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Did the harlot continue in her life of sin or did she go, and sin no more ?
Do you sin no more? We all sin. Even after forgiveness. The word sin comes form latin meaning without, by implication without God. all sin is being that which is without God. When God tells you to take a right hand turn and you don't that is sin. Telling your kid he is stupid is a sin. Are we to believe that everyone once forgiven, never sins again. Think carefully and prayerfully on that. Raffles are you goading again?  |
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2009, 07:55:39 PM » |
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Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Ephesians 2:7-9
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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I truly hate when people say that they know people who are "good" people and that just because they are gay or believe something else does not mean that they will not go to heaven. This is pure crap. God is a peaceful and loving God, but he is also a jealous and wrathful God. Yes, God does love you no matter what you do and no matter who you are. No, you will not go to heaven according to the Christian faith unless you believe in God, that Jesus died for your sins, and that you keep God's commandments and follow his will. The bible says in several places in the bible that homosexuality is a sin against God and therefore is not something that you should do if you truly believe in Jesus Christ. Just because God loves you does not mean that you are reserved a room in God's house. It is like having a crack addict for a son. If your son cannot be helped and stopped you must at a certain point let go and stop letting him drag both of your lives down. You still love your son and care about him, but in the end you must let go and let them ruin themselves if that is what they desire. Also the fact that gay people use the rainbow as their symbol offends me equally being a sign that God gave to remember what happened with Noah and the flooding of the earth. They use a symbol of God's covenant as a symbol of them sinning against God.
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*Sigh* Quote until you go blue in the face... Look I know I'm a good person with a good soul who believes in truth, honour, justice and freedom. Jesus existed and I believe he is more than just a man. His principles of love, truth and happiness are what I admire about him. The fact that I'm not a Christian is irrelevant, when I die I hope that I will live on in peace with others that have passed on before me. I was baptised as a Catholic (Here we go...  ) but not religious and haven't attended church willingly ever. Does that mean I deserve to burn? If not then where do I go after I die? Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Ephesians 2:7-9
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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What is a "proper" Christian? "proper". A "proper" Christian believes the Bible. The Bible says homosexuality is very bad, worthy of death and burning for eternity. Many Christians choose to ignore these parts of the Bible in a bizarre shopping trolly approach to Christian belief. It's either the word of God or it isn't. You kinda destroyed your own arguement there!
You are stating your opinion, based neither on what some would have you believe is the word of god If the Bible is the word of God then God is insane. and alluding to some kind of Genetic expertise. There is no evidence of a gay gene there is only b*llsh*t. |
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Though the scriptures says it, and says why it's so, it's still amazing to see just how ignorant people are about what the bible says, believers and unbelievers alike.
The question has an involved answer that requires one to understand the "why" given in the scriptures. Many people don't understand the battle between the lusts of the flesh and the spirit...
"For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16 (KJV)
But what is "lusts of the flesh"?...
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Galatians 5:13-26 (KJV)
So, yes, a person can be gay and christian, they just need to abstain from their fleshly lusts, like any other believer. And if they actually believe the bible, they will know that "men with men, doing that which is unseemly" is a sin itself, BUT that in itself does not preclude the person from salvation. The nature of the flesh and spirit is also very well described here...
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
3 So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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"proper".
A "proper" Christian believes the Bible. "Belief" in the Bible seems to be opn to interpretation? The Bible says homosexuality is very bad, worthy of death and burning for eternity. Without mentioning "Homosexuals" once. Many Christians choose to ignore these parts of the Bible in a bizarre shopping trolly approach to Christian belief. Or 'Cherry picking'. Same thing. It's either the word of God or it isn't. It isn't If the Bible is the word of God then God is insane. It's the word of man and man is clearly insane. There is no evidence of a gay gene there is only b*llsh*t.
There's certainly evidence. It's inconclusive rather than unproven. The case of Identical twins, like John Barrowman and his brother is an interesting one. I know two identical twins, one is Gay and one isn't and I've had many conversations with them about it. What do you know about it? |
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Without mentioning "Homosexuals" once. Leviticus 18:22 New American Standard Bible (©1995) 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. King James Bible Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. American King James Version You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. American Standard Version Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Douay-Rheims Bible Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination. Darby Bible Translation And thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination. English Revised Version Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Webster's Bible Translation Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. World English Bible "'You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable. Young's Literal Translation And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it is. Seems like it does, Im sure there are more. |
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Except in Hebrew, they would use the word we translate as "know".
As I said, the word "Homosexual" is not used, nor is "Gay".
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Except in Hebrew, they would use the word we translate as "know".
As I said, the word "Homosexual" is not used, nor is "Gay".
I dont know, it looks pretty straight forward in the Hebrew also. Strong's H7901 - shakab ) to lie down a) (Qal) 1) to lie, lie down, lie on 2) to lodge 3) to lie (of sexual relations) 4) to lie down (in death) 5) to rest, relax (fig) b) (Niphal) to be lain with (sexually) c) (Pual) to be lain with (sexually) d) (Hiphil) to make to lie down e) (Hophal) to be laid It seems to be a word associated with sexual intercourse. Id have to say your wrong. |
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Yes you can be gay and be a Christian, because Christianity is of the Devil like homosexuality.
But you cannot be a homosexual and be following THE MESSIAH because THE ALMIGHTY is HOLY and homosexuals are wicked devils of their father satan.
Anyway Raffles you don't except the Bible, so why are you posting this post, I tell you why to TROLL and promote your nasty ideology of men covering their penis's with feces and calling it normal.
Raffles you are a nasty wicked dog, that's what THE ALMIGHTY say's not me, so if you have a problem take it up with him.
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2009, 08:46:25 AM » |
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I did, sorry if you didint like it. No you quoted scripture not your opinion. I had specific questions..not doubts on what is said in the Bible. *Sigh* Quote until you go blue in the face...
Look I know I'm a good person with a good soul who believes in truth, honour, justice and freedom.
Jesus existed and I believe he is more than just a man. His principles of love, truth and happiness are what I admire about him.
The fact that I'm not a Christian is irrelevant, when I die I hope that I will live on in peace with others that have passed on before me. I was baptised as a Catholic (Here we go... ) but not religious and haven't attended church willingly ever.
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Yes you can be gay and be a Christian, because Christianity is of the Devil like homosexuality.
But you cannot be a homosexual and be following THE MESSIAH because THE ALMIGHTY is HOLY and homosexuals are wicked devils of their father satan.
Anyway Raffles you don't except the Bible, so why are you posting this post, I tell you why to TROLL and promote your nasty ideology of men covering their penis's with feces and calling it normal.
Raffles you are a nasty wicked dog, that's what THE ALMIGHTY say's not me, so if you have a problem take it up with him.
You know what, you must have a great life if this is all you have to worry about. It's not your problem. Let your GOD worry about it. |
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You know what, you must have a great life if this is all you have to worry about.
It's not your problem.
Let your GOD worry about it.
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What is my problem is scum promoting or defending homosexuality.
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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2009, 08:59:55 AM » |
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You calling me scum?
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Yes you can be gay and be a Christian, because Christianity is of the Devil like homosexuality.
But you cannot be a homosexual and be following THE MESSIAH because THE ALMIGHTY is HOLY and homosexuals are wicked devils of their father satan.
Anyway Raffles you don't except the Bible, so why are you posting this post, I tell you why to TROLL and promote your nasty ideology of men covering their penis's with feces and calling it normal.
Raffles you are a nasty wicked dog, that's what THE ALMIGHTY say's not me, so if you have a problem take it up with him.
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you dont take criticism well do you?
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These treads, this one and the Sodom and Gomorrah one, where open for one reason, and one reason only, to push Christians, and those who don't agree with the gay lifestyle, into saying things, in order for Raffles to complain and have them banned, just like before.
He tried to tell the mods, how the forum should be runned, and he didn't get his way, now he is going after those who don't agree with him.
Come on people, this is his agenda, don't fall for it, let him post by himself, he'll get bored and go away!!
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The Church Elite don't seem to have problems with priests/clergy being Pedophiles, most of which are homosexuals.
Instead of turning them over to police, they simply move them to greener pastures.
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The Church Elite don't seem to have problems with priests/clergy being Pedophiles, most of which are homosexuals.
Instead of turning them over to police, they simply move them to greener pastures.
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The Church Elite don't seem to have problems with priests/clergy being Pedophiles, most of which are homosexuals.
Instead of turning them over to police, they simply move them to greener pastures.
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Why what would you do, I can meet you if you want, we can discuss it. Sure, bring your skinhead mates with you. You call people bigots.
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Sure, bring your skinhead mates with you.
I call people for what they are.
You have proven yourself to be a Bigot, a Racist and a Moron.
You on the otherhand, don't have the guts to get behind whether you are calling me "scum" or not.
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Sure, bring your skinhead mates with you.
I don't have any skinhead mates, sorry. You have proven yourself to be a Racist.
You on the otherhand, don't have the guts to get behind whether you are calling me "scum" or not.
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The Church has nothing to do with God but is the work of satan and that's who they worship.
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Actually it is the church leading the masses to condemn homosexuality, and many other social practices it claims to be non-christian. If I were to make a list of these "non-christian" practices the debate would really get sidetracked.
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Anyway Raffles you don't except the Bible, so why are you posting this post, I tell you why to TROLL and promote your nasty ideology of men covering their penis's with feces and calling it normal.
You know that your post contains inappropriate content? Why are you so obsessed with all the little details if it is so bad and against the rules? Why do you go on and on about this stuff as if you wish you could partake? You write these details with a little too much excitement. |
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You know that your post contains inappropriate content?
Why are you so obsessed with all the little details if it is so bad and against the rules? Why do you go on and on about this stuff as if you wish you could partake? You write these details with a little too much excitement.
To highlight the nastiness of it all, people don't really thing about those things when talking about gays, it's as if it's so clean, when in fact it's filth. |
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But the church doesn't represent THE ALMIGHTY, it just claims too represent him.
So whatever they get upto is their business and not THE ALMIGHTY's
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Why what would you do, I can meet you if you want, we can discuss it.
You call people bigots.
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« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2009, 10:21:36 AM » |
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The holy Spirit.
Actually don't you mean that men, and women wrote the book claiming to be divinely inspired. Then a church council voted on which books they approved of going to print? You see my point correct? One opinion can be historically traced and verified, while the other needs faith. |
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Dr. Strangelove: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
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« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2009, 10:24:38 AM » |
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Actually don't you mean that men, and women wrote the book claiming to be divinely inspired. Then a church council voted on which books they approved of going to print?
You see my point correct? One opinion can be historically traced and verified, while the other needs faith.
No no I dont, as prophecy proves you a liar. |
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« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2009, 10:25:37 AM » |
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Then a church council voted on which books they approved of going to print? ..and banned all the other books until they were found in 1947. Irenaeus would have fitted into the Soviet/Chinese communist system very well. History is full of people forcing other people to believe what they believe. |
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« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2009, 10:26:32 AM » |
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well, you can certainly be a hypocrite and a christian.
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« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2009, 10:28:25 AM » |
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1947
decimal harmonic 19.47
inscribed tetrahedron within a sphere
19.5 degrees latitude
awesome!!
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