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« on: June 01, 2009, 09:02:57 AM »

Air France regrets to announce the loss of flight AF 447 from Rio de Janeiro - Paris-Charles de Gaulle, expected arrival this morning at 11.10 am local, as just announced to the press by the Director General of Air France, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon.

AF447 Aircraft F-GZCP A330-200 departed Rio de Janeiro on the 31st May 2009 at 19:03 Local time (00:03 paris time).

The aircraft went through a thunderstorm with strong turbulence at 2 am (universal time) or 4:00 GMT. An automated message was received at 2:14 (4:14 GMT) indicating a failure of electrical system in a remote area off the coast.

All civilian air traffic control Brazilian, African, Spanish and french have tried in vain to make contact with the flight AF447. The french military air traffic control tried to detect the aircraft without success.

216 pax onboard, 126 men, 82 women, 7 infants and babies.

12 crew (3 pilots, 9 cabin crew)

Captain 11,000 hrs TT (1700 on Airbus A330/A340)
Copilot 3,000 hrs TT (800 on Airbus A330/A340)
Copilot 6,600 hrs TT (2600 on Airbus A330/A340)

Aircraft equipped with engines General Electric CF6-80E.

Airframe had 18,870 flight hours since commencing service on 18 April 2005.

Last visit maintenance hangar dated 16 April 2009.


http://alphasite.airfrance.com/s01/?L=0

This was a beautiful brand new two-engine Airbus aircraft (picture)

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Airbus-A330-203/1490136/L/

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 03:30:18 PM »



French plane lost in ocean storm

An Air France plane carrying 228 people from Brazil to France has vanished over the Atlantic after flying into turbulence, airline officials say.

The Airbus sent an automatic message at 0214 GMT, four hours after leaving Rio de Janeiro, reporting a short circuit. It may have been damaged by lightning.

It was well over the ocean when it was lost, making Brazilian and French search planes' task more difficult.

France's president said the chances of finding survivors were "very small".

“ Aeroplanes get hit by lightning on quite a routine basis without generally any problems occurring at all ”
David Gleave Aviation Safety Investigations

"It is a catastrophe the likes of which Air France has never seen," Nicolas Sarkozy said after meeting relatives and friends of passengers at a crisis centre at Charles de Gaulle airport.

Earlier, Air France chief executive Pierre-Henri Gourgeon told reporters: "We are without a doubt faced with an air disaster."

He added: "The entire company is thinking of the families and shares their pain."

Flight AF 447 left Rio at 1900 local time (2200 GMT) on Sunday. It had 216 passengers and 12 crew on board, including three pilots. The passengers included one infant, seven children, 82 women and 126 men.

Air France confirmed that there had been 61 French and 58 Brazilians on board.

Among the other passengers were 26 Germans, nine Chinese, nine Italians, six Swiss, five Britons, five Lebanese, four Hungarians, three Irish, three Norwegians and three Slovaks.

Lightning theory doubts

The Airbus 330-200 had been expected to arrive in Paris at 1110 local time (0910 GMT).

Tom Symonds, BBC News transport correspondent The Airbus A330 airliner is likely to have begun its journey tracking the coast of Brazil northwards before striking out across the Atlantic. A few hundred miles from the shore, radar coverage peters out - from there on, crews use high frequency radio to report their position.

The Brazilian Air Force says the plane left radar screens near the islands of Fernando de Noronha, 230 miles from the coast. The firmest clue to its fate comes from the data message sent via a satellite network at 0214 GMT reporting electrical and pressurisation problems. This suggests whatever happened, happened before the crew could put out a mayday radio call. It was likely a sudden and catastrophic emergency. Even a double engine failure at cruising altitude would normally give the crew around half an hour's gliding time.

Air France says the plane may have been struck by lightning - the cause of around a dozen major air crashes in the last 50 years - but it rarely results in tragedy. More likely lightning damaged electrical systems, possibly leading indirectly to the plane's ditching.

Although passengers survived a landing on the Hudson River in New York in January - it is rarely successful, especially in the middle of an ocean the size of the Atlantic.

It made its last radio contact with Brazilian air traffic controllers at 0133 GMT (2233 Brazilian time) when it was 565km (360m) off Brazil's north-eastern coast, Brazil's air force said.

The crew said they were planning to enter Senegalese airspace at 0220 GMT and that the plane was flying normally at an altitude of 10,670m (35,000ft).

At about 0200 GMT, the captain reported entering heavy turbulence caused by Atlantic storms, French media report.

At 0220, when Brazilian air traffic controllers saw the plane had not made its required radio call from Senegalese airspace, air traffic control in the Senegalese capital was contacted.

At 0530 GMT, Brazil's air force launched a search-and-rescue mission, sending out a coast guard patrol plane and a specialised air force rescue aircraft.

France is despatching three search planes based in Dakar, Senegal, and has asked the US to help with satellite technology.

"The plane might have been struck by lightning - it's a possibility," Francois Brousse, head of communications at Air France, told reporters in Paris.

David Gleave, from Aviation Safety Investigations, told the BBC that planes were routinely struck by lightning, and the cause of the crash remained a mystery.

"Aeroplanes get hit by lightning on quite a routine basis without generally any problems occurring at all," he told BBC Radio Five Live.

"Whether it's related to this electrical storm and the electrical failure on the aeroplane, or whether it's another reason, we have to find the aeroplane first."

France's minister responsible for transportation, Jean-Louis Borloo, ruled out hijacking as a cause of the plane's loss.

'No information'

Mr Sarkozy said he had met "a mother who lost her son, a fiance who lost her future husband".

TIMELINE
# Flight AF 447 left Rio at 1900 local time (2200 GMT) on Sunday
# Airbus A330-200 carrying 216 passengers and at least 12 crew
# Contact lost 0130 GMT
# Missed scheduled landing at 1110 local time (0910 GMT) in Paris

"I told them the truth," he said afterwards. "The prospects of finding survivors are very small."

Finding the plane would be "very difficult" because the search zone was "immense", he added.

About 20 relatives of passengers on board the flight arrived at Rio's Jobim international airport on Monday morning seeking information.

Bernardo Souza, who said his brother and sister-in-law were on the flight, complained he had received no details from Air France.

"I had to come to the airport but when I arrived I just found an empty counter," he was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.

Air France has opened a telephone hotline for friends and relatives of people on the plane - 00 33 157021055 for callers outside France and 0800 800812 for inside France.

This is the first major incident in Brazilian air space since a Tam flight crashed in Sao Paulo in July 2007 killing 199 people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8076848.stm#map




Passenger nationalities revealed

Most of the passengers on board the Air France plane which has disappeared over the Atlantic were Brazilians and French nationals, airline officials said.

Air France confirmed 61 French and 58 Brazilian passengers were among the 216 passengers on board flight 447.

A list provided by Brazil's authorities showed 26 Germans were also on board as well as nine Chinese and nine Italians.

Six Swiss, five British, five Lebanese and four Hungarians were on the flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

Those on board also included three Irish, three Norwegians, three Slovaks, two Americans two Moroccans, as well as individuals from Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Demark, the Netherlands, Estonia, the Philippines, The Gambia, Iceland, Romania, Russia, South Africa, Sweden and Turkey.

No details have yet been given about the 12 crew.

Phone line

"Air France expresses its deepest sympathy to the relatives and friends of the passengers and crew who were on board this flight," the airline said in a statement on its website.

It said it was doing its utmost to support relatives and friends, and had set up counselling services at both the French and Brazilian airports.

A special phone line has been set up for relatives and friends.

In France, the number is 0800 800 812. In Brazil, the number is 0800 881 20 20 and for those in other countries the number is 0033 1 57 02 10 55.

The Michelin tyre company earlier said three of its executives were on the flight, including the president of its South American operations, Luiz Roberto Anastacio.

It is also believed that Erich Heine, an executive board member at the German steelmaker ThyssenKrupp, was on board.

He is also the chairman of the company's Brazilian unit - Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico - a joint venture between ThyssenKrupp and a Brazilian mining company.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8077858.stm
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 04:06:40 PM »

Wreckage - including plane seats - spotted floating in ocean in search for missing Air France flight with 228 on board
02nd June 2009
Full article:- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1190307/Wreckage-seen-floating-ocean-search-missing-Air-France-flight-228-board.html

Debris from a plane believed to be missing Air France Flight 447 has been found floating in the ocean some 400 miles north-east of Brazil, the Brazilian Air Force has revealed. Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral said the seats were spotted by search planes early this morning but that authorities have not yet confirmed they were from the plane.

'The search is continuing because it's very little material in relation to the size [of the Airbus A330],' he added. Officials need 'a piece that might have a serial number, some sort of identification' to be sure it came from the missing jet. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday.

If no survivors are found it will be the worst crash since 2001 and the biggest loss of life in Air France's 75-year history.

The debris was found about 375 miles (650 kilometres) north-east of the Brazilian archipelago of Fernando de Noronha - near where the last contact was made with the jet on Sunday night.



Yesterday, pilots flying a commercial jet from Paris to Rio de Janeiro for Brazil's largest airline, TAM, said they saw what they thought was fire in the ocean along the route taken by the missing plane yesterday. The debris found this morning is believed to have been spotted in the same location.

It was spotted as the French defence minister said today the possibility of a terrorist act on the plane 'cannot be ruled out'. No distress signal was received and aviation experts said they did not have enough information to understand how flight AF 447 could have disappeared from radar screens without a trace over the Atlantic.

'All scenarios have to be envisaged,' said French Defence Minister Herve Morin on Europe 1 radio.

'We can't rule out a terrorist act since terrorism is the main threat to Western democracies, but at this time we don't have any element whatsoever indicating that such an act could have caused this accident,' Morin added.

French intelligence agents from the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure) prepared to travel to Brazil to investigate a possible terrorist attack.  Senior French minister Jean-Louis Borloo said it was crucial for searchers to locate the black boxes, or flight recorders, which are programmed to emit signals for up to 30 days.

'This is a race against the clock,' Borloo told RTL radio.

One element that baffled experts was the absence of any distress messages, either human or automatic, from the plane travelling from Rio de Janeiro to Paris on Monday. No mayday message was picked up, nor were any signals received from emergency beacons that should have transmitted automatically.

'It would be very unusual to have all the communications systems fail at once,' said David Gleave, of Aviation Safety Investigations, a UK-based airport and air traffic control risk management consultancy.

'That would tend to indicate that something catastrophic happened.'

Though terrorism has not been ruled out, investigators are also considering the possibility that the plane could have been hit by lightning from a tropical storm and suffered a catastrophic electrical failure.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 01:42:53 AM »

hmmmm... this is interesting... there was a bomb threat on an AF flight off from Buenos Aires a couple of days before the AF447 flight disappeared in the Atlantic Ocean... only the AF scums do not want to hear the world "bomb" concerning the crashed plane.
You have to read the comments after the article. I think they are pretty good...

Bomb threat on Air France flight
Posted on 27 May 2009 at 16:27
Tags: air france, bomb threat, buenos aires, delayed flight, ezeiza, paris

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The airport safety delayed an Air France flight this evening before departring for Paris immediately after the company received a bomb threat over the phone at the airport of Ezeiza.

The Federal Police, along the Firemen’s direction and the Airport’s Safety proceeded to inspect the plane, that arrived this morning from the French city and, after a brief stop, it was preparing to return.

The routine procedure lasted approximately one hour and a half and, as sources of the airport reported all the passengers are ok and they were not evacuated.

http://momento24.com/en/2009/05/27/bomb-threat-on-air-france-flight/

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 03:05:28 PM »

My wife and I were talking about this crash this morning and she heard on Russian news that there were several text messages from the plane that made it through to loved ones basically saying that there was severe turbulence and they were worried they would not make it.

American news thus far has not reported this info as far as I can tell, which goes right in line with what Jesse Ventura was saying the other day on AJ. He said in Mexico he never hears anything about terrorists or terrorism, but here in America thats all you hear. Once again, as always, this disaster is talking about a bomb threat and terrorism. Not so on Russian news. I find it pretty interesting.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 04:10:06 PM »


Re the text messages

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Earlier, reports said some passengers fearing the worst aboard the doomed  Air France Airbus A330 aircraft sent out text messages from their cell phones to their loved ones. The Portugues Jornal de Noticias reported some passengers sent text messages such as “I love you.”

“Some relatives and friends of victims have received that message, by phone, with phrases like ‘I love you’ or ‘I’m afraid’, and even telephone calls warning that something wrong was happening and feared the worst,” said the chairman of Union of Airline, Ronaldo Jenkins in Rio, according to Jornal de Noticias.

There is still no word on whether a claim by a TAM airline pilot that he had seen fires burning over the Atlantic route of the missing flight is accurate.
http://www.vancouverite.com/featured/air-france-flight-447-feared-crashed-with-228-on-board/
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 05:12:11 PM »


Yet still nothing from the american main stream media.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 05:29:39 PM »

You know in spite of the horrible and serious threat posed by criminal drug dealing, Trade Center bombing and child kidnapping lawless MI6/CIA/MOSSAD/Pentagon Mafiosi rings there are still storms in the skies and icebergs in the ocean and accidents can and will still happen.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 05:31:42 PM »

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