WTC 7 'Solved'

[antoin]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7485331.stm

Give me a f**kin break!

[antoin]

9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
By Mike Rudin
BBC, Conspiracy Files

One of the Twin Towers collapses
One of the twin towers collapses

The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.

The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.

Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.

Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.

That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.
See World Trade Center 7's location and structure

The National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder, spoke to BBC Two's "The Conspiracy Files":

"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."

'Smoking gun'

However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.

   
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Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7
Timeline: WTC 7
The BBC and the 'missing' tape

The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.

"Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11. A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.

"Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."

Conspiracy theories

There are a number of facts that have encouraged conspiracy theories about Tower Seven.

    * Although its collapse potentially made architectural history, all of the thousands of tonnes of steel from the skyscraper were taken away to be melted down.
    * The third tower was occupied by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management, which would co-ordinate any response to a disaster or a terrorist attack.
    * The destruction of the third tower was never mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The first official inquiry into Tower Seven by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was unable to be definitive about what caused its collapse.
    * In May 2002 FEMA concluded that the building collapsed because intense fires had burned for hours, fed by thousands of gallons of diesel stored in the building. But it said this had "only a low probability of occurrence" and more work was needed.

But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.

The collapse of Tower 7

"We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."

With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.

"It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."

Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.

Steel structure weakened

It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.

Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.

They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.

Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.

The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.

Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.

[kushfiend]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW


they just don't stop trying to bullshit their way outta this!

GIVE IT UP YOU f**kBAGS!  YOU'RE CAUGHT! NO AMOUNT OF LIES WILL SAVE YOU!

Lol @ diesel fuel being the cause of WTC 7 plummeting into itself.

LOOK AT THE DIESEL FUEL GO HAHAHAHAHHAHA



To the untrained eye, or anyone who "dabbles" in physics, it might seem that THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS COLLAPSING AND CAVING INTO ITSELF but actually, it's just intense heat from the fire, melting the steel girdles....

I'll say it again.  WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

[chrisfromchi]

They missed the fact that the BBC reported that that building 7 had fell prior to it actually falling.

oh wait it is
The BBC and the 'missing' tape. (buried in the sidebar0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/07/controversy_conspiracies_iii.html

But Its nice to see some A/E911 stuff in the article.

[larsonstdoc]

Give me a f**kin break!

AGREED.  They do this all the time in Vegas.  It's called a controlled implosion caused by explosives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEuc3NYHX9M

[Dig]

THERMAL EXPANSION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7U22m9xLrQ

[larsonstdoc]

Most of the people still believe in thermal expansion--the KOOL-AID  and vaccines are still working.

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FzxcKoOVUg&feature=related


  I am sure this has been on the forum many times.

[chris jones]

In 2004 I was still working at sea. The guys got totgether at a smoke shack that had a Tv installed, a place to shoot the bull and have a coffe and smoke.
911 was the subject many a times.
A Russian on contract was in the shack with us one fine day. He had left Russia after working on high tech units on Subs. The guy was a genuis.
In front of all the guys he did not dispute in any way the planes causing the desruction.
I looked a this guy with a face that would stop a clock. He recongized my feelings, and though I said nothing I left the shack immediatly. My feeling were well known..
Shortly after he called  me aside and appoligized. He did not want to create a pergudise atmosphere on board being a Russian, but admitted it was an inside job and elaborated on highly developed explosive techniques.
One fact and one only clearly removes doubt, kerosene does not melt metal girders.

[Initiated]

You do realize that the BBC article you posted is over a year old, correct?

[antoin]

Well, the date I never noticed but in fairness, it is in the 'most read' section to the right of the web page!

[KiwiClare]

Well, the date I never noticed but in fairness, it is in the 'most read' section to the right of the web page!

It was ironic that it did not mention that Jane Stanley of  the BBC had reported that it had fallen 20+ minutes before it actually did - which was a BIG clue.

  It is very good that the BBC site includes a link to the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth website on its site.  All is not lost at the Ministry of Truth.

And thank-you for posting it even though it is not new.

[planet5]

There was an interesting show on cable last night. it is jesse venturas new "CONSPIRACY THEORY PROGRAM"

It delved into the whys of the 911 episode,and tried to show that the buildings were indeed taken down by military grade thermites which he suspected were either painted on beams or walls over a period of months or even years,and were ignited by the aircraft crashing and igniteing them.
he also pointed out that the FBI and cia were complicit in holding and hideing the black boxes of the aircraft,which would show complicity and a false flag operation.

here is my theory(and one day will be proven correct on it)

the aircraft which actually hit the two trade center buildings were "military aircraft" of another nation or groups of nations out of the NATO E.U consortium,haveing legitimate access to their own bases on our american soil.
If the black boxes were found and inspected by a real commision and independant,they would find they were transponders from military aircraft not from commercial flights #175 and #11. these flights reportedly(from good sources) did not even take off from the airports that day. if this info got out to the public it would show complicity in false flag operations by the 911 commission and suppression of evidence.
it might also show that there were no telephone messages sent from those flights as originally reported.
So where were the people on the flight lists from # 175 and #11 that fateful day...did they even exist? I feel they may have all been in meetings or the like in building #7 or in one of the trade center towers where the law enforcement agencies were located and held there or told not to leave and were thus killed deliberately to justify the flight passenger lists.

mr. ventura tried to show that there were actually terrorists in the cockpit of the two planes before a supposed take off and this was the reason the fbi was suppressing the black box evidence. this is rather weak disinformation and typical of a once bestowed government official like ventura whoo can only divulge part of the story and gather rateings at the same time.
the beams and the dust and the black boxes would indeed be the most damageing evidence to the 911 commision and the NWO government in which the un-usa is complicit with the bushes-cheneys and obama-hillary biden teams.

watch them try to take out obama and nancy pelosi to set up the new presidential bilderber capitol with joe biden and hillary(bill)clinton at its head in the near future.

sincerely,charles h buchanan 111

VERITAS LUX MEA,in his service
 

[fryingsquirrel]

It was ironic that it did not mention that Jane Stanley of  the BBC had reported that it had fallen 20+ minutes before it actually did - which was a BIG clue.

  It is very good that the BBC site includes a link to the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth website on its site.  All is not lost at the Ministry of Truth.

And thank-you for posting it even though it is not new.

So why did they tell the BBC ahead of time the building was going to collapse? Wouldn't it have been easier to wait for it to collapse and hope someone would report it?

[jeremystalked1]

So why did they tell the BBC ahead of time the building was going to collapse? Wouldn't it have been easier to wait for it to collapse and hope someone would report it?

Have you ever considered the possibility that someone, or some group of people, involved with the planning of 9/11 wanted it to be obvious that the thing was an inside job?

[911harleyguy]

if Barry Jennings was lying about WTC7 and William Rodriguez was lying about bombs in the basement, then they both deserve academy awards for best actor. They did not ask to be put in this most extreme situations. You can hear the passion and conviction in their voices. Somethings you just can't "make up". I believe them 100%. When people doubt them it is frustrating and is disrespectful. How is it that Barry Jennings was stepping on bodies? How is it that the lobby was destroyed?

Having said that. Osama Bin Laden did not hate building 7. Building 7's collapse started with the penthouse. Why do  I constantly repeat this? Because the penthouse was not on fire. The lower floors should have caved, if at all, or somewhere in the middle or the building could have tilted like the Tower of Pisa. So once again, sporadic fires on a few floors do not cause a building of newer construction, ala 1985, to collapse, falling debris did not destroy the lobby... How was a core column blown out to enhance freefall? When you consider every interlocked beam, truss, girder, piece of rebar, cement and rivet... THIS BUILDING NEVER SHOULD HAVE FAILED IN THE MANNER IT DID. How did the PD and NY and FEMA know it was coming down. What happened between 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. ? How do you pull it in 6 hours?

Something doesn't add up. Larry Silverstein said when he said pull it, he meant his finger... and then he cashed a 7 BILLION dollar check on a 150 MILLION dollar bet. Osama Bin Laden did not get a 7 Billion dollar check. Any detective investigating a crime wants to know... WHO BENEFITED. Yes, the terrorists did commit these acts, but I really sense there is so much more that has not been exposed... YET.

[9/11-insider trading]

7 world trade had the SEC offices where the fires burned. You are correct, it was not in Bin Laden’s interest to see those floors burn all afternoon and collapse afterwards, as many of his real enemies had an untold amount of incriminating evidence against them shredded rather nicely if I say so myself.

They also say the 13 floor collapsed leading to the entire buildings collapse, but again that area housed the SEC and was deliberately set ablaze.

I can find a more glaring clue on the kind of damage used to take tower 7 down.

http://greyleonard.com/du/wtc7gash.jpg

According to Lucky Larry the antenna from the north tower did it.

[H0llyw00d]

all horse poop, including this bull poop on how BBC explains the announcement of WT7 falling down before it did:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."

[9/11-insider trading]

So it was all just fire?

[H0llyw00d]

So it was all just fire?

Yup...w/ a countdown to ignition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgAJ4sKUp8ghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgAJ4sKUp8g