Alex interviews David Icke

[Sub-X]

Have to say David Icke is quite interesting, UNTIL he begins
harping on our "Reptile Brain" and other metaphysical theories.
Alex has the theme from "Outer Limits" he uses once in awhile
for bumper music, and it should be played in the background
when Icke starts on his "Reptile Brain".
Back in the '60s I knew a lot of people who were "hippies".
They spent their time experimenting with drugs, and they
talked about EXACTLY this same kind of stuff.
Now while average, hard-working, down-to-earth Patriots
are trying to make heads or tails out of "Our Reptile Brain",
valuable time may be wasted. It makes no difference
how much you analyze how our "Reptile Brain" supposedly
works, simple, REAL, constructive acts are what is needed
to save this Republic.
We heard that part of the show today and thought we had
mistakenly turned on Art Bell.
"We now return control of your television set to you, until
next time when we venture from the inner mind to...

THE OUTER LIMITS!"

So based on a very tiny amount of the vast subject matter he discusses,you are willing to dismiss him completely,dismiss the fact of the amount of people he has woken up around the world .So your willing to dismiss all of this for 1% something I think Alex and David Icke are equally on par with the amount of work they both do. Alex is a Christian,if non Christians used this sort of mentality he would have far less listeners than he does,and I feel this is the reason Alex doesn't discuss his religion on air.

[akston]

David Icke is seeking to expand his (and your) frame of reference. We cannot conceptualise that which is outside our current sphere of reality, which is our mental prison.

Usually, the more knowledgeable a person is in the logic of our virtual reality, the more stubbornly rooted they are in it - our intelligence being like an attorney who will argue the clients case regardless of fact, and the better the attorney the more likely they will win the argument and vindicate their position. A thoroughly vicious cycle.

Oh come on. As Bermas might say, let's put the big boy pants on. If Icke wants to speculate wildly about metaphysics, he might want to start coughing up a couple shreds of evidence rather than airily pontificating about how the electromagnetic spectrum extends beyond the visible range.

Yeah, guess how we figured that out? OBSERVATION through the medium of instrumentation.

So the onus is on Mr. Icke, as it is on all who make some sort of positive statement, to provide some evidence to show why they think that is a valid premise. That's the scientific method. Until such is forthcoming, my premise is that he's utilizing the conman's method. Based on historical precedent, cf. snake oil salesmen.

Note: 'I feel this to be true' loses the argument since it is nonverifiable. I could feel the exact opposite and unless we agree on some objective, verifiable reality, there's little ground on which to carry the discussion forward. In that sort of situation, the only recourse is to authority or force. That's why a subjectivist metaphysics is diametrically opposed to a politics of individual rights, which seeks to ground its ideas in natural laws.

[akston]

To play devils advocate here [snipsnip] ... [I see] lots of David Icke is nuts etc etc becuase of his Reptillian stance. Unfortunately time and time again I see very little counter arguments made that actual counter his theory in an evidential way.

Why the hell would we bother countering such tripe? The onus, again, is on someone making a positive statement. Otherwise I could tell you I'm the Ayatollah, but I've had plastic surgery, and dare you to disprove it. Where would that get us?

So - if he or his supporters produce some credible evidence that reptilian space aliens walk among us, then we can have that discussion. Taking note of the primitive brain stem's functions, sadly, does not lead to such a fantastic conclusion no matter how far one attempts to stretch the metaphor. Some other culture could call it the 'birdbrain', in which case we'd presumably think invisible alien birds walk among us by Icke's lights.

I'm just saying we should talk about something that's real. For instance, anyone notice the article in the Globe and Mail today about how African women are discovering they've been sterilized by their doctors? At least there's anecdotal evidence, pictures, video available through the media. You know - the actual tools of the Infowar.

[Godsent]

I will have to listen to Alex's interview with David Icke again sometime... it's interesting, but also I can't focus on it 100% (work)... the thing that I notice, that is really something I appreciate about Alex, is that he's always very respectful to his guests, (contrast Alex with someone like Hannity or O'Reilly for the complete opposite example),  and he always finds their particular points of expertise to highlight.  I think David Icke has a lot of good insights, and I'm glad Alex has him on.

I agree, I feel the same way about Jordan maxwell. Also

[CigarsNBourbon]

Why the hell would we bother countering such tripe? The onus, again, is on someone making a positive statement. Otherwise I could tell you I'm the Ayatollah, but I've had plastic surgery, and dare you to disprove it. Where would that get us?

So - if he or his supporters produce some credible evidence that reptilian space aliens walk among us, then we can have that discussion. Taking note of the primitive brain stem's functions, sadly, does not lead to such a fantastic conclusion no matter how far one attempts to stretch the metaphor. Some other culture could call it the 'birdbrain', in which case we'd presumably think invisible alien birds walk among us by Icke's lights.

I'm just saying we should talk about something that's real. For instance, anyone notice the article in the Globe and Mail today about how African women are discovering they've been sterilized by their doctors? At least there's anecdotal evidence, pictures, video available through the media. You know - the actual tools of the Infowar.

Sorry to say but this is the viewpoint of things, we think may be abusrd, we claim the sheeple have.

[John Galt]

I had to miss Alex's interview with David Icke earlier today, and I just remembered! So, I just did a 1-day advanced search on "David Icke", and this appears to be the best or most active board. I haven't read any of the posts, and I haven't yet listened to the interview. I'll listen to it as I fall asleep, and will comment later. In the meantime, I'm just here to bump lizard talk until tomorrow

[mym]

Hello,

You can't just jump into politics without first getting your philosophy straight, since politics is preceeded by philosophy and depends on it. Angry

shhs don't tell that to the NWO lol


There are some things that David Icke says are cool...but some are ridiculous. 

I like the "Quickening" video...is interesting....but there is still weirdness...sure the "imprisoned camp" that we are in....he says to leave out religion, culture, etc. (like a repeat of Independence Day) and then says to unite Jew, Muslims, Christians, etc....and I do know that certain things he suggests go against many religions....sounds hypocritical and he leaves out God in the equation and majority on this planet believes in God.


overall, he sounds good politically, but other than that,...strange


mym

[Scootle]

Everything David Icke says about the reptilian brain, the holographic universe, dark matter and dark energy, things outside the visible light spectrum etc spectrum makes sense and I agreed with 99% of the stuff he talked about in that interview.

However there's just one problem ...

We may not be able to see things just outside our frequency range ... but we can detect them ... using infrared and UV cameras and things.

If there are things just outside the visible light spectrum that we can neither see or touch, shouldn't we be able to detect them using these instruments?

The theory that ghosts/gods/UFOs/reptiles and other paranormal things are composed of a different form of matter and operate just outside of the visible light spectrum is a perfectly plausible explanation but there's no evidence of anyone actually catching anything on a thermal or UV image.

[PTTurboe]

Why does every creation myth have a reptile?

Bible and the Serpent

Chinese and Japanese Royalty came from Dragons

Maya and Inca and Aztec all have feathered serpents

The list goes on and on....

Plus, we live in an electric universe, not a gravity based universe.

You all need to see the big picture...

[twitterbell]

Why does every creation myth have a reptile?

Bible and the Serpent

Chinese and Japanese Royalty came from Dragons

Maya and Inca and Aztec all have feathered serpents

The list goes on and on....

Plus, we live in an electric universe, not a gravity based universe.

You all need to see the big picture...

Based on my understanding, the sepent is a symbolic repesentation of the intellect. If you have 30 hours or so, the mystery babylon series that Bill Copper did goes into this extensively.

[Godsent]

I just listened to it, He might have a point. If we are descendants of the first earth age, "The dinosaurs" Other than that, I am not sure if the human came first are the reptile, If it was the human, the reptiles have part of us in them and not the other way around. 

[PTTurboe]

Maybe they are from the lower 4th dimension...

[RoadRunner]

Have to say David Icke is quite interesting, UNTIL he begins
harping on our "Reptile Brain" and other metaphysical theories.
Alex has the theme from "Outer Limits" he uses once in awhile
for bumper music, and it should be played in the background
when Icke starts on his "Reptile Brain".
Back in the '60s I knew a lot of people who were "hippies".
They spent their time experimenting with drugs, and they
talked about EXACTLY this same kind of stuff.
Now while average, hard-working, down-to-earth Patriots
are trying to make heads or tails out of "Our Reptile Brain",
valuable time may be wasted. It makes no difference
how much you analyze how our "Reptile Brain" supposedly
works, simple, REAL, constructive acts are what is needed
to save this Republic.
We heard that part of the show today and thought we had
mistakenly turned on Art Bell.
"We now return control of your television set to you, until
next time when we venture from the inner mind to...

THE OUTER LIMITS!"

yeah

but i still like listening to david icke talk about that kinda stuff,
im glad to see others with a similar to my own understanding of consciousness

[Xill]

To be honest, I would much prefer hearing a discussion between Gary Bell and Alan Watt than one between A.Jones and David Icke. Both Jones and Icke are victims of their own popularity, therefore have to make compromise and thus, fail to push their subjects objectively. They do not explore 1% of the available information on anything they talked about.

But the most interesting thing they said was about the human mind, how the mind uses words to express soul and body intuition/thoughts and how the English vocabulary has been reduced and we are all victims of this (even on this forum you can see how poor we are at expressing ourselves). Eventually, when your mind is so poor that it can express anything else than regurgitated propaganda, you give up thinking by yourself, which is the main problem with modern society.

Until people start reading again and start gaining back the lost vocabulary and improving their language, I do not believe that you will see any positive social changes that carry any real impact on society. If our thoughts remain the same, based on the same perception of reality, how can we expect the manifestation of them in society to change. This is the real weapon that has been turned against us, our ability to formulate has been seriously injured and is now being transformed according to the Illuminati agenda.

This ties in of course with individuality versus collectivity and the current crisis between the individual and his society.

[Penners]

The "reptilian brain" has absolutely nothing to do with talk of reptiles/aliens ect.  As a psychotherapist, I've studied a good bit about the brain and try to teach my clients the parts relevant to their plight.

Anyway. Here is a nice article that I think explains it pretty well.

http://www.eruptingmind.com/reptilian-brain-triune-model/

[lensecap]

A question for everyone regarding this: Did anyone else fall else fall asleep during the second hour of this interview? This is the 2nd/3rd time I've fallen asleep during a David Icke interview...could this be some sort of hypnotic device to "talk to" our subconscious in a more effective way? Now that would be impressive!!

I'm sure it was probably the thunderstorm which lowered the temperature and made me sleepy, but it would be fascinating if others had a similar experience.

Ummm... I didn't think anything of it until you said something... yeah I fell asleep...
I don't like Icke and his silly reptilian theories... I think Alex risks discrediting himself having him on the show.
And it really hurts to have to say that.  I'm sure Alex has rationalized it for himself, but I sure wish he would explain just why this guy is important to the freedom movement talking about imaginary reptilians beings from another world.
Don't get me wrong... I'm sure there is life out there... but why would they come all the way to earth to get in to politics???   

[EvadingGrid]

Quick question,

When and Where can I hear / see David Icke Speak ?

I looked on his website and forum but did not find his Tour Dates.

[Xill]

but why would they come all the way to earth to get in to politics???   

Icke talks about inter-dimensional beings, reptilian souls incarnating in human bodies, not space travelling.

Anyway, why care about that? We need to focus on who we really are as a person, not who the "others" are. David Icke believe they are Reptilians in human body, he has all the rights to do so. Haven't you ever been convinced of something? I've been convinced since I'm a small kid that sound was the most destructive and creative force in the universe, I could be wrong, but in my guts and intuition I am still convinced the universe is held together by harmony and sound vibrations, and that the word of God is "music". I have the right to tell you my belief and your free to ignore or disregard as pure garbage.

[Scootle]

As I said in another thread... more than half of americans believe in an invisible man in the sky who created the world in seven days and impregnated a virgin who gave birth to a guy who could walk on water, heal the sick, raise the dead, feed and entire village with a small basket of bread and fish and come back to life after being crucified ... and they call him the crazy one?!

I'm not knocking religion but how exactly is what christians believe any different from what Icke believes. I sometimes feel Alex's christian beliefs discredit him sometimes but thats fine... noones perfect. People have a right to believe what they want and they have a right to stand up for their beliefs as long as they're not violent. And I mean compared to some of the other religions out there *cough*scientology*cough* i'd say what Icke believes is pretty plausible by comparison.

David Icke is important because he travels all over the world giving lectures which sell out pretty much every time ... he exposes alot of important illuminati/ nwo stuff and when he goes further into slightly weirder stuff he tells his audience that he's not trying to convince people that "this is right"; he tells them to only go as far into it as they feel comfortable with. He's one of the most active and effective infowarriors out there.

[RoadRunner]

Ummm... I didn't think anything of it until you said something... yeah I fell asleep...
I don't like Icke and his silly reptilian theories... I think Alex risks discrediting himself having him on the show.
And it really hurts to have to say that.  I'm sure Alex has rationalized it for himself, but I sure wish he would explain just why this guy is important to the freedom movement talking about imaginary reptilians beings from another world.
Don't get me wrong... I'm sure there is life out there... but why would they come all the way to earth to get in to politics???   

david icke has a very indepth understanding of his mind, hes sees the world in a very different manner then you. religions call it enlightenment.

to a man that hasnt gone through the spiritual journey that david has been on, the whole thing seems ridiculous, but to people who have broken through their logic and belief systems, its pretty exciting.

alex jones is very clearly enlightened, and so is david icke, so these discussions are very meaningful and important to them, and others like them.

its like two people discussing how to skateboard, if you can't skate, the conversation seems boring.

[Dok]

religions call it enlightenment.

so does the UN, but they call it illumination.

[lensecap]

OK well I guess I should have read some things before I posted.
I'm glad I found this thread cause most of what you find out on the net about Icke (at least at first search) is all about alien races.  Even folks who post on his websites forum are talking about alien races... so that's why I said that about beings from another world or whatever...  well I have learned a lot in the last 30 minutes thanks to the great links people have posted here... I have never heard of the primitave area of our brains called the reptilian brain... I really had no idea... thank you government school!!  Anyway, I have to take back what I said about Alex discrediting himself by having Icke on... I knew he had some reason... next time I will research more before I post.  


EDIT:
BTW I bet this is why Alex said the reptilian theory was a turd in the punchbowl and later apologized...
so Alex, could you lighten up a bit on those of us who have a hard time with this at first?  Thanks.

[mym]

Hello,

Reptilian .....is really far fetched though...nothing is documented proof..theories and that is all Darwism had as well and now he is discredited thanks to Science....who knows how far he will take this thing.

As I said in another thread... more than half of americans believe in an invisible man in the sky who created the world in seven days and impregnated a virgin who gave birth to a guy who could walk on water, heal the sick, raise the dead, feed and entire village with a small basket of bread and fish and come back to life after being crucified ... and they call him the crazy one?!

lol I don't believe that my Creator is anything having human qualities.  No one has seen Him, no one knows what He sounds like or has heard Him (except in a few religions like Judaism Christianity and Islam Moses and Mohammad~but only in voice)...in the Bible it states that no one has ever seen Him or heard Him...so guess that is another contradiction for the Book.

anyways...alien research to me would be a waste of people's money and time....we did not come or evolve through animals or reptiles etc....nor from aliens...isn't proven at all.  Theories

[twitterbell]

Here is interesting info on the reptillian brain by David Icke:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles14.htm

[mym]

Why not just call them Zionists lol...they are animals and we have enough brains to realize this.

[akston]

...

But the most interesting thing they said was about the human mind, how the mind uses words to express soul and body intuition/thoughts and how the English vocabulary has been reduced and we are all victims of this (even on this forum you can see how poor we are at expressing ourselves). Eventually, when your mind is so poor that it can express anything else than regurgitated propaganda, you give up thinking by yourself, which is the main problem with modern society.

Until people start reading again and start gaining back the lost vocabulary and improving their language, I do not believe that you will see any positive social changes that carry any real impact on society. If our thoughts remain the same, based on the same perception of reality, how can we expect the manifestation of them in society to change. This is the real weapon that has been turned against us, our ability to formulate has been seriously injured and is now being transformed according to the Illuminati agenda.

This ties in of course with individuality versus collectivity and the current crisis between the individual and his society.

Yes... and what's more, it's the degraded understanding of how concepts are formed and held by the human mind that has major consequences on our culture. Remember the movie Reality Bites with Winona Ryder? There's this brilliant scene where she's being interviewed for a job, and the guy asks her to define irony. She fumbles around and in the end says, I know it to see it. Then she runs into a friend and asks him the same question. He goes, oh, yeah, irony is the incongruity between what's expected or meant and what actually happens or is said.

The Winona Ryder approach to concepts (epistemology) is the kind shared by most academic philosophers after Wittgenstein. I had to look it up to make sure I got that definition right, too, I'm nothing special. But I bet you Jefferson wouldn't have had to reach for his dictionary for such a simple concept. They used to teach us how to think, didn't they? If not, that's what the focus should be on, not making you feel special or indoctrinating you in ecology. We have to learn how to think or we're sheep.

So, yeah, the point is if we don't even know the meanings of the words we use except in some kind of vague subconscious way we are so open to manipulation it's terrifying. For example: can anyone out there define what a human right is? Is it anything you want it to be, or does it have a specific identity? And what's the process we should be using to figure out the meaning of words?

The antidote I always recommend, as a starting point, is Leonard Peikoff's 'An Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology', available as a paperback. It's been good to me. Fourteen bucks! How do we know what we know? An essential tool in the infowarrior's arsenal.

[clearmyst]

If that's the way you want to see it. I like his way of paying the bills. Why do you care? New Agers Jordanus Maximimus and Freeman... sheesh. I think Freeman's way of paying the bills is very similar come to think of it. He sells CDs of his talks. He accepts the charity of others.

Again why do you care how Watt supports himself?

Freeman does not threaten to go off air if you dont pay him or bitch out listeners who download the podcast and do not donate to him(he always cries about thousands of downloads and fewer donates, thats what you get for making it free!) and I say let him go f**k off and make his millions, he offers nothing new that others have not covered better.

[Xill]

Yes... and what's more, it's the degraded understanding of how concepts are formed and held by the human mind that has major consequences on our culture. Remember the movie Reality Bites with Winona Ryder? There's this brilliant scene where she's being interviewed for a job, and the guy asks her to define irony. She fumbles around and in the end says, I know it to see it. Then she runs into a friend and asks him the same question. He goes, oh, yeah, irony is the incongruity between what's expected or meant and what actually happens or is said.

The Winona Ryder approach to concepts (epistemology) is the kind shared by most academic philosophers after Wittgenstein. I had to look it up to make sure I got that definition right, too, I'm nothing special. But I bet you Jefferson wouldn't have had to reach for his dictionary for such a simple concept. They used to teach us how to think, didn't they? If not, that's what the focus should be on, not making you feel special or indoctrinating you in ecology. We have to learn how to think or we're sheep.

So, yeah, the point is if we don't even know the meanings of the words we use except in some kind of vague subconscious way we are so open to manipulation it's terrifying. For example: can anyone out there define what a human right is? Is it anything you want it to be, or does it have a specific identity? And what's the process we should be using to figure out the meaning of words?

The antidote I always recommend, as a starting point, is Leonard Peikoff's 'An Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology', available as a paperback. It's been good to me. Fourteen bucks! How do we know what we know? An essential tool in the infowarrior's arsenal.

Thanks for the reply, I totally agree with you. Also thanks for the book suggestion! I'll check it out soon. I'm currently concentrating on literature from early 20th century; I've just been blown away by the "Steppenwolf" (1927) from Herman Hesse.
http://www.amazon.com/Steppenwolf-Novel-Hermann-Hesse/dp/0805012478

I have not seen the movie you mention...

[clearmyst]

He really is like a broken a record

"the big boys wrote about in their books;"(quigley, russell, etc..)yawn....
"you need to keep donating so you can bring me to you" what, so you can read us articles of the net! I'm not paying shit for that

[heavyhebrew]

David Icke: "[Our junk DNA has been manipulated by Reptilian gods so that we can't see the higher vibrational levels where they live]"

Uh, thanks for clearing that up David. Citation?

Why are we giving this guy a platform? His raving drives me up a wall.

Then exercise some personal responsibility and turn it off. I find Icke's theories completely and 100% bull^&%# but done in a highly entertaining manner.

Besides, wasn't it Icke who gave us the idea of Problem>Reaction>Solution?

[Freeski]

Then exercise some personal responsibility and turn it off. I find Icke's theories completely and 100% bull^&%# but done in a highly entertaining manner.

Besides, wasn't it Icke who gave us the idea of Problem>Reaction>Solution?

So what's your take on problem reaction solution?

[heavyhebrew]

So what's your take on problem reaction solution?

I like it. Simple, straight forward, common sense. The 100% BS I get from Icke is his esoterica. Heck, I love Freeman's stuff even if I do not believe almost all of it (I believe his fun & play idea for how humanity is supposed to be). And just because I do not believe what Icke is saying doesn't preclude the fact that he makes for a great speaker. Besides, it is fun to flex your head and use a little imagination.

[EvadingGrid]

I like it. Simple, straight forward, common sense. The 100% BS I get from Icke is his esoterica. Heck, I love Freeman's stuff even if I do not believe almost all of it (I believe his fun & play idea for how humanity is supposed to be). And just because I do not believe what Icke is saying doesn't preclude the fact that he makes for a great speaker. Besides, it is fun to flex your head and use a little imagination.

Ditto

[akston]

Thanks for the reply, I totally agree with you. Also thanks for the book suggestion! I'll check it out soon. I'm currently concentrating on literature from early 20th century; I've just been blown away by the "Steppenwolf" (1927) from Herman Hesse.
http://www.amazon.com/Steppenwolf-Novel-Hermann-Hesse/dp/0805012478

I have not seen the movie you mention...

Not a problem... Apparently Steppenwolfe is a retelling of the tale of Siddartha (there's also a pretty good recent movie by that name). I'll have to read the Hesse again sometime.

"The river, the river/ love and life are deep/ even as his skies are wide" - Tom Sawyer