Evolution is a Lie

[klhrevolutionist]

"If we have a philosophy like our founding fathers had, a belief in creation, If folks start believing in creation like our founding fathers they don't make good slaves. The declaration of independence says "we hold these truth to be self-evident that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator". If you get a bunch of men and women together who believe they have rights that come from the creator, those guys don't make good slaves. Their gonna throw the tea in the harbor and start a big war. And their are some folks who would like everybody to believe in evolution because that's a major part of a plan toward a new world order"

Creation Notes,  Evolution & Communism,  Evolution & Christianity

Creation Minute,  CSETV,  Kent Hovind

[Dok]

+1 

[House]

I'm not "religious", but doesn't this make you all "sinners"? 


Romans:13:1-2 says this:

“Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no
authority except that which God has established. The authorities that
exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is
rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will
bring judgment on themselves.”

[Mike Philbin]

I'm not convinced that Atheism (no God) and Evolution (no Garden) are the real weapons of the New World Order.

It's evident that Philosophy was the major trunk road from whence the equally-dogmatic side roads of contemporary corporate religion and contemporary corporate science diverted.

In my mind, there still exists the original (disused) trunk road where Philosophy is still practised as a unification of these warring factions.

You can never know how the universe really is. You can only make pretty pictures from obscure data.

[BaronVonBongo]

I am a Christian, yet do not see evolution as a lie.

You might see this as paradoxical, but that is only if you think all Christians take a literal reading of Genesis. The bible is literally a library. Like any library it contains sections with all genres. The word of God encompasses and surpasses the Human expirience and is written in a way that made it applicable to all times and peoples.
Why would God wish to take away the joy of understanding his creation? Where would the human story be without human endevour? Such question strike at the core of the question as to our purpose in being.

It is and always has been here for us to observe. That everytime we ask a scientific question we are not given back definitive truth but only open a door to questions we couldn;t even ask before is testement to the magnificence of creation.

As a scientist trained in no less than human genetics (not practicing ) it is impossible to see how evolution could be a lie. Not only do you reject the biological record but the geological record.
Think about it, what good would revealing the whole truth of creation not even graspable in our modern age be to a bronze age nomadic tribe? God spoke truthes of our nature not of that which we could grasp by our own endevours, those of the will of he who created the universe from nothing. He who has no beginning nor end. 

The lie is that human society is built upon survival of the fittest. The human free and sentience allowed us to select sexually by arbitary prefences to a large extent. These were and are largely culturally defined. This is something animals are incapable of. Whilst not negating the animal instincts that we do have, it is a lie to say that they are desirable. The bible teaches the antithesis of the animal instinct which is in fact our unique dignity as humans.

The prehistoric record also shows that altruism or more simply love had much part to play in human survival. Without that instinct to cooperate, civilisation could never have came about even if we all had 200 IQs.

[hideousmonster]

Evolution is no lie.

[Dok]

I am a Christian, yet do not see evolution as a lie.

You might see this as paradoxical, but that is only if you think all Christians take a literal reading of Genesis. The bible is literally a library. Like any library it contains sections with all genres. The word of God encompasses and surpasses the Human expirience and is written in a way that made it applicable to all times and peoples.
Why would God wish to take away the joy of understanding his creation? Where would the human story be without human endevour? Such question strike at the core of the question as to our purpose in being.

It is and always has been here for us to observe. That everytime we ask a scientific question we are not given back definitive truth but only open a door to questions we couldn;t even ask before is testement to the magnificence of creation.

As a scientist trained in no less than human genetics (not practicing ) it is impossible to see how evolution could be a lie. Not only do you reject the biological record but the geological record.
Think about it, what good would revealing the whole truth of creation not even graspable in our modern age be to a bronze age nomadic tribe? God spoke truthes of our nature not of that which we could grasp by our own endevours, those of the will of he who created the universe from nothing. He who has no beginning nor end. 

The lie is that human society is built upon survival of the fittest. The human free and sentience allowed us to select sexually by arbitary prefences to a large extent. These were and are largely culturally defined. This is something animals are incapable of. Whilst not negating the animal instincts that we do have, it is a lie to say that they are desirable. The bible teaches the antithesis of the animal instinct which is in fact our unique dignity as humans.

The prehistoric record also shows that altruism or more simply love had much part to play in human survival. Without that instinct to cooperate, civilisation could never have came about even if we all had 200 IQs.

so in your opinoin God is a liar.

[Godsent]

Yes it is....Big time!

[Dok]

Evolution is no lie.

sure it is, it claims its not a religion yet its all based on "assumption" IE: FAITH. that is a lie. 

[hideousmonster]

sure it is, it claims its not a religion yet its all based on "assumption" IE: FAITH. that is a lie. 

Faith is no lie.  Faith is not religion.

[Dok]

Faith is no lie.  Faith is not religion.

faith isnt science. science is fact.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

[hideousmonster]

faith isnt science. science is fact.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Science isn't fact. Science is method. Fact is opinion.

[Dok]

Science isn't fact. Science is method. Fact is opinion.

put evolution up against the scientific method.

[hideousmonster]

put evolution up against the scientific method.

The scientific method is not designed as a lie detector. Evolution is not a lie, and Science can neither confirm nor disprove this.

[Godsent]

The scientific method is not designed as a lie detector. Evolution is not a lie, and Science can neither confirm nor disprove this.

Please do yourself a favore, read the page on this link then talk about Science.



http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

[PplVsNWO]

The scientific method is not designed as a lie detector. Evolution is not a lie, and Science can neither confirm nor disprove this.

True, the scientific method can't really prove a disprove a fact.  What it does is determine weather something is backed by good science or not. If the theory of evolution doesn't stand up to the scientific method, and you still believe it true, that is faith/religion and not science.
So, if you believe the theory of evolution is scientific fact, you must be able to show how it stands up to the scientific method to even start to pass it off as good science.

[hideousmonster]

True, the scientific method can't really prove a disprove a fact.  What it does is determine weather something is backed by good science or not. If the theory of evolution doesn't stand up to the scientific method, and you still believe it true, that is faith/religion and not science.
So, if you believe the theory of evolution is scientific fact, you must be able to show how it stands up to the scientific method to even start to pass it off as good science.

I didn't say evolution is scientific fact. I said it isn't a lie. It's a word with a meaning. A lie requires an intent to mislead... Evolution has no intent. It's a name for observed processes in the world around us, where by systems change over time, through experience. 

[Godsent]

I didn't say evolution is scientific fact. I said it isn't a lie. It's a word with a meaning. A lie requires an intent to mislead... Evolution has no intent. It's a name for observed processes in the world around us, where by systems change over time, through experience. 

It is a big tangled web of deceit, although I agree as far as it goes, is the evolution of progress, That is all.

[hideousmonster]

It is a big tangled web of deceit, although I agree as far as it goes, is the evolution of progress, That is all.

It's easy to call evolution deceitful, but really, it's just one of the many popular ideas that self-serving people use to justify their actions. Before the concept of biological evolution was realized, people were twisting the theories and explanations that preceded it, to justify their prejudices, attrocities, and tyrannies.

Evolution of the species may not be the case, but it's terribly convenient to have an explanation of life and its diversity, without relying on forces, phenomena, and other contributing factors which are not commonly observed in every day life in modern times.

[Godsent]

It's easy to call evolution deceitful, but really, it's just one of the many popular ideas that self-serving people use to justify their actions. Before the concept of biological evolution was realized, people were twisting the theories and explanations that preceded it, to justify their prejudices, attrocities, and tyrannies.

Evolution of the species may not be the case, but it's terribly convenient to have an explanation of life and its diversity, without relying on forces, phenomena, and other contributing factors which are not commonly observed in every day life in modern times.

Only if you think small. when you get into the fact that a bunch of spheres are floating around in a gigantic area, around a bigger sphere that keeps life as we now it sustained on the 3rd sphere. you gotta ask yourself WTF? made this happen.

A big bang just don't cut it!

[hideousmonster]

Only if you think small. when you get into the fact that a bunch of spheres are floating around in a gigantic area, around a bigger sphere that keeps life as we now it sustained on the 3rd sphere. you gotta ask yourself WTF? made this happen.

A big bang just don't cut it!

Big Bang?  My Friend, the Big Bang and the Evolution of life are two completely seperate subjects. Believe it or not, there are people who believe in one without belieiving in the other, and even people who believe in both in addition to holding a belief in intelligent design. Not only are those subjects independent of one another, but there's also a difference between the questions of "what is causing the world to exist" and "what did the world look like, as it changed over time."  Evolution is an answer to the latter, but does not address the former.

[PplVsNWO]

It's easy to call evolution deceitful, but really, it's just one of the many popular ideas that self-serving people use to justify their actions. Before the concept of biological evolution was realized, people were twisting the theories and explanations that preceded it, to justify their prejudices, attrocities, and tyrannies.

Can't disagree with that. Whether evolution is true or not, backed by science or not, it is still being used as justification for an agenda or worse.  Much like global warming...err is it global cooling now?

[Mike Philbin]

this theological bickering doesn't help the INFOWAR.

we're on the brink here, people,  and you're going, "I like the puppet on the left hand, I like the puppet on the right." The puppets are on the hands, we know. We're a conned race, we know.

we need to UNITE against the f**king THIRD WORLD WAR the Global Elite are trying to engineer

can we have some real perspective for a microsecond?

cheers

Mike

[hideousmonster]

this theological bickering doesn't help the INFOWAR.

we're on the brink here, people,  and you're going, "I like the puppet on the left hand, I like the puppet on the right." The puppets are on the hands, we know. We're a conned race, we know.

we need to UNITE against the f**king THIRD WORLD WAR the Global Elite are trying to engineer

can we have some real perspective for a microsecond?

cheers

Mike

That's right, we should be a little more concerned whether or not Big Bangs are in our future, rather than whether or not they're in our past. If the New World Order was made up of creationists, they would still be the New World Order, and would need to be put down, so what do you say we ignore the subjects of biological and universal origins, and focus on the forces that are at work to affect us today.

[Mike Philbin]

TODAY.

correct.

[BaronVonBongo]

Evolution as applied to humans is always the example that is held up as our freedom is taken away.
The NWO is seen as the ultimate in the evolution of society and governance by those that rule.
Science, the rational use of the human intellect has given us material things that could be used for the common good so long as the common good was paramount to those that benefit. When social darwinism first reared its ugly head it was in the context of the industrial revolution in Britain. Factory owners, the upper classes and the new rich used it as a justification to not give workers rights or decent pay and to condemn them into what was a no better system than slavery.
When the people could not be contained by the blatent unjustness of the system, the powers that shifted the focus from them to the 'other'. This could be seen classically in the clash between the two new socialist idologies Communism and Nazism, class struggle or race struggle.
Whilst both looking to evolve their societies they differed on how this New World could be brought about. One ideology said that its is the working man hardened by oppression that forges the New Man, the other says that there is one superior race that is already superior by blood. Evolution in the Darwinian sense made it so that there was the superior Aryan race embattled in the struggle against the inferior races who would destroy it.
Now neither side had it right. The communists despite overwhealming evidence to the contary sided with Lysenkoism which postulated inheritance of aquired characteristics. An example being the giraffe only grew its long neck over generations of horses straing to reach hard to get leaves. This was purely on ideological grounds. Applied to agronomy it supported vernalisation, or the exposure of seeed to extreme cold of time, to produce greater yeilds, i.e. the seeds had to struggle to bear fruit.
The Nazis reliance on pure Darwinism gave them the grounds to slaughter alot of people in the name of race hygine, that were polluting the gene pool of the Aryans.
Now science supports neither proposition in light of curent knowledge. Against Hitler's we have the fact that we know inbreeding in a population causes there to be an increased chance of genetic disease due to the fact that whilst in the population some disease alleles (1 half of a diploid gene from mother or father) are way more prevelant in certain populations. The wealth of literature on single gene diseases is exhaustive. We are now looking at disease caused by many allelic variants of small and moderate effect and their interaction with the environment to produce a phenotype.
In Lysenkonisms defense there was emphasis on the environment to bring change on the organism genetically and that is somewhat true when we consider epigenetic effects and the effects of mutagens on gametes.
So we can see a shining example of how incomplete knowledge (i.e. the notion of hertibility but not the mechanism by which it happens) of a biological fact can and always is used by the ruling class to serve their purposes.

Now going biblical.
We now of the basic philosophy of the NWO. The belief that Men can become God's through the sculpting of their own environments playing by their own rules and yet somehow managing to reach a consensus. That cannot be, not without changing the mindset of the people.
Before the dawning of the Enlightenment the notion of authority was the temporal authority invested in a regime through the will of God/gods. The preisthood were the go between between the temporal and the heavenly so rulers may be seen to have been at the will of the priesthood since ancient times, even pre-Moses.

Now there is one priesthood in this world today that holds all the cards. Their message is freedom from the bonds of old dull oppression, on the evolution of the soul (transendence) and experiential materialism. When someone says Im not religious I am spiritual this is short hand for saying I believe in somehing geater than myself who is authority but I will not be tied to a higher authority.
'The only authority I need believe in is myself and in that of the nation state to which I belong. Where they get their authority from I don't really know or care but I have heard notions of God/God's in there somewhere so I am somewhat placated'.
We see the authority today but we do not see the priesthood in this one world state.
When you realise that this priesthood is the same priesthood who stated every major war and finished it for their benefit in modern times, you realise the Illuminati.
When you realise the existence of this priesthood you delve into their philosophy and see it draws on claims of old and ancient authority from the priesthoods of the ancients. You see that they believe or want us to believe that Christianity and all religions that give authority to one not of this world are evil and must be brought down. You see the belief system they profess is at its core Kabalistic gnosticism or God knowledge. Despite Gnosticisms link with Christianity through the gnostic texts and the lies of Dan Brown its at its beginnings the marriage between the Egyptian and 'Atlantean' mystery schools and the Judaic belief in the One God. The struggle of God's people and the people of the world is the story of the bible from Genesis to Revelations.
The New age philosophy is Theosophy which is also another way of saying God knowledge more directly. Its tenants are the same as the Kabbalah.
Now Kabbalah and associated philosophy is essentially the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil from which in Genesis God told Adam and Eve they must not eat from or they would surely die, yet they did.
The serpant Satan told them that surely they would not die if they would eat but if they ate they could be as Gods themselves.
Now they did not surely die did they? Was God lying? Thats what they would say of course. But they did not die literally. God was talking about their death in the next life, the death of innocence. Death being separation from God. This gives credibilty to my assertion that Genesis is to be read figrativly and you should not call it lies. Gods revelation to man is in line with what we need to understand for our times. In that sense it is perfect as it does not take away our freedom to choose between God and Satan.

Now everything from Tampon adverts to Star Tek talks of becoming like God's of Goddesses. Why is this in countries which are supposed to derrive their authority from God if you care to ask them?
The NWO is close to achieving their Goal, the same goal as that of the serpant killing belief in God or at least in his greatness.

This is why this 'theological bickering' is necessary. We must understand their 'theology'-Lucerferian, in order to make a stand and combat it. You must know your enemy.
If you find your beliefs to be that the world can be perfected by Man and Man alone I would say that even if you know it not your alligence is already theirs. If in the choice between the material and the spiritual you opt for the material, your alliegence is theirs. As Alicester Crowely self professed chief of staff for satan said, 'do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law'.  His influence in modern society its unsurpassed in my opinion. He was right in that. He died a lonely and very scared man not at all at peace.

If you believe God has a plan for our redemption and put our faith in him/her it/them (depending on religion) then you are untoucahable by the liars.

 
 

[Aerioch]

Which has more observable evidence available to support it's case Evolution, or Creation?

[Dok]

Which has more observable evidence available to support it's case Evolution, or Creation?

creation.

[Voskhod3]

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

That's right.. faith is believing stuff that you can't prove but people will go to hell for not believing you.

[Dok]

That's right.. faith is believing stuff that you can't prove but people will go to hell for not believing you.

who said anything about believing me? getting worried?

[Voskhod3]

who said anything about believing me? getting worried?

Shouldn't you be doing some researching?

[Dok]

Shouldn't you be doing some researching?

no why? I dont see a point as you never post anything. 

[Aerioch]

creation.

So you cite as evidence:

-- a cartoon depicting the cycles of the Sun, Moon, and stars
-- a bible verse

Are you serious?

I'll rephrase that.   If you seriously consider that evidence, then I won't even bother to go any further with this conversation.

[Dok]

So you cite as evidence:

-- a cartoon depicting the cycles of the Sun, Moon, and stars
-- a bible verse

Are you serious?

I'll rephrase that.   If you seriously consider that evidence, then I won't even bother to any further with this conversation.

well sure thats what evolutionists do so why cant i??

Here is Nebraska man.


And heres the only bit of evidence for Nebraska man.



oh ya, it was a pigs tooth. 

[BaronVonBongo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq-ZLC3ubO4

By the way this is all bickering and does not get anyone anywhere, cut it out and deal with the issues.

[Aerioch]

well sure thats what evolutionists do so why cant i??

What cartoon and, or bible verse explains why you have useless physical traits/genes to humans, yet lifesaving to other apes in our family tree?"

Thing such as undeveloped ear muscles?


The muscles connected to the ears of a human do not develop enough to have the same mobility allowed to monkeys.

In the context of human evolution, human vestigiality involves those characters (such as organs or behaviors) occurring in the human species that are considered vestigial - in other words having lost all or most of their original function through evolution. Although structures usually called "vestigial" are largely or entirely functionless, a vestigial structure may retain lesser functions or develop minor new ones.[1]

Vestigial characteristics occur throughout nature, one example being the vestigial hind limbs of whales and snakes. Many human characteristics are also vestigial in other primates and related animals. The following characters have been or still are considered vestigial in humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigial#Coccyx

The ears of a Macaque monkey, and most other monkeys, have far more developed muscles than those of humans and therefore have the capability to move their ears to better hear potential threats.[11] Humans and other primates such as the orangutan and chimpanzee however have ear muscles that are minimally developed and non-functional.[2] A muscle that cannot move the ear, for whatever reason, can no longer be said to have any biological function. In humans there is variability in these muscles, such that some people are able to move their ears in various directions, and it has been said that it may be possible for others to gain such movement by repeated trials.[2] In such primates the inability to move the ear is compensated mainly by the ability to turn the head on a horizontal plane, an ability which is not common to most monkeys— a function once provided by one structure is now replaced by another.[12]

[Dok]

What cartoon and, or bible verse explains why you have useless physical traits/genes to humans, yet lifesaving to other apes in our family tree?"

Thing such as undeveloped ear muscles?


The muscles connected to the ears of a human do not develop enough to have the same mobility allowed to monkeys.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigial#Coccyx

wouldnt that be devolution? ha, do you want to talk vestigial organs and what nots? How about the tail bone?

[Aerioch]

wouldnt that be devolution? ha, do you want to talk vestigial organs and what nots? How about the tail bone?

Your comment shows exactly how much you don't know about the very theory you are attempting to discredit.

[Aerioch]

How about what remains of your useless 3rd eyelid? 

I suppose god wanted to leave something of the evil serpent in his perfected creation?

Eye
Further information: Nictitating membrane

The plica semilunaris is a small fold of tissue on the inside corner of the eye. It is the vestigial remnant of the nictitating membrane (the "third eyelid") which is present in other animals such as birds, reptiles, and fish. It is rare in mammals, mainly found in monotremes and marsupials.[13] Its associated muscles are also vestigial.[2] The plica semilunaris of Africans and Indigenous Australians have been said to be slightly larger than in other peoples.[2] Only one species of primate -- the Calabar angwantibo -- is known to have a functioning nictitating membrane.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigial#Coccyx

[Dok]

Your comment shows exactly how much you don't know about the very theory you are attempting to discredit.

really?? Well if you think anything is Vestigial, i will pay to have yours removed. Sounds fair yes? well start with your tail bone, its vestigial right? I mean you dont need it do you?