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Indira Singh - Ground Zero 911: Blueprint For Terror, Part Two
B11484 / Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:21:44 / "War on Terror"
This is a transcript of Part Two of Bonnie Faulkner’s interview with Indira Singh on the Guns and Butter radio program, which aired July 20th, 2005 on KPFA in Berkeley.
Ground Zero 911: Blueprint For Terror, Part Two
Bonnie Faulkner (BF): So Indira, how did your meeting with P-Tech go?
Indira Singh (IS): Well, they came a little late, immediately there were some issues with how the day would proceed, for instance, they showed up without the agreed on software in hand. The most important thing about it is that their chief scientist, Dr. Hussein Ibrahim came. He’s an Egyptian-American and he had a very good reputation in the field, very bright, someone you would like working with. Very knowledgeable. But they had showed up without the software, and what I had done was isolated a work station, took it off the net, after all we were testing whether this software would meet our criteria, and if I had said it did, then that would be a big deal if it subsequently couldn’t so we needed to start with an out-the-box version of P-Tech.
They didn’t bring that, and Dr. Ibrahim said that’s not a problem, we can develop the demo on his laptop.
And if you know anything about these things… that’s a no-no, because at the end of the day, he’s walking out the door and I don’t have anything and he’s walking away with pretty much enough of how we’re thinking about doing operational risk. Operational Risk is about how to spot bad things that are going on in a financial institution, things like rogue trading, money laundering, and so on and so forth.
And it’s very subtle, our intellectual property, at least what JPMorgan was hiring me for, was to think innovatively, out of the box, in the next generation, how do you proactively design a blueprint to spot these things? It was pretty big. These people are definitely smart enough to get an idea, “Oh, they’re thinking of going down this road!” It’s a big deal. So, I was the risk person, so I was very aware not to expose our intellectual property, or that of the company I am consulting for, I’m very protective.
So, they showed up without the software, and that was a huge enough red flag that I began paying attention to them. A couple other things went on and within half an hour I just walked over to the same people who had recommended them and began calling and I said to one of them, “I have the P-Tech people here” and the reaction was not the reaction I would have ever expected.
It was, “What are they doing on site!?”
“Well, you recommended them…” and they said, “No, you should come through a distributor, an American distributor.” And I said, “Uh-uh, JPMorgan reserves the right to work directly with a company and besides which, they are a preferred vendor of IBM.”… and that’s the way we work, we don’t work for small distributors, if we’re going to go with this software as a standard, we’re gonna go right to the source, and make the agreements there.
So I said, “What is the problem?” and basically this person said, “Don’t let them out of your sight.” And that’s when my stomach sank.
So, you have to understand that all of a sudden I’m beginning to see these people in a different way, because when they said, “Don’t let them out of your sight”, I have a Middle Eastern company there, and we’re taught not to discriminate, that was not something that I was about to do… so that is never going to be a bone of contention, although later people made that an issue. But if I had a problem working with a Middle Eastern company, they would have never been there in the first place, much less before Ground Zero closed… no problem whatsoever having them up there.
BF: What do you mean P-Tech was a ‘Middle Eastern’ company?
IS: Well, that’s what subsequently was revealed in the phone calls, that their financiers, their founder, their investors, were all Saudis. And I said, “So? What?”
And they said, “One Saudi has been placed on the US terror list, October 12, 2001.”
It got very quiet and I said, “You better have proof of that because having thrown that into my lap now, this is not something that I can ignore. I have to follow up on it.”
This is not something I could ignore, or pretend would go away or have someone else handle. This is risk management, the highest levels of one of the largest banks in the world, it is my responsibility to deal with this. And I said, “How can I get proof of this?”
And that’s when they started saying, you need to talk to Jeff Goins, one of 3 people in P-Tech who knew of this relationship. You see, it was that well hidden within P-Tech. And so I subsequently called Jeff Goins and I said, “If this is true… (P-Tech is a private company, so this information would only be privy to those on the inside.)… did you report it anywhere? That someone who has been placed on the US terror list is Key Funder, Angel Investor, to a company whose software is utilized at the highest levels of almost every government and military and defense organization in this country, including, the Secret Service, the FBI, the Department of Defense, the House of Representatives, the Treasury Dept., the IRS, the US Navy, the USAF, and, last but not least, the FAA.”
BF: Are you saying these were all P-Tech clients?
IS: These were all P-Tech clients, so when I was evaluating them, I was pretty impressed. “Why not P-Tech?” Exactly, they’re being at the highest levels of all of these organizations, so I was very excited about using them and having their software be able to be at the heart of what I wanted to develop. And I had no reason to believe that if they were in use everywhere, at that caliber, that I would have a problem.
They were also used at Enron, perhaps I should thought twice about that, but uhm, they’re in use at IBM of course, and the top accounting firms, and even in the FBI. In Mitre—
BF: What is Mitre?
IS: Mitre is a large company that does specialized technology for defense and intelligence, you would not expect to have an exposure with a company that was so well-entrenched and embedded in these kinds of organizations.
BF: So what about the meeting then, did they leave?
IS: No. Because basically my position was until I had proof, I could not react. That would have been very unprofessional of me, and so I thought of a number of scenarios that could be going on, at that point I felt that it might have been competitiveness, out of control distributors wanting the JPMorgan account… it could have been anything.
However, the one thing that was true is that the chief investor, Sheik Yassin Kadi, was indeed placed on the US terror list, because while I was still talking to them, while they were still there, I checked out a website that had a list of everyone who had been placed on the terror list.
The missing piece was of course proving that Sheik Yassin Kadi was indeed affiliated with P-Tech, was an owner of P-Tech, because it was a private company. You could say that anybody was an investor, anybody good guy or bad guy was an investor, proving it was another thing. So I let everything ride, but I kept an eye on things, in fact we did have a presentation that went very, very well, because in no way shape or form was I going to jeopardize that.
BF: So what happened next? Did you go on working with them or did you start to investigate P-Tech?
IS: Well, I continued multitasking, I was working them, I place a few phone calls and people got back to me later that day, while they were still on premises. So I was able to separate the concerns, accomplish the task, evaluate the software, anyway, start the phone calls to start getting more information. Then my report would have been, “This is the software, it’s used everywhere, it can do what we want it to do, however, we have this issue with the company…” and present that to my superiors and let them decide.
BF: Then did you start investigating the company?
IS: Yes, what happened next was, I spoke with Jeff Goins and he told me that basically not only was Yassin Kadi an investor, but that a Yacub Mirza was on the Board of Directors and he had been the subject of Operation Green Quest. Many of his Herndon, Virginia vehicles and companies, and financing companies had been raided in March, 2002. And again, Mirza was on the Board of Directors.
As we spoke, other names started to come out, my head was pretty much spinning at this point, and I said, “Have you reported any of this to the FBI?”
And the answer came back, “Yes. I wrote a report to the FBI.”
And I said, “Okay, if the boss in the FBI has been told, I need to speak with people there.” Because, it wasn’t just my group that was evaluating them, it’s so many other groups, but couldn’t believe that if this was all true that P-Tech was still being used by the DOD, there’s something a little bizarre about all of this, and really, I was beginning to understand, unwillingly, that the world was not the way we thought of it.
BF: Now this person you were discussing this with, Jeff Goins? Was he an employee of P-Tech?
IS: Yes, he was. He was one of the key people at P-Tech. He held several important positions, he traveled to Saudi Arabia and he had met with Yassin Kadi and he had met with most of the ambassadors. His last position was as Vice President of Sales, which for a small company is pretty significant. He worked with P-Tech, helping build the company for 5 years, and he was the one that was based in Virginia who was responsible for getting a lot of the government accounts. With of course, Oussama Ziade, who was the President.
Oussama Ziade is a Lebanese American, who according to Jeff got his citizenship under very questionable circumstances, which involves the INS. Now, this is all according to Jeff, so at some point later in the week, I had decided to go down to Virginia and meet with not only Jeff but a number of other P-Tech and ex-P-Tech employees, because this was beginning to sound like a Tom Clancy novel.
And I needed proof, I told them I need emails, I needed documents, I needed hard evidence, but in the meantime, within a day or two, I had contacted my rep at IBM, and I said, “I need to walk outside with you and talk about something. If you guys are thinking about seriously getting in bed with this company, I would suggest that you do some background investigation, so that your clients like JPMorgan and myself don’t end up in this situation.”
His name was Kyle Hiligoss, Kyle told me that he wrote a “book report” and sent it to his legal department, and he was told to just back off the whole thing, in fact he didn’t want to have anything to do with me as I continued investigating.
Jeff did get the agents at the FBI, the Boston FBI office to call me back, and with Kyle listening in, so it wasn’t just me reporting on what Jeff had said, we spoke to the FBI agent who had picked up the information that Jeff had reported on P-Tech when Yassin Kadi was placed on the terror list in October, 2001. Remember, this is 8 or 9 months later, so my question to him is, “If you have an investigation that is ongoing, that’s fine, we don’t want to get involved with it or impede it in any way, but in the meantime, this country’s infrastructure is seriously exposed… I need some evidence, something that you can give me to hang my hat on when I report this, that this is true, that this isn’t just somebody making a terrorism report.”
And what he said was, “Indira, you’re in a better position on the outside to get the proof that’s needed, than I am.” And I asked him to check with his supervisor, and I said, “You understand how serious this is? To have a company with this alleged terrorism connection at the highest levels of corporate America and the US infrastructure? If you don’t know, we need to make you aware of this.”
He apparently went to his supervisor; the supervisor said that the position wouldn’t change. And the Boston FBI office… it was rated as one of the worst in terms of corruption. And I believe the Whitey Bulger incident… the connections between the FBI and the Mafia have been… extremely well explored in the Boston FBI office, the ex-Governor of Massachusetts, I believe… anyway, this mob character, Whitey Bulger’s brother was in a very high level political position in Massachusetts, in Boston, and in fact if people were to read Peter Lance’s book, “Cover-Up”, he explores it very well, and it backs up a lot of what I had found here, the interaction between organized crime and the FBI.
So, when they said that they weren’t going to proceed, I said, “I need something to hang my hat on.” So he sent me a videotape. And the videotape, which I have here, the substance of the videotape was a news clip. It was a news clip of a CBS affiliate based in Boston called WBZTV, and their investigative reporting team, the ‘I-Team’, which was led by investigative reporter, Joe Bergantino, had investigated a number of Middle Eastern men who were sought after 9/11, they were affiliated with Muslim Islamic terrorism-financing charities. He had created this clip to show the connection between the 9/11 terror attack and the financial vehicles that were supposedly used to fund it.
And what he did was very interesting, the I-Team connected CARE International, not the big CARE International, but something called CARE International that was based in Boston, all the way back to Al Kifah, which was the financing vehicle at the center of the WTC bombing in 1993, all the way back to Maktab al Khidamar, which means ‘the Office’ which was a financing vehicle that was set up by the CIA, for the Pakistani ISI, back in the days when Osama bin Laden was America’s fair-haired boy, and was on our side fighting with the Mujahadin, fighting the Soviet Union.
So, the question to me was, my goodness, what was Maktab al Khidamar doing being run out of P-Tech on 9/11? And the reason I say being ‘run out of P-Tech’ is that the faces in the videotape were the faces of core employees at P-Tech.
Now, remember, this is a small company, there are only one or two people who had access to the source code at P-Tech and that is a very trusted position, and he was one of them, his name was Suheil Laheir. The people who started CARE International, some of them were actually on a FBI terror watch list prior to 9/11, in Boston.
BF: What do you mean by the ‘source code’.
IS: Well all software products has some group or organization or person who writes code that is then packaged up, and for instance the Word Processor on your desk, the spreadsheet and so on and so forth, the browser, it’s all written in some sort of code, those are the keys to it, and if you wanted to improve it, add new functionality, you would change the original code and add new functionality and then repackage it and send it out there.
So whoever had access to the source code at P-Tech, that was where the value was, if you lost the source code you essentially lost the product for all intents and purposes from a marketing point of view. So only one or two people would have access to the source code, it would be like having the formula for Coca Cola, basically.
BF: Now, let’s go over that a little bit, again. You were talking about CARE International, and some other funding groups that have been funding international terrorism…
IS: That’s correct.
BF: …and also have been funded by what, the CIA?
IS: Well the roots of Al Kifah and CARE International… were way back in the late 80’s, around the time of Iran/Contra, for instance. Maktab al Khidamar was set up so that monies could be passed to Osama bin Laden and the Mujahadin when they were fighting the Soviets.
Now, I won’t go into a lot of detail but it ended up that Osama bin Laden took that over, and was running Al Qaeda through that. The connections to the Pakistani ISI still stood, the connections to the CIA still stood, not in the way that was originally set up, but through a black or a gray operation, that had been later confirmed to me.
By the end of the day when I was finished with certain parts of the investigations, it was clear to me that there was no way P-Tech could have done all of this without a lot of inside help. And that’s what I began focusing on, that it was a cutout, it was a front, was it a regular CIA front, was it a clandestine front, what was it?
…there are walls within the FBI, walls within the CIA, behind which these operations take place, and who is behind those operations, is a key question.
Now, people might say, “Oh, this is all conspiracy theory”, but I would like to remind people that ‘conspiracy’ is very much recognized by the US Federal Code, and it’s called RICO racketeering and influence and it’s very much recognized because there’s so much power in these organizations that they have rules in place, for instance, the DCIA, the Director of CIA, cannot after his term of DCIA subsequently run for Vice President or President, which is what happened with George Herbert Walker Bush, that rule was bent for him. He went on from being the DCIA to running for Vice President. That’s a no-no.
BF: It sounds like you’re describing an interlocking relationship than, between this software company, funded by Saudis, and funded by whomever, the US government, US corporations, and then, known groups globally that are accused of staging terrorist attacks… it’s all of a piece.
IS: Absolutely… and one of the things I wanna say is maybe those organizations don’t fully know who their masters are. P-Tech is the one thread, the one golden thread you pull on, all of this is unraveled. Because it goes into the corporations, it goes into these government entities, it goes into the terrorism financing entities… none of which have been taken to task… there are just so many questions about what does this all mean?
And as I investigated further, we found that the origins of P-Tech were very interesting. Where did this company come from? Obviously, that is the first question. And how did they get to be so powerful? Who were the people, who were the organizations that brought them in who knew, who gave them the power?
Who for instance signed off on the Ziade’s citizenship without doing background checks? Who said that they ‘had a bad feeling’ doing that?
…I remember that P-Tech’s competitor’s, US companies, were extremely annoyed at the fact that they could not get equal time, all the plum contracts were going to a foreign-owned company. And I said, “Well, did you know that they were foreign-owned? And if they were foreign-owned, they could not get certain classified projects…” and he said, “Indira, everyone knew that they were Saudi-owned and that meant that they got favorable treatment on Capitol Hill.”
And I said, “Well, are you saying that they just got ‘favored treatment’ or there’s something more going on?”
They wouldn’t answer, their lawyers instructed them not to answer, so they knew a lot of what was going on.
BF: Who were you talking to about this?
IS: Well, in one particular case I was talking to one of their competitors, Popkin Software… I have no problem naming names, because I think that in the memory of 3,000 US civilians and world-wide civilians who were murdered, if we are going to wage wars and spill blood around the world, we oughtta take a look at this, and just have the truth come out, because the truth has not come out.
There’s been a lot of speculation, there’s been a lot of innuendo, but there hasn’t been hard proof, and P-Tech is the one situation where you can get hard proof. When we investigated P-Tech and the people behind it, where they came from, we found out that one of the founding members was a man by the name of Soliman Behei, who was one of the founding directors, and he had put together a vehicle called BMI… now, BMI was identified as being involved with terror financing, but this is just not going to be, ‘The Muslims Hate America!’, that’s not what it is, there is something else going on here, they’re being used as a tool, just as the good people of the US are being used, are being misled, and frightened and terrorized into, ‘if we don’t wage these horrific wars, our way of life will be over’.
Who benefits?
BF: What else did your investigation of P-Tech turn up? Didn’t you meet with several employees or former employees of P-Tech?
IS: Yes, this goes back to when all of this was being revealed to me, this is the last week of May, 2002…. Lo and Behold, out of nowhere the Chicago FBI enters the picture. We have agent Robert Wright of the Chicago FBI, he’s giving congressional testimony and he stands on the steps of the Capitol, bursts into tears, apologizes to the 9/11 families, victims, that he didn’t do everything he could to prevent 9/11 from happening. That his investigations were repeatedly shut down.
And I almost fell over, because he announced that his investigation was into Yassin Kadi, the same Sheik Yassin Kadi who was the money man behind P-Tech. And you could not ask for a more direct connection to 9/11 than that.
I will even discount the fact that some ex-P-Tech employees told me… when I went to see them I presented all the terror list faces and they indicated that they had seen some pass through P-Tech, in fact one or two had mentioned that they thought one of the hijackers had actually passed through P-Tech.
And I said, “Did you report this to the FBI? Can you tell me when? Can you get evidence of it? Can you get litigation-quality evidence that would stand up? Whatever you can get, give it to me. Make copies, give it to the FBI.” I still thought they were on our side.
BF: The FBI, you mean.
IS: The FBI. In fact, this has to be made very clear, there are some extraordinarily real patriotic Americans, and good people in the FBI, as has been said by Colleen Rowley, one of the FBI whistleblowers, there’s a wall in the FBI. And this has been validated to me by various in Houston who are very close to the power bases and are pretty ticked off at what’s happening in this country and are speaking out. As are many CIA agents who are very concerned that it has gone too far, as are many NSA agents who are concerned that it has gone too far, and FBI agents.
So we have a lot of people who are speaking out, they have kept quiet too long, they’re afraid, they are afraid of what’s happening to this country, and when I say the 3rd Reich, what is happening to this country, they say, (and I will identify ‘they’ if pressed), they say will make the 3rd Reich look like a Tea Party.
I guess we have that many more people to control on this planet.
BF: And when you say, ‘they say’ are you speaking of people you have spoken with in the FBI?
IS: Absolutely. Within the FBI, within the CIA… one of things that I didn’t wanna have happen is that when P-Tech was finally raided in December, 2002, something that took all of 6 months, a tremendous amount of agony to have happen, the White House, Ari Fleischer spun it to find sugar that day. He said, ‘There’s nothing wrong. Nothing to see here, everything’s fine.’ So they did a token raid and that was basically it.
But everything that I have done since that time has been for one reason and one reason only, that there may come a time, that people will find the trail to P-Tech, and it won’t be hidden or buried, I’ve kept it alive, whether they’ve renamed their company and moved on I wanna keep the names, the details, everything alive, no matter what I have to do, so that, should there come a time for justice and accounting for 9/11, and for what’s happening in the world today, it makes it easier for other people to unravel the truth.
So I have gone to the mainstream press, I have gone to people on the left, the left of left, on the right of right, and I’ve talked to them face to face and said, this is wrong. Whatever you’re political inclinations, this is wrong. This is criminal, this is murder, this is worldwide atrocity.
And I have reached some very good people on the left and on the right, who are willing to speak out about P-Tech. I’ve contacted the alternative press, the alternative press has very much like the ‘Nine Blind Men and the Elephant’ they touch a piece of P-Tech, they understand it, and they say well, this fits my theory of how things went wrong, I have no problem with that, because the facts are the facts.
If someone wants to spin it to fit their particular viewpoint, for instance From The Wilderness has said the software that’s in P-Tech is very much like PROMIS… Mike Ruppert’s thesis is that Dick Cheney was running an alternate command and control center that day, confusing everyone. And in fact there were 4 war games that were going on, on 9/11, and who knows why the fighters weren’t scrambled in time. Who knows all this, in fact, the fighter from Pennsylvania WAS scrambled in time, because we have firsthand proof, whistleblowers within the correct organizations that that was shot down. It’s just that “Lets’ Roll” was a better story. Perhaps a story that the American people could handle, but no, I was told at ground zero that day, we heard them go over, and we knew they were shot down, we were told, it’s later we were told ‘the passengers brought it down’.
Well, if you’re running a country and you’re under terrorist attack, that might be the way to go. Empower people by saying if this bad thing happens to you, do something and have a story, I don’t really have such a big problem with that but the fact of the matter is it was shot down.
BF: That’s interesting. And you heard that on the day of September 11th?
IS: Yes, I did. And it was corroborated a couple of weeks ago by people who were in a particular situation room.
BF: Did you want to tell us anything more about that?
IS: It was possible that there was an alternate command and control system… could you technically use P-Tech software to do the surveillance and intervention? Well, gosh, yes, that’s exactly what I was planning on using it for in one of the largest banks in the world. It’s not a problem. So if someone wants to make it their thesis, I’ve no problem with that, however, I can’t say for sure that was going on because I don’t have direct firsthand knowledge of that, no one has told me and offered me proof of that.
But could I state that it could happen? Absolutely it could have happened. Was it necessary for it to have happened in order for us to have 9/11? I dunno. I don’t think so. Maybe, maybe not.
That’s not my point, the Towers came down, 3,000 people were killed, and what I know is the characters behind the funding of it, were totally in bed with characters in the US. And not only just for 9/11, but going on through our nation’s history, and the big question is, “Why?”
What are they up to?
BF: Could you describe the relationship of P-Tech with the FAA? P-Tech worked with the FAA for several years, didn’t they?
IS: It was a joint project between p-Tech and Mitre, and they were looking at holes, basically in the FAA’s interoperability, responding with other agencies, law enforcement, in the case of an emergency such as hijacking.
So they were looking for… what people would do, how they would respond in case of an emergency, and find the holes, and make recommendations to fix it. Now, if anyone was in a position to know where the holes were, P-Tech was. And that’s exactly the point.
If anybody was in a position to write software to take advantage of those holes, it would have been P-Tech.
BF: Explain what interoperability is.
IS: Most people are familiar with Ebay, and you know that it’s a collaborative bidding situation, you bid for a particular item and a certain amount of time passes and the winning bid is selected according to certain rules, and once the winning bid is selected, them something else happens. The thing is bought and taken down off Ebay, it’s a sequence of steps that occur, it’s a process, and it’s a process that a lot of people are familiar with, everything we do involves a process.
Now if Ebay had one big gigantic computer, these processes would take place on one computer, however, interoperability comes into play when you jump computer systems or organizations, so for instance what if Ebay had to pass on some information to PayPal? PayPal is a separate operation, they have their own computers, so they have to come up with a way to handshake, to agree when this happens at Ebay, so and so will happen on PayPal, that’s all interoperability, so it happens on a business process level, and it also happens on a system transaction level.
PayPal says, well you send me this in this format, I’ll expect it and do this with it, that’s all interoperability. It operates on a technical level, on an information level, and on a business process level.
Now, with the FAA in particular, if something goes wrong, and there is an emergency with a particular flight, and the DOD needs to be notified, well that’s a really major interoperability thing, a signal has to be sent in some way, shape or form, either mediated by a human in most cases, or automatically, or even if its mediated by a human something needs to be initiated on a separate computer to start a whole other sequence of events, interventions, scrambling a jet, notification up and downstream with many other organizations, such as NORAD, such as other terminal radar areas, such as local law enforcement, you name it.
So, this all has to be blueprinted, mapped out, and that’s where Enterprise Architecture comes in, you need some kind of blueprint to keep all of this together and that’s what P-Tech was so good at.
BF: Now was there a reference to P-Tech having operated in the basement, out of the FAA?
IS: Yes. Now, typically, because the scope of such projects are so overarching and so wide-ranging, when you are doing an enterprise architecture project, you pretty much have access to how anything in the organization is being done, where it’s being done, on what systems, what the information is, and you pretty much have carte blanche.
Now if it’s a major project that spans several years, the team that comes in has literally access to almost anything they want because you’re operating on a blueprint level, on a massive scale. So, yes, they were everywhere, and I was told that they were in places that required clearances, I was told they had log-on access to FAA flight control computers, I was told that they had passwords to many computers that you may not on the surface… let’s say you… isolated part of a notification process that was mediated by a computer, and you wanted to investigate it further, then you typically get log-on access to that computer, and from that back upstream or downstream, so, who knows?
In my experience, I could have access to almost anything I wanted to in JPMorganChase… and didn’t, for the reason if anything went wrong, I didn’t wanna have the access. But if you were up to no good, as an enterprise architect, with such a mandate, you typically could have anything you wanted. Access to anything.
BF: What do you think of the claim by the so-called 9/11 Independent Commission, and the testimony before it, and their report… the intelligence agencies didn’t know how to talk to each other… what did you think of their so-called report?
IS: Uhm, completely flawed. Governor Kean was the second choice for the head of the Commission, I believe Henry Kissinger was the first, Governor Kean, ‘oh by the way’ had done business deals with BMI, (Soliman Behei – P-Tech), none of which came out, which he should have volunteered, and recused himself as being head of the Commission, or had it out there in the open, there were 3 other members of the Commission who had similar kinds of relationships in the past, and they were all on the team.
Their findings were so flawed. They’re using an excuse. Yes, there are interoperability communication issues in any organization. Yes, there are, but in the case of an emergency, it doesn’t get that bollixed up. Unless of course, Ruppert is right and Cheney was running interference somewhere, or someone was running interference, or whoever, you know, we don’t know.
But there were 4 war games, 4 simulations going on the morning of 9/11, and I just want people to remember that the whole nature of what Mitre, they also developed software for intelligence, which includes the CIA, Mitre and P-Tech would have, if they were going to test whether they had fixed these holes, would have probably run a simulation. I don’t know that they did, but that’s how we do things, but there were 4 of them going on. So was there room for confusion?
I don’t think these people were stupid, I think they were deliberately confused, if anything.
BF: Well we know very well that there was a simulation of the very event taking place during the event.
IS: …and I believe there is proof there was more than one. Just in case the first one didn’t confuse people enough. So what does this say? I can be very objective about this and say, “Well, the terrorists knew that there were war games scheduled for this day and they took advantage of it and called 9/11 a particular day, however, we do know that 9/11 had been selected prior… ok, so maybe the war games were set many weeks prior for 9/11…” and you can play this game over and over and over.
Yes, it was the perfect day, and yes, you needed inside knowledge, and yes, P-Tech with all its myriad associations would have had the inside knowledge, and yes, P-Tech was a CIA front, and yes, P-Tech was protected.
So, was it an inside job? You don’t have to look at this indirectly, this is direct, this requires direct investigation.
BF: …you have pretty much come up with evidence that… P-Tech was a CIA cutout or front, or whatever.
IS: That’s correct. I had this validated to me by… high-level people within. In fact during my investigation when I was reaching out to the people that I had worked with, because remember, I did do work for a small company called the Interoperability Clearing House, or the ICH, and they were DARPA funded, and they weren’t a DARPA company, they were DARPA funded, they got funding from many, many organizations including Boeing… because they were providing a wonderful service software. And we were seeking funding from Incutel, which is the TI seeking arm of the CIA.
Interestingly enough the funding decision was supposed to come through on Sept. 12th. I’m not saying that it would have come through but after 9/11 there was no funding coming through on 9/12, so subsequent to that I was still picking up the pieces and remaining in contact with that group, and tried to form another group and company while I was working at JPMorgan, after 9/11, while we were going through the environmental nightmares that we were going through, still trying to pick up the pieces of that life, to create a really good risk blueprint to prevent the kinds of things like 9/11 from happening to us.
And I was pretty ignorant about a lot of this inside, clandestine betrayals. I kept in touch with a lot of these people and when P-Tech fell into my lap, I did reach out to them, I said to them, “Can you tell me if what I’m looking at is true, is real, how could it be real?” and one of the people that I reached out to did work for the CIA and he said he could not discuss ‘front office operations’. I never knew what he meant by that, but anyway, subsequent to that, there were two or three points down the road, that I had higher and higher-level confirmation that it was being utilized.
Eventually I came across a report, the FBI ‘Twin Towers Investigative Report’ that the FBI had commissioned a private investigator to do on certain people, and in there it was so clear… in the presence of CARE International, whose roots were in Maktab al Khidamar, that was glaring, and that they were all over every place in the US infrastructure, you do not get that without very high-level help, and that’s what the vendors, the competitors of P-Tech said everyone knew…
BF: And this was a second company in Washington, D.C. that you were doing some work with prior to 9/11 that got some funding from DARPA.
IS: Right. Interestingly enough, I did not let people know that it was P-Tech until maybe August, 2002 at ICH… we had pretty much moved on and uh, I accidentally let slip to one of my colleagues there that the name of the company that was being investigated was P-Tech.
And she was horrified… she said, “They’re everywhere.”
And I said, “Yeah, fancy that. Wonder who put them there.”
They didn’t get there by accident. P-Tech came about in 1993, actually, they were reformed in 1993, that’s when Yassin Kadi invested in them.
BF: What happened with the raid the FBI staged on P-Tech?
IS: Well, what happened was, when I took all of this information back to JPMorgan, after agent Wright had appeared on the steps of the Capitol, I went down to Virginia, I got all the information together, I had the P-Tech people actually write it out, so it wouldn’t be, ‘Indira says’, it would be, ‘this is what they put together’.
And I had emails, documentation, photographs, photographs that flew around the world, plastered all over network TV, that’s what I got from these people, and I interviewed a bunch of scared people, ‘what is going on… the FBI knows about it and they’re doing nothing… what is going on… what do you think this tells you?’
And I didn’t wanna go there without proof. I wasn’t gonna go there. Really what I did, and I think the most powerful thing, I think, anyone can do, is not just make an accusation, or get a little bit of proof which can be hushed up and denied, but I took what I had to everyone. Before P-Tech was ever raided, before it ever became public, I took it all the way up to the top of the FBI. I took it everywhere.
The reality of the situation is proven by the response I got there. More telling than the actual deed itself. Their response to that is really what indicts them all.
BF: What was their response?
IS: Uhm, “Shut up and go away, or you will be killed.”
Basically.
BF: Now, you got that response from all different levels in government…
IS: I got that response from JPMorgan. I got that response from P-Tech. I got that warning from people within the FBI. Mostly the FBI. See, when the Boston FBI sent me that tape that Joe Bergantino had run the story on, I looked at the tape and it was all P-Tech people… I was really scared. And I contacted Joe Bergantino to tell him I’ve been threatened, people had been in my house, I’m a 9/11 survivor, I can’t back down on this, and if anything happens to me, the story that you did… did you know that these people worked at P-Tech?
He said, “We had some suspicion, we didn’t know.”
And I said, “Well let me tell you what P-Tech does…”
When I went out there and I spoke to them in June, 2002, they thought I had a flowerpot growing out of my head. They didn’t believe me at all. I said, “You’ve done the original story, you just don’t realize that they’re connected to corporate America and the government in this way…”
So what they did is they initiated their own investigation, and their own investigation, they came back to me and said, “We’re sorry for having doubted you, it’s not only as bad as you said, it’s much, much worse.”
This is a CBS affiliate by the way… and they had interviewed me and taped me and this is August, 2002, they had said, “We’re going to run this story on the one-year anniversary of 9/11.”
And I was horrified, I begged them I said, “Please do not delay, get it out now.”
And they said, “No, it’s not gonna play well in August, because everyone’s on vacation…”
And I was banging my head against the wall, I was in tears. And I said, “They’re gonna shut this down. People are gonna talk, they’re gonna find out about it and shut you down.”
And sure enough, they did. There were 7 networks that caught wind of this story, and they shut down the investigation. Their excuse was that hey, ya know, P-Tech is everywhere… we need to find out if we do anything to them, what will they do to our infrastructure?
Which is complete baloney, because they had known all along… and they (P-Tech) were being evaluated for use in Homeland Security… so much for their trite little excuse… so, we knew that it was a cover-up at that time. And I was concerned that they weren’t ever gonna raid P-Tech.
That no one would ever know. That this would never be made public. If I had spoken out about it, I could be sued, “Where is your proof? You’ve told the government, they have done nothing, you’ve told the FBI, they’ve done nothing…”
I then embarked on my own campaign. I had written a report and I pretty good email list of people in D.C., and I said, “You know what, I’m gonna send this report exposing P-Tech and their connections to terrorism to 10 Chief Information Officers a week until P-Tech is raided.”
And I began calling people. And I began sending things out, I began scheduling appointments and showing up and instead of talking about Enterprise Architecture, I was talking about, “What software do you use?”
And I watched more people’s faces turn absolutely white, I watched people get almost physically ill, and I watched them circle the wagons… and I’m talking about major chemical companies, major energy companies, and one of the CIO’s of the DOD… it was kind of a meeting I interrupted to talk about P-Tech… yeah, the line went dead.
But, within a week after that, P-Tech was raided and Ari Fleischer said, “There’s nothing wrong with the company.”
I watched my life go down the drain.
BF: So what about P-Tech now, I mean, are they still in use?
IS: They’re still in use… they’ve renamed themselves, they’re called ‘Go Agile’ and they’re still going… when we try to find out what the status of the investigation is, we’ve been told alternatively that they’ve been cleared or it’s still in limbo. Nothing definitive has been done. Soliman Behei had been arrested, a minor slap on the wrist.
BF: And what kind of response did you get from JPMorganChase, your employers at the time when you went to them with what you had found out about P-Tech?
IS: Well, they had told me that I should be killed for getting all this evidence… I was intimidated. I wrote a letter to my boss saying that I had been intimidated, and the person who had intimidated me, the 3rd highest ranking person in the bank, the General Auditor, so this has gone all the way up to the top, they were very aware of it, and that they were going to deny using P-Tech at JPMorganChase.
In fact they would even explicitly deny the URL to the website, so that no one could even look into them. Now the name has changed, so you wonder what is going on there, but, when he asked me, ‘where did you get this from and that from?’, I was basically thoroughly intimidated.
They treated me as though I was the bad guy. That’s what happened. They treated me as if I was the bad guy for having dug up all of this stuff.
BF: And you were told by the Chief Auditor at JPMorganChase that the different individuals that you had gotten this information from should have been killed?
IS: Yeah… I pointed down the street, I said, “I lost people there.”
And he said, “I lost people there, too. Look, look, this is about 9/11… I put it in a folder named 9/11…” and it got pretty ugly from that point on.
Basically he said that, “He needed to be sure that I would never mention P-Tech again.”
And I said, “Here’s the problem. I’m a senior consultant, I consult with a lot of people… you may deny P-Tech business here… what happens to CITIBANK, what happens to Goldman-Sachs, what happens to the rest?”
He said, “That’s not my problem.”
And I said, “That’s why we have that hole in the ground up the street. It is everyone’s problem.”
In fact, Director Mueller of the FBI said, that preventing terrorism was everyone’s problem so, I’m going along with an FBI directive to the general population.
So, I had written a letter to Wilson Lowry who at that point in time had been his right-hand administrative person, who was an ex-CEO of IBM… Wilson Lowry turned out to be the one who came down hard on Colleen Rowley for being a whistleblower!
So guess what his politics were on P-Tech.
BF: As a senior consultant with JPMorganChase, were you on a consulting contract or were you an employee?
IS: I was on a consulting contract, however, I had a 10-year relationship with them. I was given tasks there that were not given to employees, even trusted employees, I was given responsibilities way above and beyond a lot of other employees, I was given pretty much carte blanche to think out of the box and do things that I funded out of a strategic fund called ‘LabMorgan’ where they experimented with new ideas, so I had a lot of latitude and the people I reported to were on the Board of Directors and were very senior-level, they trusted me keeping their best interest at heart.
My behavior around P-Tech was predictably in line with someone who held a light for risk and integrity in business dealings. In fact, one of the colleagues said, of all the people whose lap this could have fallen into, you’re about the only one with enough latitude to not look the other way.
BF: So then what happened? Was your contract cancelled?
IS: I was summarily terminated… June 28th, 2002.
BF: And you stayed on in NYC until 2004?
IS: I stayed on in the same apartment, I reached out to friends of mine in the FBI… I asked them what was going on, I got pretty close with one of them who, I understood, was on the counter-terrorism team in the North-East, and was part of the A-Team, so to speak, and he looked at what I was looking at, I passed a lot of my information through him and I said, “Am I crazy? Please tell me that I’m crazy, I’d rather be crazy than this be true.”
And he said, “Nope, and it is worse than you think.”
So he validated a lot of things, he could not break any rules and I wouldn’t let him because he was my friend, but he helped me see and interpret things.
One of the most powerful things I could have done was to push this through the system and see how the system responded. And it’s the system’s response that indicts them in the end. Just as the EPA’s response to the environmental disaster in lower Manhattan indicts them.
If this were a true terrorist attack, you would have been seeing pictures of our lungs all over national TV for years to come, metaphorically, that sort of thing. You never saw what it was really like.
So, basically, after I got thrown out of JPMorgan my attitude was, as soon as everyone knows what P-Tech really is, and they understand that it is for real, all will be forgiven and I will be back in business, and uhm, that sure didn’t happen.
And I’m not even sure at this stage if I want anything to do with corporate America or the government because look at what’s happening, I’m looking at the people that are being put in place like Negroponte, Director of Intel, I’m hearing the inside response to that, I know where he comes from, what his pedigree is, politically, and one by one, we’re seeing the handwriting on the wall.
And most people are looking for exit strategies, you might say, leave the country, go to France, go to Canada, but, there are no exit strategies for this.
All of this stuff took money to fund. And it was funded through major financial crimes, money laundering, and looting, looting of the SNL’s, looting of the banking system, what we’re in the middle of now which is the looting of Social Security. And this is all being done, the looting of HUD, it’s all being done systematically to keep the slush funds up for the game at play.
BF: Where do you think this is headed?
IS: Not any place good for people. And it isn’t just going to be America, it is going to be global.
BF: Well, Indira Singh, thank you very much.
IS: Thank you, Bonnie.
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Copyright 2005, Guns and Butter.
