ED SCHULTZ on MSNBC shows a clip from the Alex Jones show

[Dig]

WTF is going on?!?!!!??!?!??!

This is the fricking twilight zone.

He ran a segment called "psycho talk" which is really "General Electric Hit Job Talk"

He said that Goemert was a psycho for discussing the actual euthenasia clauses in the anti-healthcare bill.

People should be aware that General Electric stands to make over $100 Billion from this anti-healthcare bill and they have received a bailout (even though they are not a bank) of $18 Billion and they have received $140 Billion in insurance from the FDIC (again even though they are not a bank).  They are owned by Harriman and the British Royals.  That is the same Harriman that E. Howard Hunt worked for during the time the bankers blew Kennedy's brains out of his skull.

[Dig]

Can anybody say the shit is hitting the fan and the fan is on high?

[JesusItrustinYou]

Is there a link yet? 

[Dig]

Is there a link yet?  

It literally just happened. They tried to just have the rep's comments, but 3 words from AJ slipped into the clip.

It was awesome!

How often is AJ's voice on MSNBC?

They are obviously listening to his show. They have tried for over 10 years to completely ignore the conversations that AJ consistently brings to the surface.  Now they are forced to deal with these same conversations that others have been having all along.

Hey MSM...catch up!

[Dig]

Can anyone publish the euthenasia clauses from the anti-healthcare bill?

[starvosan]

I don't think the proposed bill actually mentions intentionally killing people.  Though they do talk about denying health care to people who are too old, or, in their opinion, have no quality of life. 

[Dig]

I don't think the proposed bill actually mentions intentionally killing people.  Though they do talk about denying health care to people who are too old, or, in their opinion, have no quality of life. 

yup those are the clauses I was looking for.

[Dig]

Gee,  I wonder why some people might be concerned about denying coverage to certain groups of people:

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.
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Lots of direct quotations at the source link. You CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.

[Unintelligable Name]

Cool -- you sure do like that MSNBC.

[Dig]

Cool -- you sure do like that MSNBC.

have to expose the "Fuller Spectrum of Tyrannical Mind Control"

[Ghost in the Machine]

is this good or bad?

[Dig]

is this good or bad?

good, everything is good.

use their weapons against them -sun tzu

first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win -ghandi

[Ghost in the Machine]

sun tzu was a military genius I wish we had a man like that on our side 

[Dig]

sun tzu was a military genius I wish we had a man like that on our side  

we do, him.  His work is posted on this forum...

As a James Cameron character once said: "read it, know it, live it!"

[Dig]

Oh snap, The Obama Kool-Aid drinkers at Think Progress (I used to really love this site too) listen to Alex Jones...

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Gohmert Trades Ideas With Conspiracy Theorist, Says Obama Health Plan Will ‘Absolutely Kill Senior Citizens’
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/gohmert-conspiracies-alexjones/

Last Friday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) joined radical conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on his radio talk show for an interview. Jones has made a name for himself propagating conspiracies ranging from the claim that Bill Clinton planned the Oklahoma City bombings to the idea that the attacks on 9/11 were orchestrated by a cabal of American and Israeli government officials.

During the 30-minute interview about “nation ending stuff,” Gohmert used his opportunity on the Jones show to showcase his own odd anti-Obama conspiracy theories:

GOHMERT: We’ve been battling this socialist health care, the nationalization of health care, that is going to absolutely kill senior citizens. They’ll put them on lists and force them to die early because they won’t get the treatment as early as they need. [...] I would rather stop this socialization of health care because once the government pays for your health care, they have every right to tell you what you eat, what you drink, how you exercise, where you live. [...] But if we’re going to pay 700 million dollars like we voted last Friday to put condoms on wild horses, and I know it just says an un-permanent enhanced contraception whatever the heck that is. I guess it follows that they’re eventually get around to doing it to us.

The outrageous claim that a public option in health care will kill people is becoming a popular meme within the GOP caucus, used also by members such as Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA). But not to be outdone, Jones offered the congressman his own set of conspiracy theories and outlandish statements, many of which Gohmert agreed with:

JONES: Did you hear about the WH science czar calling for putting stuff in the water to sterilize us?

GOHMET: No, I had not heard that. [...]

GOHMERT: People are always willing to give up their liberty to get economic stability.

JONES: Look at Hitler.

GOHMERT: Absolutely. Boy that’s the best example, maybe the best example. […]

JONES: As the Time magazine headline said, we’ve almost got national health care. They’ve almost got eugenics control grid over us. Can you speak to your website, how we help you. In closing, the youth brigades, national service compulsory in a group outside the military under the Democratic party control in the city year in the red and black uniforms? [...] In closing, and we’re going to let you go sir, the youth brigades, national compulsory service, the Democrats have introduced those bills. Your take on that?

GOHMERT: Well you just referred to that point in history where this stuff has been done before. It was done in the 1930s and its not the only place its been done. It has been done throughout history.

JONES: Mao did it.

GOHMERT: Well that’s exactly what I was thinking of. This is the kind of the thing we got to stop. We got to get back to the roots, the basics.

Listen here:




While swapping conspiracy theories, the two also traded compliments. “That shows how on top of things you are, Alex,” said Gohmert at one point, praising the talk show’s knowledge. Jones also thanked Gohmert many times and reminded him that “you’re there fighting and we’re supporting you.”

Despite his outlandish views, Jones’ influence can not be underestimated. Richard Poplawski, the young man who gunned down three Pittsburgh police officers earlier this year after professing a fear that the government would confiscate his guns, was a die-hard fan of Jones. Jones, who rants daily about Obama’s intentions to revoke the 2nd amendment, is also one of the loudest voices for the “birther movement.”

[jofortruth]

Can anyone publish the euthenasia clauses from the anti-healthcare bill?

You will find some here:(Summarizes part of the bill by page number)
http://www.financialsense.com/fsn/presentations/2009/0724.html

[NinjaPatriot]

Oh snap, The Obama Kool-Aid drinkers at Think Progress (I used to really love this site too) listen to Alex Jones...

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Gohmert Trades Ideas With Conspiracy Theorist, Says Obama Health Plan Will ‘Absolutely Kill Senior Citizens’
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/gohmert-conspiracies-alexjones/

Last Friday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) joined radical conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on his radio talk show for an interview. Jones has made a name for himself propagating conspiracies ranging from the claim that Bill Clinton planned the Oklahoma City bombings to the idea that the attacks on 9/11 were orchestrated by a cabal of American and Israeli government officials.

During the 30-minute interview about “nation ending stuff,” Gohmert used his opportunity on the Jones show to showcase his own odd anti-Obama conspiracy theories:

GOHMERT: We’ve been battling this socialist health care, the nationalization of health care, that is going to absolutely kill senior citizens. They’ll put them on lists and force them to die early because they won’t get the treatment as early as they need. [...] I would rather stop this socialization of health care because once the government pays for your health care, they have every right to tell you what you eat, what you drink, how you exercise, where you live. [...] But if we’re going to pay 700 million dollars like we voted last Friday to put condoms on wild horses, and I know it just says an un-permanent enhanced contraception whatever the heck that is. I guess it follows that they’re eventually get around to doing it to us.

The outrageous claim that a public option in health care will kill people is becoming a popular meme within the GOP caucus, used also by members such as Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA). But not to be outdone, Jones offered the congressman his own set of conspiracy theories and outlandish statements, many of which Gohmert agreed with:

JONES: Did you hear about the WH science czar calling for putting stuff in the water to sterilize us?

GOHMET: No, I had not heard that. [...]

GOHMERT: People are always willing to give up their liberty to get economic stability.

JONES: Look at Hitler.

GOHMERT: Absolutely. Boy that’s the best example, maybe the best example. […]

JONES: As the Time magazine headline said, we’ve almost got national health care. They’ve almost got eugenics control grid over us. Can you speak to your website, how we help you. In closing, the youth brigades, national service compulsory in a group outside the military under the Democratic party control in the city year in the red and black uniforms? [...] In closing, and we’re going to let you go sir, the youth brigades, national compulsory service, the Democrats have introduced those bills. Your take on that?

GOHMERT: Well you just referred to that point in history where this stuff has been done before. It was done in the 1930s and its not the only place its been done. It has been done throughout history.

JONES: Mao did it.

GOHMERT: Well that’s exactly what I was thinking of. This is the kind of the thing we got to stop. We got to get back to the roots, the basics.

Listen here:




While swapping conspiracy theories, the two also traded compliments. “That shows how on top of things you are, Alex,” said Gohmert at one point, praising the talk show’s knowledge. Jones also thanked Gohmert many times and reminded him that “you’re there fighting and we’re supporting you.”

Despite his outlandish views, Jones’ influence can not be underestimated. Richard Poplawski, the young man who gunned down three Pittsburgh police officers earlier this year after professing a fear that the government would confiscate his guns, was a die-hard fan of Jones. Jones, who rants daily about Obama’s intentions to revoke the 2nd amendment, is also one of the loudest voices for the “birther movement.”

wow that's incredibly ignorant for them to suggest that particular piece of conversation is somehow a conspiracy theory.

[Freebird100]

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2009/07/louie_gohmert_obama.php

Anyone care to rip this guy a new one?

By Richard Connelly in Political Animals
Tuesday, Jul. 28 2009 @ 11:05AM
Gohmert_CPD_109_G000552.jpg
​Be proud, Lufkin: Your Congressman is a nut.

We're not talking even Ron Paul nuttiness; U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert has left even that far behind.

Gohmert appeared on the Alex Jones radio show last week. That sentence should be enough to prove nuttiness; Jones (a native Texan! He's appeared in Richard Linklater films!!) is the nation's premier uber-conservative conspiracy nut. (9/11 an inside job, Bill Clinton planned the Oklahoma City bombings, etc, ad nauseam.)

So going on the show is bad enough. But then Gohmert opened his mouth.

Obama's proposed health-insurance reform "is going to absolutely kill senior citizens," he said. "They'll put them on lists and force them to die early."

Yes, that's what a politician who has to get re-elected (not to mention the Congress that has to approve the plan) is proposing: Let's kill Grandma!! Then vote for me!!
Oh, and then there's the secret armies of the night:

    Jones: Can you speak to your website, how we help you. In closing, the youth brigades, national service compulsory in a group outside the military under the Democratic party control in the city year in the red and black uniforms? [...] In closing, and we're going to let you go sir, the youth brigades, national compulsory service, the Democrats have introduced those bills. Your take on that?

    Gohmert: Well you just referred to that point in history where this stuff has been done before. It was done in the 1930s and its not the only place its been done. It has been done throughout history.

    Jones: Mao did it.

    Gohmert: Well that's exactly what I was thinking of. This is the kind of the thing we got to stop. We got to get back to the roots, the basics.

[centexan]

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=60153

That's a clip to James Manning talking about NBC buying Fox News.  Not the clip I was looking for, but a good one.  In the clip I was looking for, Manning goes into more detail on how GE and NBC will make lots of money off the ObamaCare legislation.  This one does that too, after Manning's singsong opening.

The long-legged mack daddy.  lol

[sharpsteve]

Here you go!
The Ed Show
GOP soars to new heights in fear mongering
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32193898#32193898

[Dig]

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2009/07/louie_gohmert_obama.php

Anyone care to rip this guy a new one?

By Richard Connelly in Political Animals
Tuesday, Jul. 28 2009 @ 11:05AM
Gohmert_CPD_109_G000552.jpg
​Be proud, Lufkin: Your Congressman is a nut.

We're not talking even Ron Paul nuttiness; U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert has left even that far behind.

Gohmert appeared on the Alex Jones radio show last week. That sentence should be enough to prove nuttiness; Jones (a native Texan! He's appeared in Richard Linklater films!!) is the nation's premier uber-conservative conspiracy nut. (9/11 an inside job, Bill Clinton planned the Oklahoma City bombings, etc, ad nauseam.)

So going on the show is bad enough. But then Gohmert opened his mouth.

Obama's proposed health-insurance reform "is going to absolutely kill senior citizens," he said. "They'll put them on lists and force them to die early."

Yes, that's what a politician who has to get re-elected (not to mention the Congress that has to approve the plan) is proposing: Let's kill Grandma!! Then vote for me!!
Oh, and then there's the secret armies of the night:

    Jones: Can you speak to your website, how we help you. In closing, the youth brigades, national service compulsory in a group outside the military under the Democratic party control in the city year in the red and black uniforms? [...] In closing, and we're going to let you go sir, the youth brigades, national compulsory service, the Democrats have introduced those bills. Your take on that?

    Gohmert: Well you just referred to that point in history where this stuff has been done before. It was done in the 1930s and its not the only place its been done. It has been done throughout history.

    Jones: Mao did it.

    Gohmert: Well that's exactly what I was thinking of. This is the kind of the thing we got to stop. We got to get back to the roots, the basics.

It is official...

EVERYBODY LISTENS TO ALEX JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[heavyhebrew]

Jones is an uber-conservative guy? Oh yea, he criticized Clinton so off to the conservative bandwagon we a go.

Man, the guns have come out firing.

[Monkeypox]

Jones is an uber-conservative guy? Oh yea, he criticized Clinton so off to the conservative bandwagon we a go.

Man, the guns have come out firing.

Well if you don't like nObama you must be an uber-conservative right-wing conspiracy theorist racist gun-nut, right?

 

[adhitlerum]

Back in i guess March, that 911+1 thing started, but I thought going viral was limbaugh beck etc level?

[lavosslayer]

It is official...

EVERYBODY LISTENS TO ALEX JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's because they know he is speaking the truth and they want to know what they need to say to counter it! The more the truth is heard and then comes to pass, the more difficult it will be for them to counter! KEEP ON TURNING ON THE HEAT!!!

[heavyhebrew]

Well if you don't like nObama you must be an uber-conservative right-wing conspiracy theorist racist gun-nut, right?

 

Yet I support single payer health care, a strong non-interventionist policy, dead set against military adventurism and think capitalisms success is one of the worst things to happen to humanity.

But I do own firearms and support the death penalty. But you are right, since I can't support Obama, I must become Bucky Goldstein, Grand Wizard of the Kosher Knosher Klans of America. We gotta keep those schvartzes down!

*is this were we get to do the one arm salute thingy? And are you sure that a Jew burning a cross is not going to be interpreted the wrong way?*

[Irobot]

Here you go!
The Ed Show
GOP soars to new heights in fear mongering
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32193898#32193898

another copy of the clip
http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/ed-schultz-on-msnbc-just

[IridiumKEPfactor]

That's because they know he is speaking the truth and they want to know what they need to say to counter it! The more the truth is heard and then comes to pass, the more difficult it will be for them to counter! KEEP ON TURNING ON THE HEAT!!!

You are right.

In order to tell  and come up with good lies, you must know what the truth is.

[Satyagraha]

Can anyone publish the euthenasia clauses from the anti-healthcare bill?

Here are some of the provisions in the health care bill:

Obama Lied—The Economy Died
Joan Swirsky 
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13145

By Joan Swirsky  Friday, July 24, 2009

Excerpted:

As writer and author Larry Schweikart has chillingly documented, Obama’s monstrous “healthcare” Bill includes, among hundreds of other horrors:

Page 22: A mandate for the Government to audit the books of all employers that self insure.
Pg 30: A Government committee that will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
Pg 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!
Pg 50: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 58: Government will have real-time access to an individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts.
Pg 65: Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community organizations like ACORN.
PG 85: The Government will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 95: The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.
PG 85: Specifics of Benefit Levels for AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.
pg 124: No company can sue Government on price fixing and there can be no “judicial review” against Government Monopoly.
Pg 145: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.
Pg 126: Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149: ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8 percent tax on all payroll.
pg 150: Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k that don’t provide public option pay 2-6 percent tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5 percent of income.
Pg 170: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195: Officers & employees of the Healthcare Administration (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
PG 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241: Doctors—doesn’t matter what specialty—will all be paid the same.
PG 253: Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc.—literally, the value of humans.
PG 272: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Pg 317-318: Government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand.
Pg 354: Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 425: Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations for seniors… end-of-life prodding.
Pg 425: Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in how to die.
PG 429: “Advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!
PG 430: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services/Non-profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)
Pg 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

Why rationing? Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor of New York State, explains that the “$1 trillion to $1.6 trillion health bill, with new taxes and a $500 billion cut to Medicare, will come just as baby boomers turn 65 and increase Medicare enrollment by 30 percent. Less money and more patients will necessitate rationing.” It’s an “assault against seniors,” she says.
After reading the 1,018-page Obama-Pelosi-Reid Bill, orthopedic surgeon Dr. Dave Janda wrote, “it should be clear that the same warning notice must be placed on The ObamaCare Plan as on a pack of cigarettes: Consuming this product will be hazardous to your health.”

“if you are over 65.” Dr. Janda continues, “or have been recently diagnosed as having an advanced form of cardiac disease¬†or aggressive cancer.....dream on if you think you will get treated. Pick out your coffin. After each American turns 65 years of age they have to go to a mandated counseling program that is designed to end life sooner.”

THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY
As the Executive Director of Traditional Family Coalition, Andrea Lafferty said, “It took President Obama six months to pick a dog for the White House, but he wants Congress to pass a massive health care reform bill in two weeks! This is insane.”

But why the escalating opposition to Obama’s grand vision? Well, for one thing, Americans are a very smart people, notwithstanding an occasional lapse into a Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama. They “get” the scam of socialized medicine, they see people from Canada and France (in fact from all over the world) flocking to our shores for treatments that they can’t get in their “progressive” systems. And then there is the sticky reality of the non-partisan, putatively objective Congressional Budget Office, whose director Douglas Elmendorf said last week that the White House’s health-care proposals would result in a “net increase in the federal budget deficit of $239 billion” over 10 years.

Forthwith, Obama “invited” Mr. Elmendorf to the White House, clearly not for tea and crumpets! Can you just imagine the tongue-lashing this watchdog received, or the threats? It remains to be seen how objective Mr. Elmendorf remains in the coming days and weeks.

Historian Victor Davis Hanson puts it this way:

There is a growing collective recognition that things simply do not work the way Obama thinks they do. They may in the hothouse at Harvard Law School or in the charade of Chicago politics, or among young, hip bloggers right out of Yale, but not necessarily in the larger American landscape or the real world abroad.

The American people sense this. They assume that what goes up must come down… Americans are waking up to the fact that their president says, promises, and does things that simply do not make sense…

And as an article in Reuters stated about Obama’s stimulus package:

The economy is shaping up to be Barack Obama’s Katrina. The difference [between Pres. Bush’s Katrina and Obama’s], of course, is that Katrina afflicted a city and a few states, while the recession afflicts the whole country.”

ACCORDING TO PLAN
Vice President Joe Biden recently admitted that all the “experts” Americans entrusted with their money “misread how bad the economy was.” Leftists like Biden have only a one-solution strategy for the problems they create: throw more money at it! Sure enough, Congressman Steny Hoyer, the second-ranking Democrat in the House, suggested that a second “Stimulus” package may be coming!

But the dirty little secret liberals take great pains to conceal is that their massive spending and taxing is all part of the Left’s grand plan to bring big bad America to its knees, annihilate free-market capitalism, widely expand the role of government, and tax people into economic oblivion --all to fulfill their childlike, utopian goal (1) leveling the playing field to the lowest common denominator, and (2) exerting total control over the masses they consider so stupid.

In the last six months, they’ve seen the light of Socialism at the end of the democracy tunnel they’ve loathed for decades. But they’re not there yet! Americans have now caught on to the scammers and their thug tactics and are pushing back hard.

Note to Obama & Company: We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!

[Dig]

Here are some of the provisions in the health care bill:

what a surprise that they are trying to force a vote before recess.

Poor General Electric might not get their $100 Billion in windfalls.

awwwwwww, poor bablies

[Satyagraha]

what a surprise that they are trying to force a vote before recess.

Poor General Electric might not get their $100 Billion in windfalls.

awwwwwww, poor bablies

Let's all chip in and send them flowers.

[Jackson Holly]

Is this Pharma "Bailout" gonna be as big as the Banker "Bailout"?

[heavyhebrew]

Is this Pharma "Bailout" gonna be as big as the Banker "Bailout"?

Bigger because you have three industries trying to get an angle on the action. Pharma, Health Care AND Insurance.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Goldman Sachs somehow got involved by underwriting a lot of what it underwrites when the Insurance companies weigh peoples lives in the balance against the bottom line.

I am all for public health care. Just not this plan nor the plan put forward by Obama. Both have the sound of a giant shop-vac being turned on and the sight of myopic old men wringing their hands in gleeful anticipation of looting the Republic all over again.

[Dig]

Bigger because you have three industries trying to get an angle on the action. Pharma, Health Care AND Insurance.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Goldman Sachs somehow got involved by underwriting a lot of what it underwrites when the Insurance companies weigh peoples lives in the balance against the bottom line.

I am all for public health care. Just not this plan nor the plan put forward by Obama. Both have the sound of a giant shop-vac being turned on and the sight of myopic old men wringing their hands in gleeful anticipation of looting the Republic all over again.

YUP!!!!!!!!!!

It is a serious notch in the belt of the bankers that are trying so desperately to send us into hyper/hyper/hyper inflation!

[Jackson Holly]

Yeah, for sure the INSURANCE INDUSTRY = BANKING INDUSTRY.

This is the New World "Health" Order - the WHO 'recommendations' on steroids.

Their aim has always been to keep the 'workers' well enough, long enough to perform their slave labor to 'retirement' age ... that is per the actuarial tables ... but no longer.

Useless eaters do not apply.

The banking insurance industry works hand-in-hand with the insurance banking/mortgage industry to insure that most of us will die poor. The taxman will get any left-overs.

You work your fingers to the bone ... what do you get? Boney fingers!

[lavosslayer]

Yeah, for sure the INSURANCE INDUSTRY = BANKING INDUSTRY.

This is the New World "Health" Order - the WHO 'recommendations' on steroids.

Their aim has always been to keep the 'workers' well enough, long enough to perform their slave labor to 'retirement' age ... that is per the actuarial tables ... but no longer.

Useless eaters do not apply.

The banking insurance industry works hand-in-hand with the insurance banking/mortgage industry to insure that most of us will die poor. The taxman will get any left-overs.

You work your fingers to the bone ... what do you get? Boney fingers!

At least with bony fingers its easier to poke bad guys eye's out!!

[Jackson Holly]

Their aim has always been to keep the 'workers' well enough, long enough to perform their slave labor to 'retirement' age ... that is per the actuarial tables ... but no longer.

Useless eaters do not apply.

Ezekiel Emanuel: Death to Those With Dementia, as Useless Eaters

July 21, 2009 (LPAC)-- Ezekiel Emanuel, the top healthcare adviser at Obama's Budget Office and brother of his chief of staff, believes it is "obvious" that people with Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia (estimated as one of three people who live beyond the age of 65) should be denied health-care, since they are "irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens." An essay published in the Hastings Center Report (Nov-Dec 1996) by Emanuel, Norman Daniels and Bruce Jennings, says in part:

"This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity - those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberation - are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=2&subcatid=30&threadid=2724097

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Ezekiel Emanuel ... brother of Rahm Emanuel

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/02/dr_ezekiel_emanuel_rahms_broth.html

http://www.slu.edu/x26866.xml

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/07/26/ezekiel-emanuel-deny-coverage-to-elderly-and-disabled-for-the-greater-good.php

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[Dig]

Ezekiel Emanuel: Death to Those With Dementia, as Useless Eaters

July 21, 2009 (LPAC)-- Ezekiel Emanuel, the top healthcare adviser at Obama's Budget Office and brother of his chief of staff, believes it is "obvious" that people with Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia (estimated as one of three people who live beyond the age of 65) should be denied health-care, since they are "irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens." An essay published in the Hastings Center Report (Nov-Dec 1996) by Emanuel, Norman Daniels and Bruce Jennings, says in part:

"This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity - those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberation - are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=2&subcatid=30&threadid=2724097

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Ezekiel Emanuel ... brother of Rahm Emanuel

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/02/dr_ezekiel_emanuel_rahms_broth.html

http://www.slu.edu/x26866.xml

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/07/26/ezekiel-emanuel-deny-coverage-to-elderly-and-disabled-for-the-greater-good.php

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NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT JACKSON!

DAMN GOOD FIND!

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Obama advisor would ration medical care to seniors, young children, the demented
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-advisor-would-deny-medical-care-to-seniors-demented-51414342.html
By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
07/22/09 2:57 PM EDT

No wonder President Obama is in such a rush to get his health care reform package through Congress before the August recess. And before the public finds out about Ezekiel Emanuel, special advisor to Peter Orzag, Obama's director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and brother to White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

Emanuel has written in medical journals of how health care should be rationed, with priority given to younger people over seniors and over those suffering from dementia, according to John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). Ezekiel also believes that very young children should be lower on the priority list than younger people who have received public educations.

Goodman cites an article Ezekiel co-authored with two other men that appeared in the January 31, 2009, edition of the British medical journal, The Lancet. Goodman also cites a 1996 article by Ezekiel that appeared in The Hastings Report. In the latter, which was titled "Where civic republicanism and deliberative democracy meet," Ezekiel argued for limiting health care for “individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.”  He cited "not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” as an example.

Goodman offers additional analysis on his blog of Ezekiel's presence among Obama's health care advisors. Goodman notes that the health care reform legislation now being crafted in Congress includes a provision designed to ration the availability of MRI, CT and other advanced technology scans that often are critical to identifying dangerous diseases at a sufficiently early stage to enable life-extending treatment:

“An example of what can be done is actually in legislation being written on Capitol Hill. Buried somewhere in the 1,000 plus pages is a provision to severely limit what Medicare pays for CT and MRI scans performed in doctors' offices. This would force elderly patients, for example, to go to the hospital for their radiology — where there are often lengthy waits. Patients in rural areas who must travel long distances to get to hospital-based testing facilities may be discouraged from getting the tests done at all.”

“individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.”  Emanuel wrote, “An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

Goodman notes that the World Health Organization estimates that 25,000 cancer patients die in Britain annually as a result of such restrictions on medical scans.

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Please start a new thread with this info. Thanks

[TheHouseMan]

LISTEN UP, PEOPLE

I can tell you right now that this is not an MSNBC thing, and it is not a Fox thing. This is an actual press release, news-speak, guideline thing put out by the current establishment.

How do I guess this?

Because in every article written about it, they use the same examples. Those being, 9/11 was an inside job, Bill Clinton planned the Oklahoma bombings. This is one of those things where they advise the media on which issues to bring up, and they all do it like lapdog repeaters.

So this means that the Obama administration -- or some other establishment -- is now using the mainstream media to directly attack Alex Jones. This means we are winning!

[Jackson Holly]

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Excellent point HouseMan!

The media ... both "left" and "right" has morphed into one thing ... the Ministry of Truth ... and it is time for a Two Minute Hate against that lunatic terrorist Alex Jones.