Hot:CNN Obama No Proof of U.S. Citizenship

[TimeLady]

Not really as obama own website proved that he wasn't natural born that is now removed of course.

OBAMA's biological father was Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan native, and a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s offspring

This is the United States, not Great Britain. British laws do not apply to the United States.

[zeke105]

lol, great comments 

[Monkeypox]

This is the United States, not Great Britain. British laws do not apply to the United States.

You're really trying to counter any argument, aren't you?

Why?

[Monkeypox]

I examined a forensic exam of his live birth doc somewhere on the internetz. It's a fake.

I read the same thing.  It was very detailed.

[nofakenews]

This is the United States, not Great Britain. British laws do not apply to the United States.

Wrong cause you have to go back to law before that changed and yes it has an affect.

[nofakenews]

Pretty much seems that the birth certificate is valid, as there are other people in Hawaii who have birth certificates like that and the State of Hawaii considers them to be valid for whatever.

Now, as to whether or not Obama has the best interests of the American people in mind? I think it's obvious by now.

Yes obama did travel to Pakistan in 1981 and did he use a U.S Passport? NO WAY cause under the law we were not allowed so that would mean?

He gave up citizenship rights some where along the way or obama wasn't born here so take your pick.

[TimeLady]

Yes obama did travel to Pakistan in 1981 and did he use a U.S Passport? NO WAY cause under the law we were not allowed so that would mean?

He gave up citizenship rights some where along the way or obama wasn't born here so take your pick.

There actually was no travel ban in 1981. There was a travel ADVISORY, but not a ban.

[luckee1]

Certification of Live Birth is different than a Birth Certificate.  Why would he sign an Executive Order prohibiting the release of these documents?

The Daddy's Birth Certificate quells any dispute.

[nofakenews]

There actually was no travel ban in 1981. There was a travel ADVISORY, but not a ban.

Yeah but still either way under the law his dad makes obama not able to be president.

[luckee1]

There actually was no travel ban in 1981. There was a travel ADVISORY, but not a ban.

I believe there was a travel ban during that time to many arab nations.  Remember the Iran Hostage situation?

Edit:  I am wrong on that here is a list of banned areas for US passports, printed in 2003

http://digital.library.unt.edu/govdocs/crs/permalink/meta-crs-7716:1

[TimeLady]

Yeah but still either way under the law his dad makes obama not able to be president.

Again, British law is not US law. British law is only US law if it is codified in an international treaty (which it sort of says in the Constitution), and the US State Department considers anyone born of at least one US citizen on US soil a US citizen.

[nofakenews]

Again, British law is not US law. British law is only US law if it is codified in an international treaty (which it sort of says in the Constitution), and the US State Department considers anyone born of at least one US citizen on US soil a US citizen.

Right but not a natural born citizen....

[TimeLady]

Right but not a natural born citizen....

No, as he was born on US soil that would make him natural born.

[EchelonMonitor]

I even heard a black GCN host saying anyone who talks about this is a rascist.

There are a lot of great black Americans who have shared in the black experience as descendents of slaves and would have made a great president.

Sad that blacks have been tricked again by the white establishment which has served up someone who will be obedient to them and who is only half American and only has slave owners and slave traders in his family tree, but no slaves.

Where are the black leaders in his cabinet?  You don't have to go further than his chief of staff, an Israeli army veteran and the son of an Israeli terrorist, to see who is pulling the strings.

[luckee1]

Again, British law is not US law. British law is only US law if it is codified in an international treaty (which it sort of says in the Constitution), and the US State Department considers anyone born of at least one US citizen on US soil a US citizen.

uh ah ah.....

Not if they are already subject to British citizenship.  What they are considering and what is Law, is entirely different.  

Look I used to think the same way you do.  Until I read the constitution again and the Amendments again. Anyone who has taken titleship of the monarchy, is not allowed to hold office.  

[nofakenews]

No, as he was born on US soil that would make him natural born.

What is a Natural Born Citizen?
By Leo Donofrio

Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”. Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

That’s it right there. (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “natural born Citizens”, so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

The Framers distinguished between “natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn’t consider themselves to have been “natural born Citizens” due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a “natural born Citizen” of the United States.
Barack Obama’s official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:
FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.

My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship “at birth” and therefore split loyalties “at birth”, he is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States. A “natural born citizen” would have no other jurisdiction over him “at birth” other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words “natural born” and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, “natural born citizen”, pertains to the status of the person’s citizenship “at birth”.

The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, “at birth”, a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional “natural born citizen” status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen “at birth”.

Obama has admitted to being a British subject “at birth”. And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction “at birth” bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States.

As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer “natural born citizen” status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a “Citizen”, and only if he is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

The most overlooked words in that section are: “…or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…” You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.

Stop and think about that.

The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and “natural born citizens” who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen… at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.

And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States “at birth”. It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject “at birth”. If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=359


Leo Donofrio is also correct about McCain not being a Natural Born Citizen. McCain was born in Panama. So the 14th Amendment would not apply for Citizenship since he was not born in the U.S. (U.S. military bases is not American soil) He was made a U.S. citizen by statue...Finally the Socialist party candidate was born in Nicaragua...He was on 9 state ballots. This election was fraudulent if you apply the U.S. Constitution. Three Presidential Candidates were ineligible. The U.S Supreme Court is the guardian of the Constitution & should invalidate this fraduant election & instruct Congress to hold a new one. As a nation we have survived many adversities…Why…The Rule of Law…Not the Rule of the mob.

[TimeLady]

uh ah ah.....

Not if they are already subject to British citizenship.  What they are considering and what is Law, is entirely different. 

Look I used to think the same way you do.  Until I read the constitution again and the Amendments again. Anyone who has taken titleship of the monarchy, is not allowed to hold office. 

OK, when did Barack Obama take British citizenship? Because I'm pretty sure he never took the status of being a British subject (which, according to Wikipedia is somewhat murky) or Kenyan citizenship (honestly, when did he ever live in Kenya?)

And if Barack Obama was a US citizen, born on US soil, that would make him a natural born citizen.

Don't you understand that this is only a side issue? While everyone is squabbling about small stuff like this, the hammer WILL fall!

[EchelonMonitor]

No, as he was born on US soil that would make him natural born.

There is no evidence he was born on US soil.

No hospital proclaims itself as the proud birthplace of President Obama.

No doctor or his descendents claims to have been the one who delivered him.

PRESIDENTIAL BIRTH PLACES

Jimmy Carter, Wise Hospital, Plains, GA (The first president born in a hospital)

George H. W. Bush: 173 Adams Street, Milton Hill, MA

Bill Clinton: Julia Chester Hospital, Hope, AR

George W. Bush: Grace-New Haven Community Hospital, New Haven, CT

Barrack Hussein Obama: STATE SECRET

[luckee1]

There is no evidence he was born on US soil.

No hospital proclaims itself as the proud birthplace of President Obama.

No doctor or his descendents claims to have been the one who delivered him.

PRESIDENTIAL BIRTH PLACES

Jimmy Carter, Wise Hospital, Plains, GA (The first president born in a hospital)

George H. W. Bush: 173 Adams Street, Milton Hill, MA

Bill Clinton: Julia Chester Hospital, Hope, AR

George W. Bush: Grace-New Haven Community Hospital, New Haven, CT

Barrack Hussein Obama: STATE SECRET

WIN!!!!

[Monkeypox]

There is no evidence he was born on US soil.

No hospital proclaims itself as the proud birthplace of President Obama.

No doctor or his descendents claims to have been the one who delivered him.

PRESIDENTIAL BIRTH PLACES

Jimmy Carter, Wise Hospital, Plains, GA (The first president born in a hospital)

George H. W. Bush: 173 Adams Street, Milton Hill, MA

Bill Clinton: Julia Chester Hospital, Hope, AR

George W. Bush: Grace-New Haven Community Hospital, New Haven, CT

Barrack Hussein Obama: STATE SECRET

QFT +100

[joeblack]

today july 22 on cnn during the 3pm show, they were on there talking about the birth certificate and holding it up showing the proof obama was born here.  they  laughed and called all the people that believes his was born else where, 911 was an inside job, we didn't walk on the moon, and the jfk lone gunman... all "nutjobs" and then laughed some more. we are all nut jobs and they said because all this is all in a sense is stupid, he president shouldnt address this issue and ignore these nut jobs all together. they also want to say people can't take it that a black man won and is the leader and we don't like his policies. it blew my mind.  

[TimeLady]

Actually, he was born at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Simple to find out with a bit of Googling.

[luckee1]

OK, when did Barack Obama take British citizenship? Because I'm pretty sure he never took the status of being a British subject (which, according to Wikipedia is somewhat murky) or Kenyan citizenship (honestly, when did he ever live in Kenya?)When he inhaled his first breath

And if Barack Obama was a US citizen, born on US soil, that would make him a natural born citizen. Key word if.  he never was a U.S. citizen

Don't you understand that this is only a side issue? While everyone is squabbling about small stuff like this, the hammer WILL fall!

The Hammer has already fallen.  By  allowing him to stay there, is permitting this violation.  We are already the laughingstock of the world who already knows he is Kenyan

[luckee1]

Actually, he was born at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Simple to find out with a bit of Googling.

Are you a shill or a troll?

[TimeLady]

The Hammer has already fallen.  By  allowing him to stay there, is permitting this violation.  We are already the laughingstock of the world who already knows he is Kenyan

He already was a US citizen from the moment of birth. In Hawaii.

When did he live in Kenya?

[EchelonMonitor]

Actually, he was born at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Simple to find out with a bit of Googling.

Stop drinking the Obama Kool Aid.  The hospital makes no claim of that.  The fact that someone wrote it on the internet does not make it a fact.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

IMPORTANT! OBAMA PRESIDENCY IS BETA TEST FOR SCHWARZENEGGER PRESIDENCY!

So ya all just figured that one out.

Welcome aboard!

Like Regan before him, no one in Cali likes the muscle bound NAZI.

Another crappy president waiting in the wings.  BRAVO!

[deconstructmyhouse]

  The fact that someone wrote it on the internet does not make it a fact.

wait you just wrote that on the internet, and that's a fact
lol

[egypt]

He already was a US citizen from the moment of birth. In Hawaii.

When did he live in Kenya?

He was not born in Hawaii.
His Hawaiian birth certificate is valid. I'm sure his Hawaiian birth certificate it is what was used to obtain his United States passport?

His birth certificate is not the issue.  Being a "natural born citizen" is.  He was born in Kenya per family members, there in Kenya, on videotape, saying so. They point out the hospital he was born in.  Also.  His parents' divorce papers show he was born in Kenya.

Being born in Kenya, whether he has a valid Hawaiian birth certifcate, or not, does not meet the criteria of the President having to be "a natural born citizen" which means being born on American Soil.

[Sub-X]

Do you know something,it really doesn't matter,as if a little piece of paper is going to make any difference in stopping the overlords He is the new face of the already sinking ship,he takes his orders from the higher ups.

American Citizen,Kenyan Citizen,hes still going to f**k up the country royally and that piece of paper is going to mean shite.

Hey I always had my doubts about Bushes citizenship to the planet,and a much more important piece of paper didn't make much difference to him,so certainly a birth cert. certainly isn't.  

[Wanted]

Is he a citizen now?

[Monkeypox]

today july 22 on cnn during the 3pm show, they were on there talking about the birth certificate and holding it up showing the proof obama was born here.  they  laughed and called all the people that believes his was born else where, 911 was an inside job, we didn't walk on the moon, and the jfk lone gunman... all "nutjobs" and then laughed some more. we are all nut jobs and they said because all this is all in a sense is stupid, he president shouldnt address this issue and ignore these nut jobs all together. they also want to say people can't take it that a black man won and is the leader and we don't like his policies. it blew my mind.  

Will they still be laughing when the destruction of the United States has been completed, and 100% of our wealth has been transferred out of the country?

Yeah, a "black man", what a joke.  He has 10% African blood, if that.

He is more accurately "mixed race".

[Monkeypox]

IMPORTANT! OBAMA PRESIDENCY IS BETA TEST FOR SCHWARZENEGGER PRESIDENCY!

So ya all just figured that one out.

Welcome aboard!

Like Regan before him, no one in Cali likes the muscle bound NAZI.

Another crappy president waiting in the wings.  BRAVO!

After nObama has completely mucked things up (by design), Ahnold will be presented to The Sheeple as a savior.

[EchelonMonitor]

Is he a citizen now?

That's actually a good question, because he may actually be an illegal immigrant if he obtained Indonesian citizenship, which would be documented in his student records if he obtained financial aid as a foreign student, which may be why his student records are also being kept secret, along with his medical records.

But the principle question is whether he is a natural born citizen, which he would not be if he was born in Kenya because his mother was too young at 17 to have lived in the US 3 years after her 15th birthday, a requirement in order to be able to pass on natural born citizenship status to your offspring, so he could be a citizen, but not a natural born citizen as the constitution requires for the presidency.

[Ghost in the Machine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4woUTI6RFU

[JesusItrustinYou]

It's about time!  Finally it hits mainstream.  That town hall mtg was great.  The whole audience was cheering for that woman.  Hold onto your seats guys.   This might be a wild ride!

[Ghost in the Machine]

its about to get ugly soon with a elite false flag...

[JesusItrustinYou]

I think this is part of the plan.  Out of chaos, order.

[egypt]

My goodness.  It isn't even about his meeting Presidential criteria in being a natural born citizen = born on American Soil.  But whether he's an American Citizen at all?  wow!

Why the Lying?  Why the Deceit?  Why the Secrecy?

I don't like people who are liars and deceivers who treat me as though I'm nothing, and do not deserve to know.

Lying is not ok.  Deceiving is not ok.  Pretending, secrecy & hiding are not ok.  It is not ok to break laws, either.

Obama worshippers would have him at any cost? Why?  Do they want Socialist Union of Amerikka, death camps and all?  I have still not heard one bit of ~what~ "Hope" nor ~what~ "Change."  Well, all one has to do is watch The Obama Deception to be shown what is really going on.  And, it isn't about "Obama."

The duping, the lack of values, the breaking of our laws, criminally stealing money out of the US Treasury & "giving" it to other countries has got to stop.

[Anti_Illuminati]

I think this is part of the plan.  Out of chaos, order.

"I hope that this is the phoenix that rises from the terrible rubble in New York and Washington."
-John J. Hamre