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Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

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Quite. Im still reading that terrorist hunters book, he was mentioned in there - along with a section on police surveillance, and a bit about those other guys they shot accidentally in a flat in london. There is a bit in it that i will type out later, that talks about the fact that there is only so many police, and that they want to mobilise the civilians to be their eyes and ears and it was quite sinister actually.
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Haha ... it backfired on them ...

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ha ha ha
great.
hopefully ppl`s opinions won`t be coloured by what they saw on that stupid program.
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Yeh ... well even if they don't by into the conspiracy... u can't deny how ridiculous it makes the official story seem ... my favourite bit is where he shows the illogical movements of Hasib Hussain taking the number 91 bus, then boarding the number 30 bus which was supposed to go back to where he started but was then diverted to tavistock square ... which he supposedly wouldnt have known about ... and the fact that the number 91 bus actually goes to tavistock square! ... just from that, any rational person can come to the conclusion that the number 30 bus was specifically singled out.
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They admitted that that no 30 bus was the ONLY bus to be diverted that day ! No explanation as to why the only bus that was diverted was also the one to blow up !

Another unbelievable coincidence i guess !
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The type of explosives have changed many times ... first they were believed to be military C4, RDX or TNT ... then it changed to TATP ... now its hydrogen peroxide and flour/pepper/sauce or summit ... u'd think considering they actually have some of the explosives that were conveniently left behind they'd know....

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/popup?id=979901&contentIndex=1&start=false&page=5

Honestly... the fraud is so blatant its unreal ... its just like how Mohammad Atta conveniently left his bag at the airport with aload of evidence in.
I'm seeing a trend  ;)

The Bali Bombing's in Oct 12, 2002 'bomb makeup' changed several times aswell... got all the evidence and dumped it into the ocean..

1 year, 1 month and 1 day after 9/11  :-[ *Shakes head*. Then again in 2005...  >:(

Great Documentary on that is 'Fool Me Twice' - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4135706276167925924

I just shake my head that US, UK, Spain, Indonesia x 2 are hit... and the news in Australia is just peppering the stories about this target might be hit, terrorists might use this and I'm just waiting for the day - It's bound to come.  :(
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I'm seeing a trend  ;)

The Bali Bombing's in Oct 12, 2002 'bomb makeup' changed several times aswell... got all the evidence and dumped it into the ocean..

1 year, 1 month and 1 day after 9/11  :-[ *Shakes head*. Then again in 2005...  >:(

You can follow it all back to Oklahoma City and Mc Viegh... Its like they stuffed that one up on so many levels, and yet got away with it, then refined and adapted there ideas on modus operandi.

I did watch the video some one made on the Bali Bombing BTW.

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You can follow it all back to Oklahoma City and Mc Viegh... Its like they stuffed that one up on so many levels, and yet got away with it, then refined and adapted there ideas on modus operandi.

I did watch the video some one made on the Bali Bombing BTW.

Mmm not to deviate away from 7/7 but it all works together... with OKC it was the militias, with UK, US & Indonesia it was Muslim "Terrorists".

Certainly I believe with a high degree of certainty an attack here will be blamed on Muslims. Some people can be overtly racist by simple conditioning.

OR they'll blame it on Outlaw Bikie Gangs... the Bikie Gangs are the renewed focus now and people are as ignorant when it comes to Bikies as they are Muslims.

I may be a tad delusional here but perhaps our intel guys never accepted participating in any terrorist attack here?  :( OR they just haven't been given a "exercise" to carry out. Just remember folks our first terrorist attack was in 1978 and Australian Intel had it f-ing paws all over it!  ::)

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=88905.0

Back on topic though >>> I remember seeing the Live reports come in at home and was confused as to what had happened. First they said some electrical or gas explosion and then all the conditioning started to rev up.

With 9/11 I never had an emotional response rather what I can only try and describe as my subconscious saying 'Don't jump the gun, does this look right to you? How can this happen in a country with the likes of MI5 / 6 & CIA sharing a bed? And how could they have not stopped this?'

That's the question! How could the intelligence agencies not stop it?!

Well if the good guys weren't being stonewalled and the whole organisation did their job---ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!  ;D
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Now this is interesting... I was just looking at the July Seventh Truth site and there's a whole page about Peter Power's exercise and they have a quote that I hadn't seen before... The day after 7/7, in an interview with a local Manchester newspaper, he said this:

Mr Power said: "I was an inspector at the time of the King's Cross fire and was involved in co-ordinating the operation.

"After leaving the Met, I set up my own crisis managment consultancy.  Yesterday we were actually in the City working on an exercise involving mock broadcasts when it happened for real.

"When news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realising there was an attack

We then became involved in a real crisis which we had to manage for the company."

Mr Power added: "During the exercise we were working on yesterday, we were looking at a situation where there had been bombs at key London transport locations - although we weren't specifically looking at a scenario where there had been a bomb on a bus.

"It's a standard exercise and briefing that we carry out."
Image of the newspaper article: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/images/PeterPower-ManchesterEveningNews.jpg

"Mock Broadcasts"? He didn't say anything about that in the BBC piece!
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Now this is interesting... I was just looking at the July Seventh Truth site and there's a whole page about Peter Power's exercise and they have a quote that I hadn't seen before... The day after 7/7, in an interview with a local Manchester newspaper, he said this:
Image of the newspaper article: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/images/PeterPower-ManchesterEveningNews.jpg

"Mock Broadcasts"? He didn't say anything about that in the BBC piece!

Mmmm that reminds me of 'Flu-casters' where a news broadcast was deemed to be real but at the end proclaimed it was fake and part of an exercise.

Ain't it just sickening.
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"When news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realising there was an attack." - Peter Power

Blurring reality for those involved in the "Exercise"... How on earth are you to be sure that in the future the exercises you participate in aren't terrorist attacks?! And that even as a first responder you may be the patsy terrorist..  ???
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"Mock Broadcasts"? He didn't say anything about that in the BBC piece!

Correct.

Mr Power isn't telling the truth.

Mr Power is a key player in 7/7.

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hey, let's arrest him and put him under oath so he can Lie on the Bible.

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hey, let's arrest him and put him under oath so he can Lie on the Bible.

 ::)
Can I suggest that he obtain a particular Bible from a Prison library and just forget to sign him out?  ;D
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Actually, i had heard (read) somewhere that he had some mock broadcasts during his drill. I very much doubt though that it involved only 6 people ! And why hasn`t what ever company he was running this drill for come forward and said, yes actually it was for us ! What would be the harm?
Also, what normal small company with 6 employees would need to employ powers to imagine up the kind of scenario the occurred on july 7th?
One final thing that bugs me - He is known to say "we had to jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing"
Why?
He was nothing to do with the london bombs - he was running an exercise for a small company, he was not employed by the govt, why did he have to jump to quick time doing? Who made that his responsibility? What did it have to do with him ?
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He is known to say "we had to jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing"

"Quick time doing" must involve appearing on the TV and Radio putting out a story about a coincidental drill (just in case anyone was wondering if there was a connection) a short time after the event.

Because that's what he did.


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Actually the company had 1000 employees, the crisis team supposedly involved only 6 ... but yeh it is a little odd that he would have to switch it from fictional to real and cause confusion if it was just a table top discussion and a powerpoint presentation as he now claims ...

I dont like accusing the people the BBC interview as willing participants but after Mark "Thermite can't bring down a building symmetrically, but fire can" Loizeux's testimony in the WTC7 hitpiece, it seems most of the people they interview are liars who were involved in these crimes...
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Except, that Im sure i read somewhere there was a large drill going on involving police and actors playing casualties (like obachikes infamous guy with bandage on head yelling and screaming near bus !
Also, why was there so many police around tavistock sq prior to the blast - if what obachike and other survivors recall is true?

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O i have no doubt the bus was specifically singled out, and rerouted to an area with loads of police, actors and agents waiting ... all the evidence seems to indicate that and the official story is just completely illogical.

I'd love to know who these actors are ... it's like that harley shirted guy on 9/11 who said "it veered right into the world trade center exploding through the other side and then I watched both towers collapse first one and then the other, mostly due to structural failure coz the fire was just too intense"... their presence really is quite sinister...
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so, If you were an actor that day playing that role. wouldnt you have talked?

Unless they were not actors but all agents playing actors?

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Well not necessarily ... Do hitmen feel guilty about the people they kill? ... Do the people who rigged the twin towers feel guilty about it? ... Probably not ... for the right price people will do anything ... and these agents and actors were probably paid alot of money.
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Well not necessarily ... Do hitmen feel guilty about the people they kill? ... Do the people who rigged the twin towers feel guilty about it? ... Probably not ... for the right price people will do anything ... and these agents and actors were probably paid alot of money.
Or gagged by official secrets act and threatened with never ending jail sentences or worse !
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In the case of 9/11 they were probably killed ... Barry Jennings' testimony of stepping over dead bodies just opens up a hole new rabbit hole... who were those people? Were they the ones who remotely flew the planes? Were they the ones who rigged the buildings up? Was building 7 demolished to cover up their deaths? Seems like a better explanation than the "we dont have a paper shredder so we're gonna demolish an entire building" theory!
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He was nothing to do with the london bombs - he was running an exercise for a small company, he was not employed by the govt, why did he have to jump to quick time doing? Who made that his responsibility? What did it have to do with him ?

Exactly, and if the BBC documentary would have had any balls, they would have questioned him about just this, and several other things. It's really insidious that this Common Purpose infested corporation are LYING TO US ALL THE TIME, for a corporate purpose that involved Global Domination and EUGENICS.

PS: why is SUICIDE illegal when there's clearly more benefit for as many people as possible no longer being alive. That's the bit that really PISSES ME OFF, the kill yourself, it's illegal to kill yourself issue

It's like they ONLY get their corporate rocks off if they're seeing people suffer while they play their ridiculous game of RISK. I mean, I'm sure there's NOT some alien beast who's running our global 'elite' demanding that they inflict as much PAIN AND SUFFERING as possible as part of some intergalactic deal .... but I know that's f**king bullshit as well. Then again....

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In the case of 9/11 they were probably killed ... Barry Jennings' testimony of stepping over dead bodies just opens up a hole new rabbit hole... who were those people? Were they the ones who remotely flew the planes? Were they the ones who rigged the buildings up? Was building 7 demolished to cover up their deaths? Seems like a better explanation than the "we dont have a paper shredder so we're gonna demolish an entire building" theory!

Really good point.

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Exactly, and if the BBC documentary would have had any balls, they would have questioned him about just this, and several other things. It's really insidious that this Common Purpose infested corporation are LYING TO US ALL THE TIME, for a corporate purpose that involved Global Domination and EUGENICS.

PS: why is SUICIDE illegal when there's clearly more benefit for as many people as possible no longer being alive. That's the bit that really PISSES ME OFF, the kill yourself, it's illegal to kill yourself issue

It's like they ONLY get their corporate rocks off if they're seeing people suffer while they play their ridiculous game of RISK. I mean, I'm sure there's NOT some alien beast who's running our global 'elite' demanding that they inflict as much PAIN AND SUFFERING as possible as part of some intergalactic deal .... but I know that's f**king bullshit as well. Then again....

Poor old Auntie BBC is getting shredded in here  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Exactly, and if the BBC documentary would have had any balls, they would have questioned him about just this, and several other things. It's really insidious that this Common Purpose infested corporation are LYING TO US ALL THE TIME, for a corporate purpose that involved Global Domination and EUGENICS.

PS: why is SUICIDE illegal when there's clearly more benefit for as many people as possible no longer being alive. That's the bit that really PISSES ME OFF, the kill yourself, it's illegal to kill yourself issue

It's like they ONLY get their corporate rocks off if they're seeing people suffer while they play their ridiculous game of RISK. I mean, I'm sure there's NOT some alien beast who's running our global 'elite' demanding that they inflict as much PAIN AND SUFFERING as possible as part of some intergalactic deal .... but I know that's f**king bullshit as well. Then again....

Is suicide actually illegal???
I didnt know that ! LOL. How can they decide that its not for you to decide when your life will end ? And how could they prosecute you if you were successful ! :S
Very weird ! :)
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Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
« Reply #266 on: July 04, 2009, 11:14:03 AM »
The Daily Mail is running a rather ballsy editorial about the London Bombings on the 7th July 2005. I say ballsy bacause since September 11 2001 it's like the mainstream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the corporate global elite ruled by the City of London bankers. The Daily Mail is reporting that the general public are less and less convinced by the 'official cover story'. That might be because it's FULL OF HOLES, full of insane inconsistencies, full of coincidences. And will somebody please resolve the Jean Charles de Menezes issue, it's getting annoying now.

Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry.

Campaigner Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto, 46, was one of those killed, explains: 'It's just very hard for us to believe four people got up in the morning, put bombs together on the basis of information from the internet and managed to throw London into chaos and to create a tragedy. It's impossible for me to believe those four individuals acted on their own.'

Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'


Read the rest of the article at the Daily Mail.

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In the case of 9/11 they were probably killed ... Barry Jennings' testimony of stepping over dead bodies just opens up a hole new rabbit hole... who were those people? Were they the ones who remotely flew the planes? Were they the ones who rigged the buildings up? Was building 7 demolished to cover up their deaths? Seems like a better explanation than the "we dont have a paper shredder so we're gonna demolish an entire building" theory!

I don't think they were the ones flying the planes (I think the global hawks took care of that). There were probably a bunch of reasons for blowing up Building 7, and covering up people that had been capped could have been part of it. There was a lot of paper shredding and a lot of computer deleting that was taken care of by blowing up 7--easier in some ways that trying to get rid of the info through normal means.

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Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
« Reply #268 on: July 04, 2009, 01:12:10 PM »
The Daily Mail is running a rather ballsy editorial about the London Bombings on the 7th July 2005. I say ballsy bacause since September 11 2001 it's like the mainstream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the corporate global elite ruled by the City of London bankers. The Daily Mail is reporting that the general public are less and less convinced by the 'official cover story'. That might be because it's FULL OF HOLES, full of insane inconsistencies, full of coincidences. And will somebody please resolve the Jean Charles de Menezes issue, it's getting annoying now.

Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry.

Campaigner Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto, 46, was one of those killed, explains: 'It's just very hard for us to believe four people got up in the morning, put bombs together on the basis of information from the internet and managed to throw London into chaos and to create a tragedy. It's impossible for me to believe those four individuals acted on their own.'

Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'


Read the rest of the article at the Daily Mail.

Ballsy? They are calling for all out was on the truth, demonizing then probably genociding anyone who dare speak the truth (look at the last few sentences)...getting ugly...

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Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry

By Sue Reid Last updated at 11:53 PM on 03rd July 2009


Today almost four years on, the images of that dreadful morning are etched into our minds: the woman in the haunting white burns mask being helped to safety; the shell-shocked businessman in a suit with his hair and shirt matted with blood; the crippled No 30 bus with its roof blown off; the mangled wreckage of smouldering Tube trains.

The country's worst-ever terrorist atrocity during London's morning rush hour on July 7, 2005, shattered for ever the heady euphoria in which the capital was basking the morning after winning the bid for the 2012 Olympics.

That afternoon, Tony Blair - who was hosting the G8 summit on global poverty in Gleneagles, Scotland - returned to Downing Street to pronounce that the attack was an act in the 'name of Islam'.
 

Fateful day: The iconic image of a 7/7 Tube victim wearing a burns mask

Later, at a meeting of the Government's national emergency committee COBRA, London's anti-terror police chief Andy Hayman told senior ministers that he suspected suicide bombers.

And so the story of 7/7 that we have come to accept was pieced together: four British Muslims - Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Jermaine Lindsay, 19, and Hasib Hussain, 18 - blew themselves up using home-made explosives, killing 56 and injuring 700 on three Tube trains and a double-decker bus.

They had travelled on a mainline train from Luton into King's Cross Thameslink Station in London, each carrying a heavy rucksack of explosives.

It is a version of events that has been endorsed by a high-level Parliamentary inquiry and a government report, both published in May 2006 ten months after the event, based on 12,500 statements, a police examination of 142 computers and 6,000 hours of CCTV footage.

The report insisted that the bombers acted on their own, constructing explosives from chapatti flour and hair bleach mixed in the bath at a flat in Leeds, Yorkshire, where all four had family and friends.

It concluded that the Muslim bombers were not controlled by a terrorist mastermind, but inspired by Al Qaeda ideology picked up on extremist websites.

But families of the dead victims and an increasing number of 7/7 survivors claim there are inconsistencies and basic mistakes in the official accounts that need explanation.

And they are demanding a full public inquiry to answer key questions about what the Intelligence Services and the police did and did not know before the bombings.

Meanwhile, the Government's determined refusal to meet their demands is having a very dangerous side-effect - fuelling myriad conspiracy theories about 7/7. Books, blogs and several video documentaries point to oddities in the official accounts.
 

Messages left for the victims of the London bombings at the site of the bus explosion in Tavistock Square

Alarmingly, some of the conspiracy videos are being hawked around mosques throughout the country to whip up anti-British sentiment.

For the most outlandish and offensive of them suggest that the attacks were not the work of Muslim terrorists at all, but were carried out by the Government to boost support for the Iraq war.

The survivors are so intent on an independent inquiry that they are now taking legal action in the High Court to try to force the Home Secretary Alan Johnson to authorise it.

Campaigner Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto, 46, was one of those killed, explains: 'It's just very hard for us to believe four people got up in the morning, put bombs together on the basis of information from the internet and managed to throw London into chaos and to create a tragedy. It's impossible for me to believe those four individuals acted on their own.'

Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'

Central to the puzzle is which train the four Muslims caught from Luton to London on the morning of the bomb blasts - bearing in mind that the three separate Tube explosions at Edgware Road, Aldgate and King's Cross occurred together at exactly 8.50am, followed by the red bus an hour later near Tavistock Square.
 

Tavistock bombing: The remains of the bus after the terrorist attack

The official reports said the bombers got on the 7.40am train from Luton which would have arrived at King's Cross in good time for them to board the Tube trains.

However, the 7.40am train never ran that morning. It was cancelled.

The Government has since corrected this information - but only after the error was raised by survivors - saying the bombers actually caught an earlier train, the 7.25am from Luton, for the 35-minute journey to King's Cross. It was due to arrive in the capital at 8am.

Yet this throws up more questions than it answers. For this train ran 23 minutes late because of problems with the overhead line which disrupted most of the service between Luton to King's Cross that morning. It arrived in London at 8.23am, say station officials.

According to the July Seventh Truth Campaign - another group calling for a public inquiry - this again places the official version of the bombers' travelling times in doubt.

A still CCTV photo of the four bombers arriving at the station in Luton is the only one of the four men together on July 7. Controversially, no CCTV images, either still or moving, of them in London have ever been released.

The Luton image is also contentious: the quality is poor and the faces of three of the bombers are unidentifiable. The conspiracy theorists say it could be a fake.

This photo is timed at four seconds before 7.22am. But if this were the case, the men would have had just three minutes to walk up the stairs at Luton, buy their 22 day return tickets and get to the platform, which was packed with commuters because of the earlier travel disruptions.
 

Blown up: A Circle Line train between Liverpool Street and Aldgate stations

The Truth Campaign group is equally sceptical about the bombers' supposed arrival time at King's Cross.

They say it takes seven minutes to walk from the Thameslink line station to the main King's Cross station, where there is an entrance to the Tube network.

Police say the four men were seen on the main King's Cross concourse at 8.26am, although no CCTV footage has ever been made public.

But is this possible? How had the men got there in three short minutes after getting off the Luton train at 8.23am?

And it is such inconsistencies that are fuelling the deepening concerns. This week, a television documentary on BBC2 called Conspiracy Files 7/7 revealed the existence of a conspiracy theorist's 56-minute video called Ripple Effect.

It accuses Tony Blair, the Government, the police, and the British and Israeli Secret Services of murdering the innocent people who died that day to stir up anti-Islamic fervour and create public support for the 'war on terror'.
 

Fact or fiction? Some theories suggest Mohammad Sidique Khan's video was a forgery

It alleges that the four British Muslims were tricked by the authorities into taking part in what they were told would be a mock anti-terror training exercise. What they weren't told, the video alleges, was that the Government was going to blow them up, along with other passengers, then pretend the four were suicide bombers.

Without any evidence, the Ripple Effect video accuses government agents of setting off pre-planted explosives under the three Tube trains and on the bus.

It suggests that the four Muslims were not, in fact, on any of the Tube trains, claiming that they missed them altogether because of the train delays on the Luton to London line.

It adds, astonishingly, that because the four did not get onto the Tube on time, three of them were murdered by police at Canary Wharf later that morning and the fourth - the bus bomber - ran off.

Outrageous though these claims are, the video has become an internet hit. More worryingly, it is playing on the fears of Britain's Muslim community.

Even some senior Islamists believe the events of 7/7 were fabricated. As Dr Mohammad Naseem, the chairman of Birmingham's Central Mosque, says in the BBC2 documentary: 'We do not accept the government version of July 7, 2005. The Ripple Effect video is more convincing than the official statements.'

Mr Naseem, a well-educated man, had made 2,000 copies of Ripple Effect for members of his mosque. Research has revealed that even before the contentious video came out, one in four British Muslims thought the Government or the Secret Services were responsible for the 7/7 atrocities. Now the number of doubters is growing.

At Friday prayers recently, Dr Naseem asked the congregation to raise their hands if they did not accept the government version of events. Nearly the entire gathering of 150 men and boys did so. He then urged his audience to collect free copies of Ripple Effect at the back of the mosque.
 

A victim is taken away from King's Cross station by emergency personnel

The respected chairman has since said that the identities of the bombers were discovered by the police suspiciously quickly. 'When a body is blown up, it is destroyed. How is it that the identification papers found at the bomb scenes of these men were still intact? Were they planted?'

That is another suggestion in Ripple Effect. So who is behind this dangerous video?

He is 60-year-old Yorkshireman Anthony John Hill who lives in Kells, County Meath, Ireland. He is currently under arrest there and fighting extradition to Britain. Police here want to interview him on a charge of perverting the course of justice after he sent a copy of his video to a jury member in a terrorist case.

Mr Hill made Ripple Effect at his own home and is the narrator.

In many ways, it is an amateurish affair: the dialogue is jumbled and hard to understand. But that begs the question, why is Ripple Effect having such an impact?

The answer is that muddled in with the wild theories of a government plot are some questions that are hard to ignore.

Why did the four bombers get return tickets to London if they were on a one-way suicide mission? Why are there no CCTV images of the four together in London even though the city has thousands upon thousands of such cameras in public places?

Why did so many survivors of the Tube bombings say that the explosions came upwards through the floor of the trains, not down, as would be the case if a backpack blew up inside? And why do no passengers on the London-bound Luton train clearly remember the four bombers with their huge rucksacks on that fateful morning?
 

Some sources say the Government planned the attack

By the most extraordinary coincidence - Ripple Effect says it is a billion-to-one chance - there was a mock terrorist exercise going on in London that day. This was revealed by the organiser and former Scotland Yard officer Peter Power on BBC Radio 5 in the early evening after the atrocity.

He said: 'At half-past nine this morning we were running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.'

And what of the menacing suicide videos that Khan and Tanweer made before the bombings, which were released on the internet after the attacks? The Ripple Effect video has an answer for this, too.

Mr Hill explains on it: 'The oldest would be asked to make a "suicide video" prior to the mock training exercise in order to make it as realistic as possible... the second oldest would also be asked to make a similar video, as a back-up, just in case anything went wrong or the oldest pulled out of the exercise before the date.'

Fact or fiction, it does not matter. The impact of the video is swaying Muslim feeling. The BBC2 documentary shows worshippers in the Birmingham mosque commenting on 7/7 after seeing Ripple Effect. One elderly man states: 'There can be little doubt that the Government did this themselves to these four young men.'

Another adds: 'We have been deceived by the British authorities, and Muslims have been framed for these attacks. They are lying from A to Z.'

Few are more concerned than Rachel North, the King's Cross Tube bomb survivor, about Ripple Effect and the discontent it is stirring up: 'If people in mosques think the Government is so antagonistic towards them, that they're actually willing to frame them for a monstrous crime they didn't commit, what does that do to levels of trust? That is a problem for everybody in this country.'

She says the video's central tenet - that 7/7 was faked to demonise Muslims and sway public opinion in favour of the 'war on terror' - is like throwing petrol on a fire.

Like her, many responsible people - and they include former Scotland Yard deputy assistant commissioner Brian Paddick, former anti-terror chief of London police Andy Hayman (who oversaw the police response to 7/7) and David Davis, until recently Tory Shadow Home Secretary - now support the call for an independent investigation into the bombings.

Paddick himself said this week, the torrent of rumours about 7/7 was harming relations between Muslims and the rest of Britain: 'Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and Whitehall who will realise how important it is that every attempt is made to counteract these conspiracy theories.'

As the fourth anniversary of the London bombings approaches next Tuesday, they are words the Government would be wise to heed.
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Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
« Reply #270 on: July 04, 2009, 04:17:36 PM »
Paddick himself said this week, the torrent of rumours about 7/7 was harming relations between Muslims and the rest of Britain: 'Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and Whitehall who will realise how important it is that every attempt is made to counteract these conspiracy theories.'

As the fourth anniversary of the London bombings approaches next Tuesday, they are words the Government would be wise to heed.

Nope, no more stories, no more hit pieces, no more excuses. Just the truth. If you ENGINEERED a mass murder of innocent people, on 9/11 and 7/7 (and 11/3 Madrid, and Bali, and Mumbai) just accept it, take the legal consequences, and we can move on with our planet. The truth will out in the end anyway.

Thank you.

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Something that interested me in the BBC hit piece was the story that Benjamin Netanyahu was about to leave his hotel in London, but a local plod advised him not to as there had been a terrorist attack on the underground.

 The BBC is asking us to believe that Netanyahu with his Mossad security new nothing about this until a passing policeman told them? WTF!!!

REMEMBER AT THIS TIME IT WAS STILL BEING REPORTED AS A POWER OUTAGE ON THE UNDERGROUND.

 But the AP article that was also carried by Haaretz appears to tell a different story.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050709002013/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

Strange that all the mainstream media links to this story have disappeared from the internet.

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Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706913.stm    watch the 3 minute video

Now if the BBC had chased Mark Whitby down the street and asked him to explain his comments, it might make more interesting viewing.

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Something that interested me in the BBC hit piece was the story that Benjamin Netanyahu was about to leave his hotel in London, but a local plod advised him not to as there had been a terrorist attack on the underground.

 The BBC is asking us to believe that Netanyahu with his Mossad security new nothing about this until a passing policeman told them? WTF!!!

REMEMBER AT THIS TIME IT WAS STILL BEING REPORTED AS A POWER OUTAGE ON THE UNDERGROUND.

 But the AP article that was also carried by Haaretz appears to tell a different story.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050709002013/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

Strange that all the mainstream media links to this story have disappeared from the internet.


I seem to recall that in the hit piece that because some one from the israeli embassy / mossad has made a retraction that suddenly its all not true . . .

Well that is not evidence, just like Peter Power going on air to deny it all....

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Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
« Reply #274 on: July 04, 2009, 08:08:16 PM »
Paddick himself said this week, the torrent of rumours about 7/7 was harming relations between Muslims and the rest of Britain: 'Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and Whitehall who will realise how important it is that every attempt is made to counteract these conspiracy theories.'

As the fourth anniversary of the London bombings approaches next Tuesday, they are words the Government would be wise to heed.

O dear... they are really going all out to link us with islamic extremists... they are definately conditioning the public for something... something which may go down on the fourth 7/7 anniversary... Something tells me I should leave this 95,000 square mile concentration camp we call the United Kingdom...
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Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
« Reply #275 on: July 04, 2009, 09:02:04 PM »
O dear... they are really going all out to link us with Islamic extremists... they are definitely conditioning the public for something... something which may go down on the fourth 7/7 anniversary... Something tells me I should leave this 95,000 square mile concentration camp we call the United Kingdom...

I would if I could
I fled America post 911.

Anyone in a high risk area should reconsider moving, I would most definitely get out of London and the Thames Valley. They are not the only hotspots in the UK, it should not be to hard to figure out were you live is on balance a bad risk.

Some places are really, really dangerous... others are dangerous and some areas are low risk.

These noises in the press, building up a group to demonize post a false flag attack are known modus operandi of the NWO. Now I'm no psychic or a great prophet from the old testament. But i can see things that make me nervous with justification.

Before 911 the average person had not head of Bin Laden or Al CIA-da. The coverage was at a similar level and quality and quantity to what we are seeing now.

That is not the only reason, a big reason is that it is clear that the whole "War On Terror" has run out of steam. It has run its course, and if they do not switch tactics they are in danger that the illusion of the war will be revealed to the public. Now I do not mean that everyone will suddenly wake up, but what I can forsee is that can not keep this running for years like they did with the cold war.

Next, motive for plotting summat, is that they need something to blame the economic collapse that has nothing to do with the Banks. I say this because if they pull off some really big stunt, and then the economy goes down the tubes people will blame the so called terrorists. They will forget the Banks started it all and are actually responsible.

Then there is the whole European Empire running on the Euro, and the UK running on the pound, and it being political suicide for any party or politician to dump the pound in favour of the Euro. Well, post some big attack with a collapsed economy that will be a completely different scenario.

Well I can see what the end game is,

ID Cards
Silence Critics
Euro replaces Pound

What we do not know is the exact target, or the exact date. I appreciate that naming dates has a bad reputation on conspiracy websites, so i wont give a date prediction. I will point out that some calendar events can be factored into a prediction by deduction, but that will not give a day month or hour. For example, an educated guess could be made of the next election date, but not with certainty.

What I would stick my neck out and predict, is deducible by things like the background noise they have been generating in there media. Why has did the BBC put in the time and the effort making all those hit piece documentaries when they could have ignored them and not given them the publicity ?

Folks as a group I think we should start calling ourselves "The Oswalds", because like Lee Harvey Oswald, we are gonna get the blame along with possibly Christian fundamentalists and racists. Just like in Blackjack.



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Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

:(

That reminds me about the joke about the Dealy Piazza Book Depository in the JFK Assassination Museum,
its really truthfully accurate because Lee Harvey Oswald's not there...

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Jean Charles de Menezes..

Almost like WTC 7 of the 7/7 attacks. There was absolutely no need to bring him down.
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Yes, but they don't like living witnesses!

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Yes, but they don't like living witnesses!

They certainly do not!! Look back to all the "eye witnesses" within a 10ft radius to the motorcade for JFK whom all died within a few years after his assassination.... leave no rock unturned!!  :-\

Here are some very relevant 7/7 videos exposing this massive cover-up false flag operation for what it is!!

The Truth behind the bombings in London 7/7

....and.... one more series;

7/7 Mind the Gap - London Bombings

!!! KEEP THE TRUTH ALIVE !!!

Enjoy  ;)

-Chris