two things I disagree with kinky on

[_CREATIONIST_]

his stance on smoking bans and death penalty.

Smoking bans are required nowdays, I do not smoke nor do I agree with smoking. Why should I have to inhale other people's smoke? Sorry but I dont care about business, I care more about my health and when I go to a resturant I dont want to inhale smoke. Also, I am a heavy supporter of the death penalty. Those creeps on death row already had their chance. Im glad we have a conveyor belt running in huntsville. We need to execute more of these people.

[Unintelligable Name]

All one has to do to appreciate smoking bans is head over to Washington state, go to Seattle, and eat at pretty much any Denny's there.

Hooooooooly shit....

It might be less nauseous to just eat the cigarettes instead of the eggs.

[_CREATIONIST_]

All one has to do to appreciate smoking bans is head over to Washington state, go to Seattle, and eat at pretty much any Denny's there.

Hooooooooly shit....

It might be less nauseous to just eat the cigarettes instead of the eggs.

Kinky was just in AJ show and he was saying he is against smoking bans. Thats why I made this topic. Certainly, you cant outlaw smoking because it would just go underground and make things worse. I enjoy being able to go into a resturant and not coming out smelling like smoke.

[Freeski]

Why on Earth can't you just go to a smoke-free restaurant and leave others alone? Smoking bans represent the essence of tyranny.

[_CREATIONIST_]

Why on Earth can't you just go to a smoke-free restaurant and leave others alone? Smoking bans represent the essence of tyranny.

Why should I have to seek a smoke free resturant? Why do you have to poison me or even more important young children with your second hand smoke? You may want to commit slow motion suicide by smoking, but do not poison me or more vulnerable people with second hand smoke.

[Nailer]

Why should I have to seek a smoke free resturant? Why do you have to poison me or even more important young children with your second hand smoke? You may want to commit slow motion suicide by smoking, but do not poison me or more vulnerable people with second hand smoke.

why does the next person have to smell someones cheap cologne that smells like skunk ?  Should I have to endure someone who smells horrible because they use cheap aftershave .  Lets ban all aftershaves and perfumes.      I do not believe their should be smoking bans as that is where the  Control starts .

Better show some respect to us smokers as we pay $1.70 per pack federal tax  and it is supposedly for education and other public program funding.

[Chigs]

There air conditioning units on the market, that can make an area smoke free where people are smoking, there is room for compromise over this matter, an outright ban is tyranny and control, you talk about your rights, what about the smokers? Many of the people who this effects the most are older and started to smoke when it was promoted by the government. Old and stuck in their happy routine of going down the local during the day to have a beer, a smoke and watch the racing.. it's not right! And it's killing the local pubs...

[Atomgrad]

Why should I have to seek a smoke free resturant? Why do you have to poison me or even more important young children with your second hand smoke? You may want to commit slow motion suicide by smoking, but do not poison me or more vulnerable people with second hand smoke.

So why should I have to walk round in the street and breathe the poisonous shit that's spewed out by cars and trucks? I don't own a car, never have, but I still have to breathe that shit.

Let's ban vehicles too.

[_CREATIONIST_]

why does the next person have to smell someones cheap cologne that smells like skunk ?  Should I have to endure someone who smells horrible because they use cheap aftershave .  Lets ban all aftershaves and perfumes.      I do not believe their should be smoking bans as that is where the  Control starts .

Better show some respect to us smokers as we pay $1.70 per pack federal tax  and it is supposedly for education and other public program funding.

Cheap cologne and smoking are two different things. If someone is smoking the whole room is going to have the stench of nasty cigarettes, if someone is wearing cheap cologne it's not necessarily going to smell up the room. Second hand smoke is TOXIC FOR ALL HUMANS ALIVE, Cologne isnt, unless you have an allergy against it which is rare. This is a health issue, Like I said, if you want to commit slow motion suicide by smoking be my guest, but dont force everyone around you to have to pay the price by having to smell that toxic stuff. think of your health and the health of everyone around you.

[powderfinger]

I react much more strongly to cologne than I do to cigarette smoke. In fact, the room starts spinning and I damn near pass out if the scent is strong enough. It's not pleasant.

Our town just put a ban into law and in the last year 30 or so local bars and restaurants closed, leaving some 400 people without jobs. Smoking bans are draconian and they have no place in a free society. If you're going to ban smoking, you might as well ban the other 900,000 chemicals we're subjected to everyday that cause cancer.

[Freeski]

Cheap cologne and smoking are two different things. If someone is smoking the whole room is going to have the stench of nasty cigarettes, if someone is wearing cheap cologne it's not necessarily going to smell up the room. Second hand smoke is TOXIC FOR ALL HUMANS ALIVE, Cologne isnt, unless you have an allergy against it which is rare. This is a health issue, Like I said, if you want to commit slow motion suicide by smoking be my guest, but dont force everyone around you to have to pay the price by having to smell that toxic stuff. think of your health and the health of everyone around you.

Why can't you just choose not to go where smoking is happening? I really don't get why that's not a reasonable solution.

[Lord Groper]

his stance on smoking bans and death penalty.

Smoking bans are required nowdays, I do not smoke nor do I agree with smoking. Why should I have to inhale other people's smoke? Sorry but I dont care about business, I care more about my health and when I go to a resturant I dont want to inhale smoke. Also, I am a heavy supporter of the death penalty. Those creeps on death row already had their chance. Im glad we have a conveyor belt running in huntsville. We need to execute more of these people.

While it is not the role of government to busybody around telling people they can't take drugs or have sex in a certain fashion, it is the role of government to legislate and enforce measures to prevent persons harming others.

Smoking is an example of this which is very unpleasant and health damaging for non-smokers, who have much less bodily defences built up against smoke than smokers, so its doubly bad for them.

However, there should be a provision for a "smoking room" with good ventilation where people can go within an establishment to feed their addiction, rather than out on the street.

In the same way, people should be allowed to snort cocaine and take other drugs that do not infringe on others wherever they choose.

I disagree about the death penalty. Many on death row are innocent and a "mistake" like that is murder (arguably all state killings are murder, just ones judicially sanctioned) and not worth the bad karma, or whatever your religion prescribes for such a crime. Life imprisonment or even hard labour are much preferable.

[peepnklown]

It is all about personal property. The restaurant is not owned by you so; you have no say other than not going to the restaurant. I mean, why should you have to seek a restaurant that sells steak verses lobster? Why not force all restaurants to serve everything so we do not have to search. Of course, this is ridiculous. I should not knock down your door and command your property just like you should not do the same. Now, if we are talking about a government building then yes, we should have a smoking ban. It is all about choice.
I think we can do better than the death penalty. I think we can be more creatively when it comes to having the criminal literally pay back society for their crimes.

[Lord Groper]

It is all about personal property. The restaurant is not owned by you so; you have no say other than not going to the restaurant. I mean, why should you have to seek a restaurant that sells steak verses lobster? Why not force all restaurants to serve everything so we do not have to search. Of course, this is ridiculous. I should not knock down your door and command your property just like you should not do the same. Now, if we are talking about a government building then yes, we should have a smoking ban. It is all about choice.
I think we can do better than the death penalty. I think we can be more creatively when it comes to having the criminal literally pay back society for their crimes.

Laws that protect persons from others apply to private property, and of course they must. Otherwise a restauranteur could permit robbing, racial discrimination, or whatever.

Private property does not have diplomatic immunity and nor should it.

[peepnklown]

So, you are comparing robbing a person with smoking allowed in a private business? This is incorrect. If you do not like smoking then do not go into a restaurant which allows smoking. If you like to walk bear foot then do not go into a shop that says you must wear shoes to enter. I am not talking about fraud, theft or assaults. I am talking about choices.

[Freeski]

So, you are comparing robbing a person with smoking allowed in a private business? This is incorrect. If you do not like smoking then do not go into a restaurant which allows smoking. If you like to walk bear foot then do not go into a shop that says you must wear shoes to enter. I am not talking about fraud, theft or assaults. I am talking about choices.

Zactly.

[scottalexandercowie]

Hitler and the Nazi's were very anti-smoking as well, so you are in good company, and have a lot of historic support for your position.

As for second hand smoke and health risks, I'm as concerned about them as I am about global warming