are directly affiliated or take orders from with the CSIS, RAND, Cohen Group, NCOIC, or CFR.

, The Army Times reported that a somewhat euphemistically dubbed "Consequence Management Response Force (CCMRF)," currently the role of the 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team, but which, reportedly, might eventually comprise upwards of 80,000 troops, is being trained and readied to deal with what could be widespread civil disorder resulting from an "unforeseen economic collapse" or "loss of a functional political and legal order."

What's easier to do?  produce a birth certificate or plan out full spectrum operations with 80,000 troops over a conspiracy theory (from the govt.'s point of view--i.e., do you think the FBI regards this as a CT?  If so, then why even ENTERTAIN the possibility of prepping for martial law NOT ONLY ON the economic collapse, BUT in conjunction with a "loss of a functional political and legal order"?  ANSWER:  THE NWO MILITARY DOESN'T ENGAGE IN SUCH PREPARATIONS OVER THINGS THAT ARE BULLSHIT, THEY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THEY REALIZE PEOPLE ARE FINDING IT OUT, AND THE REASON IT MAY SEEM HARD TO DISCERN THIS IS BECAUSE THE REPORT IS UNCLASSIFIED.

WHEN YOU READ *ANYTHING* UNCLASSIFIED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTREMELY WELL TRAINED SENSE TO DISTILL OUT THE REAL HIDDEN MEANINGS FROM BEHIND THEIR EXTREME VAGUENESS.  IF WE HAD ACCESS TO A TOP SECRET REPORT, IT WOULD FLAT OUT TELL YOU, THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE TOP SECRET, THAT'S HOW THE NWO WORKS.  IF THERE WAS NOTHING FOR INFRAGARD, AND BLACK OPS TO WORRY ABOUT THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE *TRAINING*, AND *READYING* FOR THIS VERY SCENARIO.


Now that I think about this for a while, if true, it does throw the entire 2008 election into the dumper... it also nullifies everything that he's signed. All of his executive orders, and all the bills from Congress that have been made law since he took office... all are null and void. There will be a call for a speaker of the house president to rise, by constitutional succession... this may be volatile...

Since he and Biden were elected as a ticket, with Obama being the headliner of course, Biden would also be nullified... all of his cabinet members, everything would go back to square one... this forces no constitutional crisis. THEY are planning that the average Americans don't realize that this is already provided for in the Constitution In other words if the people are dumb to the point that they believe there is a crisis, it plays right into the globalist hands, their solution will be either too change the constitution by amendment ASAP to allow non-natural born applicants... or most likely there will be a call for a constitutional convention.

In my humble educated opinion there should be neither. We should allow the bureaucracy to run the vital parts of the federal government as prescribed in the Constitution, this includes allowing Congress to administer the remainder of Obama's term as prescribed by the Constitution. Under these circumstances however, the powers of all federal government offices must be held to the constitutional framework only as the list of succession is worked through to weed out the conspirators. Only necessary appropriations will occur until a qualified successor is found from the list to act as president till the next scheduled presidential election.

The founding fathers contemplated the possibility of this type of shenanigans... and the list of succession is quite long... showing that they anticipated that most shenanigans may involve many in the highest levels of government.

All money acquired by the banking establishment as a result of the stimulus package must be returned or terms negotiated for repayment ASAP, only defensive national security military measures can continue... get the boys back from overseas.

The looting of America is over, it is now time for We the People to rebuild our nation!

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« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2009, 06:50:06 AM »

Wouldnt all of the executive orders be null and void?
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« Reply #125 on: August 04, 2009, 07:23:53 AM »

Who is Lyle Rapacki?  http://sentinelintelligenceservices.com/default.html

Lyle Rapacki earned a Bachelor’s Degree in Political Science and a Master’s Degree in Counseling from Northern Arizona University and his Doctorate from Clayton College of Natural Medicine specializing in the treatment of psychological disorders with natural medicine.  He enjoyed a 20-year private practice.  Approximately one-half of his practice case-load was delegated to Behavioral Forensic Profiling and Threat Assessments, and he earned a Post-Doctorate Diplomate in Forensic Counseling.  A former police officer, Dr. Rapacki assisted law enforcement from 1985 - 1991 regionally and nationally with intelligence analysis and investigations of deviant movement groups and taught at law enforcement academies nationwide.  From 2000 to 2005, Dr. Rapacki taught in the Criminal Justice Department at Wayland Baptist University Phoenix campus.  He briefly held the position of Director for the Public Safety Administration, Homeland Security and Crisis Management Programs at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix, Arizona in 2008.
 
In 1986, Lyle began consulting with national ministries providing Protective Intelligence and Threat Assessment, as well as behavioral tendencies of crowds when ministry executives appeared at special or highly attended venues.  He has conducted Crisis/Risk Assessment for churches and trained Crisis Response Teams.  Lyle was Director of Security and Campus Safety for his church in Phoenix for seven years, and helped coordinate Dignitary Protection for Phoenix First Assembly Church in Phoenix for eight years.  He has been lead agent in several high profile protection details.
 
Dr. Rapacki continues to receive, analyze and disseminate critical intelligence and policy information from and to law enforcement, intelligence and governmental communities.  He is the author of dozens of white papers, bulletins and briefings, many of which have received distribution to and by local, state and federal law enforcement, intelligence and public safety agencies.  He is also a noted expert in crowd analysis and crowd-based-threat detection, and frequently is called on to share his expertise with public and private safety and security organizations.
 
Lyle has received formal training as a First Responder, Crisis Team Coordinator and Trauma Debriefing.  He has completed classroom training in Emergency First Response to Terrorism instructed by the Director of Arizona Homeland Security, and attends additional trainings sponsored by law enforcement in counter-terrorism.  Dr. Rapacki has completed primary and advanced training in information gathering and detection of deception at the Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation (LSI/SCAN Course).  He holds CPR, AED and Basic First Aid Certifications; he is Arizona Department of Public Safety certified to carry a concealed weapon, is a licensed private investigator and retains an FBI fingerprint clearance.  Lyle also is a TASER International Certified Instructor.
 
Additional formal classroom and field training were undertaken in the discipline of Protection of High Visibility Individuals and others vulnerable to targeted violence; including, but not limited to:  Tactical and Close-in Protection; Counter Assault measures; Operational and Logistical Techniques for Protective Details; Tactical Team shooting, and Protective Intelligence including schooling associated with the Exceptional Case Study Project in July 1998, conducted by The United States Secret Service.
 
Dr. Rapacki is a member of ASIS International the world’s leading security practitioner organization and serves as Membership Chair for Arizona.  He is an associate member of the International Foundation for Protective Officers, and The FBI InfraGard – Arizona.


This turd is likely one of the key government point men for the Clergy Response program.  The white paper he submitted in March 2009 concerning Barry's eligibility to be POTUS was meant to stimulate discussion regarding possible blowback scenarios from the issue.  It is not in anyway an official position or statement of the FBI.  It's simply a "worst case scenario" white paper, i.e., a "what if?" scenario for war gaming.
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« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2009, 11:40:02 AM »

Quote from: mr_anderson date=1249389096
The two posts that summed it up for me.

They KNOW what he is - They have HIS DOCUMENTS. He has a PASSPORT... Maybe that's why Hillary is Sec. of STATE Department....

The State Department - Passport office has his documents whatever they are.... Hillary isn't talking....

The Passport office has his documents whatever they are.... They aren't talking....

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
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STEP 2: Submit Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
 Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
 Naturalization Certificate
 Certificate of Citizenship
 

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

NOTE: If you do not have primary evidence of U.S. citizenship or your U.S. birth certificate does not meet the requirements, please see Secondary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm
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The federal government does not distribute certificates, files, or indexes with identifying information for vital records. Also, applications for passports can be obtained through the U.S. State Department.

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How to Apply for a Certified Copy of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad
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« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2009, 03:52:52 PM »


I will get flack on this, its OK. I can't help myself.

I keep hearing that according to the Constitution and our forefathers, ***SORRY, the masters may wiggle the flag and spin all kinds of rhetoric, compare themselfs to Linclon or George Washington, do we beleive them.
Sure they can say any damn thing they want to, they can pardon war criminals,allow torture, rob Americans coffres, have a few illegal wars, and abandon whatever this nation stood for according to our heritage.
How many bills have been passed that are contrary to our constitution, how many of our rights have been laughed at and steped on.
My point, and I hope I don't tire anyone who may read this. They do not give one twit about our heritage, our freedom, our survival,suffering, our liberty and our honor. The millions killed, innocents, does anyone see them sending flowers, crying over the dead children and infants?
Does anyone see our constitution being the law of the land in full?I hear the people stamping their feet in numbers, the constitution, over and over. All I can think of is GW saying openly its just  a peice of FN paper.
I wish our rights were upheld, that we the people had a voice, that the sheeple left their dreamland, our military brass grew balllsakks and abided by their oaths, that these egomaniacs we call our illustrious officials came clean and stood up for the masses. I wish a lot of things folks, but whats the truth here.

The power has woven its web throughout the Federal Goverment, they have been asserting their power over the masses since the assassination of the 3K's and Vietnam, they are an entity unto themslves.
The division has been made, the ,lines are drawn,was it GW who stated either your with us or against us-(words to that effect).
It appears he wasn't shiiiiting around.
Obama, birth certificate, does it realy come down to the bottom line. Did our trusted Goverment agencies test his metal legally before he became presidential material, NO they did not, WHY, they were told not to.
This is a conglomerate, not one man screwing us inside out, not simply GN,Oby,Rice<Hillary<Pelosi, and their playmates, they are taking orders, have joined the band wagon of the masters and we are facing more than a birth certificates legalities.
Those who see this as the beggining of a solution are not focusing on the total target.
This BC has drawn attention, I doubt very much the power was not aware this would happen. These parasites have plans in effect as we write on this post that would boggle the mind, they are ready and able to jump on any and all constitutional law, they have the back door and the front door as well.

Those who beleive they care about the lives and safety of the peons, think again.
This nation has been pushed over the edge, we are falling into the abyss, its is just a question of when do we hit bottom.

The saftey net, is people like us, I am with hope to the bottom of my heart that we maintain our resolve, spread the truth, awaken the dreamers where possible, and understand that we are the nation, and this country we beleived in has been raped and defiled by a band of sociopathic criminals, powerfull parasites who seek control, TYRANY is not a playground that I wish to see this coming generation born into.
The lines was drawn many decades past, it is now a very deep and dark abyss.  FREEDOM, THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS are one in the same.
Rambled again, but please understand I have spoken what is my truth in all sincerity.

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« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2009, 06:42:52 PM »

They won't hear the case because of the "National Security" card must be played.
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« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2009, 07:09:43 PM »

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=97689.msg764856#msg764856

Mr Rapacki is looking more and more like an UNcredible source of information for anything...
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« Reply #130 on: August 09, 2009, 11:56:03 AM »

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0802g.asp

InfraGard: An Unhealthy Government Alliance
by Gary D. Barnett, February 22, 2008

There is an organization that is quietly and secretly becoming very large and powerful. The FBI started this partnership or alliance between the federal government and the private sector in 1996 in Cleveland with a few select people. After September 11, 2001, when the general population replaced their rationality with fear, this organization, called InfraGard, continued growing, and with little notice. By 2005 more than 11,000 members were involved, but as of today, according to the InfraGard website, there are 23,682 members, including FBI personnel. At first glance, many would think this alliance healthy and useful in the fight against “terrorism,” but upon further examination, one has to wonder.

InfraGard began as an alliance between the FBI and local businesses with the objective of investigating cyber threats. Since that time, little resemblance to that design exists. According to InfraGard’s own website,

    InfraGard is an information sharing and analysis effort serving the interests and combining the knowledge base of a wide range of members. At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector. InfraGard is an association of businesses, academic institutions, state and local law enforcement agencies, and participants dedicated to sharing information and intelligence [emphasis added] to prevent hostile acts against the United States.

Every InfraGard chapter has an FBI special agent coordinator attached to it, and this FBI coordinator works closely with FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C. Initially, while under the direction of the National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC), the focus of InfraGard was cyberinfrastructure protection, but things have gotten much more interesting since September 11, 2001. NIPC then expanded its efforts to include physical as well as cyberthreats to critical infrastructures.

A progression is occurring, but it gets even more interesting as time passes. In March 2003, NIPC was transferred to the Department of Homeland Security which now has total responsibility for critical infrastructure protection (CIP) matters. Part of the Department of Homeland Security’s mission is to facilitate InfraGard’s continuing role in CIP activities and to further develop InfraGard’s ability to support the FBI’s investigative mission, especially as it pertains to counterterrorism and cyber crimes.

InfraGard’s stated goal “is to promote ongoing dialogue and timely communications between members and the FBI.” Pay attention to this next part:

    Infragard members gain access to information that enables them to protect their assets and in turn give information to government that facilitates its responsibilities to prevent and address terrorism and other crimes.

I take from this statement that there is a distinct tradeoff, a tradeoff not available to the rest of us, whereby InfraGard members are privy to inside information from government to protect themselves and their assets; in return they give the government information it desires. This is done under the auspices of preventing terrorism and other crimes. Of course, as usual, “other crimes” is not defined, leaving us to guess just what information is being transferred. Since these members of InfraGard are people in positions of power in the “private” sector, people who have access to a massive amount of private information about the rest of us, just what information are they divulging to government? Remember, they are getting valuable consideration in the form of advance warnings and protection for their lives and assets from government. This does not an honest partnership make; quite the contrary.

In my article “The New Crime of Thinking,” I criticized H.R.1955 and Senate 1959, which, if passed, will literally criminalize thought against government. As usual, the exact type of thought is left undefined. This vagueness in the thought-crime legislation together with the secrecy of InfraGard makes for a dangerous combination. S.1959, if passed, will be attached to the Homeland Security Act and InfraGard is already a part of the Department of Homeland Security. This is not a coincidence. Under section 899b of S.1959 it is stated:

    Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.

This appears to be a direct reference to the InfraGard program. Moreover, in section 899c of S.1959 the new commission created after passage is to build upon and bring together the work of other entities, and will establish, as designated under 899d, a “Center of Excellence.” This center will be university-based, and is to study “violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism” in the United States. According to InfraGard’s mission statement, it is a group of businesses, academic institutions, state and local law enforcement, and other participants dedicated to sharing information and intelligence. Keep in mind that this new center will be, and InfraGard already is, a part of the Department of Homeland Security. I’m just speculating, of course, but is it possible that InfraGard will be a domestic police and spying arm for the government concerning “thought crime”?

There is a definite and natural link here, and it should give us pause. The definitions concerning thought crime are vague and unclear, left to the interpretation of government only. InfraGard, on the other hand, is an organization cloaked in secrecy. It holds secret meetings with the FBI. It also, according to FBI Director Robert Mueller, shares information (what information, we don’t know) with the Secret Service and all government agencies involved with security in the United States.

One question on InfraGard’s application for membership is, Which critical infrastructures does your organization belong to? Some choices listed are defense, government, banking and finance, information and telecommunications, postal and shipping, transportation, public health, and energy. At least 350 of the Fortune 500 companies have representation in InfraGard, this according to their website. These representatives have access to most of our private records, including phone and Internet use, health records, and banking and finance records. Considering the recent attempts by President Bush and his administration to protect many telecommunications companies and executives from prosecution for releasing private information, how many of the top telecom executives are members of InfraGard? I, for one, would be very interested in this information, but alas, it is not public information; it is secret.

According to InfraGard’s own policies and procedures,

    The interests of InfraGard must be protected whenever presented to non-InfraGard members. Independent of the type of presentation, (interview, brief, or published documentation) the InfraGard leadership and the local FBI representative should be made aware of the upcoming presentation. The InfraGard member and the FBI representative should agree on the theme of the presentation. The identity of InfraGard members should be protected at all times.

This means that no one outside InfraGard is to know who is a member unless previous approval has been given. In addition, when interviews with members of the press are forthcoming, all questions should be submitted in writing prior to the interview. The InfraGard leadership and the local FBI representative should review the submitted questions, agree on the character of the answers, and identify the appropriate person to be interviewed prior to the interview. Even demeanor is addressed in this directive, and strict guidelines for behavior are listed. You see, when I said secret, I wasn’t kidding.

The bottom line is this: This is an organization created by the FBI, sanctioning individuals from the private business sector to provide information, sensitive and private information, to government agencies for special concessions. These concessions, or favors, according to an article titled “The FBI Deputizes Business,”in The Progressive magazine, include advance warning on a secure portal about any threatening information related to infrastructure disruption or terrorism. InfraGard notes as much on their website by advertising for members “access to an FBI secure communication network complete with VPN encrypted website, webmail, listservs, message boards and much more.” Also advertised: “Learn time-sensitive, infrastructure related security information from government sources such as DHS [Department of Homeland Security] and the FBI.” Is this elitist group of InfraGard members a group of Americans superior to the rest of us? Are they truly privileged or just selling their souls for protection and favors? And how involved will they be in watchdog activities, activities sanctioned by the U.S. government? Is this a new kind of conscription by government meant to increase its surveillance capabilities so that it can monitor our lives even more than it does now?

Legislation, bureaucracies, and government/business partnerships created since 9/11 have severely infringed our freedom. Almost all of the so-called terror-protection legislation has been linked — and in many cases it is linked — to increased government oversight of the rest of us. This is evident concerning InfraGard and the Department of Homeland Security. If this program is for the benefit of this country, why are the members’ names and their activities kept so secret? Why do some gain protection and early warning while the rest of us do not? And what information and “intelligence” is being shared? Since these business members are fully protected by government, how far will they go, and when will it be too late to stop this secret assault by this behemoth we call government?

Gary D. Barnett is president of Barnett Financial Services, Inc., in Lewistown, Montana. Send him email.
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