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Any other articles on this story? Possibly from a newspaper a bit more reputable.
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Any other articles on this story? Possibly from a newspaper a bit more reputable.
Do you mean by reputable CONTROLLED BY THE NEW WORLD ORDER? Oh, sure they're gonna do THAT to their PUPPET. News is news, no? Mike
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« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2009, 08:26:50 AM » |
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It's my understanding that the Globe is trash mag like the New York Post or the National Enquirer. The lowest of the low in journalism. That idea could just be from propaganda over the years.
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It's my understanding that the Globe is trash mag like the New York Post or the National Enquirer. LOL remember, the Men In Black kept up-to-date on all the GALACTIC NEWS by reading the National Enquirer (or was that Fox Mulder, or both)? 
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It was Men in Black for sure. I couldn't say about X-Files. 
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« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2009, 09:21:47 AM » |
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I'd take this story with a grain of salt. Alex hasn't said much about it, but Rense has been running full steam ahead with it. Nuff said...
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Well - I'm not trying to imply that Obama is the Antichrist(like we've been hearing on the airwaves et al), but in Revelations, the AC is described as someone that's NOT a lover a women.
Just saying...
LOL that'd account for 99% of Bohemian Grove... I'm not a Bible person but I do recall there would be many anti-Christs.
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« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2009, 10:56:27 AM » |
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Daniel 11:37
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Yeah. And note: not regarding the desire of women may not necessarily equate to not desiring women.
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Well - I'm not trying to imply that Obama is the Antichrist(like we've been hearing on the airwaves et al), but in Revelations, the AC is described as someone that's NOT a lover a women.
Just saying...
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. This passage of the Bible is refering to Herod the Great who attempted to have Jesus killed as a child and was a worshipper of the God of Forces or Caesar. The 'desire of women' was to birth the Messiah and has nothing to do with sexual proclivities.
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Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
This passage of the Bible is refering to Herod the Great who attempted to have Jesus killed as a child and was a worshipper of the God of Forces or Caesar. The 'desire of women' was to birth the Messiah and has nothing to do with sexual proclivities.
how do you come to that conclussion?
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how do you come to that conclussion?
The desire of women in regards to the Jews was of course to birth the Messiah also note that the Bible refers to 'The King' which is not how it would refer to the head of a Goy nation. The passage is referring to the king of Israel. Herod clearly is in view here.
"HEROD THE KING"
--that remarkable character who was a usurper upon the throne of David when Christ, the true King, was born. The proof which enables us to identify "the king" of Daniel 11:36-39 with Herod the Great and his dynasty, is so convincing that we feel warranted in saying that the prophecy could not possibly mean anyone else.
It would be strange indeed if, in an outline which gives prominence to Xerxes, Alexander, the Seleucids, the Ptolemies, Antiochus Epiphanes, and the Maccabees, there were no mention of that remarkable personage who exerted upon Jewish affairs and destinies an influence greater than they all, and who sat upon the throne of Israel when Christ was born.
The words, "the king," should suffice, in the light of the context, without further description, to identify Herod to those who thoughtfully read their Bibles; for Herod alone is called by that title in the Gospels, and he alone had the rank and authority of "king" in Israel in the days after the captivity, "the latter days." The text does not speak of a king, but of the king, the emphatic Hebrew article being used. This is in marked contrast with the terms of v. 40, where the original speaks of "a king of the north," and "a king of the south."
A glance at the context is enough to show that "the king" of v. 36 cannot mean either of the kings of v. 27. Moreover, these are never spoken of as "the king," but always, both before and after v. 36, as "the king of the north," or "the king of the south," as the case may be. Nor does the Scripture speak of any "king" who is to arise at the time of the end of this present age, and who answers at all to the description of the prophecy. The "man of sin," described in (#2Th 2:3-10), is supposed by some to be "the king" of Daniel 11:36. But he is not called a king, nor described as having kingly rank, but rather as one claiming divine worship in the temple of God, and backing up his pretensions by means of miracles and lying wonders. The "king" of Daniel 11:36 is a very different personage, and achieves his ends in a very different way, as will be clearly seen by all who diligently compare the two passages.
What has caused able commentators to go astray at this point, and in some instances to seek far afield for the interpretation of this passage, is the fact that they were unable to find anyone among the successors of Antiochus who answers at all to the description of "the king." But they have overlooked two things which, had they heeded them, would have kept them from being so misled. Those things are, first, that the prophecy has not for its subject the kingdoms of Syria or Egypt, but the people of Israel, and hence the expression, "the king," without other qualification, would mean one who was king over Daniel's people; and second, that the verses immediately preceding (31-35) relate wholly to the affairs of the Jews under the Asmonean princes, and hence the terms of the prophecy itself lead us to look at this point for the beginning of a new order of things in Israel. And that is just what history certifies to us; for, precisely at this juncture of affairs, the Asmonean dynasty was brought to an end by violence and bloodshed, and it was replaced by that of a "king," who answers perfectly to the description of the last part of the prophecy.
Moreover, and to this we would specially invite attention, it is said of this king that "he shall prosper until the indignation be accomplished" (or until wrath be completed), in fulfilment of which is the fact that the dynasty of Herod retained, through all the political upheavals of the times, its favour with Rome, and flourished in authority in Palestine, until the destruction of Jerusalem, which is the "wrath," or "indignation," or "tribulation," to which these prophecies of Daniel so frequently refer as "the end" of Jewish nationality. For it was "Herod the king" who sought to compass the death of Christ soon after His birth, and whose successors of his own family put to death John the Baptist (this was done by Herod Antipas) and James the brother of John (by Herod Agrippa I, who also imprisoned Peter, intending to deliver him to the Jews) and finally sent Paul in chains to Rome (which was done by Herod Agrippa II, the last of the dynasty, the man who is best known to the world as he who was "almost persuaded").
"ACCORDING TO HIS WILL"
The first thing said of this king is that he should "do according to his will." This is usually taken to mean that he would be of an exceptionally self-willed disposition, one of the sort who act without restraint, and without regard to the rights or the feelings of others. This may indeed be in part the meaning of the words; but much more than this is implied. Self-willed people are so very numerous that, if that were all that were meant, the words could not serve for purposes of identification. But not many are so placed, and have such power in their hands that they are able to "do," that is, to achieve or accomplish what they "will" or plan to do; and this is what is meant. For the expression is used in this same prophecy of two other notable personages. The first of these is Alexander the Great, of whom it is said that he "shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will" (#Da 11:3). The other (#Da 11:16) has been identified as Antiochus the Great. Of him also it is said, "he shall do according to his own will;" and history shows that this monarch, too, was very successful, during the first part of his reign, in carrying out his various designs.
This is what distinguished Herod the Great in a remarkable degree. For history records nothing of this nature more notable than Herod's success in rising up from a lowly origin to the rank and authority of king, in securing for himself despotic power and retaining it through all the political changes of the times, and in the way he used that power for the accomplishment of all his designs, however stupendous in magnitude (as the rebuilding of the temple) or atrocious in character (as condemning to death his own wife and children). For Herod contrived to secure the favour and confidence, first of Julius Caesar, then of Mark Antony, and then of Octavius Caesar, though he had assisted Antony and Cleopatra against him. All things considered, there is nothing more wonderful in the career of Herod than his extraordinary success in doing "according to his will."
But, taking the expression in the other sense, we may say that it would be difficult to find in history one who so ruthlessly executed the designs of his own tyrannical and cruel heart, even upon those of his own flesh and blood, as Herod the king. His murder of his best loved wife, the beautiful Mariamne, who was a princess of the Asmonean family, is, in its special circumstances, without parallel in history. He put to death also three of his own sons (two of them by this favourite wife) because he suspected them of aspiring to his throne; and similar deeds of wilfulness characterized his entire reign. Josephus gives many instances of this (see for example Ant. XII 9, 4).
EXALTING AND MAGNIFYING HIMSELF
Further it is said of this king that "he shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods." These words are descriptive of Herod. The words "above every god" may be taken to mean every ruler and authority in Israel, just as "God of gods" means the Supreme Authority above all authorities. Herod did successfully aspire to the lordship over every authority in the land, whether priests or rulers. He assumed to appoint whom he would to the office of high priest. He put his own brother-in-law, Aristobulus, Mariamne's brother, in that office, and shortly after had him murdered (Ant. XV 3, 5).
Herod also uttered great things against the God of gods. This, we believe, refers specially (though not exclusively) to his decree for the slaughter of the babes of Bethlehem, the express purpose of which was to get rid of Immanuel, God come in the flesh to be the Ruler of His people, and to be "Prince of the kings of the earth" (#Re 1:5). Herod's way of making himself secure upon the throne was to put to death every suspected rival. For Herod, in common with the Jewish teachers in his day (and with some teachers in our own day who ought to know better) mistakenly supposed that the Christ of God was coming at that time to occupy the earthly throne upon which Herod was then seated. We shall have occasion to refer again to this prominent act in the career of Herod.
THE DESIRE OF WOMEN
Verse 37 reads: "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all."
These words call for special comment. The first clause manifestly could not apply to any heathen king like Antiochus. For whether or not a heathen king should change his national gods is a matter of no importance whatever. But with a king of Israel it is a matter of supreme importance. Now Herod, though supposedly of Idumean (i.e. Edomite) origin, was virtually a Jew; for all the remaining Idumeans, who had come into Judea several centuries previous, had been amalgamated with the Jews. In addressing the people Herod habitually used the expression "our fathers" (Ant. Bk. XV Ch. 11, See. 1). So fully was Herod regarded as a Jew, that the Herodians even held him to be the Messiah. Therefore, in introducing the worship of Caesar, Herod conspicuously failed to "regard the God of his fathers." Moreover, in this connection, it should not be forgotten that Esau was Jacob's twin brother, and hence that the God of the fathers of the Edomites was the same as the God of the fathers of the Jews.
The words, "nor the desire of women," are very significant. There can scarcely be any doubt that they refer to Christ, and that Daniel would so understand them. For, of course, the "women" must be understood to be women of Israel; and the ardent "desire" of every one of them was that she might be the mother of Christ. The same word is found in (#Hag 2:7): "And the Desire of all nations shall come." Evidently then it is Christ who is referred to as "the desire of women"; and if so, then we have a striking fulfilment of these words in Herod's attempt to murder the infant Messiah. For the record given in (#Mt 2:1-16) makes it quite clear that Herod's deliberate purpose was to put to death the promised Messiah of Israel. It was for the accomplishment of that purpose that he inquired of the chief priests and scribes as to where Christ should be born. The slaughter of the babes of Bethlehem was an act of atrocity almost without parallel in history. It was, moreover, an event that had been foretold by Jeremiah in the words, "A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation and bitter weeping, Rachel weeping for her children," etc. (#Jer 31:51, quoted in #Mt 2:17,18). Each one of those murdered infants was "the desire" of his own mother; and thus Herod fulfilled Daniel 11:37 in another sense.
THE GOD OF FORCES
Verse 38 (#Da 11:38) reads: "And in his estate," or for his establishment, "shall he honour the god of forces," or god of fortresses; "and (or even) a god whom his fathers knew not shall be honour, with gold and silver, and precious (or costly) stones, and with pleasant (or valuable) things."
Herod's career affords a most striking fulfilment of this verse. The expression, "god of forces, or fortresses," is so unusual that it furnishes a most satisfactory means of identification; for it applies to the Caesars as to none others in history, seeing that the Roman emperors claimed for themselves divine honours, and that it was by "forces," or "fortifications," that they extended and maintained their power, and enforced the worship they demanded. This honour Herod paid to them, and after the most extravagant fashion; and he did it, of course, in order to make himself secure, that is to say, "for his own establishment," as the text of v. 38 may be rendered. This honour paid by Herod, first to Julius Caesar, then to Antony, and then to Antony's conqueror, Augustus, was one of the most conspicuous features of Herod's policy. Josephus records how he sent delegations to Rome, and also to Antony and Cleopatra in Egypt, bearing the most costly presents; also how he converted the ancient Strato's Tower into a magnificent seaport, and named it Caesarea, in honour of Caesar, and how later he rebuilt Samaria, and renamed it Sebaste (Sebastos being the equivalent of Augustus). He built many other fortified cities and named them in honour of Caesar.
The same subject is continued in verse 39, (#Da 11:39) which reads: "Thus shall he do in the most strongholds with a strange god whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain," or "parcel out the land for hire."
Here we have a reference to one of the most prominent acts of Herod's long reign, namely, his rebuilding of the temple, and his making the temple area a stronghold for Caesar. He made the temple the most famous building in the world for its dimensions, its magnificence, and particularly for the size of the stones whereof it was built, to which the disciples specially directed the Lord's attention (#Mr 13:1), and which Josephus says were 25 cubits long, 12 broad, and 8 thick (Ant. XV II, 3). But, in rebuilding it, Herod took care to convert it into a fortress for his own purposes, this being the "most stronghold" of the land. As a part of this plan he constructed on the north side of the temple, and overlooking it, a strong citadel which he named the Tower of Antonia, after Mark Antony. Josephus says:
"But for the Tower itself, when Herod the king of the Jews had fortified it more firmly than before, in order to secure and guard the temple, he gratified Antonius who was his friend and the Roman ruler by calling it the Tower of Antonia" (Ant. XV. 11:4-7).
Further this historian says that the fortified places "were two, the one belonging to the city itself, the other belonging to the temple; and those that could get them into their hands had the whole nation under their power, for without the command of them it was not possible to offer their sacrifices" (Ant. XV. 11:7-8).
It was from the stairs leading to this famous Tower, up which the apostle Paul was being taken by the soldiers to save him from the violence of the people, that he stilled them by a gesture of his hand, and gained their attention by addressing them in the Hebrew tongue (#Ac 21:34-40).
Again Josephus says of Herod that,
"When Caesar had further bestowed upon him another additional country, he built there also a temple of white marble, hard by the fountains of Jordan;" and also "to say all at once, there was not any place in his kingdom fit for the purpose, that was permitted to be without somewhat that was for Caesar's honour; and when he had filled his own country with temples, he poured out like plentiful marks of his esteem into his province, and built many cities which he called Caesareas" (Wars I, 21:2).
In connection with the prediction of what this king would do in the chief strongholds--"with a strange god," mention should be made of the many images, statues of Caesar, which Herod set up to be worshipped in various fortified places. He even went so far in his sacrilege as to place a huge golden eagle (the adored emblem of imperial Rome) at the very gate of the temple, thus giving rise to a tumult and insurrection among the people. In this way did he, in his estate (office), "honour the god of forces" (Caesar) whose statues he everywhere introduced as objects of worship. He fulfilled with literal exactness the words, "Thus shall he do in the most strongholds," (which expression would apply to the citadel of the temple, where he erected the Tower of Antonia) "with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge, and increase with glory" (#Da 11:39). The last clause finds a striking fulfilment in Herod's extravagant pains to glorify Caesar, which, as we have shown, went beyond all bounds.
The words "dividing the land for gain" (or parcelling it out for hire) were fulfilled in the practice adopted by Herod of parcelling out among persons favourable to himself, the land adjacent to places which it was important for him to control in case of emergency. Josephus speaks of this (Ant. XV 8, 5).
We thus find that every item foretold of "the king" was completely fulfilled in the career of Herod, and that the record of this fulfilment has come down to us in an authentic contemporary history, which is on all hands acknowledged to be trustworthy in an unusually high degree.
Other predictions concerning this "king" are given in verses 44, 45. These also were fulfilled with literal exactness, as will be shown when we come to the exposition of those verses.
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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2009, 07:09:50 PM » |
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Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. There was a particular blessing to being the one to bring forth the Messiah, Herod shows his disdain for the Messiah by attempting to have him killed. Considering the importance of Herod and his actions in the New Testament it would be unlikely he does not appear prophesied in the Old. I would agree with Philip Mauro on this that these passages could refer to none other than Herod.
So instead of looking for gay men, who claim to be God, in a yet to be rebuilt Temple, which would be built in defiance of Christs one time sacrifice for sin ( an abomination of the highest degree, and if not blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, not a far cry from it ) who then 'defiles' this edifice of denial of the blood of Christ, we should perhaps be looking to what is right in front of us. How would you 'defile' a place built on the denial of Christ ? Yell " Jesus is LORD !! and the lamb slain from the foundation of the earth !! " within it ?
The purpose of building the Temple is to prove God a liar.
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
So any offering of the blood of sheep doves and bulls and goats would be in defiance of these verses. You CANNOT defile that which is NOT Holy in the first place.
The Bible does not line up with your theological argument, therefore you need to rethink your eschatology. Once again I do NOT claim to have all the answers for these things, I have, I believe, a few answers at least as far as to what HAS happened. I think if we could at least search these things out ourselves from a variety of sources.
Pro 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
I am not satisfied with the by the numbers and rote...antichrist standing up in the rebuilt temple at the mid point of the tribulation period...etc. etc.
How exactly would you go about pulling something like that off when its all over hollywood movies and amazon dot com books ?
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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2009, 07:11:35 PM » |
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Yeah.
And note: not regarding the desire of women may not necessarily equate to not desiring women.
Here's what the Vulgate says: 37 And he shall make no account of the God of his fathers: and he shall follow the lust of women, and he shall not regard any gods: for he shall rise up against all things. (Normal) Women lust after men, so that would make sense.
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But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.
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« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2009, 07:11:51 PM » |
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42 that's your clue!!!!!
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« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2009, 07:12:51 PM » |
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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2009, 07:31:31 PM » |
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42 that's your clue!!!!!
Don't forget to pack a towel.
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I think you are forgetting my friend.....They have Oprah. Oprah says," He is the one America, He is the one America, He is the one America".
The people no longer have eyes to see and ears to hear. The majority of them are already dead in a sleep like state and they cannot be reached.
The temple is being rebuilt, all according to plan. I do not like to theorize on these matters but the time is at hand.
The time is definitely on hand, I was present when two scroll and key members were looking into the gematria of the Govenor of Arkansas name because the skull and bones had approached him because they thought he was the guy. It was 1979 and his name was William J Clinton. He has the number of the beast in Hebrew and Greek, so Obama may be the false prophet if that interpretation is correct. They certainly are destroying the economy on target to implement the mark of the beast. Sure glad we are on the wrong side of that equation. Praise God.
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« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2009, 07:57:01 PM » |
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clinton the anti christ lol? ever hear of something called the Maitreya
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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2009, 08:01:11 PM » |
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clinton the anti christ lol? ever hear of something called the Maitreya
I've heard more rediculous garbage - Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Ronald Reagan b/c the number of letters in each of his first/middle/last names added up to 6, Henry Kissinger(yeah, he's evil, but he's WELL hated), Yaser Arrofat, Adolf Hitler, etc.
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I've heard more rediculous garbage - Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Ronald Reagan b/c the number of letters in each of his first/middle/last names added up to 6, Henry Kissinger(yeah, he's evil, but he's WELL hated), Yaser Arrofat, Adolf Hitler, etc.
Lol osama bin lklama
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Lol osama bin lklama
And to add - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Al Gore, Jack Van Impe, and DAVID HASSELHOFF(yeah, the Baywatch star - NO JOKE!).
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« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2009, 08:07:14 PM » |
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clinton the anti christ lol? ever hear of something called the Maitreya
The Pope is the Antichrist, I'm referring to the First beast of revelation, the one with the number of the beast in his name. http://becomingone.org/666.htmAnd yes I heard of Maitreya many many years ago when Benjamen Creme first started yakking about it and him, not likely. I'm not completely convinced that looking for two individuals is the correct interpretation, but I do know that the brotherhood of death thinks that Clinton is the man with the number of the beast and the one that they are awaiting. Seeing as how you are not a policy wonk what you think on the matter has little social significance. They being captains of industry and generals in their masses does.
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who knows maybe your right but i am sorry anyone with a pan trib view has no credibility
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« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2009, 08:17:41 PM » |
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The thing to ask yourself is if America is the final beast kingdom. If it is ' the sole remaining superpower ' or the head of a global system being set into place then the head of this empire has particular significance.
Therefore the undeniable FACT that the Gematria of the name William J Clinton in both Hebrew and in Greek has the numerical value of Six hundred Threescore and Six is of unparalleled significance. This man was the president of the Untied States, the most powerful man in the world and his wife ( who shares the number in her name in Hebrew ) is Secretary of State is so completely significant only one who was in complete leave of their senses would not look more closely at it.
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xTruthSeekerx
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« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2009, 08:18:53 PM » |
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did he proclaim himself to be God at the abomination of desolation?
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America2
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« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2009, 08:21:17 PM » |
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Therefore the undeniable FACT that the Gematria of the name William J Clinton in both Hebrew and in Greek has the numerical value of Six hundred Threescore and Six is of unparalleled significance. This man was the president of the Untied States, the most powerful man in the world and his wife ( who shares the number in her name in Hebrew ) is Secretary of State is so completely significant only one who was in complete leave of their senses would not look more closely at it.
The same can be said for Brizinski, Obama, and even David Hasselhoff I believe.
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scottalexandercowie
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« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2009, 08:21:46 PM » |
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who knows maybe your right but i am sorry anyone with a pan trib view has no credibility
When I call myself a PAN tribulationist, it means I believe it will all PAN out in the end. As for your judgment of my credibility, well I'll let anyone reading our posts to make up their own minds as to which were more substantial. My cited sources and thoughtful posts and replies, or your snide remarks.
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scottalexandercowie
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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2009, 08:23:19 PM » |
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The same can be said for Brizinski, Obama, and even David Hasselhoff I believe.
No it cannot. They do not have the number of the beast in their name. Nor were they wounded by the sword and yet lived. Clinton was.
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« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2009, 08:23:57 PM » |
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When I call myself a PAN tribulationist, it means I believe it will all PAN out in the end. As for your judgment of my credibility, well I'll let anyone reading our posts to make up their own minds as to which were more substantial. My cited sources and thoughtful posts and replies, or your snide remarks.
snide for pointing out nonsense? Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
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TheWeavingSpider
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« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2009, 08:33:06 PM » |
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No it cannot. They do not have the number of the beast in their name. Nor were they wounded by the sword and yet lived. Clinton was.
What about my name? Jimmy Wyane Williams (yes, that is how you spell my middle name, no it is not misspelled). Is there some certain way that you have to add it up or something?
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scottalexandercowie
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« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2009, 09:20:59 PM » |
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What about my name? Jimmy Wyane Williams (yes, that is how you spell my middle name, no it is not misspelled).
Is there some certain way that you have to add it up or something?
First you have to transliterate it into Hebrew or Greek, my Greek is pretty poor but here it is in Hebrew. It is a bit more difficult then what I am doing here because of the letter vowels which I am not including. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_numeralsyod mem mem yod vav nun vav lamed lamed mem samek Yod = 10 mem = 40 mem = 40 yod = 10 vav = 6 nun = 50 vav = 6 lamed = 30 lamed = 30 mem = 40 samek = 60 10+40+40+10+6+50+6+30+30+40+60=322 So the number of your name in Hebrew is 322 at least in this spelling of it. I used a Samek for the s and I could have used a Sin/Shin also we could have used several vowel letters. So with various names there is a variety of ways to spell things. Like using a K in english for a c or a q like qanada instead of canada. But even so there is a finite number of variations. We found several spelling variations in Hebrew to arrive at 666 for Clinton spelling out the complete name as well as his signatory name. But to have the same name spell out the same value in both hebrew and greek is unheard of and unique as these systems are completely different and have different numerical values for the letters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_numerals
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« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2009, 09:22:15 PM » |
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OH NO 322 SKULL AND BONESSSS
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« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2009, 09:24:01 PM » |
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OH NO 322 SKULL AND BONESSSS
Darn! Beat me to it! 
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« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2009, 09:27:59 PM » |
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First you have to transliterate it into Hebrew or Greek, my Greek is pretty poor but here it is in Hebrew. It is a bit more difficult then what I am doing here because of the letter vowels which I am not including. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_numeralsyod mem mem yod vav nun vav lamed lamed mem samek Yod = 10 mem = 40 mem = 40 yod = 10 vav = 6 nun = 50 vav = 6 lamed = 30 lamed = 30 mem = 40 samek = 60 10+40+40+10+6+50+6+30+30+40+60=322 So the number of your name in Hebrew is 322 at least in this spelling of it. I used a Samek for the s and I could have used a Sin/Shin also we could have used several vowel letters. So with various names there is a variety of ways to spell things. Like using a K in english for a c or a q like qanada instead of canada. But even so there is a finite number of variations. We found several spelling variations in Hebrew to arrive at 666 for Clinton spelling out the complete name as well as his signatory name. But to have the same name spell out the same value in both hebrew and greek is unheard of and unique as these systems are completely different and have different numerical values for the letters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_numerals Could you do David Hasselhoff? Thanks!
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« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2009, 09:37:19 PM » |
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First you have to transliterate it into Hebrew or Greek, my Greek is pretty poor but here it is in Hebrew. It is a bit more difficult then what I am doing here because of the letter vowels which I am not including. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_numeralsyod mem mem yod vav nun vav lamed lamed mem samek Yod = 10 mem = 40 mem = 40 yod = 10 vav = 6 nun = 50 vav = 6 lamed = 30 lamed = 30 mem = 40 samek = 60 10+40+40+10+6+50+6+30+30+40+60=322 So the number of your name in Hebrew is 322 at least in this spelling of it. I used a Samek for the s and I could have used a Sin/Shin also we could have used several vowel letters. So with various names there is a variety of ways to spell things. Like using a K in english for a c or a q like qanada instead of canada. But even so there is a finite number of variations. We found several spelling variations in Hebrew to arrive at 666 for Clinton spelling out the complete name as well as his signatory name. But to have the same name spell out the same value in both hebrew and greek is unheard of and unique as these systems are completely different and have different numerical values for the letters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_numerals Wow! That's pretty cool! Hey, by any chance do you know of a preacher named Gary Griffin? He says he's pan trib too, he says he's waiting to see how it all pans out, I thought ya'll sounded similar, I figured you may know him, he's a good family friend of mine.
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« Reply #79 on: June 11, 2009, 09:46:41 PM » |
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Could you do David Hasselhoff? Thanks!
David ; Dalet = 4 Vav = 6 Dalet = 4 Hasselhof ; Hey = 5 samech = 60 samek = 60 lamed = 30 hey = 5 pey = 80 4+6+4+5+60+60+30+5+80=254 The way that they assign David Hasselhof the number of the beast is through an english substitution code. a=1 b=2 etc. This is not the practice described in Revelation 13. Hebrew and Greek did not have numerical equivalents and used the letters of the aleph bet or alphabet as numbers as well. This is why any Hebrew or Greek word can also be looked at as a number. Having the number of a name will not give you the name though because various names could have the same number. So the Bible tells us the type of person to look for and then count his name. In Clinton's case his character is truly wicked and yet seems so peaceable and nice to most people. His deadly wound by the sword ( Impeachment process ) was healed and he is more of a political player today then he ever was. There was even talk of head of the UN at one point. It is the second beast the implements the mark of the beast. The false prophet. I spent a lot of eight years trying to figure how anyone as dumb as Bush could pull it off. Anyhow it is without question that America is the most powerful force on the planet militarily and no one could go after it. Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
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