Hot:CNN Obama No Proof of U.S. Citizenship

[rosso]

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

    British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC via Kenya.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

    1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

    2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963. So The Rocky Mountain News was at least partially correct.

But it was failed to be noted that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.  

* Hence Barack was born on American soil to an American mother. I don't even like the guy, but the facts don't support the argument that he is not a citizen.

[egypt]

What facts?  There is legal action with facts presented that a judge is willing to see -- shortly.

I guess we'll all know then, because a judge should be able to discern facts.  Hopefully he won't be bought off.

Even CNN is saying that a certificate of "Live Birth" is not a birth certificate.  This is what is presented as his birth certificate.  And, it is pronounced "live" with a long "i"  like in the word "alive."   Not "live" as in "I live in that house"

[rosso]

Birth Certificate is the family's official record of birth. Certificate of Live Birth is the hospital's official medical record of birth. 

OOOOHHHHH nice word play..... You failed to mention that he was born in Kenya and is not a natural born citizen of the USA.

What word play???

The evidence doesn't support your claim, and if you truly believe I am wrong here - I'm open to you showing me proof of Obama being born in Kenya.

Which by the way if it were true, would still qualify him as a U.S. citizen with his mother being a U.S. citizen AND Kenya not allowing dual citizenship after the age of 21.

[TimeLady]

Just because Kenya law says that He is not a citizen of Kenya does not mean that He is an American just because of His Mother. It sounds like He is a man without a country, which means that He can lead no one.

No, under American law that would mean he was a citizen of the USA, because his mother was a US citizen.

[Waltraut]

"Excuse me?   Angry

Why don't you call up Alex and tell him the same, since he als questions the truth about nObama's birth?"
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well you know what the largest problem with this site and Alex's show is? Half the 'paranoids' here are worried about all the wrong things and prioritize the wrong issues. There are so many examples, especially this birth certificate thing, where people are diverting all their energy into diversionary and insignificant problems or threats. This takes away from a long list of extremely important and imminent economic issues, or very well-sourced cases of bad actions by our intelligence agencies/finance industry/unnecessary military ventures and so forth. Given the relatively small fraction of our society that tries to become informed about politics, spending your time on bullshit wild goose chases is sort of tragic

By the way - Alex does quite a bit of this as well. Someone should take a score card and mark down the daily issue where he's waving his arms about imminent harm (*now*, *tomorrow*, *next week*), and then should check off after 4-5 months how many of these things turned out to be the huge problem in retrospect. It's kind of like needing to drink 10 cups of coffee in order to get a constant caffeine buzz going.

For example... most or many of us perfectly forecasted how the Iraq situation would go, and where the housing bubble/credit bubbles would turn out. Many people at work or online kept arguing with me that housing would continue to magically go up. We were right, and it wasn't even that hard to figure out. So society underestimated the risk and fallout of that problem. But Jones often doesn't keep his 30+ hotbutton issues appropriately ranked and presents them equivalently.

[TimeLady]

No I like mine better.

But that's not true. Under American law he really is a US citizen, because A. he didn't give it up and B. he never became a Kenyan citizen because of C. he never gave up his US citizenship and swore allegiance to Kenya.

[rosso]

Just because Kenya law says that He is not a citizen of Kenya does not mean that He is an American just because of His Mother. It sounds like He is a man without a country, which means that He can lead no one.

Then wouldn't that make him a U.S. citizen by default via his mothers citizenship... ?

[Wanted]

"Excuse me?   Angry

Why don't you call up Alex and tell him the same, since he als questions the truth about nObama's birth?"
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well you know what the largest problem with this site and Alex's show is? Half the 'paranoids' here are worried about all the wrong things and prioritize the wrong issues. There are so many examples, especially this birth certificate thing, where people are diverting all their energy into diversionary and insignificant problems or threats. This takes away from a long list of extremely important and imminent economic issues, or very well-sourced cases of bad actions by our intelligence agencies/finance industry/unnecessary military ventures and so forth. Given the relatively small fraction of our society that tries to become informed about politics, spending your time on bullshit wild goose chases is sort of tragic

By the way - Alex does quite a bit of this as well. Someone should take a score card and mark down the daily issue where he's waving his arms about imminent harm (*now*, *tomorrow*, *next week*), and then should check off after 4-5 months how many of these things turned out to be the huge problem in retrospect. It's kind of like needing to drink 10 cups of coffee in order to get a constant caffeine buzz going.

For example... most or many of us perfectly forecasted how the Iraq situation would go, and where the housing bubble/credit bubbles would turn out. Many people at work or online kept arguing with me that housing would continue to magically go up. We were right, and it wasn't even that hard to figure out. So society underestimated the risk and fallout of that problem. But Jones often doesn't keep his 30+ hotbutton issues appropriately ranked and presents them equivalently.

bawwwwwwwwwwhhhh

[Waltraut]

okay. So, Alex Jones has sometimes stated how many radio and online listeners they have. Does anyone remember the number? It was pretty high. Infowars also gets lots of hits.

Yet, with all these aware listeners, what has the audience ever been able to accomplish in terms of activism in the real world. Don't you think that people could organize to channel everyone's to actually solve problems that we're worried about and aware of? I can't think of many examples at all. One of the biggest flaws of Jones' show is that he ends up being antiactivist.  Every time there is a big demonstration such as the thousands of people who went outside the DNC in Denver, he goes into paranoid mode about agent provocateurs and false flags, or finds other ways to criticize concrete efforts. Couldn't he at least suggest other things people could do, other than writing a letter to your representative which will be tossed in the trash? Indeed, on air, he has said that they're monitoring him so closely that if he were to suggest any action... it would immediately be twisted so that it looked like he was advocating violence.
  The name Infowars and Infowarriors comes from a notion that he or we just have to fight to enlighten everyone. Oh yeah... as soon as everyone is enlightened, society will suddenly function as was laid out in the constitution? I don't think so. The peasants under the king's in Europe tended to understand that they were poor and exploited too. Aware people sitting at home with their bugout supplies are not making change.

[rosso]

why do you guys keep sticking to this birth certificate issue?

Do you think a country that has a CIA that can knock off foreign leaders and probably (very likely) killed Kennedy as H Howard Hunt told the story, an NSA that can split the fiber optic line at the telecommunications nodes so that it has a backup copy of all your email, that can dominate the global economic world... could not figure out how to create a forged copy of a birth certificate and stick it in the file in Hawaii... if they wanted to cover for his really being born in Kenya (despite all their family photos of him in Hawaii as a toddler). I mean, hello

Per that line of argument, I must have been born on Bob-Lo Island (although I definitely was not) as we have lots of photo's of me there as a toddler. People only take vacations to where they were born? Hello?

  The name Infowars and Infowarriors comes from a notion that he or we just have to fight to enlighten everyone.

That part I am in total agreement with.

[aerborne]

Which by the way if it were true, would still qualify him as a U.S. citizen with his mother being a U.S. citizen AND Kenya not allowing dual citizenship after the age of 21.

that doesn't necessarily mean he meets the natural born requirement for running for president. Mccain had this same issue being born in panama. If he was born in kenya and moved to the US with an immigrant father and an american mother then he more then likely WOULDN'T be a US citizen at all and we'ld have an illegal immigrant as president.

If you give birth in a foreign country but are a resident of the US then, as I do (born in the UK on american military base), you'd have 3 birth certificates. One from the country of birth, one from the US where you were a resident, and a 3rd that's a cirtificate of birth abroad.

Obama needs all 3 to verify his citizenship by birth.

[rosso]

that doesn't necessarily mean he meets the natural born requirement for running for president. Mccain had this same issue being born in panama. If he was born in kenya and moved to the US with an immigrant father and an american mother then he more then likely WOULDN'T be a US citizen at all and we'ld have an illegal immigrant as president.
If you give birth in a foreign country but are a resident of the US then, as I do (born in the UK on american military base), you'd have 3 birth certificates. One from the country of birth, one from the US where you were a resident, and a 3rd that's a cirtificate of birth abroad.
Obama needs all 3 to verify his citizenship by birth.

  Thank you for answering and pointing out to me where I went wrong. I got focused on the citizenship issue and not the actual soil he was born on.

See how debates work Waltraut?

[Dig]

wait, this puppet was not born in hawaii?!?!

[Qx]

Then wouldn't that make him a U.S. citizen by default via his mothers citizenship... ?

No, for the mother to confer citizenship she would (according to the law at the time) have to have lived in the US for at least 10 years, 5 of which after the age of 14. Since Obama's mother was 18 at the time of his birth she could not pass automatic citizenship to him.

The "Kenyan citizenship through his father" angle is unnecessary and possibly a deliberate red herring to be debunked and discredit the whole citizenship issue.

Obama must provide evidence of his birth on US soil - that is the vault copy long version birth certificate with the names of attending physicians etc. The document posted on Obama's website - the CLB - is not sufficient even for official purposes in Hawaii, this is because Hawaii routinely issued these documents for individuals born outside Hawaii in 1961, the year of Obama's birth. Also, up until 1972 Hawaii would issue a CLB on the basis of uncorroborated testimony by a single family member even up to 1 year after the child's birth.

Obama must also provide evidence that he did not acquire Indonesian citizenship through his adoption by Mr Soetero, since there is evidence that such citizenship was acquired at that time. This would disqualify him from the presidency since any Indonesian citizenship, under the rules at the time, would have required him to be subsequently naturalized as a US citizen.

So Obama has a way to go to even demonstrate US citizenship. Forget about natural born - Obama is most likely not a citizen at all - and again, the British father red herring is not necessary to demonstrate this.

[Monkeypox]

It's always interesting to see the Obamanoids come out of the closet whenever this issue comes up, isn't it?

[Dig]

wait, this puppet was not born in hawaii?!?!

can someone answer this question?

not born in hawaii, not a natural citizen.

has it been admitted that he was not born in hawaii?

[egypt]

yes.  It is way too cool!  I never expected it!

Office of President  = a Position, not a Person.
As such, I look at Performance, not Personality.

I am sorry he is not legally-qualified to hold the position.  I feel sorry for people who worship a personality instead of paying attention to what that person is accomplishing or not accomplishing.

Hey -- I wanted "Hope & Change" too -- the good, right kind that I don't care if it comes from a purple reptillian.  Obama sure looks a lot better than McCain and his wife, Michelle speaks like a dream.  I love to listen to her speak, just not "what" she says.  His kids are cute and he got a puppy dog, too.

It's always interesting to see the Obamanoids come out of the closet whenever this issue comes up, isn't it?

[Qx]

can someone answer this question?

not born in hawaii, not a natural citizen.

has it been admitted that he was not born in hawaii?

Not admitted, in fact Obama is spending $$millions defending the lawsuits - which is strange when he could simply produce his proper birth certificate and answer the Indonesian question, and all this would go away...must be a crackpot conspiracy theory though..and definitely racist!

[egypt]

Don't forget the new "Presidential Order" to not show his birth certificate!

[Dig]

Not admitted, in fact Obama is spending $$millions defending the lawsuits - which is strange when he could simply produce his proper birth certificate and answer the Indonesian question, and all this would go away...must be a crackpot conspiracy theory though..and definitely racist!

everything else is bs, not born in hawaii, not natural citizen.

that factcheck thingy is horseshit

btw cheney uses factcheck to justify insane military spending.

the organization is a controlled oposition to misinform the public. the onion has more truth

[jofortruth]

Obama’s Birth Certificate

    * This could have been their plan all along. Remember, nothing is by chance in politics.

Bobby Kennedy in 1968 Predicts African American President in 40 yrs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_5kNqeTLIs

[Dig]

Bobby Kennedy in 1968 Predicts African American President in 40 yrs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_5kNqeTLIs

I am sorry, but Bobby was 500x more black than Barack Obama. Shit, Bush has more soul than Barack.

Interesting tidbit though

[luckee1]

everything else is bs, not born in hawaii, not natural citizen.

that factcheck thingy is horseshit

btw cheney uses factcheck to justify insane military spending.

the organization is a controlled oposition to misinform the public. the onion has more truth

Thus spoketh Sane!   

[rosso]

can someone answer this question?
not born in hawaii, not a natural citizen.
has it been admitted that he was not born in hawaii?

That's what I asked too -

The evidence doesn't support your claim, and if you truly believe I am wrong here - I'm open to you showing me proof of Obama being born in Kenya.

everything else is bs, not born in hawaii, not natural citizen.

that factcheck thingy is horseshit

btw cheney uses factcheck to justify insane military spending.

FactCheck itself may be dubious, but the article itself came from The Rocky Mountain News newspaper, who have a reputation for ethical reporting. They've won Pulitzer and Margolin prizes for their articles and are actually no longer in circulation as of early this year. I give them credit for bowing out, rather than allowing a corporation to buy them and force a slanted view down their throats.

[egypt]

The proof will come up shortly.  I cannot believe that people would put it before a judge (who, btw is willing to look at the case) without proof.

[rosso]

No, for the mother to confer citizenship she would (according to the law at the time) have to have lived in the US for at least 10 years, 5 of which after the age of 14. Since Obama's mother was 18 at the time of his birth she could not pass automatic citizenship to him.

So are you telling me Obama's mother was not born in the U.S.? Am I mistaken in believing she was born in the midwest?

[deconstructmyhouse]

Obama was born in Gepetto's workshop
jeez people, I thought everyone knew that

[egypt]

Does seem his nose is getting longer & longer!

[Qx]

So are you telling me Obama's mother was not born in the U.S.? Am I mistaken in believing she was born in the midwest?

You need to re-read that..it's not about her citizenship but her ability to confer citizenship upon any offspring.

Also, the factcheck stuff is a load of crap because it is attempting to debunk an unnecessary red herring - unnecessary because Obama has failed to provide evidence of being a natural born citizen, and even if he did then there's the Indonesian question which would also disqualify him.

[rosso]

Obama was born in Gepetto's workshop
jeez people, I thought everyone knew that

lol 

[rosso]

You need to re-read that..it's not about her citizenship but her ability to confer citizenship upon any offspring.

Also, the factcheck stuff is a load of crap because it is attempting to debunk an unnecessary red herring - unnecessary because Obama has failed to provide evidence of being a natural born citizen, and even if he did then there's the Indonesian question which would also disqualify him.

So am I wrong in thinking that as a citizen herself, she automatically confers her citizenship to her children?

Also, the factcheck stuff - as I said before factcheck is dubious yes. I only referenced the article via factcheck because it was originally a Rocky Mountain Newspaper article explaining UK/Kenyan citizenship (because The Rocky Mountain Newspaper is gone, so no archives to dig through there).

[egypt]

An American Citizen is created by anyone when their child is born in America -- on American Soil.  This is a "Natural Born Citizen."  This is the only definition of a "Natural Born Citizen."

Citizenship can be obtained other ways.  Citizenship is obtainable for a child, when two Americans are abroad traveling or in military service, for instance, and their child is born in another Country.  There are other ways to become an American Citizen, too.

Please note:  The Constitution lays out the requirements in age, citizenry and the like for the federal governmental offices.  I believe the President has to be at least 35 years old, for instance.

Another criteria laid out for the President is to be a:  Natural Born Citizen.

We should look up these requirements for Congressmen, Senators & President.  I am not sure -- but, I do believe the President is the only one who has to be a Natural Born Citizen of America.

Believe me, Conan won't qualify there, either.

[rosso]

An American Citizen is created by anyone when their child is born in America -- on American Soil.  This is a "Natural Born Citizen."  This is the only definition of a "Natural Born Citizen."

Citizenship can be obtained other ways.  Citizenship is obtainable for a child, when two Americans are abroad traveling or in military service, for instance, and their child is born in another Country.  There are other ways to become an American Citizen, too.

Please note:  The Constitution lays out the requirements in age, citizenry and the like for the federal governmental offices.  I believe the President has to be at least 35 years old, for instance.

Another criteria laid out for the President is to be a:  Natural Born Citizen.

We should look up these requirements for Congressmen, Senators & President.  I am not sure -- but, I do believe the President is the only one who has to be a Natural Born Citizen of America.

Believe me, Conan won't qualify there, either.

Right, so if my child was born in another country and my husband was not American, does my being an American citizen not give my child citizenship?

[thadividedsky]

hmmmm, 5 pages and not a mention of the fact Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and changed his name to Barry Soetoro. I have a question. If I adopt a child from Portugal, does that child retain their Portuguese citizenship while picking up American citizenship? Or does the child forfeit their Portuguese citizenship and take the American citizenship? Also there is no proof that Obama legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama. Why is everyone ignoring this important part of the subject?

Edit: 4 pages, my bad. got ahead of the thread. lol

[Qx]

So am I wrong in thinking that as a citizen herself, she automatically confers her citizenship to her children?

Yes  you  are  wrong. The  rules  are  as  I  stated.

[Qx]

hmmmm, 5 pages and not a mention of the fact Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and changed his name to Barry Soetoro. I have a question. If I adopt a child from Portugal, does that child retain their Portuguese citizenship while picking up American citizenship? Or does the child forfeit their Portuguese citizenship and take the American citizenship? Also there is no proof that Obama legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama. Why is everyone ignoring this important part of the subject?

Edit: 4 pages, my bad. got ahead of the thread. lol

...and you obviously haven't read them because I've highlighted the Indonesian facet of this issue twice.

[Ghost in the Machine]

Obama is Rockefeller's son some say...

[egypt]

Watch the Video: 

[egypt]

Sorry.  Here's the video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdBVN7azPs8

The attorney presenting the case to the court speaks about it.  She did point out as well that Obama lacks any respect for the Citizens of America in pulling off this sham.  She says we are the laughing-stock of the rest of the world that he could pull this off.

He is not the only one, however, who needs to be held accountable.  Whose job in the Democratic Party, was it, to make sure he was qualified before he ran in the Primary Election?

Not only that.  I do not believe that "bailouts" are good for America.  In fact, "bailouts" are traitorously destroying America.  Several Presidents of late have not held up their Oath of Office.

Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

In fact, the Constitution is being dismantled as quickly as it possibly can, with no regard to what is contained in it.  This is being done through Legislation being ramrodded through Congress under threat of Martial Law and the Congress not even being able to read the Bills before they are passed.

If you don't see something seriously wrong about the Hope & Change we are getting, wake up -- fast.  Your very Life and the Lives of those you Love, depend upon it.

[chris jones]

Obama could have been born on Pluto, put in balance what the regimes have gotten away with, both contitutionaly and moraly.

We are being dictated to. Thats it, the power and their playmates do not give one twit about the citizens of this  nation or it origins and moral priciples as defined by our Const. and Bill of Rights.