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« on: July 29, 2009, 07:26:04 PM »

Need yall to check this out. Got this from a rabid Obama Nuthugger, It's sickening how attached to his nutsack he is.

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MYTH 1: Obama hasn't released a copy of his birth certificate.[/b]
FACT: The state of Hawaii has no official document known as a "birth certificate." They have a "certificate of live birth" (long form) and a "certification of live birth" (short form), both of which are legally equivalent for verifying birth under Hawaii law (HRS 338-13b). Although the keeping of vital statistics is a state function, the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics created the "short form" standard, which Hawaii adopted nearly ten years ago. Thus, the certification of live birth is a federally accepted document of birth record.

Obama has released his certification of live birth.

MYTH 2: Obama can put this whole thing to rest just by releasing a photocopy of his certificate of live birth, or the "long form."[/b]
FACT: Since 2001, it has been against Hawaii Department of Health regulations for a photocopy of the certificate of live birth to be released to anyone whose records are in their computer system.  According to the Communications Director of the Hawaii Department of Health (DoH), in 2001, the DoH transferred all its vital records onto a computer system, and switched from providing the "certificate" to the "certification." Furthermore, The Hawaii DoH's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate.

Since Hawaii law (HRS 338-13c & 338-18a) grants the DoH sole discretion on what constitutes a "certified copy," Obama cannot legally obtain a photocopy of his certificate of live birth, as it is not currently considered a certified copy.

MYTH 3: Obama's certificate of live birth (long form) does not exist.[/b]
FACT: The Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, Registrar of Vital Records, and Linda Lingle, the Republican Governor of Hawaii (who was campaigning for McCain at the time), have confirmed that Obama's original certificate exists and is on file with the Hawaii Department of Health.

MYTH 4: If the certificate of live birth exists (long form), and the three people mentioned above have inspected it, then Obama can just show his photocopy to us.[/b]
FACT: There is no indication that Obama has a photocopy of the long form in his possession. For Obama to have a photocopy of his certificate of live birth, he would have had to request it from the Hawaii DoH prior to 2001, as they have not been released since then. Furthermore, Hawaii law (HRS 338-18b) explicitly allows only for a.) inspection of the certificate by, or b.) a certified copy of the certificate to be released to, parties with a tangible interest; a.) the general public does not qualify as a party with a tangible interest under Hawaii law, and b.) a photocopy of the long form currently does not qualify as a certified copy.

As indicated in MYTH 2, since 2001 it has been against Hawaii DoH regulations for a photocopy of the certificate of live birth to be released to anyone whose records are in the computer system.

MYTH 5: The certification of live birth that Obama released is a forgery since it has no official seal or signature.[/b]
FACT: High-resolution photos of Obama's certification of live birth clearly show the raised seal and signature of the Registrar of Vital Records.

MYTH 6: While Obama claims he was born at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, the hospital has denied that Obama was born there.[/b]
FACT: The federal Health Information Privacy Act of 1999 - a law passed to protect medical records from public scrutiny - prevents hospitals from confirming births. However, Claire Tong, the Director of Communications for Kapiolani Medical Center has said, "We can't confirm or deny it - even though all the information out there says he was born at Kapiolani Hospital. And that's because of the HIPA law."

Still, a video on the Kapiolani Medical Center website (2:13 of first video) shows Hawaii Congressman Neil Abercrombie reading a letter from Obama at the hospital in which he says he was born. No official hospital or Obama spokesperson has ever ever claimed that Obama was born elsewhere.

MYTH 7: Obama was born at Queen's Hospital in Honolulu, not Kapiolani Medical Center.[/b]
FACT: United Press International (UPI) claimed that Queen's Hospital was the place of birth, but never quoted or referenced any source for that claim; it has since been corrected. Because UPI is a service with many local affiliates that use their stories (similar to AP),  this information was published by several other sites before being corrected to say Kapiolani.

In addition, WND.com published a story on July 9, 2009 about the UPI correction. WND.com used an Obama community blog from Sophia Ajaz (who had no affiliation with the Obama campaign) as a source for their story, and this later translated to "Obama campaign officials" on other websites. WND.com also references William Addams Reitwiesner, a "genealogist for the Library of Congress," although this is factually inaccurate as he only practices genealogy in his spare time (Reitwiesner's personal website currently lists Kapiolani as the hospital of birth.) Again, no official hospital or Obama spokesperson has ever claimed that Obama was born anywhere other than at Kapiolani.

MYTH 8: Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in the courts to prevent the release of a photocopy of his certificate of live birth.[/b]
FACT: Obama's lawyers haven't had to spend one day in court to defend an eligibility suit. Only three lawsuits* have been filed specifically against Obama and/or his campaign in relation to his birth certificate/eligibility for the Presidency (Berg v. Obama, Hollister v. Soetoro, Cook v. Obama.) Both Berg v. Obama and Cook v. Obama were denied before any Obama lawyers had to appear, and the lawyer for Hollister in Hollister v. Soetoro was ordered to show the judge why he shouldn't pay Obama's legal fees for the case for wasting the court's time.

Even so, Obama has not spent one cent of his own money on legal representation. All legal expenses are covered by Obama's campaign and the DNC. In the Obama campaign FEC filing, the entry for "candidate contribution" lists $0. All contributions to his campaign were from individuals, PACs, and other committees.

Of course, the Obama campaign and DNC have presumably spent money on procedural issues related to the above cases - although no record of how much he has spent on these particular cases exists. There is no source for the "hundreds of thousands of dollars" figure.

*Many other lawsuits have been filed regarding Obama's eligibility, but none of them specifically against Obama or his campaign or affiliates. All (that aren't still pending) have been dismissed or denied a hearing.

MYTH 9: Obama is not a citizen, even if he was born in Hawaii, because his father was Kenyan with British citizenship when Obama was born, or because Obama would have lost his citizenship when Ann Dunham married her second, Indonesian husband, Lolo Soetoro.[/b]
FACT: In 1898, in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that any person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of the United States regardless of their parents' citizenship and is therefore eligible for either the American presidency or vice-presidency.

MYTH 10: The 1961 birth announcements in the Honolulu newspapers could have been called in from abroad.[/b]
FACT: The exact same notices of birth both above and below the Obama birth announcement appeared in both the Honolulu Advertiser and Honolulu Star-Bulletin - both unaffiliated, competing publications. The listings are not organized by date, time, or alphabetical order, yet they are in identical order in both papers.
Honolulu Advertiser columnist and former Honolulu Star-Bulletin managing editor Dave Shapiro explained: "Those were listings that came over from the state Department of Health," he said. "They would send the same thing to both papers."
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 07:30:52 PM »

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MYTH 11: Obama's paternal step-grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, stated that Obama was born in Kenya.[/b]
FACT:  This myth stemmed from the partial transcript of an October 16, 2008 phone call from Anabaptist preacher Ron McRae to Sarah Obama in Kenya, that was widely spread among conservative circles before the full trancript was released. There never was a statement by Sarah Obama at any point in this phone call saying or intending to say that Barack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. In fact, her translator repeatedly says that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii (audio below.)

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MCRAE: Amen. I am so thankful. Could I ask her, uh, about his, uh, his actual birthplace? I would like to see his actual birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she present when he was, was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE (TRANSLATOR): (unintelligible)

KWELI SHUHUBIA: He is asking her, he wants to know something was ah she present when he was born?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says "Yes she was. She was present when Obama was born."

MCRAE: Okay.

This was the only part of the interview which McRae originally released. It wasn't until later that the rest of the interview was made public:

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MCRAE: Okay, when I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Okay. Do you know whereabouts he was born? Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.

MCRAE: Okay.

OGOMBE: In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Audio of the full interview (transcript above is from 3:58 to 7:53)

MYTH 12: Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii.[/b]
FACT:  HRS 338-17.8 allows for certificates to be given to children born outside the state; however, this law wasn't enacted until 20 years after Obama was born, and still would require the place of birth to be listed on the certificate, according to Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Hawaii DoH:

"If you were born in Bali, for example," Okubo explained, "you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu."

MYTH 13: The Department of Hawaiian Homelands (DHHL) does not accept the short form certification of live birth as proof of Hawaiian birth.[/b]
FACT: On June 7, 2009, the website wnd.com pointed to a DHHL webpage that required information beyond what is found on the short form in order to determine native Hawaiian blood. The DHHL website never indicated that the short form was inadequate for proof of Hawaiian birth. The difference between "Hawaiian birth" and "native Hawaiian blood" is synonymous to the difference between having been born in Illinois and having ancestors who were in the Illini Native American tribe.

Regardless, by July 7, 2009, the DHHL website had been updated to clarify the difference between Hawaiian birth and native Hawaiian blood, as well as to indicate that the short form is valid for DHHL purposes.

MYTH 14: In the summer of 1981, Obama travelled to Pakistan when there was a travel ban on U.S. Passport holders, so he must have been travelling on a foreign passport.[/b]
FACT: There was no travel ban on U.S. passport holders to Pakistan in 1981. This 1981 State Department travel advisory about updated Pakistan tourist visa requirements, along with this June 1981 New York Times article about a trip to Lahore, corroborate this fact.

MYTH 15: Obama is a citizen of Kenya, because the Kenyan constitution specifies that children of Kenyan citizens are automatically Kenyan citizens as well.[/b]
FACT: This myth is actually partially true - but not to the extent that it calls Obama's eligibility for the Presidency into question.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born in 1961, Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

 
Quote from: Kenya Constitution, Chapter VI, Section 87
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963.

But the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults (Chapter VI, Section 97.) Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.

MYTH 16: Obama, on his first full day in residence in the Oval Office, issued an executive order restricting the release of presidential records, and thus his birth certificate.[/b]
FACT: Obama's Executive Order 13489 is identical to Executive Order 12667 which was in effect during the presidencies of Reagan, Bush 1, and Clinton, and Obama's birth certificate does not fall under EO 13489 jurisdiction as it is not a presidential record created during Obama's presidency.

In fact, EO 13489 creates MORE transparency than was present previously, by revoking G.W. Bush's EO 13233, which had severely limited transparency.

Obama's EO 13489 states that only living former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.

MYTH 17: Major Stefan F. Cook, who believes Obama is not a natural born citizen, was allowed to circumvent his deployment because of the merits of his lawsuit against Obama.[/b]
FACT: Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer said, "A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty."

Furthermore, Lt. Comm. William Speaks, an Army CENTCOM spokesman, rejected claims that the revocation validated Cook's lawsuit: "This in no way validates any of the outlandish claims made by Maj. Cook or his attorney. The idea that this validates those charges about the president's fitness for office is simply false."


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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 02:56:08 AM »

Not worth wasting time on.

You can't change the mind of devotees in the Obama cult.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 04:23:49 AM »

Not worth wasting time on.

You can't change the mind of devotees in the Obama cult.



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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 05:57:13 AM »

YES WE CAN!







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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 08:31:07 PM »

OK, OK!!! I'll show you. Let me get done with my beer first.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2009, 09:38:50 PM »





LOL, that picture sums him up. Your right though, he isnt worth time. He is so attached to Barry's Nutsack its sickening. Here is an actual quote, I HAVE NOT ALTERED IT IN ANY WAY FORM OR FASHION. I kid you not:

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His answer to that question was flawless. It still amazes me how good he is with words. Wow.

Here IS another one from an Obama cultist

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Wow, I couldn't agree more but man I'm so glad President Obama said it and didn't shun away from the issue.

Now he and Gates are friends (of course President Obama went to Harvard), and he did say he wasn't there, but I'm glad to see the President has common sense and the balls to stand up about it.

Freakin WIN!!!!!!!!

Man, that made my week!

(if you didn't see it, it was in today's press conference)

GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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