Can you be Gay & Christian

[Raffles]

Comment on the video content only please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmxDbSXvPU&feature=related

[Dok]

no, no you cant.

[msr]

Yep you can if you do not practice your sexuality. It is only wrong to actually go round doing what is wrong. With god thoughts crimes do not exist unlike human governments etc... You can be christian if you do not actually take part in the actual act of gay sex. I am not saying gay sex is wrong, but if your a christian your beliefs should say you do not do it. Whether you do is upto you.

At the end of the day if your gay, its upto you if you practice it, but there are always third type of people. Do you know that there are males not interested in either sex. These people are normally priests or monks, and others. But society says we all need to be doing someone, lol.

[Dok]

Yep you can if you do not practice your sexuality. It is only wrong to actually go round doing what is wrong. With god thoughts crimes do not exist unlike human governments etc... You can be christian if you do not actually take part in the actual act of gay sex. I am not saying gay sex is wrong, but if your a christian your beliefs should say you do not do it. Whether you do is upto you.

At the end of the day if your gay, its upto you if you practice it, but there are always third type of people. Do you know that there are males not interested in either sex. These people are normally priests or monks, and others. But society says we all need to be doing someone, lol.

Thats not true, the very thought of sins are the same as commiting them yourself.

Matthew 5:28

 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

[msr]

Thats not true, the very thought of sins are the same as commiting them yourself.

Matthew 5:28

 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I knew someone would say that, but we are all sinners. All priests and monks still have sexual thoughts you know. We all have some sort of sexuality, and sexual energies. How many priests and monks are closest gays, and where afraid of it, or what ever. I know alot are just not interested in sex, and they are the best ones, but alot of people run to being priests to run from there sexual desires.

I know what you mean, but like i said we are all sinners. But you cannot turn of sexual energies can you, it is very important to humans. Why do you think they do not castrate all sex criminals?

[Chigs]

As with everything Bible related it's down to interpretation ......
I don't see why not

[Raffles]

I knew someone would say that, but we are all sinners. All priests and monks still have sexual thoughts you know. We all have some sort of sexuality, and sexual energies. How many priests and monks are closest gays, and where afraid of it, or what ever. I know alot are just not interested in sex, and they are the best ones, but alot of people run to being priests to run from there sexual desires.

I know what you mean, but like i said we are all sinners. But you cannot turn of sexual energies can you, it is very important to humans. Why do you think they do not castrate all sex criminals?

At conversational level, it's very easy to break down the logic of illogical people.

On forums, it's all to easy to pick up an article or something else somebody else has written and say "Look, here is proof" with complete absence of any comprehension or personal contribution.

For people like Dok, he's ok with a Multiple murderer, or serial rapist going to heaven if he repents his sins, but not a woman who loves another woman, or a man who loves another man....

......because he thinks the Bible tells him so.

[Voskhod3]

NO!

YOU CAN NOT BE GAY AND CHRISTIAN.

THE BIBLE SAYS SO... FACT!

Any Christian who insists you can be is a liar.

Any gay person who wants to be a christian can only do so by ignoring the Bible... but then they are not a proper Christian.

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Disclaimer: I don't agree with the Bible nor do I agree with people who say "gayness" is genetic.

[vCFy7W3SFb]

So George Bush is not a christian

[Raffles]

Any gay person who wants to be a christian can only do so by ignoring the Bible... but then they are not a proper Christian.

What is a "proper" Christian?

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Disclaimer: I don't agree with the Bible nor do I agree with people who say "gayness" is genetic.

You kinda destroyed your own arguement there!
You are stating your opinion, based neither on what some would have you believe is the word of god and alluding to some kind of Genetic expertise.

Think you should go read some books!

[jshowell]

If you're a pitcher no, if you're a catcher then yes, powerbottom no

[KarnEvil9]

If you're a pitcher no, if you're a catcher then yes, powerbottom no

[JesusItrustinYou]

Jesus died to save everyone!  Including gays.  So yes, you can be gay and Christian. But you are supposed to try and live a Christian life.  I am heterosexual and let me tell you I committed tons of sins related to sex...none gay.. But I was never tempted to have gay sex.  If I was, I probably would have because I am weak when it comes to temptation.   I do know one thing -  you can't be Christian and hate or hurt other people.  I'm pretty sure Jesus would tell a gay person to go and sin no more but He would never tell a gay person that he was hated.  In the video the guy says that it's different to be gay in a loving monogamous relationship versus having promiscuous sex.  I don't think so because the whole bible is pretty clear that sex is for married men and women and for life.  What a hard teaching!  For gay or straight!  Thank God for Jesus and the cross or every single one of us would be doomed! (Especially me)

[EriktheRed]

So George Bush is not a christian

George Bush is a flaming pole smoker. Homosexuality is abomination according to the Creator. The whole gay movement comes from Lucifer.

[JesusItrustinYou]

George Bush is a flaming pole smoker. Homosexuality is abomination according to the Creator. The whole gay movement comes from Lucifer.

Every sin is an abomination according to the Creator.  Homosexual acts are just one sin among many.  Just don't spread hate

[xTruthSeekerx]

Every sin is an abomination according to the Creator.  Homosexual acts are just one sin among many.  Just don't spread hate

i do believe he has a point about it being an abomination
why don't like things sugar coated?

[joeblack]

no.

[Raffles]

 I do know one thing -  you can't be Christian and hate or hurt other people.  I'm pretty sure Jesus would tell a gay person to go and sin no more but He would never tell a gay person that he was hated.  In the video the guy says that it's different to be gay in a loving monogamous relationship versus having promiscuous sex.

That's a balanced view for me from a 'Christian' perspective.


 

I don't think so because the whole bible is pretty clear that sex is for married men and women and for life.

Except, the 'state of marriage' existed before Christianity.
In fact, the Bible doesn't mention it at all.
It's only recently, that we've come to believe that marriage is associated with the Church!

[Dok]

  Except, the 'state of marriage' existed before Christianity.
In fact, the Bible doesn't mention it at all.
It's only recently, that we've come to believe that marriage is associated with the Church!

Ruffles is wrong again, as he is on many issues.

Gen 2

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

[Raffles]

Ruffles is wrong again, as he is on many issues.

Gen 2

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Where is the word "marriage"?
Where does it say that "marriage takes place in Church"

Can you speak for yourself or just quote scripture?

Is it just me, or is this guy an idiot?

[JesusItrustinYou]

That's a balanced view for me from a 'Christian' perspective.


  Except, the 'state of marriage' existed before Christianity.
In fact, the Bible doesn't mention it at all.
It's only recently, that we've come to believe that marriage is associated with the Church!

Well Jesus said that divorce was only introduced with Moses (because the people were so hardhearted) and that it was not that way from the beginning.  In the beginning a man and a woman were married for life.

[Dok]

Where is the word "marriage"?
Where does it say that "marriage takes place in Church"

Can you speak for yourself or just quote scripture?

Is it just me, or is this guy an idiot?

wow, just cant stop with the name calling can you.

Hebrews 4:12

 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[luckee1]

There is no marriage ceremony in the bible.  And the few times brides and grooms were mentioned in the bible , it had nothing to do with church.

Your question Raffles is silly.  

If I could believe that the great spirit came and impregnated  mary and she then gave birth to a boy who grew up and did some outstanding miracles died by crucifixion, then got back up 3 days later hung out with a bunch of his favorite friends for 40-50 days, then went back to the other world of spirit again...................

Of course I know you can be gay and christian!   To doubt that, would be to doubt Jesus.  We are all supposed to have the faith of a child.  To believe otherwise would be silly.  Jesus loved the harlot.  Jesus had compassion on all.  (whispers especially me!)

[Raffles]

Well Jesus said that divorce was only introduced with Moses (because the people were so hardhearted) and that it was not that way from the beginning.  In the beginning a man and a woman were married for life.

Which Church did Adam and Eve marry in?
Were 'rings' exchanged?

None of the pre-Bible Romans got married, made commitments?

Just admit it's bollocks and move on!

Back on topic.... it's surely up to God/Jesus who get's in at the gate.......and I bet some of the 'hateful/bigoted' people on here will find themselves waiting in a long queue.

I'm on the guest list.
I'll wave as I go past em.

[Dok]

Of course I know you can be gay and christian!   To doubt that, would be to doubt Jesus.  We are all supposed to have the faith of a child.  To believe otherwise would be silly.  Jesus loved the harlot.  Jesus had compassion on all.  (whispers especially me!)

Did the harlot continue in her life of sin or did she go, and sin no more ?

[Raffles]

There is no marriage ceremony in the bible.  And the few times brides and grooms were mentioned in the bible , it had nothing to do with church.

Your question Raffles is silly.

It wasn't really a question.
You gave the answer yourself.

Of course I know you can be gay and christian!   To doubt that, would be to doubt Jesus.  We are all supposed to have the faith of a child.  To believe otherwise would be silly.  Jesus loved the harlot.  Jesus had compassion on all.  (whispers especially me!)

My point and indeed that of the video posted.

[Raincheck]

There is no marriage ceremony in the bible.  And the few times brides and grooms were mentioned in the bible , it had nothing to do with church.

I would argue that there is a marriage ceremony in the bible. You just have to look for it better. 

And this notion that a marriage "has" to be performed in a "church" are laboring under a myth. My wife and I said vows to one another in the witness of God alone, not inside a church or a government institution. I'm sure God recognized it.

[Raffles]

I would argue that there is a marriage ceremony in the bible. You just have to look for it better. 

And this notion that a marriage "has" to be performed in a "church" are laboring under a myth. My wife and I said vows to one another in the witness of God alone, not inside a church or a government institution. I'm sure God recognized it.

See title of thread! 

[mr anderson]

Thats not true, the very thought of sins are the same as commiting them yourself.

Matthew 5:28

 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

We are all God's children  

So the whole you gay and your going to hell is pure b/s. If you love yourself and love one another and haven't sold your soul it'll be fine.

And no amount of scripture twisting and interpretation will change that.

Frankly I would believe Jesus wouldn't approve personally but would understand that he / she are still human beings with good souls who'll care for themselves and their fellow human being in need.

Case closed.

[Dok]

We are all God's children  

So the whole you gay and your going to hell is pure b/s. If you love yourself and love one another and haven't sold your soul it'll be fine.

And no amount of scripture twisting and interpretation will change that.

Frankly I would believe Jesus wouldn't approve personally but would understand that he / she are still human beings with good souls who'll care for themselves and their fellow human being in need.

Case closed.

John 8
 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


Rom 6
 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

[mr anderson]

John 8
 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


Rom 6
 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

You remind me of a Sci-Fi series...Stargate SG-1

There'd be a prior who'd quote scripture endlessly to justify actions.

There's nothing wrong with being gay; it's a personal choice and there's nothing wrong with being a Christian; it's a personal choice.

But you can't tell me that your not part of the "plan" just because your gay (Which I'm not).

[Raincheck]

See title of thread! 

Yes, I see it. Sure looks pretty.

But you asked pretty much the same question that I responded to. If you ask a question, do you not expect a reply? Who were you asking?

A reed shaking in the wind? 

[Dok]

You remind me of a Sci-Fi series...Stargate SG-1

There'd be a prior who'd quote scripture endlessly to justify actions.

There's nothing wrong with being gay; it's a personal choice and there's nothing wrong with being a Christian; it's a personal choice.

But you can't tell me that your not part of the "plan" just because your gay (Which I'm not).

are you upset with me, or what the Bible says? 

[mr anderson]

are you upset with me, or what the Bible says? 

Not at all..

I have many gay and many christian friends so it frustrates me when people quote scripture to mould their argument that a certain lifestyle, culture, religion or race is unfit for an afterlife in peace.

They are very good people that haven't sold out and the fact that they aren't Christian and gay doesn't mean they can't achieve peace after they die.

[Raincheck]

  Again why does Raffles get to promote the NWO on a forum made to destroy it?

Because this is on a "child board" ....look at it as the sandbox of the forum and relax.

[Dok]

Not at all..

I have many gay and many christian friends so it frustrates me when people quote scripture to mould their argument that a certain lifestyle, culture, religion or race is unfit for an afterlife in peace.

They are very good people that haven't sold out and the fact that they aren't Christian and gay doesn't mean they can't achieve peace after they die.

The Bible disagrees with you.

John 3
 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 John 14
 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Raffles]

The Bible disagrees with you.

John 3
 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 John 14
 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

More words that don't mean anything!

[mr anderson]

The Bible disagrees with you.

John 3
 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 John 14
 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

*Sigh* Quote until you go blue in the face...

Look I know I'm a good person with a good soul who believes in truth, honour, justice and freedom.

Jesus existed and I believe he is more than just a man. His principles of love, truth and happiness are what I admire about him.

The fact that I'm not a Christian is irrelevant, when I die I hope that I will live on in peace with others that have passed on before me. I was baptised as a Catholic (Here we go...  ) but not religious and haven't attended church willingly ever.

Does that mean I deserve to burn? If not then where do I go after I die?

[Raffles]

 If not then where do I go after I die?

You ignore all that crap and live THIS life as well as you can.
Focussing on things beyond this life, detract from it.
e.g. Talking to Christian Zombies on here!

[Dok]

*Sigh* Quote until you go blue in the face...

Look I know I'm a good person with a good soul who believes in truth, honour, justice and freedom.

Jesus existed and I believe he is more than just a man. His principles of love, truth and happiness are what I admire about him.

The fact that I'm not a Christian is irrelevant, when I die I hope that I will live on in peace with others that have passed on before me. I was baptised as a Catholic (Here we go...  ) but not religious and haven't attended church willingly ever.

Does that mean I deserve to burn? If not then where do I go after I die?

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Ephesians 2:7-9

 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.