Kenyan certificate just as useless as Hawaiin one, neither helps govt cover-up

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Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa
Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

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WASHINGTON – California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2009, 02:05:08 pm »
bump

I would VEHEMENTLY URGE all infowarriors to enjoy the ongoing cat-n-mouse game of Obama's birth. An actual document from Kenya about Bammy's Kenyan origins.

How lovely - you know there's always an insane chance this is yet another psyop from a THIRD COVERT GOVERNMENT run by Hillary Clinton (the way Cheney pissed about on 9/11). Clinton is clearly gunning for Presidency, you know that, right?  She will not accept defeat and a subjugate position UNDER Lord Obama, oh no.

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2009, 02:17:48 pm »
Fricking SpaceCommand only posts bombshells.  Bravo SpaceCommand for your brevity in truth warrioring!

Everybody, why has Obama failed to produce something with at least 10% more credibility?

As far as the 3rd secret gov, we gotta expose them one at a time!
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2009, 02:25:51 pm »
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The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961

No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.

An enlarged view of the bottom of the document


Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."

Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.

"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."

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Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.

The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."

Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."

The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2009, 02:31:50 pm »
Who would have guessed that an actual Russian could bring down an American President (ya gotta love all the sub-plots going on):


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Motion for rogatory discovery to authenticate Kenyan Birth Certificate of Barack Hussein Obama
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3583


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

Notice of Electronic Filing
The following transaction was entered by Taitz, Orly on 8/1/2009 at 10:08 PM PDT and filed on 8/1/2009Case Name:   Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al
Case Number:   8:09-cv-82
Filer:   Alan Keyes PhD
Document Number:   34

Docket Text:
NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD. (Attachments: # (1) Appendix Photocopy of Obama’s birth certificate from Kenya)(Taitz, Orly)
8:09-cv-82 Notice has been electronically mailed to:

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA     david.dejute@usdoj.gov

Orly Taitz     dr_taitz@yahoo.com

8:09-cv-82 Notice has been delivered by First Class U. S. Mail or by fax to: :

The following document(s) are associated with this transaction:
Document description:

Main Document
Original filename:C:\Documents and Settings\Orly Taitz\My Documents\Keyes%20rogatory%20motion%202[1].pdf

Dr. Orly Taitz

Attorney-at-Law

Orly Taitz Law Offices

26302 La Paz, Suite 211

Mission Viejo, California 92691

Telephone: (949) 683-5411

E-Mail: dr_taitz@yahoo.com

 

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

SANTA ANA (SOUTHERN) DIVISION

 

Captain Pamela Barnett,                                 §

Lt. Colonel Richard Norton Bauerbach          §

Captain Robin D. Biron                                 §

Colonel John D. Blair,                                   §

Mr. David L. Bosley,                                     §

Ms. Loretta G. Bosley,                                   §

Captain Harry G. Butler,                                §

Representative Glenn Casada, Tennessee       §

Jennifer Leah Clark,                                      §

Representive Timothy Comerford, NH          §

Charles Crusemire,                              §

Representative Cynthia Davis, Missouri         §        Civil Action No.:

Chief Warrant O. Thomas S. Davidson         §        SACV09-00082-DOC (Anx)

Matthew Michael Edwards,                            §        TRIAL-BY-JURY

Lt. Jason Freese,                                            §        DEMANDED

Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua,                                        §

Officer Clint Grimes,                                     §

Representative Casey Guernsey, Missouri     §

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D. Andrew Johnson,                                      §

Israel D. Jones,                                              §

Timothy Jones,                                              §

Alan Keyes, Ph.D.,                                        §

Commander David Fullmer LaRoque,           §       

Gail Lightfoot,                                               §

Lita M. Lott,                                                  §

Major David Grant Mosby,                            §

MSGT Steven Kay Neuenschwander,            §

Representative Frank Niceley, Tennessee      §

Retired Senator Jerry O’Neil, Montana,         §

SFC E7 Robert Lee Perry          ,                             §

Representative Larry Rappaport, NH             §

Colonel Harry Riley,                                      §

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MSGT Jeffrey Schwilk,                                 §

Captain David Smithey,                                 §

Lt. Commander John Bruce Steidel,              §

Cmdr. Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth                §

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                              Plaintiffs,                         §

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                    v.                                               §

                                                                      §

Barack Hussein Obama,                                 §

Michelle L.R. Obama,                                    §

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State,  §

Robert M. Gates, Secretary of Defense,         §

Joseph R. Biden, Vice-President and             §

President of the Senate,                                  §

                              Defendants.                     §

 

SPECIAL MOTION FOR LEAVE TO CONDUCT PRE-RULE 26(f) DISCOVERY

TO DEFENDANT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and

CERTAIN NON-PARTY WITNESSES

TO PERPETUATE TESTIMONY, PRESERVE EVIDENCE, and to

TRANSMIT LETTERS ROGATORY PURSUANT to

28 U.S.C. §§1781(a)(2)-(b)(2)

          The undersigned counsel for Plaintiffs has acquired possession of a color copy of one certain document (attached as Exhibit A to this motion), regarding which there are no ready means of authentication except by recovery of the original document.  As should be apparent from the nature and content of the document, if authenticated, and shown to be genuine, the contents of this document will significantly narrow and shorten the discovery and pre-trial litigation period necessary in this case, and might lead to an early resolution by settlement or transfer of these proceedings to the United States House of Representatives and Senate according the procedures outlined in the Constitution.

     It is also apparent (and hearsay evidence available to Plaintiffs’ counsel aggravates her concerns) that political pressure may be brought to bear to destroy all relevant evidence, whether such evidence exists within or outside the borders of the United States of America.

          It would appear to the undersigned counsel that either 28 U.S.C. §1781(a)(2) or 28 U.S.C. §1782(b)(2) or some combination of these statutory authorizations outlines the procedures by which to transmit letters rogatory and other requests to the proper authorities abroad in Kenya and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

     For two classes of evidence at issue here, namely all requests for relevant passport materials and other documents existing within the United States of America, as well as all requests to be made through diplomatic channels to foreign tribunals, Defendant HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON is the Secretary of State of the United States of America, and accordingly, Secretary Clinton is the first and primary proper target of letters rogatory to be submitted pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §1781(a)(2).

          FIRST, Plaintiffs pray that this court authorize Plaintiffs to issue a special subpoena for deposition duces tecum to Secretary HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON be cited to appear within 21 days pursuant to (or in the letter and spirit of) Rule 27 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (even though this action has been filed and served, many months will pass before the Rule 26(f) Conference can be held to plan for discovery among the parties).  The purpose of Rule 27, even though designed for pre-filing discovery, is fulfilled and relevant here, in that some (above-noted) hearsay evidence exists that an individual involved in the examination of passport files at the United States Department of State relating to and involving certain 2008 Presidential candidates may have been killed in relation  to such inquiry. Last year it was announced by former secretary of State Candoleeza Rice that there was tampering with the passport records of three major presidential candidates and it was investigated by the inspector general.  Lt. Querl Harris was one of the suspects in passport tampering scandal. Washington post has announced that he was cooperating with the FBI and shortly thereafter he was found dead, shot in the head, sitting in his parked car.   This case remains open and unresolved. Under such circumstances, “perpetuation of evidence” becomes a more and more significant and time-sensitive issue.

          SECOND, Plaintiffs pray that this court will send a request for letters rogatory pursuant to 28 U.S.C.§1781(a)(2) to Defendant HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and other relevant officers in the United States Department of State to issue and transmit letters rogatory through proper diplomatic channels to the following foreign offices of public record and vital statistics:

          For the Republic of Kenya:

KENYA
The Principal Civil Registrar
Dept of Civil Registration
Office of the President
PO Box 49179
Nairobi
Kenya

Tel: 227461

And/or

Office of the Principal Registrar

Deputy Registrar

Births, Deaths, and Marriages for the

Coast Province of Kenya

(or its modern successor, equivalent jurisdiction) in and for

MOMBASA, KENYA

(formerly British East Africa)

and/or

Kenya High Commission
45 Portland Place
London W1B 1AS

Tel No. 020 7636 2371

E-maiL: info.uk@kenyahighcommission.net info.uk@kenyahighcommission.net

http://www.kenyahighcommission.net/

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And/or

www.direct.gov.uk

General Register Office

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/contact_us.asp

Certificate Services Section

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Passports/

WhoiseligibleforaBritishpassport/DG_174145
General Register Office
PO Box 2
SOUTHPORT
PR8 2JD

Tel: +44 (0) 845 603 7788 (8am to 8pm Monday to Friday. Saturday 9am to 4pm).

THIRD and in the alternative, Plaintiffs pray that this court issue and transmit letters rogatory and requests directly to each of the above-and-foregoing listed foreign offices or agencies (or to the relevant tribunals with appropriate jurisdiction in the relevant countries) without the intervention or assistance of Defendant HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and/or other officers of the Department of State and/or the Department of Justice of the United States of America.

It is urgent that this request be prosecuted prior to the normal onset of discovery in this case, again, according to the general letter and spirit of Rule 27 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure regarding the perpetuation of testimony.  There has never been a constitutional challenge to the identity and eligibility of a sitting President of the United States and so there are no direct precedents regarding this matter, but it is fairly safe to say that the potential consequences and fallout from this present filing being made public will be severe and significant, even though the undersigned counsel makes absolutely no pre-judgment or prediction regarding the actual authenticity of the document of which only a color copy taken by a camera at an odd angle, which is attached herein as Exhibit A.

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

For all of the above-and-foregoing reasons, Plaintiffs pray that this court will grant leave to the Plaintiffs to conduct the aforementioned special discovery immediately and prior to the normal Rule 26(f) Conference, pursuant to Rule 27 and all or some subset of the procedures authorized in 28 U.S.C. §§1781(a)(2)-1781(b)(2).  Although the urgency of this request cannot be overstated, 21 days is the normal time for service of such a request as this under Rule 27 of the Federal Rules, and the undersigned counsel reminds the Court that she will be out of the United States from August 2, 2009, to August 24, 2009.

                                                  Respectfully submitted,

Saturday, August 1, 2009

Lughnasadh/LaLunasa

 

                                                            By:________________________________

                                                            Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. (SBN 223433)

                                                            Attorney for the Plaintiffs

                                                            26302 La Paz, Suite 211

                                                            Mission Viejo, California 92691

 

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PROOF OF SERVICE

          I the undersigned Charles Edward Lincoln, being over the age of 18 and not a party to this case, so hereby declare under penalty of perjury that on this Saturday August 1, 2009, I provided facsimile copies of the Plaintiffs’ above-and-foregoing

SPECIAL MOTION FOR LEAVE TO CONDUCT PRE-RULE 26(f) DISCOVERY

TO DEFENDANT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and

CERTAIN NON-PARTY WITNESSES

TO PERPETUATE TESTIMONY, PRESERVE EVIDENCE, and TRANSMIT

 LETTERS ROGATORY PURSUANT to 28 U.S.C. §§1781(a)(2)-(b)(2)

to all of the following non-party attorneys whose names were affixed to the “STATEMENT OF INTEREST” who have appeared in this case in accordance with the local rules of the Central District of California, to wit:

THOMAS P. O’BRIEN

LEON W. WEIDMAN

ROGER E. WEST

DAVID A. DeJUTE

FACSIMILE (213) 894-7819

DONE AND EXECUTED ON THIS 1st day of August, 2009

Charles Edward Lincoln, III

charles.lincoln@rocketmail.com

Tel: (512) 923-1889

Exhibit A:

Unauthenticated Color Photocopy of

Certified Copy of

Registration of Birth from the

Coast Province of Kenya

District of Mombasa

District Registry Office

Office of the Principal Registrar

Republic of Kenya, issued on the

17th day of February, 19
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2009, 02:32:43 pm »
WOW OMG!!!!
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2009, 02:34:01 pm »
Prepare for the



... And, with the precedent set ... the solution!

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2009, 02:34:42 pm »
Note the raised seal on the birth certificate.

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Who would have guessed that an actual Russian could bring down an American President (ya gotta love all the sub-plots going on):

Now there's food for thought.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2009, 02:34:55 pm »
I haven't really followed the B/C issue but Is there a record of him fighting the release of his B/C?  By record, I mean a payment history of lawyers etc. It would seem to me that the "smoking gun" is the defense of the release, idk

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2009, 02:37:50 pm »
"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.

"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
"You gotta remember, establishment, it’s just a name for evil. The monster doesn’t care whether it kills all the students or whether there’s a revolution. It’s not thinking logically, it’s out of control."
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WND Running a Story on Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (8-2-09)
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2009, 02:39:16 pm »
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764


  Jerome Corsi is one of the writers of this article.

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2009, 02:46:47 pm »
Prepare for the



... And, with the precedent set ... the solution!



yup, but they wanted this to come out in like 5 years to say "what is the problem anyway we should change the law for Arnold"

But we are totally f-ing with their timelines. How are they going to ram death care down our throats with this stuff?
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2009, 03:00:34 pm »


Well, well... isn't this getting more interesting...



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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2009, 03:08:58 pm »
EVERYONE...DO NOT PROMOTE COMPLETELY OUTLANDISH INNUENDO THAT FUELS THE COINTILPRO SUB-ELITES TO CALL IN FAKE CONCERNS TO THEIR HIGHER UPS FOR ASS KISSING REASONS. IT ENDS UP CREATING UNJUSTIFIED ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL SCRUTINY OF THIS NON-VIOLENT, PEACE PROMOTING FORUM.

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2009, 03:12:34 pm »
My initial reaction is that this certificate is fake, because I cannot think of how he would have got hold of this. Surely, the powers that be would have prevented Kenya from just giving these certificates away.

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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2009, 03:17:19 pm »
My initial reaction is that this certificate is fake, because I cannot think of how he would have got hold of this. Surely, the powers that be would have prevented Kenya from just giving these certificates away.

It looks like this certificate was known to have been a possibility and that is why the CFR leaked the fake one a week ago. The fake one is like the fake yellow cake document and the fake Mohammed Atta/Iraq connection.

Looks like this one has more validity.  It definitely will force the morons to shift their strategy from STFU, to ok guess we will have to look at this.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2009, 03:24:01 pm »
My initial reaction is that this certificate is fake, because I cannot think of how he would have got hold of this. Surely, the powers that be would have prevented Kenya from just giving these certificates away.

What is the government of Kenya's relationship with Russia?
I suspect this is deeper than Orly or Corsi.. bigger forces at work.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2009, 03:26:12 pm »
What is the government of Kenya's relationship with Russia?
I suspect this is deeper than Orly or Corsi.. bigger forces at work.


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Kenya–Russia relations are bilateral relations between Russia and Kenya. Russia has an Embassy in Nairobi. Kenya is represented in Greece through its Embassy in Moscow. Russia had established diplomatic relations with Kenya on December 14, 1963 and it still has good relations with the East African country.
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2009, 03:27:27 pm »

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Kenya–Russia relations are bilateral relations between Russia and Kenya. Russia has an Embassy in Nairobi. Kenya is represented in Greece through its Embassy in Moscow. Russia had established diplomatic relations with Kenya on December 14, 1963 and it still has good relations with the East African country.
Any resources traded/sold between them? Also, is there any threat to economic ties from Obama admin?
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2009, 03:27:40 pm »
I think we're just going to have to see what comes of this. I expect the American judges to throw the case out entirely. They will most likely just trust the Hawaii government, who say that he was born in Hawaii.

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2009, 03:34:09 pm »
17:5129/02/2008
MOSCOW, February 29 (RIA Novosti) - Russia welcomes a power-sharing agreement between Kenya's leaders, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Friday.
"On February 28, Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki and the leader of the opposition Orange Democratic Movement, Raila Odinga, signed an agreement on the principles of setting up a coalition government," the ministry said.

"Russia perceived with satisfaction this decision, opening a way to settle a more than two-month-long political crisis," it said, adding that the deal had become possible thanks to active work by former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

More than 1,000 people have been killed and around 300,000 forced from their homes in Kenya since violence broke out after the disputed December 27 presidential election, in which Mwai Kibaki was reelected.

The opposition refused to recognize Kibaki's victory in the election, which both international and local observers said was rigged. The fighting escalated into an ethnic conflict, with public anger focusing on the ruling Kikuyu tribe.

On February 5, Annan chaired peace talks between the government and the opposition.

Earlier this month, the rival factions drafted a plan of joint action to solve the crisis.

As possible resolutions to the conflict, Annan suggested a power-sharing deal between the parties, the creation of an interim government before a new presidential vote, and the verification of the disputed election results.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080229/100343272.html
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2009, 03:34:20 pm »
I think we have better relations than Russia.  During Obama's youth there was complete anarchy (I believe).

But this thread should be used into looking at the situation in a very focused way in my opinion...

Obama has not ever shown a birth certificate to the American people.

There now exists a birth certificate from another country.

The media has been saying SHUT THE F UP instead of addressing this very important issue.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2009, 03:35:10 pm »
My initial reaction is that this certificate is fake, because I cannot think of how he would have got hold of this. Surely, the powers that be would have prevented Kenya from just giving these certificates away.

That is true. But  if  you think to the bottom line on this...Biden as president? BIDEN????  He 's more of a  mutton than Bush was.
That trickles it  to the next horror in line   p e l o si  (spits out foul taste) That is more than my mind can handle....

And WHAT A CRISIS it  would be , to have a puppet removed from the herds of the dumb-dumb sheeple  who are still drooling for change.
Or is that  the international crisis facing Obama??????? a Kenya BC?????

Bottom line for me  it is a non issue..they are  getting ready to  cull us, via man made flu or  toxin ladden vax.....the puppet masters know and never cared where he was hatched... could have been a lunar chicken coop, they would have installed this puppet.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2009, 03:36:12 pm »
Prepare for the



Is that actually one of the original Illuminati cards, or was this made after Obama's election?

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2009, 03:36:23 pm »
I see your point ... just wondering if there's a split in the gang at the top in terms of Obama's viability. The 'leak' of the Kenyan birth certificate was initiated by someone.. and wondering if Orly's country of origin was involved in facilitating it. It's more to the relationship we have with Russia, than Kenya-Russia perhaps.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2009, 03:38:53 pm »
That is true. But  if  you think to the bottom line on this...Biden as president? BIDEN????  He 's more of a  mutton than Bush was.
That trickles it  to the next horror in line   p e l o si  (spits out foul taste) That is more than my mind can handle....

And WHAT A CRISIS it  would be , to have a puppet removed from the herds of the dumb-dumb sheeple  who are still drooling for change.
Or is that  the international crisis facing Obama??????? a Kenya BC?????

Bottom line for me  it is a non issue..they are  getting ready to  cull us, via man made flu or  toxin ladden vax.....the puppet masters know and never cared where he was hatched... could have been a lunar chicken coop, they would have installed this puppet.


and after Pelosi is KKK member Byrd.

BUT THAT IS HORSE CACA.

This is about the American people seeing that the plans are decided by other people and the ones in our face like Obama are just salespeople for the banksters. The banksters just throw up a new "manager at Burger King" according to KRSOne.  It is time we demanded some accountability.

And if Biden does not respect the constitution, we will expose that and demand impeachment.

And if (more like when) Pelosi...

This is about exposing how the bankster use the obama deception to just continue their plans for full feudalism using puppets like Clinton/Pelosi/Biden/etc.
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2009, 03:41:51 pm »
Is that actually one of the original Illuminati cards, or was this made after Obama's election?

That is definitely the plan, but the plan was for him to implement 10 more insane NWO agenda items...attach his name to those items...then do the backlash so that the banksters that wrote the bills (edicts of tyranny) would be held harmless.

But this situation puts a serious wrench into their gears of feudalism and that is why they are going ape shit for people to stop talking about this.

We already know all the plans, but they are all on specific timelines and if you can short circuit the timelines, you throw they whole development scenarios out of whack.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2009, 03:55:39 pm »
Sorry to be a downer but here is the issue
The Republic of Kenya didn't start until Dec 1964
just prior to that it was handed over to moderates known as The Kenya African National Union (KANU)
None the less the republic Of Kenya is most definitely the most obvious thing in question about this document in regards to their date of Aug.8, 1961.

In other words the republic of Kenya did not exist in 1961 as dated here which bares the name of "The Republic Of Kenya"

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2009, 03:57:06 pm »
Is that actually one of the original Illuminati cards, or was this made after Obama's election?

I thought that game was made back in the 90s.

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2009, 04:04:35 pm »
Sorry to be a downer but here is the issue
The Republic of Kenya didn't start until Dec 1964
just prior to that it was handed over to moderates known as The Kenya African National Union (KANU)
None the less the republic Of Kenya is most definitely the most obvious thing in question about this document in regards to their date of Aug.8, 1961.

In other words the republic of Kenya did not exist in 1961 as dated here which bares the name of "The Republic Of Kenya"

document was dated February 1964.

I thought it was always referred to as Kenya since 1920, a part of the British Empire which won its independence in 1963...

Independence from the United Kingdom December 12, 1963  Republic declared December 12, 1964. Within that time period who knows how the documents were identified.  I doubt there was no vetting going on, but here is what WND said:

"No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.  WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical."
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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2009, 04:05:07 pm »
I thought that game was made back in the 90s.

Yeah, it was. That's why I was amazed. The guy looks just like Obama.

That's why I'm thinking this was some kind of spoof of the game, photoshopped after the election.

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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2009, 04:07:37 pm »
Interesting

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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2009, 04:10:03 pm »
Sorry to be a downer but here is the issue
The Republic of Kenya didn't start until Dec 1964
just prior to that it was handed over to moderates known as The Kenya African National Union (KANU)
None the less the republic Of Kenya is most definitely the most obvious thing in question about this document in regards to their date of Aug.8, 1961.

In other words the republic of Kenya did not exist in 1961 as dated here which bares the name of "The Republic Of Kenya"

The article says this in response to your query.

 "No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964."

Perhaps they transcribed all citizens birth certificates to new documents after they became a republic?
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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2009, 04:11:43 pm »
document was dated February 1964.

I thought it was always referred to as Kenya since 1920, a part of the British Empire which won its independence in 1963...

Independence from the United Kingdom December 12, 1963  Republic declared December 12, 1964. Within that time period who knows how the documents were identified.  I doubt there was no vetting going on, but here is what WND said:

"No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.  WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical."
thanks, i didnt see that light typing of 1964 at the bottom, im confused

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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2009, 04:12:27 pm »
Holy shit, Pardon my language but this looks like the real deal.  How will they ignore this.

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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2009, 04:15:45 pm »
The article says this in response to your query.

 "No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Couya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964."

Perhaps they transcribed all citizens birth certificates to new documents after they became a republic?

Yes, that is a distinct possibility.  Here is more information on the events:

Independence: from AD 1963

Jomo Kenyatta is still in detention in 1960, but his colleagues elect him president of their newly formed political party KANU (Kenya African National Union). He is released by the British in 1961. In London in 1962 he leads Kenya's delegation in the negotiations for independence. The new nation is to include the coastal strip which until this time has been leased from the sultan of Zanzibar.

In elections in May 1963 KANU wins the majority of the seats. Independence is achieved in December 1963, with Kenyatta as prime minister. A year later, under a new constitution, Kenya becomes a republic (soon to be a one-party republic, when opposition leaders agree to end party faction and cooperate with KANU). In 1964 Kenyatta is elected president.


So negotiations for independence were in action from 1962.

It definitley makes sense as you say that they were in the process of documenting all citizens of the fledgling republic even before their first elections (how would you know who is a valid voter? Of course he was only 3 at the time, but I can understand this being a comprehensive policy to verify the original citizens).  They did declare independence in 1963.

It also makes sense that they would rush to document all of their people to initiate negotiations with other countries as soon as the republic was officially declared.  But I guess WND should answer this more thoroughly, hopefully showing similar documents with similar dates.
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Re: Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2009, 04:19:57 pm »
Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya

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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2009, 04:20:16 pm »
thanks, i didnt see that light typing of 1964 at the bottom, im confused

no problem, I am glad that you brought it up because Bill Maher and the other CFR apologists are going to probably without showing the actual date to say "you guys are moron insane racist southern texans!"
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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2009, 04:22:11 pm »
Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya

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From wiki (right before your quote):
On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain's Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty).
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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2009, 04:24:12 pm »
Someone found this and posted it on another message board: http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/281blzk.jpg