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JayDyer
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« on: June 26, 2009, 02:15:01 PM »

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 By: Jay Dyer

Yes, I admit it, I went to see Transformers 2. It was so bad I was hoping it would transform into a different movie. But what can you expect from Michael Bay. While this movie had almost nothing good about it, there are a couple conspiratorial/esoteric elements worth mentioning.  Shia Labeouf's character moves off to college and happens to fall in with a band of annoying preppy, frat-boy "conspiracy theorists" who run a website devoted to exposing the truth about government coverups. This was clearly a reference to yours truly (just kidding). What is interesting about this was the portrayal of the "conspiracy." The theorists had been speculating along with others about the existence of aliens among us. What we find out is that the "alien Transformers" are really ancient deities with super advanced technology and they are among us - some protecting, others seeking to destroy. But between the hour-long explosions and the 75 trademark Michael Bay lense flares, we can perceive a deeper meaning.

What we have with this variation on the ever-popular akien theme is an insight into the real conspiracy - that there are aliens, but not what Hollywood thinks. The "aliens" who are contacting us are not benevolent space brothers, but demons. Now, not all phenomena related to UFOs are demonic - much of it is merely advanced human technology mixed with instances of imaginative abductees.  I don't think Roswell is anything special. What is real is that there is a fallen angelic hierarchy (as well as a good angelic hierarchy), and these beings are as real as you and I. They do not exist in our dimension, but in the next - the spiritual realm. The Bible is very clear about these beings, and they are truly invoked by and aid humans, be they evil "gods" or good angels. Just as there is an angelic liturgy, so there is a demonic. Famous exorcist and writer, Fr. Malachi Martin, in his classic The Keys of This Blood noted that the pedophilia scandal was not just some random phenomena of perverts, but was actually the workings of a network of underground Satanists who see pedophilia as the culmination of the "Fallen Angels' Rites." Indeed.

 


So what Spielberg and Michael Bay want you to believe is true in a sense and not true in another. Spielberg has for years promoted the lie that aliens are our more or less benevolent space brothers. In Indiana Jones 4 we learned as well about ancient technology of the gods, and that "aliens" were apparently our creators, (or harvesters). Richard Dawkins has said he find space aliens creators believable (and not the Bible). As much as I loved X-Files, it was the same there as well. It's also a little-known fact that the X-Files writers even received story lines from the CIA. Recall Eric Von Daniken's goofy Chariots of the Gods propaganda? It's no accident that the alien mythos has been among us for the last 50 years so heavily.  Pop culture via Spielbergianism has inundated us with this new replacement theology - replacing the Christian mythos with a modern, new agey story of alien origins.

So what does this have to do with Transformers 2? It's another example of the reality of this propaganda - the government is not covering up the existence of aliens races. The intelligence agencies and think tanks are more than happy to have you believing in contacting higher dimensional entities from Planet X. This is what SETI is all about. And, that isprecisely where all the modern fads and hype about aliens came from - intelligence agencies. So, oddly, there is some truth to Transformers 2. There are ancient gods and deities, they're just not robots and they don't come here to teach us about global governance and how to save the planet. They aren't returning in 2012 because they've been here all along. They are the angelic hierarchies, good and bad. Azazel is real (Lev. 17), and so is Lilith (Is. 24) - but so are Michael and Gabriel.



Personally, I do think there were high tech ancient societies and I do think the Book of Enoch is correct. However, this has to be parceled out and separated from the pop culture chaff nonsense about invaders from Mars. How many movies do you see about aliens? Countless. How many movies do you see about angelic hierarchies? Zero. This is the real coverup - the real top secret information.  I am reminded of the excellent article by Fr. Alexey Young from several years ago detailing how, from a biblical worldview, the aliens are demons.




We also see in Transformers 2 the occult theme of channelling. Shia comes in contact with an ancient, magical talisman (the "Allspark") that has the power to create life. Again - not a personal God, but an impersonal force from which life spontaneously emerges.  Precisely the Darwinian-occult view. Shia at one point in the film dies near the pyramids in Egypt and comes before the council of the gods and learns he is the chosen one to save the race. This is a prominent theme among new agers and occultists who "channel" aliens entities. Often they are told the very same thing. The alien spirit possesses him over a period of time and leads him to his destiny - to save the world. What we see is not of course a Christian worldview, but rather the occult obsession with ancient Egypt, and when Shia dies, he passes over to the gods like the Pharoahs of old. At many points in the film the winged disc of Horus is displayed to clue you in to that fact. Shia achieves theosis - deification, but not by the Christian mysteries and sacraments, but by himself - by his own willpower and humanism.

Note also the shirt Shia wears throughout the film - the moon, the earth, 5 stars and the number six. This is cluing you in as well that the "aliens" Shia is working with are not "aliens" but the rulers and principalities associated with those planets and stars.




So the aliens are not coming, they are here. The Pentagon propagandists want you to believe in aliens and to speculate about Roswell. They want you to go to Books a Million's rows and rows of new age and occult and pick up books on spells and incantations for summoning "aliens." They want this because they do not believe the Christian worldview - that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, bringing man into blessed accord with the good angels. That is the real suppressed "conspiracy."



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kushfiend
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2009, 08:07:18 AM »

very interesting thread Jay.  Indeed, nearly every hollywood blockbuster is filled with subliminal illuminati symbols and occult themes.

Interesting that everything you have written directly corresponds to what the Bible has said about this earth - mainly that we struggle no against the flesh and blood but against "principalities," or evil spirits.

Yes, I agree that there is a def hierarchy to the demonic and angelic - but Christ rules all and that's why in Alien abduction cases whenever someone commanded the "aliens" to leave in Jesus Christ's name, they always do.  Why?  Because they are not aliens but demons as you said, and they have to obey the command of the creator of the Universe.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 02:43:08 AM »

I just watched this tonight...

Notice in the first scene at the air force base, the UK flag next to the US flag.

The conspiracy theorist roommates are supposed to be like the truth movement and national security gets addressed the whole movie.

- I was glad to see someone on Prison Planet was already on it. Absolutely stunning how EVERYTHING has writing on the wall..
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 04:42:00 AM »

I have several standard questions about angels and demons, that I would pose to anyone who claims to know about them:

1. Are they in fact 4-dimensional entities?
2. Do they procreate?
3. Is it possible to kill them?
4. Do angels fight with demons?
5. Can an angel possess a human, the same way a demon can?
6. Do they possess advanced or super-human knowledge/understanding about Mathematics and Physics?
7. Can they manifest physically in our dimension?

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I have no idea if this has anything to do with this, but I just wanted to tell about a weird experience I had today.

I was lying in bed late at night, when suddenly an image of a deformed head of a camel, kind of staring at me, appeared in my mind, and it just wouldn't go away. It was very disturbing. Can anybody comment on this?
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 05:42:07 AM »

I have a few problems with what was stated above. First off their are far more people involved in Christianity then in the new age movement, would they not suppress the bible if in fact it is soo important? Seems to me Christianity has been forced down peoples throats for a reason you are partaking in the very same rituals you denounce.
 
I find it strange that soo called truthers who research conspiratory matters have not done any research in the origins of religion and the history of the bible. 
 
If you are familiar with hermetics or masonry you would be well aware that the bible is filled with non Christian beliefs,rituals and symbolism. In fact the highest degrees of the freemasons have a very heavy biblical influance.

If any thing I think these movies depict a very vauge truth to the origins of man and in fact is what is taught in the mystrie schools. Not to mention countless religions revolve around the notion of "begins" comming from the sky in ships.

As for dimentional begins I think they exsist alongside aliens but to me the idea they are fallen workers of the creator is imposible because the creator is incomprehendable.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 05:50:46 AM »

"Yes, I agree that there is a def hierarchy to the demonic and angelic - but Christ rules all and that's why in Alien abduction cases whenever someone commanded the "aliens" to leave in Jesus Christ's name, they always do.  Why?  Because they are not aliens but demons as you said, and they have to obey the command of the creator of the Universe."

Then why would demons be abducting people in the first place if they had to obey the command of the creator.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 12:41:42 PM »

"Yes, I agree that there is a def hierarchy to the demonic and angelic - but Christ rules all and that's why in Alien abduction cases whenever someone commanded the "aliens" to leave in Jesus Christ's name, they always do.  Why?  Because they are not aliens but demons as you said, and they have to obey the command of the creator of the Universe."

Then why would demons be abducting people in the first place if they had to obey the command of the creator.

God created man with the freedom of choice of rejecting God.  If you want to pray to dark spirits, you are more than able to.  IF you want to let your body be used as a temple for Satan and his minions, you are perfectly able to.  Read up on alien abductions and you will find countless examples were the supposed "aliens" were actually acting a lot more like a demon would, and yes, it has been documented that many people were powerless to escape until commanding the alien/demon to leave them alone in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Flynn
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 08:49:32 PM »

I'm thinking about picking up Revenge tomorrow on blu ray, i'd get the first one too but really it would be pointless as i've watched it, at least some scenes more than a hundred times i'm sure.
AJ had a very good point about the torture but i've kinda realized that they can re-develop,
like the one that got his eye poked surely could have grown back a new one right?
I like to switch off if i can when watchin' movies and i guess i'll take a look at it tomorrow as
i've seen only a grainy online version.
Don't get me wrong if there is a clear agenda put in a movie then it's not for me, like watchmen,
i didn't like dr. Manhattan, and not only cause he refused to wear shorts.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 09:11:00 PM »

This is why I do not bother with all the popular crap, especially from hollywood. I read books, literature, and feel so much better after.

If I somehow feel like watching a movie I'll take a good entertaining classic, like the Spagetti westerns of the 60's from Serge Leone, a David Lynch, an Hitchcock or one of those European masterpieces that are never mentioned in America.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 09:24:23 PM »

I find no Rest these days to read, i do love the Classic movies though especially Serge Leone's.
i visited in Spain once the place they made many of the westerns, including Good Bad an' Ugly.
Almeria, in southern Spain.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 04:06:36 PM »

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 By: Jay Dyer

Yes, I admit it, I went to see Transformers 2. It was so bad I was hoping it would transform into a different movie. But what can you expect from Michael Bay. While this movie had almost nothing good about it, there are a couple conspiratorial/esoteric elements worth mentioning.  Shia Labeouf's character moves off to college and happens to fall in with a band of annoying preppy, frat-boy "conspiracy theorists" who run a website devoted to exposing the truth about government coverups. This was clearly a reference to yours truly (just kidding). What is interesting about this was the portrayal of the "conspiracy." The theorists had been speculating along with others about the existence of aliens among us. What we find out is that the "alien Transformers" are really ancient deities with super advanced technology and they are among us - some protecting, others seeking to destroy. But between the hour-long explosions and the 75 trademark Michael Bay lense flares, we can perceive a deeper meaning.

What we have with this variation on the ever-popular akien theme is an insight into the real conspiracy - that there are aliens, but not what Hollywood thinks. The "aliens" who are contacting us are not benevolent space brothers, but demons. Now, not all phenomena related to UFOs are demonic - much of it is merely advanced human technology mixed with instances of imaginative abductees.  I don't think Roswell is anything special. What is real is that there is a fallen angelic hierarchy (as well as a good angelic hierarchy), and these beings are as real as you and I. They do not exist in our dimension, but in the next - the spiritual realm. The Bible is very clear about these beings, and they are truly invoked by and aid humans, be they evil "gods" or good angels. Just as there is an angelic liturgy, so there is a demonic. Famous exorcist and writer, Fr. Malachi Martin, in his classic The Keys of This Blood noted that the pedophilia scandal was not just some random phenomena of perverts, but was actually the workings of a network of underground Satanists who see pedophilia as the culmination of the "Fallen Angels' Rites." Indeed.

 


So what Spielberg and Michael Bay want you to believe is true in a sense and not true in another. Spielberg has for years promoted the lie that aliens are our more or less benevolent space brothers. In Indiana Jones 4 we learned as well about ancient technology of the gods, and that "aliens" were apparently our creators, (or harvesters). Richard Dawkins has said he find space aliens creators believable (and not the Bible). As much as I loved X-Files, it was the same there as well. It's also a little-known fact that the X-Files writers even received story lines from the CIA. Recall Eric Von Daniken's goofy Chariots of the Gods propaganda? It's no accident that the alien mythos has been among us for the last 50 years so heavily.  Pop culture via Spielbergianism has inundated us with this new replacement theology - replacing the Christian mythos with a modern, new agey story of alien origins.

So what does this have to do with Transformers 2? It's another example of the reality of this propaganda - the government is not covering up the existence of aliens races. The intelligence agencies and think tanks are more than happy to have you believing in contacting higher dimensional entities from Planet X. This is what SETI is all about. And, that isprecisely where all the modern fads and hype about aliens came from - intelligence agencies. So, oddly, there is some truth to Transformers 2. There are ancient gods and deities, they're just not robots and they don't come here to teach us about global governance and how to save the planet. They aren't returning in 2012 because they've been here all along. They are the angelic hierarchies, good and bad. Azazel is real (Lev. 17), and so is Lilith (Is. 24) - but so are Michael and Gabriel.



Personally, I do think there were high tech ancient societies and I do think the Book of Enoch is correct. However, this has to be parceled out and separated from the pop culture chaff nonsense about invaders from Mars. How many movies do you see about aliens? Countless. How many movies do you see about angelic hierarchies? Zero. This is the real coverup - the real top secret information.  I am reminded of the excellent article by Fr. Alexey Young from several years ago detailing how, from a biblical worldview, the aliens are demons.




We also see in Transformers 2 the occult theme of channelling. Shia comes in contact with an ancient, magical talisman (the "Allspark") that has the power to create life. Again - not a personal God, but an impersonal force from which life spontaneously emerges.  Precisely the Darwinian-occult view. Shia at one point in the film dies near the pyramids in Egypt and comes before the council of the gods and learns he is the chosen one to save the race. This is a prominent theme among new agers and occultists who "channel" aliens entities. Often they are told the very same thing. The alien spirit possesses him over a period of time and leads him to his destiny - to save the world. What we see is not of course a Christian worldview, but rather the occult obsession with ancient Egypt, and when Shia dies, he passes over to the gods like the Pharoahs of old. At many points in the film the winged disc of Horus is displayed to clue you in to that fact. Shia achieves theosis - deification, but not by the Christian mysteries and sacraments, but by himself - by his own willpower and humanism.

Note also the shirt Shia wears throughout the film - the moon, the earth, 5 stars and the number six. This is cluing you in as well that the "aliens" Shia is working with are not "aliens" but the rulers and principalities associated with those planets and stars.




So the aliens are not coming, they are here. The Pentagon propagandists want you to believe in aliens and to speculate about Roswell. They want you to go to Books a Million's rows and rows of new age and occult and pick up books on spells and incantations for summoning "aliens." They want this because they do not believe the Christian worldview - that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, bringing man into blessed accord with the good angels. That is the real suppressed "conspiracy."




very interesting....but was interest in your name and where did you get it? i would rather had asked you in a pm but u being a guest i can't ..i know alot of the Dyer family
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Flynn
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 04:11:06 PM »

Hey!, i'm in the middle of the movie right now, takin' a break for a bit, the blu ray looks way fine.
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Flynn
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 07:01:37 PM »

Awesome movie, with enemy at top of pyramid and all, gotta love the Autobots.
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