Can you be Gay & Christian

[KarnEvil9]

Look it [size=@0pt]Moderators you gave Raffles his own NWO pumping agenda forum[/size]

 Is this really what has become of the forum? It went to informing to conforming with the plan to destroy the family unit in a matter of months.

 Is this what Alex wants? Do you really want this Alex ? Do you want your forum to be used to promote homosexuality?

 If this is how this forum is going to go then I am sure that I will not be the only one leaving....

Are you kidding? So it's OK to post away with your baiting and bashing threads, but now someone with an opposite view from yours is going to cause you to leave the forum? Why don't you just stay and keep plugging away at your "fight"  It would hardly make any difference anyway. You're not gonna change anyone's mind nor will they change yours.

[Raffles]

Are you kidding? So it's OK to post away with your baiting and bashing threads, but now someone with an opposite view from yours is going to cause you to leave the forum? Why don't you just stay and keep plugging away at your "fight"  It would hardly make any difference anyway. You're not gonna change anyone's mind nor will they change yours.

Tell you what is worse....

'burlyguy' is a moderator on this board, all be it on one of the least significant sections.

Hope he leaves before he get's banned.

Certainly no business being on staff here.

Don't s'pose there's any chance of a return to the OP?

[scottalexandercowie]

burlyguy is entitled to his opinions and has every right to voice them, he called me out on what was an apparent inconsistency and I took it to heart because his point was well made. And if I think he's wrong about something I'll let loose on him as well, he seems capable of taking it.

Homosexuality is wrong, it is not how we are intended to live. That does not give an open season on gays however. Charly Reese had something to say on this issue which I think is relevant even if I don't always agree with Reese's pieces.

What in the world is all this flap and hullabaloo about homosexual marriage licenses? Who cares?

This is another of those inconsequential red-herring issues designed to distract you while the politicians steal the country right out from under you. You had better worry about why one euro costs $1.19 rather than whether two homosexuals can get a piece of paper at the county courthouse.

Logically, to forbid something, one must demonstrate that the forbidden act will cause harm to others. OK. What harm will befall you and me and our children if two homosexuals get a marriage license? Well, I'm waiting. I'm sorry I have nothing to contribute. I can't think of any harm it will cause to anyone.

The fact that the state has intruded itself as a third party in every marriage does not add to the sanctity of the marriage. It is just a state license, like a license to be a plumber. As far as the state is concerned, a marriage license is a license for a civil union, since the state doesn't care whether a preacher or a notary public marries you.

"Civil union" is a political euphemism for marriage. It allows the politician to get votes from both sides. The politician can be in favor of civil union but not marriage. That's like a legislator being "personally opposed" to abortion but voting to legalize it. We already have a surplus of hypocrisy in this country. Let's not add to it with euphemisms.

Well, homosexual acts are against God's law, you say. OK, presumably God will enforce his own laws. You won't find in the Christian Bible any passage that says the responsibility for enforcing God's laws rests with the secular state. There are several acts denoted as sins that are not illegal.

Furthermore, Christianity is a personal religion, not a tribal or state religion. If you wish to be a Christian, then you have a personal obligation to obey the commands of the Christian religion. Whether someone else does or does not is of no concern to you. You can be a devout, scrupulously pure Christian in the midst of the most outrageous sinners. Your obligation is to obey God's commandments, not to compel someone else to do it.

Protestants in particular have a problem. It was the Protestants who said: "We don't need no Pope or priest to interpret the Bible. Everybody can read it and interpret it for themselves." Well, everybody includes homosexuals. Protestants have been arguing and even fighting over interpretations of the Scripture for centuries, but again, that is a private affair and no concern of the secular state.

Some people have acted as if state recognition of homosexual marriages will cause the whole of Christian morality to collapse. I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but traditional Christian morality collapsed in this country long before homosexuals came out of the closet. This is a secular, decadent, even freaky society, or have you not noticed? Watch MTV or go to the movies or watch prime-time television. The elites in this country definitely do not practice morality, Christian or otherwise. You are already living in the dawn of a new Dark Age – or whatever the 21st-century equivalent will turn out to be. Don't sweat homosexual marriage licenses. That is the least of our problems.

Since I'm not a plumber, the state's policy on plumbers' licenses is not an issue for me. Since I'm not a homosexual, the state's policy on homosexual marriage licenses is not an issue for me. But as a libertarian, I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people have an incurable itch to control other people's lives.

If homosexuals want a marriage license, give it to them. It won't have any effect whatsoever on our lives or the life of the nation or the course of world history. And a word to homophobes, most of whom are latent homosexuals themselves: Denying them a marriage license does not convert them into heterosexuals.

November 24, 2003

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years, reporting on everything from sports to politics. From 1969–71, he worked as a campaign staffer for gubernatorial, senatorial and congressional races in several states. He was an editor, assistant to the publisher, and columnist for the Orlando Sentinel from 1971 to 2001. He now writes a syndicated column which is carried on LewRockwell.com. Reese served two years active duty in the U.S. Army as a tank gunner.

© 2003 by King Features Syndicate, Inc.

[Raffles]

Homosexuality is wrong,

*snip
Say's you?

[φυδγε]

Homosexuality is wrong, it is not how we are intended to live. That does not give an open season on gays however.

Although I don't really agree, I am starting to appreciate your perspective on this topic.  I found the information you posted about the Nazi's use of the anti-homosexual agenda enlightening.

As to the topic..... I think someone could be into a same sex lifestyle and live a Christian life, but not all Christians would accept them, YET what in the world do all Christians agree on in the first place, they hardly accept each other, the same Bible, or the different sects?

[BlueBaron]

*snip
Say's you?

Say's THE ALMIGHTY and that's who will judge you for promoting and defending homosexuality in fact Raffles your judgement is near.

[Raffles]

Say's THE ALMIGHTY and that's who will judge you for promoting and defending homosexuality in fact Raffles your judgement is near.

Excellent!

Can I have a voluptuous Blonde with Nipple Tassles?

Twit!

[BlueBaron]

Excellent!

Can I have a voluptuous Blonde with Nipple Tassles?

Twit!

Your sin is defending homosexuality not being a homosexual, a very very big sin sir. Don't laugh, because you will cry soon.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Say's THE ALMIGHTY and that's who will judge you for promoting and defending homosexuality in fact Raffles your judgement is near.

Self righteous christian?

[Raffles]

Your sin is defending homosexuality not being a homosexual, a very very big sin sir. Don't laugh, because you will cry soon.

Nah, I'm taking a stand for humanity.

You however, are a self-confessed racist, Bigot and Nazi.
Enjoy yourself, because nobody else likes you!
Disgrace to the race!

[scottalexandercowie]

As to the topic..... I think someone could be into a same sex lifestyle and live a Christian life, but not all Christians would accept them, YET what in the world do all Christians agree on in the first place, they hardly accept each other, the same Bible, or the different sects?

We are living in a dark age and most professed believers are not actual believers. False teachings and false teachers are everywhere fleecing and devouring the sheep of God's pasture. Many are taken in and deceived. Those with the most light have realized that the Authorized version ( King James Bible ) and its underlying texts are the true word of God.

But just knowing which one is the actual Bible doesn't mean that we can actually figure out what it always means and how to apply it to our lives.

The Bible talks about three types of men.

The natural man, who cannot understand the things of God nor discern them, sort of like a light bulb without electricity.

Then there is the Carnal man and the Spiritual man. These are the states of Christians.

The carnal man can act very much like the natural man and sometimes even worse. Certainly in our age this appears to be the case most of the time. The spiritual man is one who is being lead by and filled with the Holy Ghost.

Christians are being hit from within and without and it is hardly any wonder that most do not know which way to turn, most don't even know which one is the Bible and their preachers are hirelings making money off them, or conning them for political purposes.

But some of us are waking up and are getting kicked out of the churches or leaving them, Christianity itself is still a very real thing. And we have a Canon or ruler or measuring stick by which to measure ourselves by, and Jesus will get through to us eventually.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Nah, I'm taking a stand for humanity.

You however, are a self-confessed racist, Bigot and Nazi.
Enjoy yourself, because nobody else likes you!
Disgrace to the race!

Calling it as you see it as you so like to do, does not stop you from being rude. Were you not taught any manners as a child? Or do you just choose to ignore them?

[DAVIDE MTL]

another whackjob comment by one who has fallen for the greatest NWO hoax of all: Religion.

ok goofy, I believe in Jesus so that means I fell for the nwo hoax? or are you questioning the agenda to feminize the male? either way you should do some more research before commenting like a fruitcake

[Raffles]

Calling it as you see it as you so like to do, does not stop you from being rude. Were you not taught any manners as a child? Or do you just choose to ignore them?

I was an adult before you were a child.
Chastise people who are showing hatred and intolerance before looking into your elders manners!
Questioning my upbringing is rude, in and of itself, or weren't you taught any better?

[scottalexandercowie]

You are correct and because he says I shall see no mourning his judgment shall be greater.... Thank you my brother or sister...
 Thank you Scott , may the Lord be with you.

And you my friend.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

I was an adult before you were a child.
Chastise people who are showing hatred and intolerance before looking into your elders manners!
Questioning my upbringing is rude, in and of itself, or weren't you taught any better?

Oh please, you have no idea how old i am, nor should it matter in this context, just because you are an old man doesnt mean you get to be a rude old man. I was taught pay everyone respect and to treat others how i would want to be treated. Go ahead and ask me if i was taught manners as a child and i will give you a sincere answer.

[Raffles]

Oh please, you have no idea how old i am, nor should it matter in this context, just because you are an old man doesnt mean you get to be a rude old man. I was taught pay everyone respect and to treat others how i would want to be treated. Go ahead and ask me if i was taught manners as a child and i will give you a sincere answer.

Your job, as moderator, is to keep this discussion on topic and fascillitate discussion.
Kindly limit yourself to your designated role!
You have failed to date!

[BlueBaron]

Self righteous christian?

I'm not a Christian, nor am I self righteous, just stating the Bible and God's word.

[BlueBaron]

Nah, I'm taking a stand for humanity.

You however, are a self-confessed racist, Bigot and Nazi.
Enjoy yourself, because nobody else likes you!
Disgrace to the race!

I am not a self confessed racist, I am not racist, I have never told you I was racist, I think your a big simple.

Lots of people like me, just not gay people.

[φυδγε]

I'm not a Christian, nor am I self righteous, just stating the Bible and God's word.

Self righteous human being who states the Bible and God's words?

[BlueBaron]

Self righteous human being who states the Bible and God's words?

I didn't realise monkeys can speak, seems this evolution thing is working out alright for you.

[φυδγε]

I didn't realise monkeys can speak, seems this evolution thing is working out alright for you.

Aw you're so kind.

Whether you're a christian or a skinhead or just a human being, you are for sure self righteous.  Can you answer the post or is name calling your forte?

[BlueBaron]

I'm not a skinhead what gives you that idea? I'm not a Christian or self righteous because I'm not righteous.
All I'm doing is stating what the Bible says.

[φυδγε]

I'm not a skinhead what gives you that idea? I'm not a Christian or self righteous because I'm not righteous.
All I'm doing is stating what the Bible says.

Well, I am not a monkey, so what ever in the whole wide world gave you that idea?

You are righteous because you judge others over and over and over again ad infinitum.

You are righteous because you protest way way way too much here in these threads.

Now why are you always name calling and fighting on this forum when it's against the rules of this forum?

[BlueBaron]

Well, I am not a monkey, so what ever in the whole wide world gave you that idea?

You believe in evolution.

You are righteous because you judge others over and over and over again ad infinitum.

You are righteous because you protest way way way too much here in these threads.
 

Thou has said.

Now why are you always name calling and fighting on this forum when it's against the rules of this forum?

I'm not always name calling, and I'm not always fight, where do you get those facts, as they are false. But I do fight fire with fire, if someone calls me a name, I don't always call them one back, but the door is open to do so if I want.

[φυδγε]

You believe in evolution.

Proof?

Or you're making it up!!

[BlueBaron]

Proof?

Or you're making it up!!

Are you saying you believe God put us here then?

[φυδγε]

Are you saying you believe God put us here then?

I never said anything about this topic.

Strawman much?

Where's your proof?

[BlueBaron]

Well let us know, do you believe in evolution of God, or another theory, please let us know fine sir.

[φυδγε]

Well let us know, do you believe in evolution of God, or another theory, please let us know fine sir.

Well, you tell me since you claimed that you knew, otherwise you are attacking me.

Let's review.

You wrote this

I didn't realise monkeys can speak, seems this evolution thing is working out alright for you.

To which I responded that I was not a monkey and asked why you would call me one, since name calling and personal attacks are against the forum rules.

Then you wrote this

You believe in evolution.

To which I responded that you needed to provide proof that I believe in such thing since I've never really mentioned that topic and you seem to be name calling and making personal attacks.

Then you wrote this

Are you saying you believe God put us here then?

Which has nothing to do with proving anything.  Can you provide proof that I am a monkey or that I believe in evolution?

If not then I believe this would constitute a personal attack which is against the rules.

And I bet you've already been banned for this once....hmm I wonder what happens when you're banned and you come back and you play the same damn game of attacking people again and again and again ad infinitum.

I wonder how long you'll make it here on the forums before this very behavior gets you banned again.

[BlueBaron]

Well, you tell me since you claimed that you knew, otherwise you are attacking me.

Let's review.

You wrote this
To which I responded that I was not a monkey and asked why you would call me one, since name calling and personal attacks are against the forum rules.

Then you wrote this
To which I responded that you needed to provide proof that I believe in such thing since I've never really mentioned that topic and you seem to be name calling and making personal attacks.

Then you wrote this
Which has nothing to do with proving anything.  Can you provide proof that I am a monkey or that I believe in evolution?

If not then I believe this would constitute a personal attack which is against the rules.

And I bet you've already been banned for this once....hmm I wonder what happens when you're banned and you come back and you play the same damn game of attacking people again and again and again ad infinitum.

I wonder how long you'll make it here on the forums before this very behavior gets you banned again.

I ain't banned, stop being silly. You know your a evolutionist, stop trying to side track.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Your job, as moderator, is to keep this discussion on topic and fascillitate discussion.
Kindly limit yourself to your designated role!
You have failed to date!

i am trying to facilitate the conversation, to ascertain whether you are so rude and abrasive because you were not taught any manners, or whether you simply choose to ignore them.

[Raffles]

i am trying to facilitate the conversation, to ascertain whether you are so rude and abrasive because you were not taught any manners, or whether you simply choose to ignore them.

Hush.
Just do your job and we'll all be fine.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

I'm not a Christian, nor am I self righteous, just stating the Bible and God's word.

as contra pointed out, you can dodge all you like, but hiding behind the Bible does not mean you can be self righteous.

it would be like me insulting someone and then saying that's not me insulting you, its some book i read.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Hush.
Just do your job and we'll all be fine.

i am doing my job, YOU are my job. people like you that is. i shouldnt have to clarify this, but you will no doubt try to side track by some comment like why am i just focused on you. im not. but someone clearly as rude as you, self evidently warrants the attention of a moderator.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

What in the world is all this flap and hullabaloo about homosexual marriage licenses? Who cares?

This is another of those inconsequential red-herring issues designed to distract you while the politicians steal the country right out from under you. You had better worry about why one euro costs $1.19 rather than whether two homosexuals can get a piece of paper at the county courthouse.

Logically, to forbid something, one must demonstrate that the forbidden act will cause harm to others. OK. What harm will befall you and me and our children if two homosexuals get a marriage license? Well, I'm waiting. I'm sorry I have nothing to contribute. I can't think of any harm it will cause to anyone.

The fact that the state has intruded itself as a third party in every marriage does not add to the sanctity of the marriage. It is just a state license, like a license to be a plumber. As far as the state is concerned, a marriage license is a license for a civil union, since the state doesn't care whether a preacher or a notary public marries you.

"Civil union" is a political euphemism for marriage. It allows the politician to get votes from both sides. The politician can be in favor of civil union but not marriage. That's like a legislator being "personally opposed" to abortion but voting to legalize it. We already have a surplus of hypocrisy in this country. Let's not add to it with euphemisms.

Well, homosexual acts are against God's law, you say. OK, presumably God will enforce his own laws. You won't find in the Christian Bible any passage that says the responsibility for enforcing God's laws rests with the secular state. There are several acts denoted as sins that are not illegal.

Furthermore, Christianity is a personal religion, not a tribal or state religion. If you wish to be a Christian, then you have a personal obligation to obey the commands of the Christian religion. Whether someone else does or does not is of no concern to you. You can be a devout, scrupulously pure Christian in the midst of the most outrageous sinners. Your obligation is to obey God's commandments, not to compel someone else to do it.

Protestants in particular have a problem. It was the Protestants who said: "We don't need no Pope or priest to interpret the Bible. Everybody can read it and interpret it for themselves." Well, everybody includes homosexuals. Protestants have been arguing and even fighting over interpretations of the Scripture for centuries, but again, that is a private affair and no concern of the secular state.

Some people have acted as if state recognition of homosexual marriages will cause the whole of Christian morality to collapse. I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but traditional Christian morality collapsed in this country long before homosexuals came out of the closet. This is a secular, decadent, even freaky society, or have you not noticed? Watch MTV or go to the movies or watch prime-time television. The elites in this country definitely do not practice morality, Christian or otherwise. You are already living in the dawn of a new Dark Age – or whatever the 21st-century equivalent will turn out to be. Don't sweat homosexual marriage licenses. That is the least of our problems.

Since I'm not a plumber, the state's policy on plumbers' licenses is not an issue for me. Since I'm not a homosexual, the state's policy on homosexual marriage licenses is not an issue for me. But as a libertarian, I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people have an incurable itch to control other people's lives.

If homosexuals want a marriage license, give it to them. It won't have any effect whatsoever on our lives or the life of the nation or the course of world history. And a word to homophobes, most of whom are latent homosexuals themselves: Denying them a marriage license does not convert them into heterosexuals.

November 24, 2003

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years, reporting on everything from sports to politics. From 1969–71, he worked as a campaign staffer for gubernatorial, senatorial and congressional races in several states. He was an editor, assistant to the publisher, and columnist for the Orlando Sentinel from 1971 to 2001. He now writes a syndicated column which is carried on LewRockwell.com. Reese served two years active duty in the U.S. Army as a tank gunner.

© 2003 by King Features Syndicate, Inc.

this deserves to be read again, no pun intended.

[Geolibertarian]

this deserves to be read again

Indeed it does, especially by the fundies who literally obsess over that ridiculous issue.

[Raffles]

i am doing my job, YOU are my job. people like you that is. i shouldnt have to clarify this, but you will no doubt try to side track by some comment like why am i just focused on you. im not. but someone clearly as rude as you, self evidently warrants the attention of a moderator.

What is "rude" about asking you to do your job?

[BlueBaron]

as contra pointed out, you can dodge all you like, but hiding behind the Bible does not mean you can be self righteous.

it would be like me insulting someone and then saying that's not me insulting you, its some book i read.

Well that is the situation, The Book condemns us all, some more than others thats why we need to accept THE MESSIAH and his word, because we are really evil.

[Aerioch]

Can you be Gay & Christian?



The facial expression on this former Hitler Youther turned Pope is fairly disturbing.  

What do you think is on the mind of this man in silk PJ's, as he stares at the children pictured?