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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 09:09:44 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 09:13:15 AM » |
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Did you even listen to the video? The man never said a word about homophobia or homosexuality. What it really is, is police harassing the christian because they don't like him preaching on a public street.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 09:15:42 AM » |
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Everyone has an agenda. So lets not get into the Religion thing here ok.
The end of the video is what we all believe in.
Freedom of speech and open dialogue on public sidewalks.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 09:16:55 AM » |
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Did you even listen to the video? The man never said a word about homophobia or homosexuality. What it really is, is police harassing the christian because they don't like him preaching on a public street.
On the rare occasions I go down the street, I don't appreciate ANY form of preaching. Christian or otherwise. STFU already. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 09:40:34 AM » |
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On the rare occasions I go down the street, I don't appreciate ANY form of preaching.
Christian or otherwise.
STFU already.
Problem is - with that 'presidence' it may well get to the point where - well... someone may not appreciate you going down the street, so you can't do that anymore either. Or perhaps talking on a cell phone going down the street, or posting opinions on a forum.... We can't really have too much grey mixed in on the free speech issue. Sure; there should be some very narrow restrictions - like calling 'fire' in a theater - *perhaps*. But that's about it - and even then, I don't think it should be a legal matter as much as the cinema kicking them off their grounds for good. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 09:46:24 AM » |
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Problem is - with that 'presidence' it may well get to the point where - well... someone may not appreciate you going down the street, so you can't do that anymore either. Or perhaps talking on a cell phone going down the street, or posting opinions on a forum....
We can't really have too much grey mixed in on the free speech issue. Sure; there should be some very narrow restrictions - like calling 'fire' in a theater - *perhaps*. But that's about it - and even then, I don't think it should be a legal matter as much as the cinema kicking them off their grounds for good.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 09:50:25 AM » |
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You need to make the distinction between "Free Speech" and 'promoting an Agenda".
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 10:04:05 AM » |
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Shaddap!
You said nothing!
Why you seem to have such issues with what people believe and what rights people insist on? Insecure? Just curious. You can flame away, but I doubt I'll reply much. I'm not into flaming and name-wars. So - maybe they should make like... Gay-Pride parades illegal too? Or something else - because if they are successful with shutting up one group's right to free speech, don't think for even one second many, many more won't follow. See - I'm for free speech, even if I don't personally agree with it. I don't really have a problem with Gays speaking their mind, nor do I have a problem with Christians speaking their mind either. That doesn't seem to be the case for many. They believe that people should only be free to say what *they personally* agree with and the rest need to shut-up. |
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Our founding fathers, if they met the current politicians in office; would either kick their asses good or just shoot them dead. ~Me
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 10:05:42 AM » |
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I am a conspiracy buster exposing the lies of the wicked as THEY twist the knot on our ass. All conspiracies are fact as the demonic race is the foundation of all malicious intent.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 10:09:08 AM » |
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Why you seem to have such issues with what people believe and what rights people insist on? Insecure?
Just curious. You can flame away, but I doubt I'll reply much. I'm not into flaming and name-wars.
So - maybe they should make like... Gay-Pride parades illegal too? Or something else - because if they are successful with shutting up one group's right to free speech, don't think for even one second many, many more won't follow.
See - I'm for free speech, even if I don't personally agree with it. I don't really have a problem with Gays speaking their mind, nor do I have a problem with Christians speaking their mind either. That doesn't seem to be the case for many. They believe that people should only be free to say what *they personally* agree with and the rest need to shut-up.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 10:11:21 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 10:17:41 AM » |
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Are they allowing other groups to preach and speak, but denying Christians this right? If it's a matter of blocking traffic and ensuring that sidewalks don't get obstructed, then no one will be allowed to preach. If only one group is being denied this right then it is actually discriminatory. It sounds to me like all groups are not being allowed to preach or otherwise disturb the flow of traffic in that area.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 10:19:59 AM » |
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Well, i couldn't help but to look at his other posts. I mean - I'm not claiming that being gay is a sin. That's not my judgment to make, nor do I claim to have an opinion. Because, you know - I really don't know. I don't want to get into a debate on the semantics of it all. I know there are parts of the Bible that say that, but there are parts that say an eye for an eye too. I look at it differently than many of the fundamentalists do, I guess. I see parts more of a 'what not to do' - and how parts of humanity f**ked up in the past, with teachings later that show how those situations were wrong. But ok, I'm stopping on that there. Don't bother to reply in this thread to any of my opinion on the above. Back on topic though - most of his posts were slams, kept going on about how old people were, how many kids they have, how bad people that believe "X" suck. He expects to be able to spout off on how horrible people are that disagree with the opinion of homosexuals, but when others disagree with the first group of 'horrible people' they are sub-human refuse. Don't work that way. If the gays can have their say, then the christans can have their say, along with the Muslims, the Hindus, Wicca, the druids, etc, etc, etc. Free speech is like a machine - in my opinion. Bunch of gears - that may well move in opposite directions... they have to, really. But when you start pulling gears out - the whole machine breaks. |
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 10:20:10 AM » |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 10:21:03 AM » |
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Are they allowing other groups to preach and speak, but denying Christians this right? If it's a matter of blocking traffic and ensuring that sidewalks don't get obstructed, then no one will be allowed to preach. If only one group is being denied this right then it is actually discriminatory. It sounds to me like all groups are not being allowed to preach or otherwise disturb the flow of traffic in that area.
Hypothetically - if a guy would have been across the street saying "homosexuality is not a sin, I can prove it in the bible here" - would he have been silenced too? |
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It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains. ~ Patrick Henry
Our founding fathers, if they met the current politicians in office; would either kick their asses good or just shoot them dead. ~Me
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 10:23:04 AM » |
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LOL had My finger in The trigger and ya beat me ...You have to get up early in The mornin to beat Rock to The trigger ...LOL
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Maybe you should add to the rules that "extreme arrogance" is not appreciated on the forum. |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 10:24:18 AM » |
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For 200 years we have been able to speak freely on the streets of America. Some did it from a soap box.
Once free speech is gone from the streets of America and put into "free speech zones" it's over folks.
The internet is not the last stand of free speech in the US. It is the streets.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 10:26:56 AM » |
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 10:28:47 AM » |
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I will be going out preaching this Sabbath about homosexuality in a market near you. Shalom.
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2009, 10:36:59 AM » |
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I am an atheist and I do wish to protect peoples right to free speech and the first amendment. Some here, I think, have been really hurt by religion thats why they attack it so. I say if you are a true atheist people preaching or praying should be indifferent to you. Your an atheist so nothing they say will happen to you, right? I do draw the line at group think and direct threats though. I'm seeing this more and more “ oh my, that man is preaching call the cops” while at the same time nobody is to take any offense to public and indecent displays of affection. This is classic double think, and I wish it to stop.
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 10:40:27 AM » |
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I am an atheist and I do wish to protect peoples right to free speech and the first amendment. Some here, I think, have been really hurt by religion thats why they attack it so. I say if you are a true atheist people preaching or praying should be indifferent to you. Your an atheist so nothing they say will happen to you, right? I do draw the line at group think and direct threats though. I'm seeing this more and more “ oh my, that man is preaching call the cops” while at the same time nobody is to take any offense to public and indecent displays of affection. This is classic double think, and I wish it to stop.
You're spot on about that, I'm sure. Perhaps the most dangerous thing in many ways to a human's connection with God - is religion, rather than seeking a more 'personal relationship' with God. But alas - at this rate Government should soon equal and far surpass the 'hurt' on humanity that some religion has wrought. |
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 10:46:38 AM » |
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2009, 10:49:56 AM » |
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He cannot answer you because he is banned.
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 10:56:33 AM » |
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Is it permanent or just a temporary rest bite.
Permanent. But he uses a proxy so he will be back under a new name. I am moving this to off topic because of how this thread has migrated. Rock |
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2009, 10:58:22 AM » |
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I will miss being called a twit though. Hush! |
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2009, 06:54:55 PM » |
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in public places one has every right to say they believe homosexuality a sin, they have freedom of speech, just as someone is allowed to hold the opposite view, but neither of those views has the right to diminish or restrict the other, that only serves to limit freedom of speech for everyone.
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2009, 12:29:07 AM » |
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in public places one has every right to say they believe homosexuality a sin, they have freedom of speech, just as someone is allowed to hold the opposite view, but neither of those views has the right to diminish or restrict the other, that only serves to limit freedom of speech for everyone.
May as well say it: I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (somebody said something like that and I love it) |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2009, 12:46:55 AM » |
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Homosexuality ISN'T a sin, that's like saying that picking your nose is a sin. Sure, a lot of people think picking your nose is ugly, distasteful and crass but that doesn't make it a sin. You might think anal sex with another man is ugly, distasteful and crass but just look at the amount of ANAL PORN on the internet - oh, it's up the asshole of a lady, so that's alright. Oh, what are you saying, Mike, you subversive horror? That there are no sins? That there is no universal morality? That there is no God?
Yuuuuuup. Sorry religous sleeple.
It has been shown (throughout the centuries) that a group of humans came invent an old arbitrary ruleset by which that group all agree to live ... that's your religion ... that's your morality ... that's your government. And does propaganda come into it? You bet. Humans are cruel to each other in order to survive.
Damn right it's a crime to say 'homosexuality is a sin' - in this culture we EMBRACE homosexuality. It's part of what we are, as a race. I say this as a devout heterosexual, because I love the cultural mix - the weirder the merrier. Every man to thine own self be true ... or some such bollocks.
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Damn right it's a crime to say 'homosexuality is a sin' - in this culture we EMBRACE homosexuality. It's part of what we are, as a race. I say this as a devout heterosexual, because I love the cultural mix - the weirder the merrier. Every man to thine own self be true ... or some such bollocks.
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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2009, 12:53:40 AM » |
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A crime huh... well thankfully you aren't a Judge.
Thankfully. But seriously, come out of your dark ages. We agreed having anal sex is okay. It's what society expects from itself. |
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2009, 12:56:16 AM » |
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We agreed having anal sex is okay. .
Most certainly not. The anus is not for having sex with.... Heterosexual or Gay that is some nasty, nasty business. |
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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2009, 12:58:03 AM » |
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Dude, the research PROVES you wrong.
I mean, I know, it's a nasty, ugly, smelly thing to wanna do - but it's the law. Arbitrary arbiters have okay'd 'that kinda crime against God' this century. Sorry.
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« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2009, 01:12:30 AM » |
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On a list of things going wrong I'd put sodomy and homosexuals probably near the very bottom of the list. CPS and bankers, vaccines, chemtrails, mind control... etc... Martial law???
Those are more top 6!
It's a huge list though...
Death and suffering will always rank higher than perversion in my book. [Yes I created my own book!]
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Bah immediate threat to your life is transitory! I hope anyway... you could have people out to get you around every corner. Sounds like your town needs a vigilant to go mow the weeds. Kissingers supposed words thus far I've only narrowed down to being a Sorcha Faal article. I do however agree that September all the way through Feburary will be highly entertaining... if you like insanity that is. I've got... about 4 months of MRE's, water cleaning bits all over the place, a jeep that'll drive over anything, and enough guns and ammo to go target shooting for... a very long time. |
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« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2009, 01:29:28 AM » |
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one of history's greatest writers, Oscar Wilde, went to gaol for rearward_entry
it's a regularly legal/illegal act depending on the flavour of the decade
this decade, shirt-lifting (as it used to be called) is all the rage - yes, it's the law that it's no longer illegal to have anal sex with a consenting man or a consenting woman. Sorry again, for dealing the arbitrary truth. Man, I'll tell you how f**ked up society is when they start burning WITCHES (aka women) who know a thing or two about 'herbal remedies'. That's a mess.
And, no humanity isn't f**ked, we (as a race) can agree any moral code and use it as our legislation - the definition of legal/illegal is just an agreement. There is not universal moral jurisdiction.
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« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2009, 01:39:51 AM » |
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You need to make the distinction between "Free Speech" and 'promoting an Agenda".
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« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2009, 01:45:02 AM » |
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what is wrong with you? Just because you've been told ANAL SEX is a sin, doesn't mean it is. Sorry, the world ain't coming to an end. It's just a fashion thing. Humanity will prevail WITH or WITHOUT anal sex. Please, this is fact.
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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2009, 01:49:56 AM » |
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Just because you've been told ANAL SEX is a sin, doesn't mean it is. Rude to imply he is parroting what he was told. It is against his morals -- therefore sinful. Short and sweet. Or was your point about the entire scope of religion? "Morals are created and defined by society, philosophy, religion, or individual conscience" I suppose you are correct -- it is not because he says so, but I tell you what, to him it is. The way you put it was as stated however. |
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