Martial Arts... not firearms.... but I'm putting it here

[Unintelligable Name]

http://www.youtube.com/user/SenseiNinja2

Check this out:

"I am a Christian and by far I am not perfect but I do love my Country and support it! Whichever President we as a nation elect, I know that God appoints our authorities and I will not oppose it unless they tell me not to believe in Jesus Christ! I fight for what is right and I believe each and every Word that comes from the mouth of God =Bible."

What the hell?

Anyhow he has good videos -- check them out.

[Brocke]

Thanks, that was great!

[Mike Philbin]

without the kicks to the groin, those police techniques are looking very much like the disarm techniques of aikido.

[John Galt]

I love this guy! I'll have to revisit in the future. Upon my first review, here are my two favorite techniques that he shares:

"Fast punching technique"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8tQZ0Qu7DI

"Multi attacker defense and evade techniques"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt3f9tXjjv4

As for him saying "I know that God appoints our authorities and I will not oppose it unless they tell me not to believe in Jesus Christ", I think he's in for a bit of an awakening fairly soon, eh.

~jg

[Mike Philbin]

so (reading senseininja's bio) it's mostly jujistu

cool



PS: in all the different styles and derivations of aikido, this man and his style are my favourites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3DLFCKdoOg

[JonTheSavage]

unless they tell me not to believe in Jesus Christ[/b]!

Oh, they've already done that. They tell you to worship television instead. They run around in the forest naked, worshiping molek. I don't follow a government that does sick crap like that.

[JonTheSavage]

Martial arts won't do you any good against 10 thugs coming through your door with M4s.

[Brocke]

Martial arts won't do you any good against 10 thugs coming through your door with M4s.

True, but I want to take out as many as I can before I go down.

[freeflying]

True, but I want to take out as many as I can before I go down.

That's why you use a equal weapon. I am well trained in fighting but I always reach for the gun first. Sooner or later you will meet someone that is better or stronger and they will mess you up so when they come for you just open fire and hope for the best.

[Raffles]

I'm 25+ years in Martial Arts, former National Champion four years running and have Black Belts in multiple styles.
Don't waste your time with it!

If you must....., there is only one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6EZE_rmsQs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Zuj5jdY-k&feature=related

[Mike Philbin]

interesting that it's a weapons aided affair - nice twist on the Fight Club ethos.

that massage therapist from Berne was absolutely wicked, "For me what I have to learn is to fight more aggressively!" did you see him go? It's always the quiet ones.  LOL.

we fight, we hug - yes, men are becoming tribesmen again - and there's a great mix in those events, white, hispanic, chinese, black - as their should be. Has this gone National yet?

I'm 25+ years in Martial Arts, former National Champion four years running and have Black Belts in multiple styles.
Don't waste your time with it!

If you must....., there is only one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6EZE_rmsQs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Zuj5jdY-k&feature=related

[Raffles]

interesting that it's a weapons aided affair - nice twist on the Fight Club ethos.

that massage therapist from Berne was absolutely wicked, "For me what I have to learn is to fight more aggressively!" did you see him go? It's always the quiet ones.  LOL.

we fight, we hug - yes, men are becoming tribesmen again - and there's a great mix in those events, white, hispanic, chinese, black - as their should be. Has this gone National yet?

Seven ranges of combat are identified, from missile range to rolling around biting.
One range, is weapons.
So you start with weapons, close range, disarm and finish wherever.

The sticks, represent Machete, from the Fillipino fighting arts, so the angles of attack are designed to KILL!

It was refused by the UFC for being too extreme.

"Higher consciousness through harder contact"

The 'realer' it is, the more you function realistically.


Remember who to train with when they take your guns away.
Better still, start now.

.......and if your kids are doing Mall Tae Kwon Do or Karate lessons, get them out now!

You can find the Dog Brothers organisation here;

http://www.dogbrothers.com

   

The Tao of the Dog &
The Why of Dog Brothers Martial Arts

written by Guro Crafty

I am often asked about the our name, "the Dog Brothers." It can be explained on many levels, but one of my favorite ways of looking at it can be found in a newspaper article by one Jeff McMahon:

"Most actions of men can be explained by observing a pack of dogs. Not wild dogs, just neighborhood dogs who all scurry under the fence on the same night and set off together to reclaim a glimmer of the glory their species possessed before domestication."

I think that's right. The dog is the interface of man and the wolf and we can connect so strongly because our dynamics are so similar. Even as we change the wolf into the dog to suit our purposes, we still need its glimmer as wolf. In some breeds, and in certain individual dogs, the glimmer is brighter than others, and that is why you see an Akita named Zapata in our logo.

I know the Dog Brothers have a good reputation for airing it out pretty well, but we know what we do is well short of combat, death matches of yore in the Philippines, or a policeman going into an abandoned building after a bad guy. It is important not to take oneself too seriously, and I like the way the quote captures a certain perspective on the Dog Brothers. We are not wolves, we are but human dogs.

Still, it is important to be aware of something else too. Yes we are but a pack of dogs, and just like dogs we have territory, and hierarchy, and squabbles over the , , , females. But there is something more. Just like dogs, there is the bond of the pack.

The bond and aggression go hand in hand. ALL animals with individual relationships (wolves, monkeys, geese, dogs, humans etc.) also have aggression. Animals lacking the ability to discriminate between other members of their species, e.g. minnows, do not. The presence of aggression does not always mean that there is a bond with other individuals, but a bond with other individuals always means there is aggression.

Aggression is an instinct, even as sex is an instinct. And just as a man eventually will have a nocturnal emission in the absence of sex, so too aggression will discharge eventually even in the absence of "legitimate" cause. Thus all efforts at eliminating the causes of aggression can be seen in scientific terms as inherently doomed efforts to prevent a instinctual discharge by means of eliminating its typical eliciting stimuli. To the extent that the efforts to eliminate the eliciting stimuli succeed, the discharge of the aggression becomes less predictable and often more dangerous. Skill in aggression will be needed from time to time, especially by those lacking skill and will. The solution is to ground aggression in a ritual expression that also prepares it for functional application.

Aggression has three purposes in nature. First, to spread a species out over territory so as to not overload an eco-system. Amongst humans this is called "war". Second, for rank within the hierarchy of a social group. All social groups have hierarchy. And third, for reproduction. Classically this means two males fighting over the female, but it also means the female defending her young. If there is no social unit, e.g. Siamese fighting fish, it does not matter that the loser dies, only that the winner breeds. In contrast, in social animals, there is a strong biological benefit if the second and third types of aggression do not damage the loser. This is so that the social unit, (the pack/the tribe), which exists precisely because of its survival value, remains strong.

Most martial arts are usually of the second type of aggression, with overtones of the third: Young males competing. In contrast, the Filipino Martial Arts originate in the first form of aggression, in war. Thus there is a quality of cooperation in the learning process of the FMA that can be distinctive.

How so? If, as a tribe we are going to defend our land, women and children, it is in our respective individual interests that the other warriors of the tribe become good fighters as well. If I push you too hard and break your spirit, it does not serve my interests. If I push you too little and you are soft, it also does not serve my interests. And vice versa.

Dog Brothers Martial Arts is the name that I put to the system of many styles that I have evolved out of what my teachers have taught me, the fighting experiences of all the Dog Brothers and my teaching. Why give it a name? Because to call it something else would be inaccurate. It is its own unique thing.

Why a "system of many styles"? Because fighting is like the children's game of "rock, paper, scissors" and no one style is for all situations and opponents-not even Top Dog's style-and in my opinion he is the best stickfighter of our time. Bruce Lee spoke of "No way as way", and similarly, Sugar Ray Leonard once said "You don't beat the man, you beat his style." In other words, you beat him where he has a way. Thus, we seek to specialize in generalizing; the goal being that no matter the situation, we have a game to play instead of a way. DBMA draws upon all the Dog Brothers and those with whom we have fought, and those with whom we have trained. And it is a system because I think we have a coherent way of imparting certain knowledge, understandings, training methods, skills, attributes and techniques towards certain goals.

Many martial arts discuss how there are different mindsets/qualities with which one can defend/fight. Often the names are a bit poetic; Fire, Water, Wind, Rock, Earth, etc. but the point is made that the more realized the fighter is, the better his ability to fluidly shift between them. To be able to do this in the intense adrenal state of a fight is an subtle and evolved thing. Paradoxically, the mental state of Play is the state where this happens best. The further one can enter into the dichotomy of Fight and Play simultaneously, the better. The best fighting is done where the fight is play. Thus, in DBMA we say "Do not have a Way as you Play. Fight the Way you Play. Let your Fight be Play." To experience this is transformational.

"What Is Play?" in evolutionary biological terms is an interesting question in its own right. It is a state in which deep learning takes place and the training methods of the FMA are of a high order in creating it and teaching it as part of the learning and training process. The competitiveness natural between men can easily kill Play. Abecedario, numerado, sombrada, and carenza are methods with a thousand faces and all help create Play. The process of learning in the FMA way develops powerful understandings and skills for dealing with people outside of a fighting context.

The three FMA teachers from whom we draw most are Guro Dan Inosanto (Inosanto LaCoste Blend) Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje (Pekiti Tirsia Kali) and also Punong Guro Edgar Sulite (Lameco Eskrima). We draw from other FMA teachers and systems too. And we draw from outside of the FMA as well, usually within the framework of the Majapahit Empire.

What's that? Centuries ago, political boundaries were different and the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Indo-china were part of what was known as the Majapahit Empire. Martial arts from this part of the world tend to have, to use a JKDC term, "common thread" with each other, i.e. there is a shared internal coherency. Thus we can draw from Krabi Krabong from Thailand and it fits. (In this area our lead man is Ajarn Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford.) We can take from Silat (Pendekar Paul Dethouars) or Bando (Dr. M. Gyi) whatever fits, and so on. We also take from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (the Machado Brothers), because it works, because little of FMA grappling (dumog, buno, etc) has made it to the US, and because chauvinism is counter-productive to the search for Truth.

Most martial arts are basically young males competing. Though we certainly have that too, the idea of DBMA is of a lifelong martial art. Although the Dog Brothers are known for "Real Contact Stickfighting", DBMA uses the vehicle of learning to fight this way as a means of creating a man who can walk through the entirety of his life as a warrior in his world today.

NOT EVERYONE SHOULD DO REAL CONTACT STICKFIGHTING AND ONLY YOU DECIDE THAT. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE A KITTY IF YOU DON'T. Whether you do or do not, our mission is for you to learn to fight well for real. Someone with this training should be able to handle himself proficiently in real time with sticks, clubs, knives, staff, improvised weapons and empty hand in all ranges. He should have skills and intelligence for multiple player situations. He should have a clear sense of what he can and cannot do, and be able to assess situations and people well. He should be seasoned in handling his adrenaline and know for what he fights and for what he does not. He should be fit and healthy. This is whether he is a younger man, a middle aged man, or an older man.

And for each of these there is short, middle and long term training, which should be done together in an ever changing blend. One should not try to live permanently in the testosterone frenzy of getting-ready-for-a-fight training, but one should always be of a level of fitness able to apply maximal effort without notice. One needs to train for now and for over the years. This promotes physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual health as well as fighting skill.

To last over the years, one needs to be intelligent-the secret of life is to get smart faster than you get old. If we try to always operate in that young male testosterone frenzy, just like Bruce Lee we're not going to last very long. In training, there must be the "three Fs" (Not those! Baaad Dogs!) Fun, Fit, and Functional. To be functional, we must be fit and healthy, and what we do to be fit and healthy must be fun to do or we will not do it. Now, "fun" can be a superficial word, but what we really mean is with joy in life-but that would have ruined the alliteration.

The Knowledge that we study of another time and place must serve this time and place. There is the martial and there is the art. As Wild Dog's daughter Keelin once said to me "Art is the repository of the human wisdom which cannot be expressed in words." Both the martial and the art are necessary, just as the yin and the yang are necessary to the Tao. The further one can go into each simultaneously, the greater the dichotomy, and the deeper the transformation. Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact.

Woof,
Guro Crafty

[Mike Philbin]

yeah,

but as a sign of the times, this is potentially a return to GLADIATORism of the Roman Empire. More than a Fight Club of blokes bettering each other, it'll become the "give these fcukers chainsaws" of Bill Hicks if you let the advertisers and marketers get ahold of it.

[Raffles]

yeah,

but as a sign of the times, this is potentially a return to GLADIATORism of the Roman Empire. More than a Fight Club of blokes bettering each other, it'll become the "give these fcukers chainsaws" of Bill Hicks if you let the advertisers and marketers get ahold of it.

It's not commercial really.
Sure there'll be emulators without the mindset.

It's like the old adage "Rugby is a game for hooligans, played by gentlemen, Soccer is a game for gemtlemen, played by hooligans"

It's not outright thuggery and violence, the violence is to help your fellow man learn.

There's no "C'mon, knock his teeth out" sentiment, like you get in the crowds 'baying for blood' watching UFC and WWF.
Different thing entirely. 

[Mike Philbin]

oh, sure, I didn't mean to imply that the 'guys there to fight' were baying for blood - they've a strict code and a good ringmaster.

I was thinking about how the Roman Emperors acquieced the general public with Gladiatorial tournaments - how far would it go if the corporate guys got ahold of this?

[Raffles]

http://www.youtube.com/user/SenseiNinja2

BTW.
ChosonNinja is a crackpot and a laughing stock, on all Martial Arts forums.

[Raffles]

oh, sure, I didn't mean to imply that the 'guys there to fight' were baying for blood - they've a strict code and a good ringmaster.

I was thinking about how the Roman Emperors acquieced the general public with Gladiatorial tournaments - how far would it go if the corporate guys got ahold of this?

It just wouldn't happen!

The 'gatherings' are for the individuals, not an audience.
The 'audience' is made up of those individuals, who await their turn to test themselves.

The violence is just an expression of the philosophy.
Take away the philosophy and the violence is pointless for those individuals.

Any idiot can pick a fight with someone.

[Mike Philbin]

The 'gatherings' are for the individuals, not an audience.
The 'audience' is made up of those individuals, who await their turn to test themselves.

The violence is just an expression of the philosophy.
Take away the philosophy and the violence is pointless for those individuals.

Any idiot can pick a fight with someone.

true, and true.

[Raffles]

true, and true.

LOL.
You have been assimilated.

Even more than one's art, the willingness to put one's self to the test is the defining moment of a martial artist who is really looking for the core reason as to why he is there in the first place. Without this willingness - curiosity if you will - there is no growth, no evolution and like any organism, one's interest will run a short course and then abandon the mission for a less resistant path.  Eric Knaus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Itdhuct_A&feature=related

[Mike Philbin]

You have been assimilated.

sweet - that's a growing audience in that vid.

[JonTheSavage]

Just a bunch of children afraid of a gun. whaaaaa. whaaaa. That is the mentality I see here.

[rawiron1]

Ground fighting is fine for women and one-on-one.  But try this in a bar and see how long you are on the ground before a bar stool gets smashed over the back of your head.

Jason

[Raffles]

Ground fighting is fine for women and one-on-one.  But try this in a bar and see how long you are on the ground before a bar stool gets smashed over the back of your head.

Jason

Smart people don't go to bars or get into fights.
In training for combat, it is important that you are capable of operating at ALL ranges and transitioning between them.

[Unintelligable Name]

In training for combat, it is important that you are capable of operating at ALL ranges and transitioning between them.

Well these arguments have made me roll my eyes so far, but I agree with this statement.

[Raffles]

Well these arguments have made me roll my eyes so far, but I agree with this statement.

What don't you understand?

[Elvis]

Boxer Rebellion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

[Erastus]

I'm 25+ years in Martial Arts, former National Champion four years running and have Black Belts in multiple styles.
Don't waste your time with it!

If you must....., there is only one;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6EZE_rmsQs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Zuj5jdY-k&feature=related

But, are you not old?  I don't want to black someone's eye.  I want to stop an invasion.  I've beaten guys with just a strong punch.  I don't have a clue what I'm doing but I have spun guys.  I didn't even think I could spin a dude until I did it.  He hit me 12 times before I could get that punch in.  I'm 5' 11 and he's 6 5 but I was able.  He still says he quit punching after 12 but I count that as a win.  I don't want to fight.  It scares the shit out of me.  My knees and hands shake, but I do fair well most times.  I can't punk down.  I just want to "work" it out.  I have no desire to hit or be hit, but some of you guys seem to thrive off it.  Is it fun to just beat a man within an inch of his life?  I don't see the glory.   

[grooveline]

all oppinions aside about getting into a fight or not, it's all about protection.

i had the notion 4 years ago to begin studying wing tsun kung fu, a close quarter combat system. very refined, more about principles. lots of reflex training.

any art is better than no art. it will teach you to move in a certain way after becoming ingrained in your body/mind. this is key in those fight or flight moments.

reality: it will put you a step ahead of those who are your size and do not study an art. bigger individuals and those with athletic prowess- you could get schooled. it boils down to the old cliche of practice.

[Nailer]

when martial arts meets modern arts.. LOL

[AncientChild]

Excellent! Love the idea behind this "Dog Bros."  thing. I think I've heard my instructor mention it before.

I have to agree with the idea of "any art is better than no art".  I've been training in tkd for about 4 months now, and the increases in speed, endurance, balance, and coordination are amazing. These things are the real essential deciding factors in physical confrontations, and can be gained from almost any training.

[qzujak49]

Since people are posting 'my gun is better than your fujutsudoken', I think it should be pointed out that martial arts do not cease to be relevant once a gun is introduced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmgpKrA0iQ

Yes, I know it's not IRL.  The principle remains.

[ridebmx]

Since people are posting 'my gun is better than your fujutsudoken', I think it should be pointed out that martial arts do not cease to be relevant once a gun is introduced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmgpKrA0iQ

Yes, I know it's not IRL.  The principle remains.

Equilibrium is a great movie

[grooveline]

don't let the fear of training along side a kid who's in jr. high stop you.

if ever you've had an inkling to try it, do so. most of us have seen movies about it -  most schools have free trial periods... so do it. don't be an armchair/forum lackey -if you don't like it move on. the worst that could happen - you miss out on a few nights of tv. the best thing would be to become a badass mofo infowarrior able to meet out justice with his/her barehands.

plus, chicks dig it if you're not a total martial art nerd about it. as Napoleon would way, it's a skill.

[Valerius]

Martial arts won't do you any good against 10 thugs coming through your door with M4s.

How about 9? 

[mad_norwegian]

Excellent! Love the idea behind this "Dog Bros."  thing. I think I've heard my instructor mention it before.

I have to agree with the idea of "any art is better than no art".  I've been training in tkd for about 4 months now, and the increases in speed, endurance, balance, and coordination are amazing. These things are the real essential deciding factors in physical confrontations, and can be gained from almost any training.

Ive done kickboxing and tkd ... but i'll have to tell you this. Both are quite "acrobatic" sports, if you take a break for a couple of months youre pretty much back to where you started, because your legs get stiff very soon and you cant do the kicks. Constant painfull stretch outs and 5-6 days a week training, either lifting weights or doing martial arts training is not something im going to keep up with year after year until im old. You might manage that when youre a teenager or early 20s when you have lots of energy, but when you get older and have long hours working and get more lazy, most people quit.

I'd go for something that i can use for a while even after i give up training, not that dependent on physical condition and something you can train and gain from even if you do not train more than 1 or 2 times a week or maybe a month. Take krav maga, its based on fast to learn tecniques, not much acrobatics involved. Regular boxing is also good, boxing is like learning to ride a bicycle, im not as good as i used to be but i can still punch hard and have good reflecses and timing, and its my main advantage if a fight would occur. But the kicks i spent so much time on learning is no use anymore, i cant do it anymore.

[LivingintheMatrix]

That's why you use a equal weapon. I am well trained in fighting but I always reach for the gun first. Sooner or later you will meet someone that is better or stronger and they will mess you up so when they come for you just open fire and hope for the best.

thats my thoughts exactly

[ELIJAH STAPP]

http://www.youtube.com/user/SenseiNinja2

Check this out:

"I am a Christian and by far I am not perfect but I do love my Country and support it! Whichever President we as a nation elect, I know that God appoints our authorities and I will not oppose it unless they tell me not to believe in Jesus Christ! I fight for what is right and I believe each and every Word that comes from the mouth of God =Bible."

What the hell?

Anyhow he has good videos -- check them out.

The guy's name is Greg Park (AKA "ChosonNinja" on YouTube) and he is a fraud...

[DireWolf]

Martial Arts are fighting techniques. Guns don't fight they kill as they are supposed to.

If someone is trying to kill me, I'll stick to my guns and should I have to fight it will be to kill my opponent not to kick their ass.

A dead opponent is one you don't have to worry about taking revenge. Whether you kill the with your hands or guns, same result, as were we taught by the Marine Corps.