Police tell Christian: It's a CRIME to say 'homosexuality is a sin'

[Mike Philbin]

No, no, no, you would CRUCIFY anyone who came up with a moral code that was against your PERSONAL (or corporate) moral code.

Oh, that already happened in 32 A.D..

Jee-Zus.

[Unintelligable Name]

No, no, no, you would CRUCIFY anyone who came up with a moral code that was against your PERSONAL (or corporate) moral code.

Strawman?

*walks away*

[Mike Philbin]

ChemicalRain,

you're not gonna WALK AWAY with your 'strawman' under your arm.

come right back here.

this is a very important issue.

What is religion? The word of God? You've NO IDEA what your God is, you've no idea what his real word might have been before it was squeezed into the tiny mind of those people who wrote some stuff all those centuries ago.

The Christ Crucified, 'strawman' as you call it, was a valid addition to an otherwise insane conversation about WHY YOU THE MORAL MAJORITY (not that I agree with this statement) think doing a consenting person doing a certain thing to another consenting person is A  f**kING SIN. 

I think your blinkered (no, not blinkered, mind washed) knee-jerk reaction to A BODILY FUNCTION between two consenting adults is A f**kING SIN (according to the arbitrary and personal rules of my non-religion, as you'd put it). See, I just did it, I made your religion a sin and I can do that, using your rules. I don't enjoying it, but you can be beated with your own stick, once disarmed.

I'm offended that there are people in this so-called FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY movement who are as dogmatic and simple as you. Shamed, in fact.

[Unintelligable Name]

I came back to see that you have strawmanned some more!

My religious beliefs could most accurately be described as traditional Buddhist.

Mind washed knee-jerk reaction?

 

[Mike Philbin]

I'll take it all back ... if ... you religious guys agree with me that GOD is merely an opinion, that The Bible is merely a weapon invented by The Authorities, that calling homosexual a 'sin' is just a opinion-based convention that has no base in fact.



Hey, but keep the ridiculous divisiveness going - next stop BANLAND, guys. Like you'll be missed here.

[Voskhod3]

You see, You dont know that it is a sin? Things where made sins for the betterment of humanity.

Yeah!

Like incest used to be OK but now it's a sin.

I get it.

[Mike Philbin]

Screw your arbitrary definition of SIN, it's just garbage - and you can't smell the rotting fish.

You're the sort of people who will string people up who have a f**king hook nose in an Aryan land.

Look, as the mods REFUSE to kick Religious Lunatics off my favourite forum in the world, I'll have to just accept that you're here and I'll try to avoid your ridiculous racist bigoted alienating divisive threads in future.

Happy now?

[DarkKnightNomeD]

Incest was never okay and was not condoned. Why because Lot got drunk and his daughters from Sodom had sexual relations with him? There was no approval of this and it was not commanded.....

 You just want to argue....again. Get a life 

Abraham told his Wife to call him Brother  in public or in private, i cant really remember right now

Abraham was step brother to her through his Dad

or is it Vise Versa

Abraham was step brother to her through his mom

i cant really remember, i think it was through his dad

there was grace, supposedly because it was because it was through his dad,

[DarkKnightNomeD]

To understand Marriage in the bible is to understand

Jacob had 4 wives

But you have to Understand this, You CANNOT be a Deacon, paster, Elder, ect ect , A leader if you multiple wives, you have to Deal to much with the Family troubles
Jealousy, Depression, ect ect, because you dont spend the Same or Equal amount of Time with the other Family/wife

No where in the bible the word POLYGAMY is found

Jacobs women were really 1 WIFE 1 mistress and 2 maids

but Because they had KIDS, they are Considered Married

A Virgin is someone who is of age and can have kids, thats a Virgin, according to the bible

if you come together have sex, have a kid, thats considered becoming one flesh, ie having a kid, making you married

Yes there is Incest in the bible, im not sure if its okay or not, if its ok through grace

WE ALL HAVE 2 EYES, yes you can see that Jacob has 4 wives, and Abraham Married his Step Sister

i really cant tell you whether r its ok or not

your going to have to find someone thats studied the bible for years,

the best way you can START to find that person, is if knowing that they know the True Hebrew name for ""Jesus"" the Hebrew name for ""GOD"", Knowing that ""JESUS"" was not born of a Virgin birth, that they know the PAGAN INJECTIONS within the Bible, and Teachings that they teach you is WRONG, ect ect ect, a bunch of Truths that This MAINSTREAM RELIGIONS will not Teach you

[Unintelligable Name]

You're the sort of people who will string people up who have a f**king hook nose in an Aryan land.

Really? I support people's legal right to say whatever they want. I also don't wish for any legislation to be added or removed from the book when it comes to Homosexuals or Anal sex. I don't believe that laws are the way to go about it -- I think individual communities should lay the groundwork for the type of society they want to live in. Not through force of punishment, but through understanding and a commonality in viewpoint.

A ridiculous statement you have made... you will look back at it a month from now and see how silly you were acting.

I have no desire to call you crazy, backwards, or whatever else you slung at us. We do not condone gays -- you do. Great, leave it at that. This thread is about Freedom of Speech.

[xTruthSeekerx]

paganisim in the bible? wow dude your so out of line

[hyperqube]

To understand Marriage in the bible is to understand

Jacob had 4 wives

But you have to Understand this, You CANNOT be a Deacon, paster, Elder, ect ect , A leader if you multiple wives, you have to Deal to much with the Family troubles
Jealousy, Depression, ect ect, because you dont spend the Same or Equal amount of Time with the other Family/wife

No where in the bible the word POLYGAMY is found

Jacobs women were really 1 WIFE 1 mistress and 2 maids

but Because they had KIDS, they are Considered Married

A Virgin is someone who is of age and can have kids, thats a Virgin, according to the bible

if you come together have sex, have a kid, thats considered becoming one flesh, ie having a kid, making you married

Yes there is Incest in the bible, im not sure if its okay or not, if its ok through grace

WE ALL HAVE 2 EYES, yes you can see that Jacob has 4 wives, and Abraham Married his Step Sister

i really cant tell you whether r its ok or not

your going to have to find someone thats studied the bible for years,

the best way you can START to find that person, is if knowing that they know the True Hebrew name for ""Jesus"" the Hebrew name for ""GOD"", Knowing that ""JESUS"" was not born of a Virgin birth, that they know the PAGAN INJECTIONS within the Bible, and Teachings that they teach you is WRONG, ect ect ect, a bunch of Truths that This MAINSTREAM RELIGIONS will not Teach you

hey what about Solomon and his 700 wives / 300 concubines?

[Sub-X]

one of history's greatest writers, Oscar Wilde, went to gaol for rearward_entry

it's a regularly legal/illegal act depending on the flavour of the decade

this decade, shirt-lifting (as it used to be called) is all the rage - yes, it's the law that it's no longer illegal to have anal sex with a consenting man or a consenting woman. Sorry again, for dealing the arbitrary truth. Man, I'll tell you how f**ked up society is when they start burning WITCHES (aka women) who know a thing or two about 'herbal remedies'. That's a mess.

And, no humanity isn't f**ked, we (as a race) can agree any moral code and use it as our legislation - the definition of legal/illegal is just an agreement. There is not universal moral jurisdiction.

Until recently, for example, Ireland's hard line conservatism on sexual matters meant that it was unacceptable to co-habit or bear children outside of the institution of marriage. Contraception was only available on prescription from a doctor for medical reasons, or for bona fide family planning purposes, until 1985; homosexuality remained illegal until 1993 and the ban on divorce was not lifted until the Family Law (Divorce) Act, 1996, which came into operation in February 1997.

http://www.tcd.ie/childrensresearchcentre/index.php?id=121&prid=9

[DarkKnightNomeD]

hey what about Solomon and his 700 wives / 300 concubines?

israel split in two, cuz solomon went mad

it was north and south israel

the ones following the biblical laws and teachings were opposing solomon

Also if you go into the Apocrypha

you will see that the Spartans are Related to the Jews

must have been one of the Colonies that Solomon Sent through out the land

i think the Spartans were part irish too, i need to find that info, other wise just leave the irish thing out

[xTruthSeekerx]

israel split in two, cuz solomon went mad

it was north and south israel

the ones following the biblical laws and teachings were opposing solomon

Also if you go into the Apocrypha

you will see that the Spartans are Related to the Jews

must have been one of the Colonies that Solomon Sent through out the land

i think the Spartans were part irish too, i need to find that info, other wise just leave the irish thing out

race has nothing to do with anything

[hyperqube]

nad

[DarkKnightNomeD]

Yes Solomon in all his glory was not ordained as well as a flower. His multiple wives and concubines did nothing for him.....

 ugh well they did some things for him... They did make him go a little goofy though.


 The pursuit of the desires of the flesh make many men do unspeakable things.

i really dont know why Solomon went mad, he probably got in to witchcraft , then went straight back into the Pagan ways that the old israelites used to follow , im not sure im just guessing right now

[hyperqube]

let your wives talk you into doing things that........

[Unintelligable Name]

If you want my opinon on Anal sex..... here it is:

Way back when, in feudal Japan, one of the favorite passtimes of Samurai was to sodomize young boys. Why didn't they have vaginal sex with young girls? Why not even anal sex with young girls? Well in my view, this act of sodomy was about humiliation for the young boy, about his loss of control, about the domination of the Samurai. I believe the same thing can be seen with anal rape in prisons between otherwise heterosexual men. It's about shaming, disgracing, defiling the victim. It is my own belief that this sentiment carries over to same sex couples as well as heterosexual couples. In the case of a same sex couple there is the "giver" and the "taker." Generally speaking from gleamed insight the taker is usually the effiminate male, while the giver is the dominate male. As a side note: this same anal sex behaivor is seen in the animal kingdom. Certain monkeys and other various animals will mount the weaker siblings and other pack members and proceed to sodomize them and pretend to sodomize.

In the case of heterosexual couples I feel that it is an act of defilement carried out by the man against the women. It is domination, entering the space "not allowed." Literal pain involved with this act, as I can assert it is not a natural thing to be doing for pleasure. There also carries with it the onset of asking for anal sex -- which in itself is a kind of hunting, a challenge, a game for the male to coerce the female into consent. However as time goes on and the ideas proliferate wider and wider it has become more and more desired by both men and women. Studies demonstrate that anal sex is on the rise with young adults, teenagers, and onwards up into the married couples. This gaining popularity is not by chance or accident, it is due to propaganda and literal brainwashing. All throughout films, television, and music the subliminal messages are placed. Ask anyone on a street what they think of anal sex who has not tried it, embarassment pending they will most likely answer that they are highly interested. Look at the pornographic sites, what is there the most of? Anal sex. Not just anal sex but "First time anal." Coincidence?

While my point is not stated in it's entirity, you get the basics of my opinion. I feel it is a domineering act that carries with it inherent humilitation which I feel is not for me -- what so ever. I also see it as a corruption of an otherwise natural thing to do -- which is sex.

I can assure you I will be having no anal sex in my lifetime, for the reasons stated above and much more.

[DarkKnightNomeD]

race has nothing to do with anything

HAHA!

I. Maccabees - Chapter 12 Apocrypha

20: Areus king of the Lacedemonians to Onias the high priest, greeting:
21: It is found in writing, that the Lacedemonians and Jews are brethren, and that they are of the stock of Abraham:

Part 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-1uBJqJBrg
Part 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfbWdvvVJg8

[hyperqube]

If you want my opinon on Anal sex..... here it is:

Way back when, in feudal Japan, one of the favorite passtimes of Samurai was to sodomize young boys. Why didn't they have vaginal sex with young girls? Why not even anal sex with young girls? Well in my view, this act of sodomy was about humiliation for the young boy, about his loss of control, about the domination of the Samurai. I believe the same thing can be seen with anal rape in prisons between otherwise heterosexual men. It's about shaming, disgracing, defiling the victim. It is my own belief that this sentiment carries over to same sex couples as well as heterosexual couples. In the case of a same sex couple there is the "giver" and the "taker." Generally speaking from gleamed insight the taker is usually the effiminate male, while the giver is the dominate male. As a side note: this same anal sex behaivor is seen in the animal kingdom. Certain monkeys and other various animals will mount the weaker siblings and other pack members and proceed to sodomize them and pretend to sodomize.

In the case of heterosexual couples I feel that it is an act of defilement carried out by the man against the women. It is domination, entering the space "not allowed." Literal pain involved with this act, as I can assert it is not a natural thing to be doing for pleasure. There also carries with it the onset of asking for anal sex -- which in itself is a kind of hunting, a challenge, a game for the male to coerce the female into consent. However as time goes on and the ideas proliferate wider and wider it has become more and more desired by both men and women. Studies demonstrate that anal sex is on the rise with young adults, teenagers, and onwards up into the married couples. This gaining popularity is not by chance or accident, it is due to propaganda and literal brainwashing. All throughout films, television, and music the subliminal messages are placed. Ask anyone on a street what they think of anal sex who has not tried it, embarassment pending they will most likely answer that they are highly interesting. Look at the pornographic sites, what is there the most of? Anal sex. Not just anal sex but "First time anal." Coincidence?

Will my point is not stated in it's entirity, you get the basics of my opinion. I feel it is a domineering act that carries with it inherent humilitation which I feel is not for me -- what so ever. I also see it as a corruption of an otherwise natural thing to do -- which is sex.

I can assure you I will be having no anal sex in my lifetime, for the reasons stated above and much more.

lol, what if a woman puts a strap on and pokes a dude?

[DarkKnightNomeD]

lol, what if a woman puts a strap on and pokes a dude?

the doods doing it wrong

[Unintelligable Name]

lol, what if a woman puts a strap on and pokes a dude?

A man's anus is not for sex (neither is a woman's), and a strap on is a peice of plastic.

The enjoyment factor comes in where exactly? Being weird?

[hyperqube]

the prostrate supposedly

[Unintelligable Name]

the prostrate supposedly

Even then... that's not in the rectum... it's a gland that almost touches the anal/rectal wall.

It's a garbage chute... the literal "crap" that you body cannot or has no use for.

[hyperqube]

yup, that's why a doc's gotta stick his finger in your ass to check it

[agentbluescreen]

Well to a noble Levitican fascist who worships a false-idol Tent of Meeting Tax Law  book God and burns animals as a confession-tax it isl and so is eating any blood, any fat or any unclean animal or creature and seeing ones wife naked and thinking about a sin or thinking of thinking about a sin. But then of course not havong a Levitican soul wash temple with an imprisoned god-guy to burn your sin taxes in front of is also a sin.

well nevermind these cops are wrong, it depends on what cult a person is a slave to

[hyperqube]

about animal sacrifice.  was a portion of the meat consumed?

[Unintelligable Name]

So @ mike

My viewpoint and moral code is philosophically inspired, as all as my "religious" viewpoint of Buddhism, which are philosophically inspired.

You have erred greatly in your assumptions... with the Strawman.

[φυδγε]

about animal sacrifice.  was a portion of the meat consumed?

Most of the time part of the sacrifice was consumed.

[mym]

Hello,

And, no humanity isn't f**ked, we (as a race) can agree any moral code and use it as our legislation - the definition of legal/illegal is just an agreement. There is not universal moral jurisdiction.

This is the correct way...agreement to agree...BUT, givin all the circumstances, what is disgustin and gross and what causes illnesses should be made a universal moral law to affect/effect!  It is obvious that unnatural situations have their side affects, but mainly if those side affects EFFECT, a moral law should be implemented for preservation of the species.


mym

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Hello,


This is the correct way...agreement to agree...BUT, givin all the circumstances, what is disgustin and gross and what causes illnesses should be made a universal moral law to affect/effect!  It is obvious that unnatural situations have their side affects, but mainly if those side affects EFFECT, a moral law should be implemented for preservation of the species.


mym

un-natural situations? universal moral law?

could you give us an example?

[BlueBaron]

burlguy,

what is wrong with you? Just because you've been told ANAL SEX is a sin, doesn't mean it is. Sorry, the world ain't coming to an end. It's just a fashion thing. Humanity will prevail WITH or WITHOUT anal sex. Please, this is fact.

End.
Of.
Story.

Anal sex is not a fashion thing, it's been around for thousands of years, what is fashionable is for it to be promoted as normal and ok and wrong to speak out against it.

[mym]

Hello,

un-natural situations? universal moral law?

could you give us an example?

Say we want the world to thrive and succeed.  Given this, we must make it a union of healthy, intelligent beings. We have the united nations messin up on a daily basis so given this, if things do ever change and the NWO is out, we need to bring about Healthy Laws as well. Unnatural meaning anal sex has side affects-proven medically.  Diseases and so forth can be brought about.  It was made for a purpose (your rear end) and that is to empty out fecal matter and gases.  To place anything inside it would by nature, be unnatural.  There is a place for such things as God created.  A woman for a man and a man for a woman.  Propagation of the species, reproduction, sanctified marriages of opposite sexes.  This IS the norm in society and if things are done the way they are meant to be done, situations would improve immensely.  I am not sayin that sicknesses will cease, but what I am saying is, reduction of diseases, normal life in contrast to mental weirdness (drag queens etc.)...just not normal for a man to wear a dress and act their opposite...etc.  Our lives in this century are going downhill in character not just economical hardship, but our character, our actions, our representation to the world and ourselves...all should show self worth as a prideful accomplishment, not a degrading one that leads to messed up situations and criminal acts.

mym

 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Hello,


Say we want the world to thrive and succeed.  Given this, we must make it a union of healthy, intelligent beings. We have the united nations messin up on a daily basis so given this, if things do ever change and the NWO is out, we need to bring about Healthy Laws as well. Unnatural meaning anal sex has side affects-proven medically.  Diseases and so forth can be brought about.  It was made for a purpose (your rear end) and that is to empty out fecal matter and gases.  To place anything inside it would by nature, be unnatural.  There is a place for such things as God created.  A woman for a man and a man for a woman.  Propagation of the species, reproduction, sanctified marriages of opposite sexes.  This IS the norm in society and if things are done the way they are meant to be done, situations would improve immensely.  I am not sayin that sicknesses will cease, but what I am saying is, reduction of diseases, normal life in contrast to mental weirdness (drag queens etc.)...just not normal for a man to wear a dress and act their opposite...etc.  Our lives in this century are going downhill in character not just economical hardship, but our character, our actions, our representation to the world and ourselves...all should show self worth as a prideful accomplishment, not a degrading one that leads to messed up situations and criminal acts.

mym

 

still up on that huge horse of yours i see...

let me get this straight, anal sex is un-natural to you, and can cause disease, therefore we should make laws to stop it?

well, im not sure if you are aware of this, but you can get diseases from penetrative sex, and we need that to survive as a species. and how about oral sex? same deal there too as well as being somewhat "un-natural" by your standards.

your reasoning does not allow for boundries, you are saying we should simply base our laws on your own moral code (or your interpretations of the bible, im guessing).

so the bottom line (pardon the pun), is that people are un-natural and immoral and they should be forced to do the right thing?

[Mike Philbin]

Anal sex is not a fashion thing, it's been around for thousands of years, what is fashionable is for it to be promoted as normal and ok and wrong to speak out against it.

Nope, the fashion element of anal sex is to decry it one decade and to okay it the next. As a whim of social Fascism.

I mean, we were all happy that the 300 Spartans (with help from their Thesp neighbours) held back Xerxes invasion of Greece @ The Thermopylae but let's not overlook Spartan pederasty before we start cheering them as warriors of note.

[mym]

Hello,

and I don't own a horse thanks

let me get this straight, anal sex is un-natural to you, and can cause disease, therefore we should make laws to stop it?

well, im not sure if you are aware of this, but you can get diseases from penetrative sex, and we need that to survive as a species. and how about oral sex? same deal there too as well as being somewhat "un-natural" by your standards.

your reasoning does not allow for boundries, you are saying we should simply base our laws on your own moral code (or your interpretations of the bible, im guessing).

so the bottom line (pardon the pun), is that people are un-natural and immoral and they should be forced to do the right thing?

Yes, I knew you would bring in that argument, but it isn't considered dirty when two people come together unless you treat it as just a sex spreading machine...at least it doesn't carry crap on it and feces...it does however, carry sperm, capable of producing human life and expectancy...the normal way it should.  The other way is un natural and yes, should have laws to stop it.

The Bible has many flaws as you may have seen in thru some of my posts about them.  Propagation of the species, love, all things natural is the best way to keep things clean and tidy. 

There are people who behave unnaturally~transvestites, drag queens, many male gays, etc....it is unnatural for a man to behave like a woman and vice versa.  It is UNNATURAL.  You are born with what God gives ya and you should abide by it naturally and not unnaturally.  Those who crave the opposite sex need therapy and need to realize that it is abnormal...has been for centuries on end.

There is nothing wrong with oral sex between a husband and wife.

mym

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Hello,

and I don't own a horse thanks


Yes, I knew you would bring in that argument, but it isn't considered dirty when two people come together unless you treat it as just a sex spreading machine...at least it doesn't carry crap on it and feces...it does however, carry sperm, capable of producing human life and expectancy...the normal way it should.  The other way is un natural and yes, should have laws to stop it.

The Bible has many flaws as you may have seen in thru some of my posts about them.  Propagation of the species, love, all things natural is the best way to keep things clean and tidy. 

There are people who behave unnaturally~transvestites, drag queens, many male gays, etc....it is unnatural for a man to behave like a woman and vice versa.  It is UNNATURAL.  You are born with what God gives ya and you should abide by it naturally and not unnaturally.  Those who crave the opposite sex need therapy and need to realize that it is abnormal...has been for centuries on end.

There is nothing wrong with oral sex between a husband and wife.

mym

dont worry, you dont need to own a metaphorical horse....you can have one all the same.

ok, so a few more things on the table now, when you say "but it (penetrative sex) isn't considered dirty when two people come together unless you treat it as just a sex spreading machine", am i to take it that you see marriage out of wedlock bad as well? should we make that illegal too?

why dont you just come out and say it, you think everybody should be forced by law to live by the bible?

[mym]

Hello,

I don't believe the Bible is God's word.  Sure, it has good things in it, but way too contradictory in terms and details.

Ya can't judge by the Bible.  Too many people are in disbelief of it.


If you get one to think about what is really happening, you will see that sex outside marriage is not a good thing.  Is like you just want to satisfy your desire with one and then move onto the next.  This, in turn, spreads diseases, breaks hearts, rips up families, hurts one ownself and then where does it get ya?  Lonely, not married, and alone.  Morals decrease, spirituality diminishes, and nothing but lusts and cravings you get and many men stoop to rape, incest, etc.  There are many disadvantages of having sex outside marriage.  Then where is the happiness that a marriage should have...if things are like that I have mentioned, the joy of married life is no more...you get divorce rates galore, adulteries galore...nothing left for surprise and feeling...just ya have what you have had.

I am not saying I am perfect in no sense of the word.  What I am saying is that man and woman should come together as they should and produce as they should and live a normal life.  Living like I said in the above paragraph is not a happy life.

mym

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Hello,

I don't believe the Bible is God's word.  Sure, it has good things in it, but way too contradictory in terms and details.

Ya can't judge by the Bible.  Too many people are in disbelief of it.


If you get one to think about what is really happening, you will see that sex outside marriage is not a good thing.  Is like you just want to satisfy your desire with one and then move onto the next.  This, in turn, spreads diseases, breaks hearts, rips up families, hurts one ownself and then where does it get ya?  Lonely, not married, and alone.  Morals decrease, spirituality diminishes, and nothing but lusts and cravings you get and many men stoop to rape, incest, etc.  There are many disadvantages of having sex outside marriage.  Then where is the happiness that a marriage should have...if things are like that I have mentioned, the joy of married life is no more...you get divorce rates galore, adulteries galore...nothing left for surprise and feeling...just ya have what you have had.

I am not saying I am perfect in no sense of the word.  What I am saying is that man and woman should come together as they should and produce as they should and live a normal life.  Living like I said in the above paragraph is not a happy life.

mym

ok so its not the bible, its your interpretation and your own morals, fair enough.

so you think everybody should be forced by law to live by your morality?

you really dont get this, do you?