Glenn Beck Says 9/11 Truthers Destroying America - law suit

[mr Rosin F]

In ANY case, this guy (Reagan's son?) who said:

 "i think a 9/11 truther should be killed/shut and i'll pay for the bullets" (paraphrased)

-should go to prison for saying this and there is no space for interpretation of what he said (transmitted and listened by millions).

[mr Rosin F]

Didn't he say all 9/11 truthers should be shot or something along those lines.  What would you call that?

just what i was talking about Who was this guy? Reagan's son??

[Aerioch]

It would be a small victory just getting this case to be heard before a court .... just imagine the publicity.

The freaking LOTTO JACKPOT would be winning the case, and making this talking-points puking, punka$$ crybaby pundit apologize on air multiple times...or pay a fine.


Either way it is a win.  The press this story would generate would be comedy gold!

[Rainchild]

I might be wrong but I'm not sure you can sue someone and win because of an opinion that they have expressed no matter how stupid it is. Glenn Beck has free speech just like everyone else. I may not like what he is saying but he has the right to say it. It seems the person sueing would have to prove some type of damage to his character or reputation in order to win. I'm not sure how that can really be done since he was not mentioned by name. I'm sure this guy's heart is in the right place but I think this is probably a waste of precious resources. But hey maybe it will get some media attention or something.

Defamation is when you make somebody look bad through lies. So if it's true that their not anarchist, antisemites, etc ( which they aren't) than they can sue for defamation of character. In fact the creation of defamation laws was the start of free speech before it got into the constitution. It's the principle that as long as what your saying is true you can damage someone's reputation if it's not true then it's fraudulent and it's illegal.
 
I learned this in regular school text books.

[Aerioch]

I think there are 3-4 hurdles to cross to prove defamation of character in court, and win.

1. Prove the party knowingly lied.

2. Prove the did so with malicious intent.

3. Prove the damages in some way, some type of loss or something.

I'm not 100% sure on this though, it has been some time since my "Laws of Mass Communications" class.

[mr Rosin F]

I think there are 3-4 hurdles to cross to prove defamation of character in court, and win.

1. Prove the party knowingly lied.

2. Prove the did so with malicious intent.

3. Prove the damages in some way, some type of loss or something.

I'm not 100% sure on this though, it has been some time since my "Laws of Mass Communications" class.

1. He lies because he cannot know what a great number of diverse people are. He cannot call a group of people "haters" and "psychopaths". In a court case it is he who has to "prove" not us.

2. It is self-evident: insulting labels aren't thrown in someone's face in mass media with beneficial intent.

3. Damages that many slander cases that won claimed.

[Aerioch]

1. He lies because he cannot know what a great number of diverse people are. He cannot call a group of people "haters" and "psychopaths". In a court case it is he who has to "prove" not us.

2. It is self-evident: insulting labels aren't thrown in someone's face in mass media with beneficial intent.

3. Damages that many slander cases that won claimed.

Yeah but the problem lies in the details of the exact wording ...

If Glenn Beck prefaced the whole thing by saying "In my opinion ... 9-11 Truthers are hurting the U.S." = Free Speech.

If Glenn Beck was attempting to make it sound as if it was factual, and cited specifics to prove it = Defamation

It comes down to those three little words, or the statement of his "opinion" which would be protected by the 1st.

[mr Rosin F]

Yeah but the problem lies in the details of the exact wording ...

If Glenn Beck prefaced the whole thing by saying "In my opinion ... 9-11 Truthers are hurting the U.S." = Free Speech.

If Glenn Beck was attempting to make it sound as if it was factual, and cited specifics to prove it = Defamation

It comes down to those three little words, or the statement of his "opinion" which would be protected by the 1st.

I clearly remember him describing truthers as "haters" haters of Jews. A good lawyer can give him hell, the problem is that many of the higher instances wouldn't allow the case to filed - banana republic, you know.

[ES]

His name is Mike, but I thought GB said something along those lines too.  Or, did he just say he wished we go away?  IDK.

Mike Reagan was the one who said Mark Dice and others should be shot for giving troops 911 dvds. Micheal Savage is the one who said we need to be put in work camps. Glenn Beck said we were dangerous Mcveigh types and applauded the holocaust museum shooter. Out of all of them the best case was against Reagan and that went nowhere.

[Aerioch]

  Sad but true...


But still the mere act of getting this pasty, flabbified, whiner into court, and having to deal with the publicity that would follow would be worth it!

[mr Rosin F]

Mike Reagan was the one who said Mark Dice and others should be shot for giving troops 911 dvds. Micheal Savage is the one who said we need to be put in work camps. Glenn Beck said we were dangerous Mcveigh types and applauded the holocaust museum shooter. Out of all of them the best case was against Reagan and that went nowhere.

Yeah, that was the one! Did they make case against him?

[CarolinaWildcat]

I posted on Infowars (same username) that I didn't understand how this isn't protected under Becks (yes, he's an asshat) 1st Amendment Rights? How can we fight to protect ours, but not his?

Not sure but I think when your public speech incites violence against a person/group,then your right ends. Glenn Beck's insistence that patriots are terrorists,given the publics fear of such terrorists,is arguably inciting violence.

[ES]

Yeah, that was the one! Did they make case against him?

From what I remmember the fcc was contacted about this and refused to do anything about it.

[wvoutlaw2002]

Listen to this filthy lying Zionist shill ...

Keith Olbermann attempts the "Kevin Bacon Manuver" linking Ron Paul to Von Brunn.

Olbermann slanders Truthers, Patriots, & Dr. Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gscSr2JsmDw

An Open Letter to Keith Olbermann

Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and their ilk deserve to be put in prison for the rest of their lives...with NO food and water.

I always knew Olbermann would sell us out.

Moral of the story? NEVER trust anybody on the mainstream media.

[America2]

An Open Letter to Keith Olbermann

Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Savage, and their ilk deserve to be put in prison for the rest of their lives...with NO food and water.

I always knew Olbermann would sell us out.

Moral of the story? NEVER trust anybody on the mainstream media.

To be frank - the minute Olbermann started fawning over Obama during the Dem primaries in 2008, I felt something was "wrong". I was fast asleep then, but nonetheless, Olbermann has been a career-long Hillary supporter(well, since 2003 since he started his "Countdown" show)...and then just all of a sudden fawned over Obama out of nowhere.

Even as a "Democrat", I always watched his show merely for the entertainment value.

[vCFy7W3SFb]

Alex Jones OWNS glen beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQif-LbOvBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnBa1xiId5Q

[InfoTruth]

It's good to see Alex in a good mood.

[RoadRunner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocIsSnmZgCY

glenn beck has also been tied to the shooter, the exact same tactic he used on the 9/11 truthers, he claims that its not possible that he had any part of the vonn shooting, and that tying media hosts to someones actions is ridiculous, but doesnt take back his comments trying to tie 9/11 truthers to the shooting. what a hypocrite.

[Irobot]

What do you want from this ? A new fairness doctrine? Despite the assesments / propaganda spewed by Beck, it's free speech or nothing. WTF,  why support this action?

[Unintelligable Name]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocIsSnmZgCY

glenn beck has also been tied to the shooter, the exact same tactic he used on the 9/11 truthers, he claims that its not possible that he had any part of the vonn shooting, and that tying media hosts to someones actions is ridiculous, but doesnt take back his comments trying to tie 9/11 truthers to the shooting. what a hypocrite.

Oh took me a second to understand what you were saying. (I must have slept weird or something... can't think all day long)

Yeah that's pretty typical ain't it? I wonder if he understands his own bullshit at this point. He could just a blithering idiot that reads the teleprompter/script and can't put it all together.

But.... he ain't getting off that easy. What a scummy scum bag.

[America2]

Oh took me a second to understand what you were saying. (I must have slept weird or something... can't think all day long)

Yeah that's pretty typical ain't it? I wonder if he understands his own bullshit at this point. He could just a blithering idiot that reads the teleprompter/script and can't put it all together.

During the Bush administration, it was the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party ONLY that were the traitors b/c they didn't support the troops in our (illegal)wars.

Now that the 'Messiah' is in office? It's as if they've run out of ideas, and are grasping for straws.

[Unintelligable Name]

O_O They're scolding people for not checking the facts.

Rofl.

Other guy says: "This is how low the standard is to blame conservatives for these things."

Really? Lmao..... you doublethinking morons are finished!

[al0152]

http://www.georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/06/911-truth-activist-sues-glenn-beck-for.html

GOOD HAND!!! VERY good hand!!

Yea, let's get whatever money we can and put it back in the fight against them!! I suppose the truth movement could use a little bit of that government's "charity funding", or maybe even the Alex Jones Radio Show and websites... 

[al0152]

I bet he cries on air over it. Titty baby.

dude...you took my thoughts right out your mouth. he SO LOOKS AND ACTS like a ninny high on estrogen. TOTALLY pathetic. "News" is becoming a pathetic charade, so much so, that it's unbelievable. Hell, they can't even LIE PROPERLY, much less report. But then again, there are all these gullible suckers who will eat any bullshit coming out it, even that ninny hen Glen Beck.

[RoadRunner]

glenn beck needs to grow up and stop causing divides in an already unstable country.

he thinks hes helping people, but all he is really doing is turning up the heat.

[KI4BNC]

with out reading the past 6 pages,I saw the vid in post 1.
All I can say is it felt almost like a self-administered gunshot wound to the movement

[Unintelligable Name]

You know who just came to mind?

Troy from West Virginia...

I wonder if Glenn Beck gets his talking points from him.

"You hate America, saying lies about my country!"

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5j6n3_troy-from-wv-calls-bob-mcilvaine_news

[Unintelligable Name]

Dearie me that video gets more ridiculous at the end.

Listen to it and you'll know what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocIsSnmZgCY

Look at these two comments...

MDK236 (5 hours ago) Show Hide  0   Marked as spam Reply Krugman should blame Alex Jones for this if he wants to be remotely accurate
MDK236 (6 hours ago) Show Hide  0   Marked as spam Reply I have seen allot of anti-semisim on both sides of the spectrum, The 911 truth movement is full of anti-semites as I have found out. This Von Brunn sounds like a prime example. These guys call themselves "Paleoconservatives" more like Pseudoconservatives.

I wonder who he works for...

 

[Rainchild]

What do you want from this ? A new fairness doctrine? Despite the assesments / propaganda spewed by Beck, it's free speech or nothing. WTF,  why support this action?

Suing for defamation of character doesn't threaten free speech. In fact defamation laws were what created free speech in the first place! The debate in the courts then was if you could criticize someone if what your saying is true and since the person was telling the truth the guy won and that began somewhat free speech in England. Defamation of character is basically when you lie about someone to damage their credibility or reputation. As long as Beck isn't lying there shouldn't be problem, but since he IS lying to damage the truth movement he can be sued for it because it's illegal! Defamation of character = Fraud

[msr]

Yep use the system against them. People in america are free to sue for all types of things.

Would be glad if someone does this to stop this sort of stereotyping.

[Scootle]

What do you want from this ? A new fairness doctrine? Despite the assesments / propaganda spewed by Beck, it's free speech or nothing. WTF,  why support this action?

There's a difference between free speech and defamation

How would you feel if i went on TV and said you're a pedophile?

Would you allow me to claim "freedom of speech" for that?

Coz thats basically the same sort of thing as what he did.

I'm all for freedom of expression of opinions but stating something like its a fact, on air to millions, without evidence, for the purpose of defaming a person or group, especially one as important as 9/11 truth, is just sickening... we need to beat these bastards at their own game.

[mr anderson]

Include Australian Journalist Andrew Bolt in on this too! (Even though you can't)

(He links to many things in this post so get source url's here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/equal_opportunity_hater/P20/)

Andrew Bolt
Thursday, June 11, 2009 at 02:36pm

A despicable attack:

    A security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has died after being shot by a gunman identified by US media as a neo-Nazi.

And also an illustration of the essentially meaningless distinction often drawn between the far-Left and far-Right, as in this very report:

    The blogosphere lit up after the shooting, with some decrying the violence while right-wing and neo-Nazi websites were full of praise and adoration for von Brunn.

“Right wing?” (Note: reporter Anne Davies, a Sydney Morning Herald Lefitst, doesn’t even say far-Right. Or give the full name of the National Socialists.)

In fact, from his writings, the murderer seems equally at home with the “Right” and the “Left”, however Davies tries to spin it:

    Lying is what JEWS do best. It’s how JEWS earn a living.... The biggest sleight-of-hand trick ever, was the establishment of ROTHSCHILD central-banks… Nations pay JEWS for the use of their own (Nation’s) money… NEOCONS-BILL O’REILLY you pay the tax - or else you don’t eat. Hillary, Obama, McCain, Ruppert Murdoch don’t mind paying the Kosher tax, why should you care ...

    ‘You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.’ — George W. Bush

    ‘Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushs have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched.’ George Bush Sr. 1992

    ‘Kill the Best Gentiles!’

    James von Brunn

And, of course, he thought the 9-11 attacks were an inside job.

There are, in fact, people who are rational individualists, and people who are collectivist, and therefore more prey to us-against-them mythology. Von Brunn - a Zionist-hating, Bush-loathing, O’Reilly-despising, anti-Christian 9-11 truther - is without doubt a collectivist, with views that could find a home both with the far Left and Right. To which precisely he belongs is a distinction without a difference.

(Thanks to reader Jennifer. UPDATE: I’ve added the last two sentences to my original post.)


(All source url's here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labels_swtiched/)

Andrew Bolt – Friday, June 12, 09 (07:33 am)

What would you call a man who wrote this:

    SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West.

A Right-winger or a Left-winger? I know, too easy. And let’s tick all the other boxes that tend to go with that:

    Anti-Christian? Check.

    Anti-Zionist? Check.

    Anti-George Bush? But of course.

    Anti-Murdoch and the imp Bill O’Reilly? Check again.

    A sceptic of the official version of the September 11 attacks? You betcha.

So who have I described so far? Phillip Adams or John Howard? David Marr or Piers Akerman?

Answer? Go here. And that sudden sound you hear? It’s of the Left switching labels.

[mr anderson]

Include Australian Journalist Andrew Bolt in on this too! (Even though you can't)

(He links to many things in this post so get source url's here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/equal_opportunity_hater/P20/)

Andrew Bolt
Thursday, June 11, 2009 at 02:36pm

A despicable attack:

    A security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has died after being shot by a gunman identified by US media as a neo-Nazi.

And also an illustration of the essentially meaningless distinction often drawn between the far-Left and far-Right, as in this very report:

    The blogosphere lit up after the shooting, with some decrying the violence while right-wing and neo-Nazi websites were full of praise and adoration for von Brunn.

“Right wing?” (Note: reporter Anne Davies, a Sydney Morning Herald Lefitst, doesn’t even say far-Right. Or give the full name of the National Socialists.)

In fact, from his writings, the murderer seems equally at home with the “Right” and the “Left”, however Davies tries to spin it:

    Lying is what JEWS do best. It’s how JEWS earn a living.... The biggest sleight-of-hand trick ever, was the establishment of ROTHSCHILD central-banks… Nations pay JEWS for the use of their own (Nation’s) money… NEOCONS-BILL O’REILLY you pay the tax - or else you don’t eat. Hillary, Obama, McCain, Ruppert Murdoch don’t mind paying the Kosher tax, why should you care ...

    ‘You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.’ — George W. Bush

    ‘Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushs have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched.’ George Bush Sr. 1992

    ‘Kill the Best Gentiles!’

    James von Brunn

And, of course, he thought the 9-11 attacks were an inside job.

There are, in fact, people who are rational individualists, and people who are collectivist, and therefore more prey to us-against-them mythology. Von Brunn - a Zionist-hating, Bush-loathing, O’Reilly-despising, anti-Christian 9-11 truther - is without doubt a collectivist, with views that could find a home both with the far Left and Right. To which precisely he belongs is a distinction without a difference.

(Thanks to reader Jennifer. UPDATE: I’ve added the last two sentences to my original post.)


(All source url's here:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labels_swtiched/)

Andrew Bolt – Friday, June 12, 09 (07:33 am)

What would you call a man who wrote this:

    SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West.

A Right-winger or a Left-winger? I know, too easy. And let’s tick all the other boxes that tend to go with that:

    Anti-Christian? Check.

    Anti-Zionist? Check.

    Anti-George Bush? But of course.

    Anti-Murdoch and the imp Bill O’Reilly? Check again.

    A sceptic of the official version of the September 11 attacks? You betcha.

So who have I described so far? Phillip Adams or John Howard? David Marr or Piers Akerman?

Answer? Go here. And that sudden sound you hear? It’s of the Left switching labels.

Comment here, Open forum tonight

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/forum_sunday_june_14/

[House]

I just have trouble defining the difference between what Beck said, and all the remarks made towards him (again, I'm certainly not sticking up for him). If someone say called Beck a "douchebag" (a definate insult to the bag), well, Beck is obviously not a literal douchebag, so how is that not applicable?

sociostudents reply seems to state (in my own words) that the media is held to a higher standard than John Q, is this correct?

People who listen to Beck likely shared his twisted opinions anyway, so I doubt his blubbering changed anyones mind anyway.

Be interesting to see how this all plays-out, for sure.

[America2]

Paleoconservatives? Pseudoconservatives?

Where are all of these people coming up with all of these names? At least with the Bush/Cheney admin, they kept it VERY simple with words like "traitor" and "un-American", and left it AT THAT.

[Mike Shannon]

Haven't seen the story yet, but fast fwd. through 20/20 and there is a "fluff" story on him on 20/20. Let's see a "shill" doing a story on a "shill"=abc"s in the bilderbergs wow what a revelation.
Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power by Alexandra Robbins (Paperback - Sep 4, 2002) wow i paid for the hardback. You'd be shocked, maybe not who is in all the classes from the beginning. Includes all the "drive by media" male & female

[Sensi Dave]

Here is one thing I disagree with from the last few posts. I don't think Lou Dobbs would be happy being called a 'shill' like Glen Beck has been. Remember, AJ spoke to Lou on his show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEljPwaoRys

Anyways, I've been getting a lot of status messages of people getting really pissed off. Gonna slap a poster together with 'DHS calling Returning Veterans Terrorists? Are We Nazi Germany?' and/or 'FEMA Camps Exist, Google REX 84'. Something to motivate these folks to do something.

Lou Dobbs is a shill, at least I saw him do a segment with some general or something in which they promoted the need for war with Iran.

[Unintelligable Name]

Well seems like that Youtube user backed off his initial ridiculous statements after I responded a few more times.

Seems like he just isn't in the loop.

He tried to say that Neocons = Jews, very strange person.

[Aerioch]

Well seems like that Youtube user backed off his initial ridiculous statements after I responded a few more times.

Seems like he just isn't in the loop.

He tried to say that Neocons = Jews, very strange person.

I bet you would agree that most Neocons = Zionists.

[Unintelligable Name]

I bet you would agree that most Neocons = Zionists.

Wouldn't know, so I can't comment.