best bang for buck

[xTruthSeekerx]

budget will possibly be around 320ish maybe a bit more, handgun thats reliable, i have heard taurus is good.

[jimwill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23yTgnroNDE

Well within the 320 range!

But, I don't think I'd want to fire it, unless it was a life or death situation!

[Zed]

Not much out there to be had right now for under $5-600 (even Used)

my advice, save up or put a decent one on Layaway.

FYI Springfield XD(M)'s and Glocks, and Beretta 92's are three of the best for newbies. (Low maintenance, less to break, easier to strip/clean, reliable, tough as nails and have GREAT Customer Service/warantys)

I would avoid Tarus, they are much more complicated.

[xTruthSeekerx]

how is smith and wesson

[ChristSavage]

If u can get another $300-$400 on ya and quick, u can get a SIG SAUER P226 Elite.  That's what I got (slightly used, which saved me $250), and needless to say, I had heads turning when I got that baby.  Its the same issue handgun as most state highway patrols use, including in my home state.  Otherwise, Taurus is good, and u may be able to find a SIG in your price range, but it won't be a P226 thats for sure.  GL.

[JonTheSavage]

budget will possibly be around 320ish maybe a bit more, handgun thats reliable, i have heard taurus is good.

SKS, or if you can find one, a Saiga AK-47. You MIGHT find a Saiga for that.
If you have one rifle, get a minimum of 1k rounds. cheaperthandirt.com has brown bear FMJ 500 rounds for $140.00.

Pistol doesn't stop body armor. UN, Blackwater, & USNorthcom, all wear LVL 2 or 3.
You won't stop them with a pistol. An AK will shred body armor.

Both rifles fire a 7.62x39, which is a .30 cal. It will blow apart whatever you hit, even large game.
SKS, stock, has 10 rounds, reloadable with stripper clips, and an AK's standard is 30/40 rnds,
with a quick-detach magazine. An AK, or SKS is your best bet for that price.

You might find an SKS for $350 now, if you look hard enough. I got mine when it was $150. My Saiga was $400.

[xTruthSeekerx]

im planning on protecting my family not dying in the streets

[JonTheSavage]

im planning on protecting my family not dying in the streets

Handgun won't protect you from someone wearing body armor.

You should take some training courses, but if you had, you would know that.

IF you still want a handgun, 9mm, or .357 magnum. 9mm is cheaper, but won't stop a crackhead unless you shoot more than 3 rounds through em. Still, it won't stop body armor unless you are a good head shot. That shotgun you got won't either unless you load it with flatchets, which would tear apart titanium. Its illegal to buy them in the US, but not illegal to load your own. I've got a 30rnd box of em for my .20 gauge.

[JonTheSavage]

I wanted to add. You can get a Taurus 5 shot revolver snub-nose .38 special for under $250. It won't stop body armor, but it will leave a mess out of whatever it hits that doesn't.

[xTruthSeekerx]

Handgun won't protect you from someone wearing body armor.

You should take some training courses, but if you had, you would know that.

IF you still want a handgun, 9mm, or .357 magnum. 9mm is cheaper, but won't stop a crackhead unless you shoot more than 3 rounds through em. Still, it won't stop body armor unless you are a good head shot. That shotgun you got won't either unless you load it with flatchets, which would tear apart titanium. Its illegal to buy them in the US, but not illegal to load your own. I've got a 30rnd box of em for my .20 gauge.

fscrew  you with your inflated ego dude seriously i have lost all respect for you if you knew better the force of a shotgun slug on armor is enough to do damage

[xTruthSeekerx]

revolvers out of question don't like

[JonTheSavage]

fscrew  you with your inflated ego dude seriously i have lost all respect for you if you knew better the force of a shotgun slug on armor is enough to do damage

Yeah, you can break a rib, but if someone is pissed, all its going to do is splat lead on their chest.

You buy a shotgun, and think your god. HA, I've owned several shotguns. Hope you can shoot well enough to
get a headshot, because you're gonna need it when the SHTF.

If a sniper has you pinned at 300 yards, what you gonna do? heh?

Your over-religious ego has you blinded.

[Unintelligable Name]

revolvers out of question don't like

They're more expensive than automatics now anyway. The stainless steel ones at least.

[KoWBoY]

If a sniper has you pinned at 300 yards, what you gonna do? heh?

More than likely the same as anyone will: DIE
I would say what type of firearm you have is not going to matter in a situation like that.

[xTruthSeekerx]

Jon you have to realize this whole patriot movement crap is not me i am more concerned with immdiete household defense

[JonTheSavage]

Jon you have to realize this whole patriot movement crap is not me i am more concerned with immdiete household defense

Good luck staying alive when it comes down.

[JonTheSavage]

Actually, from the training videos I have seen a soft vest getting hit by a slug is an assured casualty that is out of the fight. Try a fist sized hole in the chest 4 inches deep. That is collapsed lungs, broken ribs and stopped heart....  

With a ballistic trauma plate, which many now can stop 7.62x39 steel core you are talking about a different situation. Number 12 birdshot is your best bet with invading foreign troops running into your house. Aim for the face... This is not a pretty picture but these are situations that we shall be facing from home invasions. Semi auto 9 rounds of birdshot from 25 feet is just to overwhelming. Can you guys really grasp what that would be like? Even with ballistic goggles the amount of shot would completely shut the senses down. Shoot you dont even need to be a good shot. This is one of the reasons that sawed off shotguns are outlawed, they are just to devastating and indiscriminate for close range.

 For those that are experienced with rapid target acquisition and selective shot placement, I would recommend the Desert Eagle .44mag for close quarters immediate threat situations. I currently have 230 grain hollow points loaded with 14grains of universal. This is a double powder charge from base loads.... it is a little violent out of a revolver but my eagle eats them without a prob and allows double taps at 25 yards at a 12x12.  This custom load is pretty damn hot and is around 1000ft lbs. Comparing that with a 9mm that is 300 ft lbs and considered a defense load.

I've been hit with birdshot in the back at a distance. It doesn't feel good, but its not life threatening. But I will not be that close to someone trying to kill me.

[xTruthSeekerx]

i dont plan on bugging out so yeah

[Unintelligable Name]

i dont plan on bugging out so yeah

God, beam me up, it's rapture time. Yeah me, your chosen one? Oh... I'm not chosen? Well screeeeew you!

[Unintelligable Name]

Ceramic plates... but they're pricey, stiff [obviously] and heavy.

I'm putting my chips on stealth rather than armor. Like some bad RPG where they shoot you in the face if you get it wrong...

[ES]

 I shot my soft vest with a .22 when I first got it in a lower corner in the back. I had it laid down on a concrete slab. It definitely looked like it hurt.

The military body armor for Groups such as the Rangers is firm enough to disperse almost all energy and transfer none to the wearer. The trauma plate on the front is almost an inch thick and as said before can stop 7.62x39 steel core.

 Most 9mm on up pistol rounds loaded hotter than factory defense loads penetrates most soft vests. I have done a little research in this area. Hot 9mm loads loaded to +p+ will punch through level 3 vests. It comes down to surface area and velocity/energy. This is one of the reasons I run .357 sig in my guns with custom hot loads pushing 1600 fps. They will in theory make level 3 body armor useless without needing illegal armor piercing handgun rounds. FMJ should also in theory penetrate better than hollow points. But than hollow points may cookie cutter if the jacket is hard enough.

I have a question. What type of vests would you recommened that would be effective in stopping 223 ammo?

[luckee1]

I dyed the canvas today for my next crawl Gilli suit. I bought the net a couple of days ago and got the mesh for my face today. Also got the burlap at a yardsale already dyed last weekend. Bought the bdu jacket for the top for a meager .50 Cents at a yard sale today.

Hey xtruthseekersx needs one for about $320.00 any recommendations?

[ES]

Good question.....I currently have no answer. 223 or 5.56 shreds standard vests so I would assume you will need to buy level 4 and then insert ballistic plates. The military always provided mine...

Thanks, sounds like something I can't afford. I guess the Good Lord will have to provide my protection.

[luckee1]

qft

[JD Christian]

When it comes to guns, you get what you pay for.  How much are the lives of your loved ones and yourself worth to you?

[JonTheSavage]

I would think that because he wears glasses he will need something that lays down allot of firepower... so either he finds one of these for cheap...




 Or for 320.00 bucks he could probably put one of these together if he lived in the middle east..



 On a serious note I would recommend that he spend all the money on food as he already has a shotgun and that should do whatever he needs. You cant fight if you are dead of starvation.

OH OH OH OH, I WANT!!!!!! Terminator on crank!

[stymo1]

On TS's budget, he needs a tater gun. 

They will hurt ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqrAYg30bp8

[stymo1]

Tater guns were fun.

But these are funner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVms5xxwpEE

[JD Christian]

I'm ready for home defense or a greater call to duty (if needed)...Uhhh, only because I know a guy who knows a guy that has these!   

In the mix: Glock 30 (.45), Glock 22 (.40), Glock 19 (9mm) and Glock 26 (9mm).  Also Springfield XD45 (.45) and Sub-Compact XD40 (.40).  A Sig P220 Compact (.45).  Smith & Wesson SW40VE (.40) and Model 642 (.38 Spc +P).  A Kel-Tec .380.  Remington 710 (.270), 870 Express SuperMag (12ga) and 597 (.22).  Last but certainly not least, the DPMS AP4 Carbine (.223).

 

[freeflying]

OH OH OH OH, I WANT!!!!!! Terminator on crank!

That is a similar mount to the one I watched a little girl die shooting at Knob Creek a while back. Lucky a whole bunch of people didn't die that day. That is a stupid f**king mount.

[ES]

I know this 911 conspiracy nut, who because of his unjustified paranoia about the government, felt the need to purchase these three devil weapons.

[xTruthSeekerx]

is that a mossberg maverick lol?

[jimwill]

I would think that because he wears glasses he will need something that lays down allot of firepower... so either he finds one of these for cheap...




 Or for 320.00 bucks he could probably put one of these together if he lived in the middle east..



 On a serious note I would recommend that he spend all the money on food as he already has a shotgun and that should do whatever he needs. You cant fight if you are dead of starvation.

About 30 years ago I was living in Oklahoma City and there was an article in the newspaper about a guy that bought a crate from Tinker Salvage (Tinker AFB) - when he got it home and opened it there was a 50 cal. aircraft machine gun in it! The idiot gave the machine gun back to the Air Force! (also heard of a guy that wound up with a jet engine the same way!)

[ES]

is that a mossberg maverick lol?

Its a mossberg 500 C. 20 guage.

[xTruthSeekerx]

Its a mossberg 500 C. 20 guage.

ohh ern 20 gauge lul

[Zed]

OK, starting with Lower Priced and working my way up on Simi-Auto Pistols I would Recommend.

Springfield Armory XD



Available Calibers:
9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP, .45GAP (hard to find .45 GAP Ammo).

Sizes available from sub compact up to a 5" barrel model

Pro's: Match grade barrels, good availability, few things to go wrong, easy to clean/maintain.
Con's: not as simplistic as a glock, but close.

Price Range: $450-600


Springfield Armory XDM



Available Calibers:
9mm, .40S&W

Pro's: Match grade barrels, good availability, few things to go wrong, easy to clean/maintain, 3 Grip Backstrap Options to suit your hands, Higher Capacity magazines available than for plain XD sires.
Con's: not as simplistic as a glock, but close.

Price Range: $550-670



Beretta 90-Two



Much the same as the XD's except does not have the additional grip safety.

Calibers Available:
9mm, 40S&W

Price Range: $570-700



Smith and Wesson M&P



Again Much the same as the XD's except does not have the additional grip safety.

Calibers Available:
9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP

Price Range: $500-600



Glock



Simplicity, Reliability - Nuff Said.

Calibers Available:
9mm, .40S&W, 10mm, 357SIG, .45ACP

Price Range: $500-800

[Southern Patriot]

Best bang for the buck.........First up, the Ruger Model 10/22. It is the all aroung most reliable .22lr rifle on the planet. It has a ton of accessories available and can be turned into quite a tac driver. I have one that is outfitted with a number of goodies and I didn't even spend $320 on it total since I do my own gun smithing work. Here is a pic of mine. CCI Stingers, mini mags, and velocitors are the way to go with one of these. Long range for a .22 and good knock down power with well placed shots.

For a pistol, Hi Point makes some nice cheap semi autos. I have a C-9 which I like. It comes standard with one eight round and one ten round magazine. It has a polymer frame and is spot on accurate. The drawback is that it is heavy (about 25 ounces empty) and ten rounds is the biggest magazine available for it. But, for $139 brand new, you can beat it.
They also have a c-9 with a compensator, a .40s&w, and a .45acp available, and all of them are priced under $160.00
Hope this helps...P.S. If you go to your local pawn shop, you should be able to get a nice used 10/22 and a C-9 for what you are budgeting with a few bucks left over for ammo.

[Zed]

Best bang for the buck.........First up, the Ruger Model 10/22. It is the all aroung most reliable .22lr rifle on the planet. It has a ton of accessories available and can be turned into quite a tac driver. I have one that is outfitted with a number of goodies and I didn't even spend $320 on it total since I do my own gun smithing work. Here is a pic of mine. CCI Stingers, mini mags, and velocitors are the way to go with one of these. Long range for a .22 and good knock down power with well placed shots.

He said Pistols dude.

For a pistol, Hi Point makes some nice cheap semi autos. I have a C-9 which I like. It comes standard with one eight round and one ten round magazine. It has a polymer frame and is spot on accurate. The drawback is that it is heavy (about 25 ounces empty) and ten rounds is the biggest magazine available for it. But, for $139 brand new, you can beat it.
They also have a c-9 with a compensator, a .40s&w, and a .45acp available, and all of them are priced under $160.00
Hope this helps...P.S. If you go to your local pawn shop, you should be able to get a nice used 10/22 and a C-9 for what you are budgeting with a few bucks left over for ammo.

Wouldn't have a Hi-Point myself, a friend had one, thing was an unreliable Jam-O-matic that was VERY Picky about what ammo you used.

Although I did remember 2 that you "Might" be able to get cheap, but Holster/parts availability is not to great compared with others.

the Makarov 9mm (seen them as low as $150), and Pistols by Khar ($350+).

[Southern Patriot]

  The Makarov fires a 9X18 round which is not available at your local gun store or sporting goods outlet. You have to order that ammo from catalogs like Cheaper than Dirt and JG Sales. A conventional 9mm fires a 9x19 luger which you can get everywhere.
  The old hi points did jam up like crazy because the slide was too heavy. The old c-9 weighed in at 32 ounces empty. Now that they lightened it up to 25 ounces, they perform a lot better. I have had no problems with ammo. Mine will eat whatever you feed it. As far as holsters, if it fits a glock 17, it will fit the c-9. There aren't any custom grips for it but the Hogue slip ons for the glock fit the c-9.
  As far as any other accessories http://www.hi-pointfirearms.net is the place to go for that. You can order direct from the factory. Also, if you ever have a problem with your weapon, they will most likely replace it. I knew a guy who messed up the grips on his by painting them, then the paint started to crack and peel and look terrible. Anyway, he calls hi-point, tells them what happened, and asks how much a new set of grips are. They sent him a new set for free even though he intentionally messed the old ones up.
For the money, I think it is the best value.
 If you have more to spend though, get the Beretta 92fs. $599 new with two 15-round magazines plus it has a decocker so you can carry it cocked and locked with an extra round in the tube. That is what I carry on the job and I don't care what anyone says, it is the best 9mm on the planet hands down. A whole lot of USPSA shooters use these in competition right out of the box.

[JD Christian]

I would feel rather confident recommending a Hi Point to any of the NWO foot soldiers!