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Which still leaves the question, though: Who is "Phillip Abbot Luce"? because I can't find a thing on here about him. If Ron luce is his son, then a lot of things would make sense here. All of Ron Luce's bios online have been wiped clean, too it seems.
Infiltrators and Agents Provocateurs
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-QVSLQgrihYJ:www.questiaschool.com/read/90057692This widely used tactic involved the infiltration of targeted organizations with informers and agents provocateurs, the latter expressly for the purpose of foment ing or engaging in illegal activities which could then be attributed to key organiza tional members and/or the organization as a whole. Agents provocateurs were also routinely assigned to disrupt the internal functioning of targeted groups and to as sist in the spread of disinformation. Once again, examples are legion. Initially, there seemed to be an inclination on the part of the Bureau to utilize such personnel, at least in part, a la Herbert "I Led Three Lives" Philbrick during the early 1950s, as vehicles to promote bogus "exposés" designed to discredit radicals "from within" their own organizations. An early instance of this concerned Phillip Abbot Luce, os tensibly a member of the Progressive Labor Party, who surfaced in 1965 to offer a series of highly inaccurate "revelations" on left thinking and practice before the House UnAmerican Activities Committee; Luce subsequently authored a book with FBI assistance, The New Left,11 containing much of the same material. Later examples of this include William Tulio Divalo with Joseph James, I Lived Inside the Campus Revolution,12 and Larry Grathwohl (as told to Frank Reagan), Bringing Down America: An FBI Informer with the Weatherman.13 Literally thousands of infiltrators were used against the left in the 1960s. Ac cording to the New York Times,14 the Bureau deployed 316 informers between 1960 and 1976 within the Socialist Workers Party ( SWP) and its youth wing, Young Socialist Alliance ( YSA), alone. Forty-two of these FBI plants had held office within the SWP or YSA and had thus participated in shaping the very organizational policies which the Bureau claimed it was necessary to investigate; as of June 1976, more than sixty infiltrators were still active within SWP and YSA. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Private Counter-subversion under Reagan
http://www.publiceye.org/huntred/Hunt_For_Red_Menace-10.htmlThe main right-wing domestic intelligence-gathering networks that operated during the Reagan/Bush Administrations were the John Rees Information Digest network, and a more amorphous network of New Right groups around the Council for Inter-American Security, Young American's for Freedom, and the American Sentinel newsletter. Two other domestic intelligence operations were run by two cult leaders, the neo-fascist Lyndon LaRouche, and the theocratic authoritarian Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Dozens of smaller private right-wing spy operations operated freely during the 1980's. While there is competition and sometimes acrimony among counter- subversion groups, there is also room for cooperation. For instance in 1981 when the American Sentinel was still called "Pink Sheet on the Left" and Phillip Abbot Luce was still editor, Luce wrote a promotional letter to his subscribers strongly recommending the "informative work being done by Dr. Fred Schwarz and his Christian Anti-Communist Crusade." Luce called the Crusade's newsletter excellent, and went on to rave that the publication was "Educational, informative and hard-hitting. I find it accurate, fact-filled and very well-documented." |
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That's a good one, and the videos that link to it. Like the Al Roker interview and their responce to Al Roker, then Al Roker's responce to their responce to him. But, is it so odd that they would start demonizing these two, now that they are coming out anti-NWO? They demonize AJones. They make him out to be a nut of all sorts. They air his rants and use them to mischaracterize his positions on issues or to show an imbalance of one sort or another. Is it a shock that they are doing it to these guys, too? Look who is critsizing "spiedie"'s behavior. Al Roker? The media? Two has been actresses giving their opinion about a "reality" show characterization. Look, I killed my TV a long time ago. It's Daily Show, Colbert Report, C-SPAN, South Park, Family Guy, and the occassional movie. All for "ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY." So, I tend to think these guys are mostly mind-numbed, post-adolescent, adolescents. However, they are getting informed. They have shown that. They do seem eager to know more and spread the word to others that are less mind-numbed than themselves. The more that know, the better. It means that more minds are trying to wrap around this and are able to give more perspectives on the issues that matter. So, while they help the cause, they, themselves, will never become the cause, we are way past that, so I say, "let them have at it," and I give them my support. |
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'The Hills' have eyes - Are conspiracy theorists the new Scientologists?
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It seems more and more celebrities are jumping on the conspiracy-theory bandwagon. Reality-television stars Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag Pratt of "The Hills" are the latest. Earlier this week, the married couple joined conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on his talk-radio show to discuss the New World Order Global Elite and other flights of fancy with the host, director of the documentaries "The Obama Deception" (Wall Street engineered the financial collapse in order to "repo the country," and President Obama is a mere frontman for "the elite") and "Info Wars" (the mass media is used to manipulate society). "The truth feels crazy," Mr. Pratt told Mr. Jones, "but the reality is, if you give them 'The Obama Deception' DVD and say, 'How about we have this conversation after you watch the DVD?' next thing you know, I have my friends twittering about 'Info Wars.' " Will teen queen Miley Cyrus be the next to drink the Kool-Aid? ----------------------------------------------------- It is important to note that the sub-title of this hit piece blurb is "Are conspiracy theorists the new Scientologists? " It is also important to note that Scientology is like the Jim Jones CIA Mind Control project as well as the CIA mind Control project known as the moonies. What is really priceless is that this hit piece appears in "The Washington Times" which is owned by CIA Assett, Reverend Moon. So what you have here is CIA controlled group on CIA controlled group slander (Rev. Moon slandering Scientologists). The only problem is, they are using a non CIA assett as collateral damage.
Anyway, Rev Moon is the one who helped expose the Franklin cover up, so he has always been somewhat of a loose cannon.
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'The Hills' have eyes - Are conspiracy theorists the new Scientologists?
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It seems more and more celebrities are jumping on the conspiracy-theory bandwagon. Reality-television stars Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag Pratt of "The Hills" are the latest. Earlier this week, the married couple joined conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on his talk-radio show to discuss the New World Order Global Elite and other flights of fancy with the host, director of the documentaries "The Obama Deception" (Wall Street engineered the financial collapse in order to "repo the country," and President Obama is a mere frontman for "the elite") and "Info Wars" (the mass media is used to manipulate society). "The truth feels crazy," Mr. Pratt told Mr. Jones, "but the reality is, if you give them 'The Obama Deception' DVD and say, 'How about we have this conversation after you watch the DVD?' next thing you know, I have my friends twittering about 'Info Wars.' " Will teen queen Miley Cyrus be the next to drink the Kool-Aid? ----------------------------------------------------- It is important to note that the sub-title of this hit piece blurb is "Are conspiracy theorists the new Scientologists? " It is also important to note that Scientology is like the Jim Jones CIA Mind Control project as well as the CIA mind Control project known as the moonies. What is really priceless is that this hit piece appears in "The Washington Times" which is owned by CIA Assett, Reverend Moon. So what you have here is CIA controlled group on CIA controlled group slander (Rev. Moon slandering Scientologists). The only problem is, they are using a non CIA assett as collateral damage.
Anyway, Rev Moon is the one who helped expose the Franklin cover up, so he has always been somewhat of a loose cannon.
I do have to say that the descriptions: "The Obama Deception" (Wall Street engineered the financial collapse in order to "repo the country," and President Obama is a mere frontman for "the elite") and "Info Wars" (the mass media is used to manipulate society).Are right fricking on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Every time they mention this stuff in the MSM they shoot themselves in the foot because people will start searching the internet and will say "holy sh#t this stuff is everywhere." Then its over and they are down the rabbit hole. Even the ones that don't believe any of it they will read some facts and predictions from infowars or other truth sites and dismiss them but then when they come true which they usually do they will then become believers.
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Every time they mention this stuff in the MSM they shoot themselves in the foot because people will start searching the internet and will say "holy sh#t this stuff is everywhere." Then its over and they are down the rabbit hole. Even the ones that don't believe any of it they will read some facts and predictions from infowars or other truth sites and dismiss them but then when they come true which they usually do they will then become believers.
They need to face the facts "resistance is futile."
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The Hills: Speidi Dives Into Politics http://www.buddytv.com/articles/the-hills/the-hills-speidi-dives-into-po-29779.aspxMonday, July 06, 2009 The Hills stars Spencer and Heidi Pratt are never going to shut up unless extreme measures are taken. This week, they became the point of controversy once again for commenting on several political issues during their appearance on Alex Jones' radio show. Speidi spewed out remarks regarding 9/11, global warming and even President Obama. It's possible that Spencer and Heidi wouldn't have discussed such issues if Jones didn't provoke them. Known for his conspiracy theories, the host apparently rubbed off on the two reality stars. Reports say that a music producer handed Speidi a copy of "The Obama Deception," and they heard of Alex Jones because of it. They soon got in touch, made arrangements and raised the eyebrows of many who listened to them. "I really do feel like we took the blue pill or whatever from The Matrix," Spencer Pratt announced. If ever donning dark sunglasses and a trench coat crosses his mind though, we have to stop him. As for his wife, Hills star Heidi Montag, she decided that learning more about the issues would be better for their appearance. She supposedly turned to the web for hours of poring through political pages. "We've been nonstop researching the Internet for information for at least a month all day every day," Heidi revealed. Spencer told Alex Jones on the show that he believes the idea of global warming was made up, and is all a scam. "It's mind-boggling trying to say there's global warming right now," the reality show celebrity said. He also supported Jones' claim about 9/11, saying it was an "inside job." Spencer went on to tell the radio show host: "From your research, it 100 percent is. I want to throw up." Meanwhile, there's the comparison of the American government to their MTV reality series, The Hills. "The narrator [Lauren Conrad] didn't get along with us. She skewed the information on the show, just like the American government can manipulate the media," said Spencer. "We used to have a phenomenal relationship with the media, they've kind of turned on us now because they've created us into such a monstrous thing ... like they made us too big, like they Obama-sized us." Considering their last comment, it sounds like Speidi is shunning their fame at last. Sounds very unlikely though. |
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« Reply #447 on: July 07, 2009, 08:17:11 AM » |
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Every time they mention this stuff in the MSM they shoot themselves in the foot because people will start searching the internet and will say "holy sh#t this stuff is everywhere." Then its over and they are down the rabbit hole. Even the ones that don't believe any of it they will read some facts and predictions from infowars or other truth sites and dismiss them but then when they come true which they usually do they will then become believers.
They need to face the facts "resistance is futile."
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« Reply #448 on: July 07, 2009, 08:17:26 AM » |
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I had a feeling his mixup of the red and blue pill would be mentioned in the MSM to make him look stupid... several articles now have included that quote...
... tutut... journalists ... my housemate is a journalism student and she is like a robot ... shes so programmed its unreal ... I can't wake her up ... we watched wake up call together as a house and all my other housemates have woke up to some extent now but within like an hour she seemed to have forgot everything that was in it... i show her scientific proof of thermite in the world trade center dust and she still thinks its a conspiracy theory ... i actually go through the official narrative of 7/7 to show her just how ridiculous it is and altho she agrees she refuses to admit to foul play... i go through every single major example of Obama saying one thing and doing another and on the one hand she says "its not his fault, there's things even he can't do" ... good ... but yet still believes he's the top of the pyramid ... *facepalm* ... i tell her about things like the bilderberg group and how the media refuse to report on it and she still refuses to believe the media is controlled ... the mental gymnastics these people go through is unreal.
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It's possible that Spencer and Heidi wouldn't have discussed such issues if Jones didn't provoke them. Known for his conspiracy theories, the host apparently rubbed off on the two reality stars.
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« Reply #450 on: July 08, 2009, 05:37:52 AM » |
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some Spencer Pratt s tweets yesterday, just for the record  "Just watched Loose Change on YouTube! Anyone who can watch that and not see the truth is blind!about 10 hours ago I need to buy gold asap! Paper money is paper RT @PerezHilton: Remembering the victims of 7/7. Such a sad day today for so many reasons. Americans don't even realize the Federal Reserve is as private as Federal Express! RT @prisonplanet: Senate Blocks Bill To Audit The Fed As Government Prepares For Second Round Of Looting - http://tiny.cc/rV4BK" |
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« Reply #451 on: July 08, 2009, 06:55:28 AM » |
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I second that. Shame on all the people playing the pedestal card (or whatever their trip is) and saying we should keep people like them out.
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i like 2nd edition, what's the difference between 2 and final?
second edition lays out the facts good but makes unnecessary speculation which has been debunked... it also promotes Pentagon no plane theories which tend to be a distraction from the hard scientific evidence at the WTC... the final cut lays it all out ... doesnt speculate just asks questions and is undebunkable. Both versions r kind of out of date now anyway with all the stuff thats come out the last 12 months. The establishment likes it when celebrities say they question whether or not a plane hit the pentagon ... like what charlie sheen did... if Spencer starts saying stuff like the hole was too small or whatever it could discredit us... thats why we're hoping he watched final cut...if he sticks to focussing on building 7 then it can only be a good thing. |
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I second that. Shame on all the people playing the pedestal card (or whatever their trip is) and saying we should keep people like them out.
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I never said they should keep them out.I said I was suspicious, given their mutually-deceitful background..
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second edition lays out the facts good but makes unnecessary speculation which has been debunked... it also promotes Pentagon no plane theories which tend to be a distraction from the hard scientific evidence at the WTC...
the final cut lays it all out ... doesnt speculate just asks questions and is undebunkable.
Both versions r kind of out of date now anyway with all the stuff thats come out the last 12 months.
The establishment likes it when celebrities say they question whether or not a plane hit the pentagon ... like what charlie sheen did... if Spencer starts saying stuff like the hole was too small or whatever it could discredit us... thats why we're hoping he watched final cut...if he sticks to focussing on building 7 then it can only be a good thing.
good analysis. I would just add that Final Cut (like Bermas's Fabled Enemies- A MUST SEE!) goes into the 911 Commission people and their overly obvious conflict of interests. This is so crucial for people to know that the 911 commission (even worse than the warren commission on JFK coup) was so utterly compromised that it was totally impossible for them to do anything but lie about what happened. i also agree with what others have said, getting the word out about LC2E is damn fine, let them ease into final cut. really, who could ask for anything more. after seeing 2nd edition, i personally went looking for another version anyway. just could not get enough. realize that millions of people see his twitter, fricking awesome guys! |
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I love how the corporate media tries to act like the "conspiracy" stuff is so crazy it can be refuted just by mentioning it. I happened to see a forum for English Teachers in Foreign Countries the other day (I teach English in Korea) and there is infowars stuff all over it and I would say about half the people are into and half still in denial---but everyone's aware of it.
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ok, i've been away from the computer for 2 weeks and this happens?
JUST WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
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ok, i've been away from the computer for 2 weeks and this happens?
JUST WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
I'm actually quite suspicious about this. As in, suspicious about Alex now.. how could this suddenly happen out of nowhere?
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No, I'm suspicious that Disney stars could suddenly come out and support 9/11 truth. Makes no sense.
Yeah, looks like the trauma based mind control is not able to wipe out all basic logic and common knowledge yet. Go through this thread and many of your concerns may have already been addressed.should you have more after the review, fire away. BTW - do not worry about the government sponsored mass mind control distractions...in less time the BS michael jackson distraction thread has racked up twice the views as this thread. So we still have a lot of work to do. |
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What are we supposed to do, exactly? Go do Speidi's PR work for them? I think we should promote them when appropriate, but the 9/11 truth movement "going hollywood" would only cheapen it and hurt it in the long run, imho, because it becomes more like a "brand name" than a real "movement" or political ideology. Ok, go ahead and flame me all you want now...I'm putting this thread away for later, when I'm not obsessing about the 13 different hate crime bills in congress or Madsen's new report about the NSA gagging their own people who are trying to blow the whistle on the NSA's 9/11 involvement. It's just too, idk...shallow, i guess. |
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What are we supposed to do, exactly? Go do Speidi's PR work for them? I think we should promote them when appropriate, but the 9/11 truth movement "going hollywood" would only cheapen it and hurt it in the long run, imho, because it becomes more like a "brand name" than a real "movement" or political ideology.
Ok, go ahead and flame me all you want now...I'm putting this thread away for later, when I'm not obsessing about the 13 different hate crime bills in congress or Madsen's new report about the NSA gagging their own people who are trying to blow the whistle on the NSA's 9/11 involvement. It's just too, idk...shallow, i guess.
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« Reply #471 on: July 11, 2009, 11:36:42 AM » |
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no worries, I am not the world's best communicator, sorry for collapsing the issues like that, should have been clearer.
ya how dare you not clarify the issue! lol Sane, I'm lighting up this blizzil for you |
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« Reply #472 on: July 12, 2009, 09:03:52 AM » |
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Yeah, looks like the trauma based mind control is not able to wipe out all basic logic and common knowledge yet.
You do realise that not every Hollywood star is under trauma-based mind control, don't you? |
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« Reply #473 on: July 12, 2009, 09:15:04 AM » |
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You do realise that not every Hollywood star is under trauma-based mind control, don't you?
Most that come out of disney are.   |
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« Reply #474 on: July 12, 2009, 09:25:06 AM » |
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Most that come out of disney are. bwaaahahahaha!!!!!!!!! oh man, picture is worth a thousand words. |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #475 on: July 18, 2009, 08:22:46 AM » |
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Just for the heck of it... I wanted to see if Heidi Montag was just using INFOWARS as some cheap publicity stunt and that all the dust has settled and they have disappeared. Well, about halfway down her dripping Twit she plugs Infowars... ckeck out @infowars! asap
5:24 PM Jul 16th from mobile web You can look at her twit here... http://twitter.com/heidiMontag |
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« Reply #476 on: July 09, 2011, 07:07:57 PM » |
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Since their appearance on Alex Jones radio show, have Heidi and Spencer done anything else in regards to 9/11 or speaking out?
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -- George Orwell
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« Reply #477 on: July 10, 2011, 06:36:33 PM » |
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Dammit, what happened to Charlie Sheen? All these celebs must get brave and speak out about 9/11 and the corruption in Government. They have the ear of the kids.
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -- George Orwell
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