Linux Kernel Creator: Switches the kernel to a "new world order."

[Lucian Solaris]

Boy you sure are ignorant aren't you LoL.

When you buy 98% of boxed software, it comes with something called an EULA (End User License Agreement, AKA CONTRACT).  The IP holder (usually the developing company) claims all rights on that software and that you have no rights, not even to execute, until you AGREE CONTRACTUALLY to the EULA, at which you are given the LICENSE (PERMISSION) by the IP holder to USE said software in accordance with your contract (EULA).

Don't misunderstand this here: Software licensed under the GPL technically and legally is equal to that of proprietary software in regards to the IP holder's rights.  What makes GNU/Linux and other software under the GPL unique is that the contract associated with it gives you pretty much all the rights to do what you see fit with the software so long as you meet certain conditions.  The big condition is that you may modify and redistribute the software, but ONLY if you provide the source code and the GPL AS WELL.

'software without a licence' so if I make a software and decide not to make a license, are you going to 'phone the authorities' on me ? because you're so high and mighty make sure all the software you use has the type of license that makes you feel good before you use it.

[wvoutlaw2002]

Don't misunderstand this here: Software licensed under the GPL technically and legally is equal to that of proprietary software in regards to the IP holder's rights.  What makes GNU/Linux and other software under the GPL unique is that the contract associated with it gives you pretty much all the rights to do what you see fit with the software so long as you meet certain conditions.  The big condition is that you may modify and redistribute the software, but ONLY if you provide the source code and the GPL AS WELL.

Exactly. You can take GPL source code and modify it into different source code and keep it GPL and open-source, but you're not allowed to take GPL source code and alter the source code and claim yours is closed-source and proprietary.

[EvadingGrid]

Boy you sure are ignorant aren't you LoL.

When you buy 98% of boxed software, it comes with something called an EULA (End User License Agreement, AKA CONTRACT).  The IP holder (usually the developing company) claims all rights on that software and that you have no rights, not even to execute, until you AGREE CONTRACTUALLY to the EULA, at which you are given the LICENSE (PERMISSION) by the IP holder to USE said software in accordance with your contract (EULA).

Don't misunderstand this here: Software licensed under the GPL technically and legally is equal to that of proprietary software in regards to the IP holder's rights.  What makes GNU/Linux and other software under the GPL unique is that the contract associated with it gives you pretty much all the rights to do what you see fit with the software so long as you meet certain conditions.  The big condition is that you may modify and redistribute the software, but ONLY if you provide the source code and the GPL AS WELL.

I did not take the original post that seriously, like how could some one be posting so much stuff on this thread and not understand Copyright Law, Software Licences and the GPL . . . .

Still it would explain an awful lot of the earlier posts on this thread if some of the posters really was genuinely that ignorant.

I just do not know if some of these posters are not old enough to know better, or just plain retarded. Its hard to judge on a forum, especially with the short posts of awful grammar. I could jump to the conclusion that short awful posts equates to low iq and to much fluroride, but you never know if its dyslexia or if english is foreign language.

[Lucian Solaris]

Yea people, you don't own* the software you run!  It's all licenses to use based on contract law.  The GPL forces certain rights to be transferred to users and dampens the power of monopolies in software from cornering the software market (market of userbase, not money, in most instances).  Micro$hit's licenses are all least privileged and designed to extract the greatest profit while giving you as little as the mean of you-all (think german word ihr) are willing to accept.

EDIT: *own: exception: software you wrote.  ADDENDUM: The GPL doesn't make the name and logo free to be owned by anyone, only software.  So if you run linux then you own most of the code, just not the brandings, and you only own the code if you keep it licensed under the GPL, as a condition in the contract (GPL) you entered into.

[EvadingGrid]

Yea people, you don't own* the software you run!  It's all licenses to use based on contract law.  The GPL forces certain rights to be transferred to users and dampens the power of monopolies in software from cornering the software market (market of userbase, not money, in most instances).  Micro$hit's licenses are all least privileged and designed to extract the greatest profit while giving you as little as the mean of you-all (think german word ihr) are willing to accept.

EDIT: *own: exception: software you wrote.  ADDENDUM: The GPL doesn't make the name and logo free to be owned by anyone, only software.  So if you run linux then you own most of the code, just not the brandings, and you only own the code if you keep it licensed under the GPL, as a condition in the contract (GPL) you entered into.

I get a strange feeling that I might be almost the only person round here who writes software.

Do you ever get that feeling ?

[Monkeypox]

I did not take the original post that seriously, like how could some one be posting so much stuff on this thread and not understand Copyright Law, Software Licences and the GPL . . . .

Still it would explain an awful lot of the earlier posts on this thread if some of the posters really was genuinely that ignorant.

I just do not know if some of these posters are not old enough to know better, or just plain retarded. Its hard to judge on a forum, especially with the short posts of awful grammar. I could jump to the conclusion that short awful posts equates to low iq and to much fluroride, but you never know if its dyslexia or if english is foreign language.

I hate to say it, but there were several mistakes in your post.

 

[Lucian Solaris]

Calling me a programmer would be like calling someone who uses pot once or twice a year in a social setting a pothead.

I get a strange feeling that I might be almost the only person round here who writes software.

Do you ever get that feeling ?

[EvadingGrid]

I hate to say it, but there were several mistakes in your post.

 

Dsylexia or english spelling .. . ..    ?

[EvadingGrid]

Calling me a programmer would be like calling someone who uses pot once or twice a year in a social setting a pothead.

Ah but if you can code and have used multiple languages it does make you qualified to speak. Just like if you have used mulitple OS not just the current Mac/BSD/Linux versus Windows. 

What I'm driving at is that simply repeating opinions that one has read in a magazine or on-line does not cut it with me. It is down right irritating to hear just echos of ideas. In particular I would recall the mentioning of SCO fiasco on this thread. We had people doing that clearly do not understand anything regarding a software licence.

[Lucian Solaris]

*Beep Beep Beeeeeeeeeeeeee...*

"Code Blue!  Code Blue!  Full Power!"

...

"CLEAR!"

*...eeee WHUMP Beep Beep Beep Beeeeeeeeeee...*

...

"CLEAR!"

*...eeee WHUMP Beep Beep Beep Beep Beep*

/devilpost

[vCFy7W3SFb]

linblows sux0rs dude

[EvadingGrid]

linblows sux0rs dude

Can anyone translate this into english ?

    

[Lucian Solaris]

Translation: "I'm a homo dude."

Can anyone translate this into english ?

    

[EvadingGrid]

Translation: "I'm a homo dude."

That makes sense     

[vCFy7W3SFb]

ill hax your box n00x now listen up im an elite hacker with ubuntu lunix installed !

[TimeLady]

ill hax your box n00x now listen up im an elite hacker with ubuntu lunix installed !

u can never find my ip address

IF YOU HAVE AN IP ADDRESS YOU ARE BROADCASTING ALL YOUR INFORMATION TO THE INTERNET. TYPE IN CMD WINDOW IPCONFIG /RELEASE TO KILL YOUR IP ADDRESS.

[EvadingGrid]

ill hax your box n00x now listen up im an elite hacker with ubuntu lunix installed !

(q) learn to use english.
(w) do not issue threats - see forum rules
(e) it is illegal to 'hack' some one elses computer
(r) ubuntu is not called n00b-untu for nothing
(t) you are not a real hacker
(y) gentlemen do not threaten ladies

What Is a Hacker?

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.

See Hackers HowTo

[vCFy7W3SFb]

(q) learn to use english.
(w) do not issue threats - see forum rules
(e) it is illegal to 'hack' some one elses computer
(r) ubuntu is not called n00b-untu for nothing
(t) you are not a real hacker
(y) gentlemen do not threaten ladies

What Is a Hacker?

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.

See Hackers HowTo

linux is NOT windows. how many times do we have to tell you.
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

[Lucian Solaris]

QWERTY? LoL!

The same physical sequence of keys on my keyboard are

' , . p y f

Can you guess the layout?



EDIT: I would call myself a cracker before I would call myself a ni... i mean hacker
/joke

(q) learn to use english.
(w) do not issue threats - see forum rules
(e) it is illegal to 'hack' some one elses computer
(r) ubuntu is not called n00b-untu for nothing
(t) you are not a real hacker
(y) gentlemen do not threaten ladies

What Is a Hacker?

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.

See Hackers HowTo

[EvadingGrid]

QWERTY? LoL!

The same physical sequence of keys on my keyboard are

' , . p y f

Can you guess the layout?

I'll private message you the answer 

[Lucian Solaris]

CORRECT!

I am a Dvorak-typing Linux user!

So not only do I use free software, my fingers are traveling 1/8-1/4 the distance daily by using Dvorak instead of Qwerty.

Yea, in a typical 8 hour shift for a professional typist, his fingers will have traveled an estimated 16-18 miles.  Thanks to the more efficient key layout of the Dvorak keyboard, that same typist's fingers would only have traveled 2-4 miles.

Think of the stress I'm saving with this layout!  It is freakin' great.

BTW, my kb is not ANSI DVORAK but is custom.  I rearranged my Qwerty kb on my laptop to match ANSI DVORAK, except arranging the numbers in classical Dvorak instead (all even numbers on right hand, all odd numbers on left, value increases by +2 from center to outside exept for 9).

dvorak of course....

I'll private message you the answer 

[vCFy7W3SFb]

QWERTY? LoL!

The same physical sequence of keys on my keyboard are

' , . p y f

Can you guess the layout?



EDIT: I would call myself a cracker before I would call myself a ni... i mean hacker
/joke

you're not the only one with a dvorak simplified layout.

[Lucian Solaris]

zOMG you are the second person I know other than myself that uses this layout and isn't listed on Wikipedia!

you're not the only one with a dvorak simplified layout.

[vCFy7W3SFb]

CORRECT!

I am a Dvorak-typing Linux user!

So not only do I use free software, my fingers are traveling 1/8-1/4 the distance daily by using Dvorak instead of Qwerty.

Yea, in a typical 8 hour shift for a professional typist, his fingers will have traveled an estimated 16-18 miles.  Thanks to the more efficient key layout of the Dvorak keyboard, that same typist's fingers would only have traveled 2-4 miles.

Think of the stress I'm saving with this layout!  It is freakin' great.

BTW, my kb is not ANSI DVORAK but is custom.  I rearranged my Qwerty kb on my laptop to match ANSI DVORAK, except arranging the numbers in classical Dvorak instead (all even numbers on right hand, all odd numbers on left, value increases by +2 from center to outside exept for 9).

btw do you enjoy setting your keyboard character map in two places... in your xorg cfg and your bashrc ?

[Lucian Solaris]

They are permanently set.  It really wasn't that hard.  I don't switch between.  I can type on qwerty, poorly, if I warm up for 20 minutes (or get really st0n'd, then my qwerty can come back, but never sober x.x).

I'd love to have this keyboard:
http://www.typematrix.com/dvorak/

And I'd really love to have this one, but it's too expensive:
http://store.ergoguys.com/me3d.html

btw do you enjoy setting your keyboard character map in two places... in your xorg cfg and your bashrc ?

[heavyhebrew]

u can never find my ip address

IF YOU HAVE AN IP ADDRESS YOU ARE BROADCASTING ALL YOUR INFORMATION TO THE INTERNET. TYPE IN CMD WINDOW IPCONFIG /RELEASE TO KILL YOUR IP ADDRESS.

I hope that was unintentional because it makes it more funny that way!

Kids, don't forget to ipconfig /renew!

At the very end of time there will still be three humans arguing over linux vs windows vs mac.

[TimeLady]

I hope that was unintentional because it makes it more funny that way

sarcasm, actually

haven't you seen those banner ads that say YOUR COMPUTER IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS - THIS MAY BE COMPROMISING YOUR SECURITY or something like that?

also, according to "Is Your Son A Computer Hacker," real hackers:

    * Ask you to switch away from AOL in order to circumvent the child safety features.
    * Installs new programs like "Flash".
    * Asks for a new "processor" from AMD.
    * Starts reading books by Eric S. Raymond.
    * Says the word "JPL".
    * Uses Quake.
    * Is obsessed with "Lunix".
    * Starts wearing bright clothing.
    * Says the word cyberpunk.
    * Plays Counter-Strike obsessively.
    * Uploads 'Laughing Skull' viruses to the school maclab network in an attempt to spread the nerd gospel: "MACS SUK!!111".
    * School nurse calls home to complain about your child's poor hygiene.
    * Throws away the mouse, in favor of the much easier and more practical keyboard.
    * Turns the light off whenever he uses the computer.

http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html

[Monkeypox]

The thread that would not die...

 

[vCFy7W3SFb]

sarcasm, actually

haven't you seen those banner ads that say YOUR COMPUTER IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS - THIS MAY BE COMPROMISING YOUR SECURITY or something like that?

also, according to "Is Your Son A Computer Hacker," real hackers:

    * Ask you to switch away from AOL in order to circumvent the child safety features.
    * Installs new programs like "Flash".
    * Asks for a new "processor" from AMD.
    * Starts reading books by Eric S. Raymond.
    * Says the word "JPL".
    * Uses Quake.
    * Is obsessed with "Lunix".
    * Starts wearing bright clothing.
    * Says the word cyberpunk.
    * Plays Counter-Strike obsessively.
    * Uploads 'Laughing Skull' viruses to the school maclab network in an attempt to spread the nerd gospel: "MACS SUK!!111".
    * School nurse calls home to complain about your child's poor hygiene.
    * Throws away the mouse, in favor of the much easier and more practical keyboard.
    * Turns the light off whenever he uses the computer.

http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html

i remember that original article was troll bait and whipped the slashers up in a frenzy

[Yurebis]

I recompiled my kernel the moment I found SElinux was NSA-designed, though now I know that it's not that big of a deal. There is no known backdoor that people are aware of, and the only security concern is that it's easier for third parties to find vulnerabilities to exploit since the code is public. I took it off my kernel just because I have no use for the extra security it can bring me... plus of course, it's from the NSA. Who can honestly say they like the NSA. Perhaps uninformed geeks, but not me. Nuh-uh, not this nerd!

[vCFy7W3SFb]

^
\|/3rD

[Femacamper]

I recompiled my kernel the moment I found SElinux was NSA-designed, though now I know that it's not that big of a deal. There is no known backdoor that people are aware of, and the only security concern is that it's easier for third parties to find vulnerabilities to exploit since the code is public. I took it off my kernel just because I have no use for the extra security it can bring me... plus of course, it's from the NSA. Who can honestly say they like the NSA. Perhaps uninformed geeks, but not me. Nuh-uh, not this nerd!

Can you patch NSA Backdoor (SELinux) out of Linux Mint?

[Infokrieger]

Can you patch NSA Backdoor (SELinux) out of Linux Mint?

Sure. Get a kernel from kernel.org, throw out everything you don't like and compile it.

[vCFy7W3SFb]

Looks like you lunix elitist hackers just 0wned yourselves.

[PplVsNWO]

Can you patch NSA Backdoor (SELinux) out of Linux Mint?

How did the NSA sneak a backdoor in open source code to begin with?  Do you have any proof of this "backdoor"?

[Lucian Solaris]

* Lucian Solaris *.:{ TOUCHES }:.* the thread

[Femacamper]

How did the NSA sneak a backdoor in open source code to begin with?  Do you have any proof of this "backdoor"?

They did it already in Windows, it's purportedly on Mac, is it any far stretch of the imagination that it was implemented in Linux in the NSA's kernel code?

[TimeLady]

They did it already in Windows, it's purportedly on Mac, is it any far stretch of the imagination that it was implemented in Linux in the NSA's kernel code?

So can you point it out?

[Femacamper]

Not exactly, but here's a good starting point.

[Femacamper]

Sure. Get a kernel from kernel.org, throw out everything you don't like and compile it.

Does it matter which kernel version I use? Because my Linux Mint came with 2.6.28-11 generic, and I would like to use the 2.6.3 kernel.