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« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2009, 02:18:28 AM » |
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I know. That's why I said they need a fair trial, and then serve their time like everyone else.
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« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2009, 03:26:10 PM » |
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"I just Want Out" Where will you go that is better
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« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2009, 06:08:11 AM » |
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Well that makes me feel like the protagonist of Brave New World-- where am I to go? An island?
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« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2009, 06:32:49 AM » |
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Yay, party time! But then im stuck on an island. Can I go to mars like Dr Manhattan? |
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« Reply #85 on: June 09, 2009, 06:47:32 AM » |
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But then im stuck on an island. Can I go to mars like Dr Manhattan?
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« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2009, 06:53:34 AM » |
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« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2009, 01:46:16 PM » |
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I hate this capitalist-consumerist society so much.
Even with all of Americas problems i think that America is still the best country to live in and i would not want to live anywhere else in the world! |
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« Reply #88 on: June 11, 2009, 02:34:38 PM » |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2009, 12:03:54 AM » |
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Even with all of Americas problems i think that America is still the best country to live in and i would not want to live anywhere else in the world!
I dunno, these days it sounds like its pretty nice everywhere else. Even Canada is turning into a security-infested crap hole. |
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« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2009, 12:06:31 AM » |
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I hate this capitalist-consumerist society so much.
The US has not been a true capitalist society since 1914. |
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« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2009, 12:06:47 AM » |
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I dunno, these days it sounds like its pretty nice everywhere else.
Even Canada is turning into a security-infested crap hole.
Root cause: dependence. We need more self reliance. All of us. Bring back OUR responsibility. |
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« Reply #93 on: June 12, 2009, 10:23:23 AM » |
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Root cause: dependence. We need more self reliance. All of us. Bring back OUR responsibility.
But we don't WANT this dependance, they just do it and we have to deal with it. /bookmarked |
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« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2009, 10:31:12 AM » |
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But we don't WANT this dependance, they just do it and we have to deal with it./bookmarked
Correct: this dependence is bad but we've been trained to think that the government/state has to do it - that we couldn't possibly do it for ourselves. I, personally, would gladly give up every single (supposed) benefit the state provides me. |
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« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2009, 01:19:28 PM » |
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Why? In what ways are you actually better off outside the system? Aside from the obvious, I mean.
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« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2009, 06:50:34 PM » |
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Why? In what ways are you actually better off outside the system? Aside from the obvious, I mean.
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« Reply #97 on: June 13, 2009, 12:17:03 AM » |
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Personal responsibility. You can't have freedom without it.
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« Reply #99 on: June 13, 2009, 09:28:17 PM » |
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So freedom and responsibility exists within the system, getting some outside of it is no better off. |
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« Reply #100 on: June 13, 2009, 10:24:21 PM » |
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So freedom and responsibility exists within the system, getting some outside of it is no better off.
The system must be voluntary. That's the key. No coersion. |
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« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2009, 04:17:18 AM » |
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In the current state of humanity, that is highly impractical. The system, in the world of firearms, tanks and ultimately nuclear weapons must be "catholic," everyone must be a part of it, otherwise it is not safe.
I agree that the system should be minimal, that is, it must not limit the people in anything else than the total basics, but the total basics should be here, unless we want to create problems like hordes of technobarbarians at our door, etc.
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« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2009, 06:04:56 AM » |
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Awesome thread guys, keep it up. I really think that Ptacnik had a point about nationalism being the eventual conduit or facilitator for wars. Countries lining up against each other because of Genetic superiority is exactly what Hitler, Stalin, Mao, all of these ass-holes preached. So, the answer does not lie in nationalism per se. SO good point Ptacnik. The answer must lie in global harmony. The question is whose version of global harmony are we going to suffer through? Will it be 1984 and brain chips? Or, will it be constitutional republics, a la US, working in collaboration? Well, obviously you guys know the answer to that.
I also thought that bringing up Wal-Mart was a quintessential topic of discussion. Freeski is right for the most part. The government played dirty behind the backs of the people. They, the government, allowed total leverage in letting Wal-Mart run over the small businesses. Which means that Wal-Mart paid government officials millions of dollars for 'Political contributions'. Meanwhile, bureaucrats will obtain massive shares of Wal-Marts preferred stock. It's the same game everywhere.
The recognition of corporate dominance of society brings up a fundamental issue. Which, arises from the depths of human greed and corruption. Why have we been cannibalising our own species? Why do we murder millions of innocent creatures, without just cause or hunger satiation? The animal kingdom kills as part of the natural order. Or the gritty slogan, kill or be killed. The path of humanity has superseded the basic instinct for survival by supplying an abundance of food and water. There is no need to dominate other humans to survive, is there? Lions, hyenas, every creatures do not cannibalise their own specie. Yet, humans do consistently and brutally.
My only explanation to this desire to betray and murder similar kin must be due to human awareness of knowledge. And perhaps God's reticent leash to permit ANY possible action on planet Earth. In other words, perhaps Lucifer revealed the fact that anything goes on this world. As long, as they comply to a minimal set of rules. Laws of physics govern this planet. Anything that constitutes murder does not betray the laws of nature or physics.
Let say, that the banking cartel decides to annihilate two billion civilians, right? Well, according to biological nature, the population can theoretically reproduce back to the former number of 6.5 billion people. So the question becomes, what is the value of humanity? What is the value of a creature? if you can destroy and create life, essentially, we are Gods in our own way. This type of logic essentially is the scientifically measured root to governance and management.
The second reason for the betrayal of humanity must be due to the sublime possibility of trans-human, or trans-specie creatures. The provoking thought of creating humans with IQ over 300, wielding perfectly chiseled bodies and beautiful features, no body hair, is a very alluring possibility. If you can create 300 IQ humans, those advanced creatures will the be building blocks for unlimited human potential. Basically, 300 IQ super humans, will lead way to 1000 IQ ultra humans, which will lead the way to 10,000 IQ freaks of nature. Do you see the path humans are going on? It is exponential growth and the endgame will be the colonisation of deep space itself.
The hubris of the ideological path of Human Utopia in outer space is still unknown, beset with many traps that the arrogant oligarchs and eugenicists are completely ignorant to. It's kind of like the tower of Babel. Where man's arrogance led to his demise. It is the exact same concept. The creation of trans-humans is still completely unknown and unpredictable. The NWO are confident that these super humans will be controlled by a microchip. But what is not understood is that these super intelligent types have a real shot at rebelling against their creators. If these trans-humans figure out a way to rebel, they will overthrow the old obsolete homosapiens in a war completely unimaginable. The end result will be human destruction and trans-human dominance.
This is where I see the path leading to honestly. And the future is set with many grave dangers that the NWO are still non cognisant to. It could be a biological weapon that escapes from a lab. It could be a nuclear World War III that annihilates the entire planet. It could be anything to tell you the truth. And quite frankly these dip-hole predator-like pedophiles have trouble tieing their own shoelaces. How the hell can the be entrusted with the future of planet Earth?
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« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2009, 02:59:33 PM » |
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well you almost had me sold on that, except you cant justify killing 2 billion people or causing massive starvation and aboslute hell on earth because, what if you never get to that 1000IQ human? what if the sun wipes us off the planet with a solar flare? what the hell is the point, even if you get your 300IQ kurt russel Soliders, and your arnold seig heil action hero, but if you have no remorse for life it doesnt matter how many people are killed, the ends justify the means, but i think the means create the end.
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« Reply #104 on: June 27, 2009, 03:16:52 PM » |
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Capitalism.
Capitalism is an economic and social system in which trade and industry are privately controlled (instead of state-controlled) for profit.
Whats the bottom line, human nature. What person does not want to improve his lifestyle, from poverty to a standard of living.
No matter what country I have been in people are basically the same, they want something out of this life, and if they work for it they deserve it.
Greed and power are the nemesis, not the right to attempt to prosper in ones life. I have been in countrys where capitalism is frowned upon by their Govs. - Yet it continues by each and every person I have come in contact with.
The giant corps., the elite , the inherited inbred wealthy have given this a bad FN name. Not the little people attempting to survive for their families, and using their intitiative to do so.
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« Reply #105 on: June 30, 2009, 08:37:08 PM » |
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lets philosophize...
What is your present moment?
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« Reply #106 on: June 30, 2009, 08:42:35 PM » |
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Capitalism gives the right to private ownership of property. You want freedom, you need capitalism.
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« Reply #109 on: June 30, 2009, 09:19:31 PM » |
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what capitalist consumerist ecomony, i only see a faccist fiat currency debtor economy
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« Reply #111 on: July 09, 2009, 11:08:18 AM » |
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property rights much be supported by power. That humans have power to protect their properties over other humans. This means the right to self-protection. If there is no protection then obviously, property rights mean nothing of real value, just illuory or ideal romanticism. |
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« Reply #112 on: July 13, 2009, 07:33:54 PM » |
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You can not have freedom without being provided by certain necessary items, material or not, that every human being needs. If you are, for example, homeless, you are not a free man. Governments should therefore provide homes for everyone who needs them in order to provide the chance for all men to be free; food and water are other excellent examples. These things are more important prerequisites for a free society than capitalism is. Capitalism can be the means, but it can not be the only means to achieve freedom.
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« Reply #113 on: July 13, 2009, 08:05:32 PM » |
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You can not have freedom without being provided by certain necessary items, material or not, that every human being needs. If you are, for example, homeless, you are not a free man. Governments should therefore provide homes for everyone who needs them in order to provide the chance for all men to be free; food and water are other excellent examples. These things are more important prerequisites for a free society than capitalism is. Capitalism can be the means, but it can not be the only means to achieve freedom.
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« Reply #114 on: July 13, 2009, 08:26:30 PM » |
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I hate this capitalist-consumerist society so much. LOL, real politics hasn't been used since the days of JFK...since then, it's been nothing but a stripe race, with the NWO laughing at us attacking our own friends.  |
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« Reply #115 on: July 13, 2009, 08:35:54 PM » |
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I hate this capitalist-consumerist society so much. You should move then. There are far more liberal countries you could move to. |
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« Reply #116 on: July 13, 2009, 09:31:49 PM » |
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if what we have today, or have had in recent years, is what we would call "capitalism", then sure, capitalism sucks.
i wouldnt call it capitalism though, maybe fascism, maybe corporatism, maybe feudalism, maybe mercantilism, maybe all of the above.
but capitalism to me is based on the individual right to life, liberty and property, not profit.
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« Reply #117 on: July 13, 2009, 09:59:11 PM » |
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if what we have today, or have had in recent years, is what we would call "capitalism", then sure, capitalism sucks.
i wouldnt call it capitalism though, maybe fascism, maybe corporatism, maybe feudalism, maybe mercantilism, maybe all of the above. Whatever one calls it, I believe the following is an accurate illustration of its overall structure:  And I'm afraid I'm more convinced than ever that the privileged aristocrats at the top of that pyramid do not feel the least bit threatened by the Austrian School's version of "liberty." |
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Whatever one calls it, I believe the following is an accurate illustration of its overall structure: And I'm afraid I'm more convinced than ever that the privileged aristocrats at the top of that pyramid do not feel the least bit threatened by the Austrian School's version of "liberty." i dont profess to belong to the austrian school, but i do believe in liberty, freedom, and im pretty sure that is the elites worst nightmare. |
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