China blames Muslim Uighurs for riot - Death toll in Xinjiang rises to 140 [Potentially thousands]

[UKStewart82]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/06/content_11661325.htm

Death toll in Xinjiang riot rises to 140, still climbing

  URUMQI, July 6 (Xinhua) -- The death toll has risen to 140 following Sunday night's riot in Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, the regional government said Monday.

    Fifty-seven dead bodies were retrieved from Urumqi's streets and lanes, while all the others were confirmed dead at hospitals, said Liu Yaohua, the region's police chief, at a press conference midday Monday.

    He said the death toll would still be climbing.

    At least 828 people were injured in the deadly violence that erupted Sunday night.

    Rioters burned 261 motor vehicles, including 190 buses, at least 10 taxis and two police cars, said Liu.

    As of 9 am, several vehicles were still seen ablaze on Urumqi's streets he said.

    A preliminary investigation showed 203 shops and 14 homes were destroyed in the riot.

    Police have arrested several hundred in connection with the riot, including at least a dozen who were suspected of fanning the unrest, Liu said.

    He said police are still searching for about 90 other key suspects in the city. "Police have tightened security in downtown Urumqi streets and at key institutions such as power and natural gas companies and TV stations to prevent large-scale riots."

    Checkpoints have been set up in Urumqi's key areas as well the neighboring Changji and Turpan prefectures to prevent the rioters from fleeing, Liu said.

    He said more than 100 ethnic officials from adjacent areas have been transferred to Urumqi for interrogating the suspects according to law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/05/muslim-minority-riots-eru_n_225978.html

China state media says 140 killed in riots in west



URUMQI, China — Violence in the capital of China's volatile Xinjiang region killed 140 people and injured 828, an official said Monday, following rioting by members of a Muslim ethnic group and a police crackdown on their demonstrations.

The official toll makes the unrest the deadliest single incident of unrest in Xinjiang in recent decades.

The violence in Urumqi apparently happened after a peaceful protest Sunday of about 1,000 to 3,000 people spun out of control, with rioters overturning barricades, attacking vehicles and houses, and clashing with police.

Uigher exile groups said the violence started only after police began violently cracking down on the peaceful protest.

Wu Nong, director of the news office of the Xinjiang provincial government, said more than 260 vehicles were attacked or set on fire and 203 houses were damaged. He said 140 people were killed and 828 injured in the violence.

The official Xinhua News Agency also said 140 people died and that the death toll "was still climbing."

Tensions between Uighurs and the majority Han Chinese are never far from the surface in Xinjiang, China's vast Central Asian buffer province, where militant Uighurs have waged sporadic, violent separatist campaign. The overwhelming majority of Urumqi's 2.3 million people are Han Chinese.

State television aired footage that showed protesters attacking and kicking people on the ground. Other people sat dazed with blood pouring down their faces.

Mobile phone service provided by at least one company was cut Monday to stop people from organizing further action in Xinjiang.

The protest started Sunday with demonstrators demanding a probe into a fight between Uighurs and Han Chinese workers at a southern China factory last month. Accounts differed over what happened next in Urumqi, but the violence seemed to have started when a crowd of protesters _ who started out peaceful _ refused to disperse.

Uigher exile groups said the violence started when Chinese security forces cracked down on the peaceful protest.

"We are extremely saddened by the heavy-handed use of force by the Chinese security forces against the peaceful demonstrators," said Alim Seytoff, vice president of the Washington-based Uyghur American Association.

"We ask the international community to condemn China's killing of innocent Uihgurs. This is a very dark day in the history of the Uighur people," he said.

The association, led by a former businesswoman now living in America, Rebiya Kadeer, estimated that 1,000 to 3,000 people took part in the protest.

[canandy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIa7vJfmWFk

[UKStewart82]

Good find Canandy.  Damn, video always puts it in more perspective!

[Doctor No NWO]

China blames Muslim Uighurs for riot
Monday, July 06, 2009 » 05:22pm

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Hundreds of people have been arrested over riots in China's Xinjiang region, according to state media.

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Hundreds of people have been arrested over riots in China's restive Xinjiang region, state media says, as the official death toll from the violence reached 140.

'Police have arrested several hundred participants, including more than 10 key figures who fanned the unrest on Sunday,' Xinhua news agency said on Sunday, citing the Xinjiang Public Security Department.

Police were still searching for around 90 other people in Urumqi - the capital of Xinjiang - where the riots occurred, according to Xinhua.

Earlier, China blamed Muslim Uighurs armed with knives and batons for the riots, as heavy security was imposed across the city.

Dramatic footage of Sunday's unrest broadcast by the state-run CCTV network showed men turning over a police car and smashing its windows, a woman being kicked as she lay on the ground, and buses and other vehicles aflame.

Authorities said heavy security had been rolled out across Urumqi, and a police spokesman there told AFP that the situation on Monday was calm.

'All (police) units and individuals shall voluntarily help maintain social order,' an Urumqi government notice said, according to Xinhua.

'People who violate the notice will be detained and punished by police.'

A witness, a Han Chinese bar owner in the city centre where the riots took place and who refused to be named, told AFP there were around 3,000 Uighur protesters, some of whom were armed with wooden batons and knives.

She said the rioters broke cars, smashed windows and tried to set some buses on fire.

'All shop owners in the street were very scared,' she told AFP, adding order had now been restored.

The Xinjiang government blamed Rebiya Kadeer, the Uighurs' leader who is living in exile in the United States, for orchestrating the unrest.

'An initial investigation showed the violence was masterminded by the separatist World Uighur Congress led by Rebiya Kadeer,' the government said in a statement, according to Xinhua.

'The violence is a pre-empted, organised violent crime. It is instigated and directed from abroad, and carried out by outlaws in the country.'

However, Uighur exiles, who have long chafed at Chinese rule in Xinjiang, accused Chinese security forces of overreacting in quelling peaceful protests by thousands of people, and said police had fired indiscriminately.

The unrest echoes deadly violence in Buddhist Tibet in March last year when Tibetans stormed through the streets of the region's capital, Lhasa, attacking Han Chinese in frustration at what they claimed was repressive Chinese rule.

Many of Xinjiang's roughly eight million Uighurs similarly say they have suffered political, cultural and religious persecution.

As in Tibet, they also complain about Han Chinese moving into Xinjiang and dominating economic and political life.

Alim Seytoff, general secretary of the Uighur American Association, said in Washington that Uighur students were seeking the arrest of suspects behind an ethnically charged brawl late last month at a factory in southern China that left two Uighurs dead.

'These young Uighurs peacefully took to the streets but more than 1,000 armed Chinese police came out,' Seytoff said.

'What we were told is that they began to shoot indiscriminately.'

Kadeer also blamed Chinese authorities in a statement released by the Uighur American Association.

'This incident could have been avoided if the Chinese authorities had properly investigated the Shaoguan killings,' Kadeer said, referring to the factory brawl.

'Young Uighurs exercised their right to peacefully protest the mishandling of the killings and were in turn met with government violence.'

Xinjiang is a rugged region of vast deserts and mountains that borders central Asia, and the Uighurs are a Turkic-speaking people who have closer cultural links to their regional neighbours than the Han Chinese.

This year marks 60 years since communist Chinese troops entered Xinjiang and 'peacefully liberated' the region. Advocates of independence for the area have maintained the move was an invasion.


 

[TBH]

http://www.cfr.org/publication/4765/chinas_war_on_terror.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FI17Ad04.html
Excerpt from the Second Article

Uighur groups who were opposed to China's control were fragmented and lacked a charismatic leader to increase the appeal for their cause in Western countries, while the Han Chinese largely settled in the northeastern area of Xinjiang, away from the heartland of the Uighur population. The situation was largely unchanged, if not stable, until the 1990s.

In late 1990, 22 people were killed in a small uprising in Baren, a town near Kashgar, led by Abdul Kasim, a leader of the Free Turkestan Movement. Beijing claimed that the weapons were supplied by Afghan mujahideen, and its reaction was swift and harsh.

After the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Central Asian republics formed independent states; the Uighur separatists within Xinjiang drew inspiration from their neighbors' independence. Militant Uighur groups exploited the weak, central governments of the newly formed states and Xinjiang's porous border with Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan to establish training camps outside of China's reach.

China's move toward regional dominance
By 1996, Russia was prosecuting its second war with Chechnya, Tajikistan was still suffering from its civil war and the Uzbek government of Islam Karimov was dealing with Islamic fundamentalists seeking to establish an Islamic government in Uzbekistan. China feared that this instability would spread to Xinjiang, and Beijing launched a series of new crackdowns and a controversial "strike hard" campaign to reestablish order; 1,700 suspected "terrorists" were arrested.

In April 1996, China sought to engage its western neighbors by creating the "Shanghai Five" - comprising China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan - to serve as a bulwark against Islamic fundamentalist subversion. Soon the signatory states began cooperating in an effort to end the "three evil forces" - terrorism, separatism and extremism.

China's new aggression was answered with a backlash from the Uighur separatists: in May 1996, a high-ranking official to the Xinjiang People's Political Consultative Conference was assassinated and a number of bombings on China's railroad lines were linked to Uighur groups. When Afghanistan fell to the Taliban in September 1996, some Uighur groups fought on the side of the Taliban. China charged the Taliban and al-Qaeda with funding, arming and training Uighurs within Afghanistan. This was followed by more attacks within Xinjiang against Chinese interests. By late 1998, China feared that violence in Xinjiang was spiraling out of control, and Beijing moved to increase its regional influence in Central Asia.

Washington and other Western powers viewed China's claims that Uighur groups were tied to international terrorist organizations as propaganda and an excuse to persecute political dissidents.

[TBH]

It really seems like there is an effort to destabilize this region, probably in order to create a separate Uighur State to weaken China.  It remains to be seen whether this event is related however this article makes it pretty clear that there is a link between a uighur separatist terrorist group, The East Turkistan Islamic Movement, and al-qaeda/OBL. 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2272846/posts
"For example, in the CSRT summary of evidence memo prepared for Hozaifa Parhat, who was also transferred to Bermuda, the U.S. government alleged:

    The training camp was provided to the Uighurs by the Taliban.

    East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM) operated facilities in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan in which Uighur expatriates underwent small-arms training. These camps were funded by Bin Laden and the Taliban.

The memo prepared for Parhat's tribunal can also be found on the New York Times's web site." (link to that memo in article)

[mym]

Hello,

There is almost always a link between rioters and the US isn't there.

Notice it was a peaceful protest first then the beating started and of course, they must put blame on whoever or WHATEVER they can to gain something for their hidden agendas as always.

Let's see:  al qaida, islamists, islamic terrorists, etc. etc. etc.   always to let others know the bad is there for them to get away with more killing, murdering and torturing or whatever suits them.  Always a front then the secret incognizant blow.

I have often witnessed that when there is a political happening that needs to be covered up, hidden, or swept away, a major incident happens abroad to distract attention from the main issues.  It is either this or they begin to spread false propaganda on the news for everyone to get concerned with then wham they do what they set out to do while everyone is distracted.

Like now, the District Court Judge is reviewing the torture cases that the CIA have been requested to hand over, so naturally, you will find something in the midst of the issue.  Is just too screwy how things always get sidetracked into other things.


anyone else notice this as well?


mym

[phasma]

There has been increasing tensions and resistance by the Uighur `s of northeast china, since the up-rising by the tibetans just prior to the olympics.
The Han chinese population have lived there now since they were sent there by Mao in the 1940`s - at the same time as they invaded and took over Tibet. The Tibetans put up more a struggle at the time as they were better organised in terms of community and religion, at that time the Uighurs did not. It is the younger populations that are now resisting, and perhaps rightly so , as the "Han" populations have more "rights" than the local population.
Mao`s answer to populations that were not wanted  - or were difficlut to control; dilute them over time by sending more and more of the right kind of people there, and know that over time these will become so entwined in that locale, that seperating chinese (and therefore china) from what was there before becomes impossible ! This is the root cause of all the problems today. Tibet is the same. There is so many police in Lhasa that the place is on martial shutdown permanently (although the police are not all obvious, and they are often in disguise) the local people know they have to be careful what they say and who they speak to and westerners are watched carefully and constantly and may only stay in friendship (LOL!) hotels ! The Uighur region is not so popular with tourists, apart from the area you enter if you cross from Nepal, therefore the clamp down has not been so obvious, or so well reported. The army has no doubt been sent there, but given the distances it has taken time to get there, hence the seemingly sudden escalation.

[nofakenews]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHLjutMZNHY

At least 140 people have been killed in rioting in China’s northwestern region of Xinjiang, with the government blaming exiled separatists for the Muslim area’s worst case of unrest in years.

Hundreds of rioters have been arrested, the official Xinhua news agency reported, after rock-throwing Uighur people took to the streets of the regional capital on Sunday, some burning and smashing vehicles and confronting ranks of anti-riot police.

The unrest underscores the volatile ethnic tensions that have accompanied China’s growing economic and political stake in its western frontiers.

Along with Tibet, Xinjiang is one of the most politically sensitive regions in China, and in both cases the government has sought to maintain its grip by controlling religious and cultural life while also vowing economic growth and prosperity.

But analysts said the fresh trouble in the remote resource-rich region was unlikely to have a major impact on China’s economy.

“In terms of China’s domestic economy, it is in a remote place and it does not have a big impact on things generally unless there is some evidence, of which there is none, that the government is in some meaningful way losing control,” said Arthur Kroeber, Managing Director of Dragonomics, a research and advisory firm in Beijing.

Beijing’s image as a global power, though, may take a hit as it cracks down on the rioters, say analysts.

“Unfortunately … this will bring a negative impact on China’s image as a responsible power. Coercion alone will not solve the problem. If you use coercion alone it will worsen the problem,” said Zheng Yongnian, director of the East Asian Institute at the National University of Singapore.

Signaling a security crackdown in the strategic region near Pakistan and central Asia, a senior Chinese government official said the unrest was the work of extremist forces abroad.

“This was a crime of violence that was pre-meditated and organized,” Xinhua quoted the unnamed official as saying.

He blamed the violence on the World Uyghur Congress led by Rebiya Kadeer, a Uighur businesswoman now in exile in the United States after years in jail, and accused of separatist activities. She did not answer calls for comment.

But exiled Uighur groups adamantly rejected the Chinese government claim of a plot. They said the riot was an outpouring of pent-up anger over government policies and Han Chinese dominance of economic opportunities.

China’s markets largely brushed off the riots, with the benchmark Shanghai Composite index ending up 1.2 percent at a 13-month closing high, bucking a generally weaker trend in the rest of Asia.

“This is regional unrest only,” said Zheshang Securities analyst Zhang Yanbing
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5650SW20090706

[Joe(WI)]

Any bets the CIA had something to do with this? Near the Pak border. Hmmm.

Policy of encirclement anyone? I forgot which guest said so, Corsi? Hersc? Tarpley, sounds right.

[Satyagraha]

Dramatic footage broadcast by the state-run CCTV network showed men turning over a
police car and smashing its windows, a woman being kicked as she lay on the ground,
and buses and other vehicles aflame. —Reuters


At least 140 dead in ethnic Chinese riots: state media
Monday, 06 Jul, 2009 | 01:19 PM PST
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/07-at-least-140-dead-in-ethnic-chinese-riots-state-media-ha-04

URUMQI: China said on Monday at least 140 people were killed in rioting by Muslim Uighurs in its restive Xinjiang region in the deadliest ethnic unrest reported in the country for decades.

The violence in the regional capital Urumqi on Sunday involved thousands of people, and the official Xinhua news agency said the death toll was likely to rise.

More than 800 other people were injured in the rampage, it added.

‘Death toll in Xinjiang riot rises to 140, still climbing,’ Xinhua reported in its latest dispatch, after initially saying only three had died.

The news agency, citing local government officials, said ‘several hundred’ people had already been arrested for involvement in the violence.

Dramatic footage broadcast by the state-run CCTV network showed men turning over a police car and smashing its windows, a woman being kicked as she lay on the ground, and buses and other vehicles aflame.

‘All shop owners in the street are very scared,’ one Han Chinese bar owner told AFP, asking not to be named.

She estimated there were around 3,000 Uighur protesters, some of whom were armed with wooden batons and knives.

The Xinjiang regional government blamed Rebiya Kadeer, the Uighurs’ leader who is living in exile in the United States, for orchestrating the unrest.

‘An initial investigation showed the violence was masterminded by the separatist World Uighur Congress led by Rebiya Kadeer,’ the government said in a statement, according to Xinhua.

However Uighur exiles, who have long chafed at Chinese rule in Xinjiang, accused Chinese security forces of over-reacting in quelling peaceful protests by thousands of people, and said police had fired indiscriminately.

Riot police and other security forces armed with machine guns and carrying shields were seen in Urumqi on Monday, preventing further protests, according to an AFP reporter here.

Truckloads of German Shepherd police dogs were also brought into Urumqi and large swathes of the Muslim quarter of the city were sealed off, the reporter said.

‘The Uighurs attacked motorists with rocks,’ said a Chinese woman who saw the riots unfold from the 11th floor of a local hospital.

‘They just attacked the Han people,’ she said. ‘At least 10 buses were set on fire and some private cars were overturned. I saw many people were lying on the ground and bleeding. A male student was dead.’

The unrest echoed deadly violence in Buddhist Tibet in March last year when Tibetans stormed through the streets of the region’s capital, Lhasa, attacking Han Chinese in frustration at what they claimed was repressive Chinese rule.

Many of Xinjiang’s roughly eight million Uighurs similarly say they have suffered political, cultural and religious persecution.

As in Tibet, they also complain about Han Chinese moving into Xinjiang and dominating economic and political life.

Alim Seytoff, general secretary of the Uighur American Association, laid the blame for the violence on Chinese authorities.

Seytoff said Uighur students were seeking the arrest of suspects behind an ethnically charged brawl late last month at a factory in southern China that left two Uighurs dead.

‘These young Uighurs peacefully took to the streets but more than 1,000 armed Chinese police came out,’ Seytoff told AFP in Washington.

‘What we were told is that they began to shoot indiscriminately.’

Xinjiang is a rugged region of vast deserts and mountains that borders central Asia, and the Uighurs are a Turkic-speaking people who have closer cultural links to their regional neighbours than the Han Chinese.

This year marks 60 years since communist Chinese troops entered Xinjiang and ‘peacefully liberated’ the region. Advocates of independence for the area have maintained the move was an invasion.

A resident in Kashgar, Xinjiang’s famed Old Silk Road city that has also seen deadly ethnic tensions recently, told AFP by phone that extra police had been deployed on the streets there following the Urumqi violence.

‘The security police and armed police started patrolling last night with guns,’ said the resident in central Kashgar, who declined to be named.

[Dig]

Any bets the CIA had something to do with this? Near the Pak border. Hmmm.

Policy of encirclement anyone? I forgot which guest said so, Corsi? Hersc? Tarpley, sounds right.

sorry dude, unless it is some dali llama bullshit, the Nick Rockefeller cyberterror false flag agreement means that CIA cannot start Honduran type coups in the red state.


the people are treated like slaves and they are getting pissed off.

[phasma]

sorry dude, unless it is some dali llama bullshit, the Nick Rockefeller cyberterror false flag agreement means that CIA cannot start Honduran type coups in the red state.


the people are treated like slaves and they are getting pissed off.

The Uighurs are not budhist - they are all muslim !

[mr anderson]

Looks like the Taliban are to be exported there to stir up the Chinese.

Xinjiang region..

[mym]

Hello,

Signaling a security crackdown in the strategic region near Pakistan and central Asia, a senior Chinese government official said the unrest was the work of extremist forces abroad.

“This was a crime of violence that was pre-meditated and organized,” Xinhua quoted the unnamed official as saying.

He blamed the violence on the World Uyghur Congress led by Rebiya Kadeer, a Uighur businesswoman now in exile in the United States after years in jail, and accused of separatist activities. She did not answer calls for comment.

But exiled Uighur groups adamantly rejected the Chinese government claim of a plot. They said the riot was an outpouring of pent-up anger over government policies and Han Chinese dominance of economic opportunities.

right....and proof of this please??? sheesh they will try to blame anyone or should I say any Muslim group...they already denied it full up so hmmmmm I wonder who is behind this uprising yet again eh?
 (Joe)

Any bets the CIA had something to do with this? Near the Pak border. Hmmm.
Policy of encirclement anyone? I forgot which guest said so, Corsi? Hersc? Tarpley, sounds right.

  sounds good to me lol

fyi-The Uighur Muslims are near about 5 million and are of the lesser group of around 35 million that are in China.  If they remain out of the "political arena" then they are allowed to practice freely their religion.  If they defy this law, then they will be prosecuted like when many were executed due to the fact they protested because of their mosques were not built with permits.  This happened in the 90's.  The government has taken many schools, books, and mosques and have oppressed these people and many are unemployed.


(I wouldn't put off protesting but when they police come in and start the anger with beating and torture, then sheesh what do they expect!  Especially from being an oppressed people)


mym

 

[TBH]

Looks like the Taliban are to be exported there to stir up the Chinese.

Xinjiang region..

Check out my post in the other thread on the riots, members of the terrorist group called the East Turkistan Islamic Movement trained in Afghanistan with the mujahideen in the early 1990s.  I don't really think this particular group is in any way connected to the riots however I think it is definitely relevant to the situation. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aywFx799hi04
I have no idea whats to blame for this rioting though.   

[jesqueal]

I have no idea whats to blame for this rioting though.   

Suppression by the Han, same as Tibet

[phasma]

Suppression by the Han, same as Tibet

I had a thought on this today.
The Uighurs are all muslims. They are being oppressed. Could this be a provoked uprising to entice the good old bogeyman "AQ" or the taliban (etc) to go cause chaos? Maybe in Beijing?
That might force China to get with the program ? Or could be used for other purposes :S

What do we think?

[TBH]

Suppression by the Han, same as Tibet

True, and it does seem like China is trying to blame the victim.

I had a thought on this today.
The Uighurs are all muslims. They are being oppressed. Could this be a provoked uprising to entice the good old bogeyman "AQ" or the taliban (etc) to go cause chaos? Maybe in Beijing?
That might force China to get with the program ? Or could be used for other purposes :S

What do we think?

Seems very probable to me.  This recent turn of events would probably stir up the radical groups in the region such as the Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement. 

[phasma]

And china is not so far from the "stan " states.

[mr anderson]

I believe they're pitting the Uighurs & Han against each other and in the future provocateur a terrorist attack. The attack will be blamed on a militant Muslim cell linked to Al-Qaeda & Taliban.

You only need to hear the word "linked" and you've got people brainwashed.

[Satyagraha]

China: Rioters Behind Killings In Urumqi Will Be Executed
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/china-rioters-behind-kill_n_227558.html

URUMQI, China — Hundreds of helmeted troops in riot gear swarmed the central square of the capital of western Xinjiang on Wednesday after ethnic riots left at least 156 dead. The city's Communist Party boss promised those behind the killings would be executed.

Ethnic clashes have paralyzed Urumqi over the past several days _ with minority Uighur and Han Chinese mobs roaming the streets and attacking each other. The violence forced President Hu Jintao to cut short a trip to Italy where he was take part in a Group of Eight summit _ an unprecedented move by a Chinese leader.

The government further responded Wednesday to the violence by pouring columns of troops into the far-flung province, hundreds of which were stationed in People's Square in the middle of the city.

Communist Party chief Li Zhi told a televised news conference that many people had been arrested, including students.

"To those who committed crimes with cruel means, we will execute them," he said, adding government forces would crack down on any security risk. He did not give details.

More than 1,100 people were wounded in the violence, and hundreds of vehicles were damaged or set on fire in the riots on Sunday. It was not known how many Uiqhurs (pronounced WEE-gers) and Han Chinese died or who was behind their deaths.

Li would not say how many of the 156 dead were Han _ the majority ethnicity in China _ and how many were Uiqhurs _ a largely Muslim minority _ even though more than 100 of them have been identified and handed over to their families.

He said both groups were responsible for the violence. "The small groups of the violent people have already been caught by police. The situation is now under control."

[mym]

Hello,


Phasma

The Uighurs are all muslims. They are being oppressed. Could this be a provoked uprising to entice the good old bogeyman "AQ" or the taliban (etc) to go cause chaos? Maybe in Beijing?
That might force China to get with the program ? Or could be used for other purposes :S

What do we think?

You will find almost always the same "reasons" for attacks, terrorism, civil wars, and wars---the famous "Al Qaida" seems to appear as their "MAIN" blame then onto bin laden, Islamists, etc.   This is their "MAIN" tool they use to brainwash people and to scare them into submission.  They use forceful speech, hidden conspiracies, and secret plots to undermine, intimidate and harm their enemies.

One can never tell what their hidden agenda entails.  But one thing for sure, this whole ordeal with China is/was instigated on purpose.  There isn't any other reason as far as I see it.  China has a major population of Muslims that have not carried on or threatened anyone  and since they occupy parts of China, you will always have a reason for the Elite, reason for attacks, other reasons for blame, shame, and false accusations towards Muslims.  They are the weak as is, and now, they will be oppressed, ridiculed and ostracized on account of this whole mess.

Is so easy to read now between the false propaganda.


mym

[jesqueal]

There are many who are well-placed to come out and say there is an al qaeda connection, but instead say the opposite...for instance this ladyhttp://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/07/20097725217198672.html
She is the UN & Bush 'spokeswoman' for the Uighur affair and claims that Chinese intelligence fabricated the al queda connection for propaganda

[cathiasus]

Hmmm, so who killed those 140 peeps, muslims with knives and batons or police? I can't seem to pinpoint the cause of their deaths.

[mym]

Hmmm, so who killed those 140 peeps, muslims with knives and batons or police? I can't seem to pinpoint the cause of their deaths.

and you will never probably...not if "they" can help it.

The China police execute on command just like our military carries out orders, well, they do as well but no one blames them so they carry on.  Now, well, people are pointing blame but still nothing will be done.

[phasma]

News have said there is some kinda cufew, the chinese way to deal with unrest - go home or be ran over by a tank !

[Mike Philbin]

I blog'd about this this morning, and yeah you don't know who murdered who or why

http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/07/china-xinjiang-urumuqi-deadly-riot.html

it's just a case of showing what 150 dead people in the streets looks like - VIEWER DISCRETION is advised with this never-before-seen-footage.

I still want Obama to release those thousands of CHILD RAPE images from Iraq so we can really see what his 'boys' are doing out in some foreign land. Remember, before My Lae wars were thought to be a 'just' and 'honourable' way to piss away TAX PAYERS' money.

[mym]

oh yeah My Lai Massacre   (Vietnam)

all innocents must die to keep the money rolling in for the wars that should be their motto - "Scores for Wars"   

[mym]

omg Mike that video...those poor people...the man off the bicycle!  This is sickening...well, it to me is obvious who the culprits are...the dead don't have weapons. (unless someone took them but doesn't appear so)

man and people actually think that killing like this is ok???--agh sick people in governments and forces !

[phasma]

omg Mike that video...those poor people...the man off the bicycle!  This is sickening...well, it to me is obvious who the culprits are...the dead don't have weapons. (unless someone took them but doesn't appear so)

man and people actually think that killing like this is ok???--agh sick people in governments and forces !

two words

Tiananman square !

History shows how the CCP works.

[Brocke]

Thousands may have died in China violence

Agence France-Presse
July 11, 2009 03:23am

THE leader of the exiled Uighur community from China's northwestern Xinjiang region says thousands may have died in violence in recent days.
Rebiya Kadeer, the Washington-based head of the World Uighur Congress, says it is difficult to come up with a comprehensive toll from the region, where the native Uighur ethnic group has long complained of repression.

"According to unconfirmed reports we get on the ground, now the number is up to 1000 or some say 3000," Ms Kadeer told a news conference at the US Capitol.

She said the deaths occurred not only in Xinjiang's capital, Urumqi, but also across the vast region, saying there had been "mob killings in different cities such as Kashgar".

Ms Kadeer, who spent about six years in a Chinese prison before being released under US pressure in 2005, estimated that another 5000 people had been imprisoned.

Chinese state media said 184 people were killed in Urumqi, as Uighurs attacked people from China's dominant Han ethnic group on Sunday.

But Ms Kadeer said security forces over-reacted to peaceful protests and used deadly force.

Beijing has accused exiles of exaggerating the death toll and fomenting the violence, charges Ms Kadeer denies.

"I'm against all violence. I have not done this and I will not do such a thing," she said.

Ms Kadeer appeared alongside two members of Congress who introduced a resolution that would condemn China for its "violent repression" of "peaceful Uighur protests".

The resolution also calls on China to end its "slander" of Ms Kadeer. Chinese authorities accuse her of masterminding the violence and of ties to "terrorists" among Uighurs, who are largely Muslim.

"I believe that statement by the Chinese government reveals more about the Chinese government than anything about Mrs Kadeer," said Congressman Bill Delahunt, a member of President Barack Obama's Democratic Party.

"This it just offensive and repugnant," he said. "We are calling on the Chinese government to desist in slandering this woman who has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize on three separate occasions."

"I think what it demonstrates is the desperation of this particular regime in terms of dealing with what clearly is becoming a public relations disaster," he said.

Ms Kadeer, the mother of 11, was once a department store magnate said to be the richest woman in China and hailed by Beijing as a model for the Uighur minority.

But she ran afoul of the authorities as she complained about the treatment of the Uighurs. In 1999, she was arrested as she tried to meet a delegation of US congressional researchers and spent six years in prison.

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Tensions high in riot-hit Urumqi


Hundreds of Uighur woman protested at what they said was the arbitrary arrest of relatives [EPA]

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Ethnic unrest is escalating in China's western Xinjiang region, where police have clashed with a large group of armed ethnic Han Chinese trying to reach a Uighur neighbourhood in the city of Urumqi.

The clashes come two days after deadly rioting in the city left at least 156 people dead and hundreds injured in the worst outbreak of ethnic violence seen in China in years.

With tensions high, groups of Uighurs and Han Chinese took to the streets in at least four neighbourhoods of the Xinjiang capital on Tuesday.

Police used tear gas in an effort to disperse the crowds and keep the rival groups apart.

Al Jazeera's correspondent Melissa Chan, reporting from Urumqi, said one group of Han Chinese, some armed with sticks, shovels and knives, were trying to break through police lines to reach a Uighur area of the city.
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Describing a volatile situation in the city, she said some groups of Han Chinese were searching cars looking for anyone they thought to be Uighur.

Some of the Han protesters were singing China's national anthem and pledging to defend their country.

Other reports have quoted Han Chinese vowing to take revenge on Uighurs they blamed for Sunday's unrest.

"They attacked us. Now it's our turn to attack them," one man in the crowd told Reuters.

Authorities later announced that they would impose a curfew for Tuesday night (1300GMT) until early Wednesday morning in the capital of the region, Xinhua, China's state news agency reported.

The curfew is aimed at "avoiding further chaos" amid the unrest, Xinhua quoted a government official as saying.

Uighur groups say China's repressive policies combined with years of mass migration to Xinjiang by Han Chinese, China's largest ethnic group, have stoked ethnic tensions in Xinjiang, sowing the seeds for Sunday's violence.

Women protest

Earlier hundreds of ethnic Uighurs, many of them women, clashed with police as they protested against the arrest of relatives in the crackdown that followed Sunday's unrest.
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Many waved the identity cards of husbands, brothers or sons they said had been arbitrarily detained.

"My husband was taken away yesterday by police. They didn't say why. They just took him away," one woman who identified herself as Maliya told Reuters.

Several objects were thrown and fighting broke out when Uighur protesters advanced towards lines of anti-riot police carrying clubs and shields.

The latest clashes came as a group of foreign reporters, including Al Jazeera's correspondent, were being taken on a tour of the city to see the aftermath of Sunday's riots.

Chinese police are reported to have arrested more than 1,400 people in a crackdown that Wang Lequan, the head of the Chinese Communist party in Xinjiang, said was intended to quell the unrest, although he warned "this struggle is far from over".

Wang called for officials to launch "a struggle against separatism".

Lockdown

The worst unrest in Xinjiang for many years has led authorities to impose a security lockdown on much of the region.

Government forces are out in force in the violence-hit Xinjiang region [AFP]

Hundreds of paramilitary police with rifles, clubs and shields have been deployed on the streets of Urumqi and a night-time curfew was imposed on Monday.


Local residents also reported that internet and mobile phone connections in Urumqi were down or restricted.

According to Chinese state media, Sunday's clashes erupted after a demonstration against the government's handling of an industrial dispute turned violent.

Reports also suggested that the unrest could be spreading to other parts of the vast Xinjiang region.

According to the Xinhua news agency, police dispersed around 200 people on Monday evening who had gathered outside the main mosque in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar.

Exiles reject blame
Xinjiang and the Uighurs



 Xinjiang is officially an autonomous region in China's west.

 Region is sparsely populated but has large reserves of oil, gas and minerals.

 Xinjiang was formerly a key transit point on the ancient Silk Road linking China to Europe.

 Region's Turkic speaking Uighur population number around eight million.

 Uighur activists say migration from other parts of China is part of official effort to dilute Uighur culture in their own land.

 Uighurs say they face repression on a range of fronts, including bans on the teaching of their language.

 Uighur separatists have staged series of low-level attacks since early 1990s.

 China says Uighur separatists are terrorists and linked to al-Qaeda.

The Chinese government has blamed Uighur exiles for stoking the unrest, singling out Rebiya Kadeer, a Uighur businesswoman who was jailed for years in China before being released into exile in the US where she now heads the World Uighur Congress, for "masterminding" the unrest.

"Rebiya had phone conversations with people in China on July 5 in order to incite, and websites such as Uighurbiz.cn and Diyarim.com were used to orchestrate the incitement and spread of propaganda," said Nur Bekri, the governor of Xinjiang.

Kadeer, a 62-year-old mother of 11, rejected the accusations on Monday, saying from Washington that they were "completely false".

"I did not organise any protests or call on the people to demonstrate," she said.

Explaining to reporters that she called her brother in Xinjiang when she learnt of the violence in Urumqi to warn her 40 relatives in the region to stay away from the demonstrations, she said: "A call I made to my brother does not mean I organised the whole event."

Activists say the clashes started when armed police moved in to break up a peaceful demonstration called after two Uighur workers at a toy factory in southern China were killed in a clash with Han Chinese staff late last month.

Kadeer said the protests in Urumqi started peacefully.

"They were not violent as the Chinese government has accused. They were not rioters or separatists," she said.

She did, however, condemn "the violent actions of some of the Uighur demonstrators", saying her organisation supported only peaceful protests.

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Uighurs defy Urumqi mosque closure

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The government had ordered Uighurs to pray at home for the sake of public safety [EPA]


Several mosques in the riot-hit Chinese city of Urumqi have opened for Friday prayers, countering earlier notices that all places of worship would be closed following clashes that left more than 150 people dead.

Mosques across the city, capital of China's far western Xinjiang region, had been ordered to close amid fears that large gatherings of ethnic Uighur Muslims could spark renewed unrest and clashes with the city's ethnic Han Chinese community.

Authorities had said the closures were for the sake of public safety and told Uighurs to pray at home.

However by midday on Friday large crowds had gathered at major mosques in the city.
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It was not clear whether the decision to hold prayers at the mosques was a change of policy or whether the mosques were opened because crowds had gathered outside.


One ethnic Uighur policeman guarding a mosque in the city told the Associated Press: "We decided to open the mosque because so many people had gathered. We did not want an incident."

According to Reuters news agency a small demonstration by Uighurs was broken up by Chinese riot police outside one mosque, but apart from the one isolated flare-up no other outbreaks of unrest were reported.

Heavy security

Thousands of Chinese troops using armoured cars and helicopters have been patrolling the city in a sweeping crackdown aimed at preventing further clashes between the Uighur and Han Chinese communities.
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The move comes in the wake of ethnic violence that has left more than 150 people dead since Sunday in the region's worst ethnic violence in decades.

Al Jazeera's Melissa Chan, reporting from Urumqi, said the situation appeared to be back to normal on Friday although thousands of soldiers remained in the city, most of them stationed at mosques.

Our correspondent said state media continued to emphasise the importance of both Han Chinese and minorities working together, and commended soldiers for successfully bringing the situation under control.

Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, described the riots as a "serious violent crime elaborately planned and organised by 'three forces' at home and abroad", in reference to what China's government calls religious extremists, separatists and terrorists who they say menace Xinjiang.

'Inseparable'

Speaking at a Communist party conference, he said that officials and ordinary people "should cherish the great atmosphere of all the minorities working, preparing and developing together".

"We should bear this in mind that the Han people cannot be separated from minorities, and minorities cannot be separated from the Han people, and minorities are inseparable from each other either," Hu was quoted as saying in the local media.

Urumqi's streets appeared relatively quiet on Friday after a week of deadly unrest [EPA]

Despite the authorities citing security fears that big Uighur gatherings could become another catalyst for unrest, the decision to silence congregational prayers could rankle the Uighurs, nearly all of whom are Muslims.


"Jumu'ah is the time of the week when we must pray. For us, it would be an insult to shut it down," said Ahmed Jan, a Uighur resident near the Dong Kuruk mosque.

"If we're not allowed to hold normal religious activities, there will be a lot of anger."

Xinjiang has long been a hotbed of ethnic tension, fostered by a growing economic gap between Uighurs and the Han Chinese, government curbs on religion and culture, as well as a massive influx of Han migrants who are now the majority in Urumqi.

On Tuesday, thousands of Han Chinese, vowing vengeance, attacked Uighur neighbourhoods, with many residents saying that people were killed, but the Chinese government has not released any figures beyond the 156 it says were killed in Sunday riots blamed on Uighurs.

Activists say the clashes started when armed police moved in to break up a peaceful demonstration called after two Uighur workers at a toy factory in southern China were killed in a clash with Han Chinese staff late last month.

The government has not revealed the ethnicities of the 156 nor given any information on more than 1,400 people it says were arrested in the wake of the clashes.

Xinjiang, a vast desert territory that borders Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, has abundant oil reserves and is the country's largest natural gas-producing region.

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Hello,

Thanks for the info

Despite the authorities citing security fears that big Uighur gatherings could become another catalyst for unrest, the decision to silence congregational prayers could rankle the Uighurs, nearly all of whom are Muslims.

Yes, to Muslims this is a major issue.  Friday prayer is extremely important and a major sin if not attending the Juma Prayer at the mosque.  It would infuse a situation that is already exceeding its limits.

As I said in the other posts, these Uighur Muslims are a minority that have been oppressed and repressed.  They are like 5 million out of like 35 million Muslims in China.  They are able to practice their religion freely if no political scenarios take place.  But the government is horrible to them and have executed them before and I wouldn't put it passed them to do it again.

Is horrible to be controlled by the government just because of religion...and well, THE GOVERNMENT!  One will see the need for an uprising to come if things get desperate.

I pray that God protects those who are just and obey Him.


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Its been the same since Mao decided to implement his policies. No one can be more beloved than the great leader or the party (the party being the chnese communist party, which supposedly represents the people !) .

This situation is playing out just like it did in Tibet in the 1940`s - except then there was no MSM reporting.

The CCP will have their way and people will die and be repressed. No one dares to stand against them. History is repeating itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQIdaR0J70

This is how they treat tibetans who are not demonstrating, but merely trying to escape over them mountains to dharmsala in northern india to the main tibetan refugee camp there.

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Those poor people.  I really am starting to hate deep down from seeing so much hate.  I never hated before so much.  I am not a hateful person, but these things are becoming just so disgustingly sick and to know these things are actually happening in this world. 

If enough people keep seeing videos and hearing of the "elite" "Illuminati" "Freemasons" "Bilderberg" etc. etc. etc.  man, hate would be enough to insight these people to do something serious!  Guess that is why they want to do away with truth...obvious.