The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide

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Re: 325 MPs to be FIRED away at next Election -- UK Govt Collapsing FAST !!!
« Reply #480 on: August 08, 2009, 01:49:06 PM »
Maybe I am miss reading your post, but the way I read it you seem to think that Brits do not have firearms, in which case you are simply wrong.


It depends on what you consider to be "firearms".

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #481 on: August 09, 2009, 07:35:04 AM »
120 Labour MPs plan to stand down at next general election

Toby Helm, Whitehall Editor
The Observer, Sunday 9 August 2009


More than 120 Labour MPs – a third of the parliamentary party – are preparing to quit Westminster at the next general election in the biggest clear-out of the parliamentary "old guard" for generations, according to senior party figures.

Last night, the party released figures showing 63 Labour MPs have already informed Gordon Brown they are going.

Information passed on to party whips suggests this total will rise to some 93 by mid-October, and could then climb by at least another 20-30 in the run-up to a general election, which is expected next spring.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #482 on: August 09, 2009, 08:13:06 AM »
So, what's the REAL story behind all this political movement?

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #483 on: August 09, 2009, 08:24:47 AM »
So, what's the REAL story behind all this political movement?

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They are playing the Red Team versus The Blue Team, as usual...

Also they are going to roll out US Style - Primaries to control who gets to be an MP, instead of it happening at the Local Level in the Constituency.

I used to think elections was allways a good thing until I learnt how they could be rigged and controlled, and who ever controlls the media effectively gets to choose who wins.




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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #484 on: August 09, 2009, 08:50:22 AM »

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #485 on: August 09, 2009, 08:57:00 AM »
they dont wont any more UKIP to elected do they.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #486 on: August 09, 2009, 08:59:06 AM »
they dont wont any more UKIP to elected do they.

Well first they came 3rd and they pretended in the media that it had not happened. Then next they came second and they pretended it had not happend.  Next they might well come first . . . .

Anyway, they are running the idea in many papers in odd articles of "US Style Primaries", which means taking power from the Local Constituents into some pseudo democratic method, open to manipulation.



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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #487 on: August 09, 2009, 09:03:38 AM »
And just in case anyone is insane enough to think the Tories / Republicans are the answer try this little beauty of a story.

Revealed:
The 'secret plan' being hatched by the Tories
to raise VAT to 20%


By Mail On Sunday Reporter
Last updated at 11:43 AM on 09th August 2009


Plans are being considered to increase VAT to 20 per cent in a bid to pull Britain out of the recession, should the Tories win the next election.

The move could bring in up to £10 billion a year and is being 'very actively considered' by senior Tories, according to shadow cabinet sources.

Should the Tories win the next election, which must be held by June, the hike could be introduced within weeks - and it could also be accompanied by a series of severe cuts to public spending.

Read FULL STORY


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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #488 on: August 09, 2009, 09:33:05 AM »
This is fascinating, because millions will vote for The Blue Team aka as The Tories at the next British election, under the mistaken belief that they will "lower taxes".

It just goes to prove how brain washed and degenerate the pseudo democratic machine has reduced the western developed world.

It matters not that they will crucify the public with higher taxes, the sheep will vote for "Change" only this time its the Blue Team being switched for The Red Team.

If this is not proof of what a total farce the The left-right paradigm has become, I despair.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #489 on: August 09, 2009, 09:36:58 AM »
The fact that shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley has been so quick to deny this probably means there is some substance to it.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8192095.stm

Now they've been caught on the hop I wouldn't be surprised if they either raise VAT to any figure other than 20% or much more slyly increase the range of items VAT is payable on.

At present items such as food, books, newspapers and magazines, children's clothes and special exempt items such as equipment for disabled people attract zero rate for VAT, whilst a reduced rate applies for some items such as children's car seats and domestic fuel or power.  So by amending this list its' easy to see how the Tories can save face and still increase taxes.  ::)

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« Reply #490 on: August 09, 2009, 09:41:56 AM »
The fact that shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley has been so quick to deny this probably means there is some substance to this.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8192095.stm

Now they've been caught on the hop I wouldn't be surprised if they either raise VAT to any figure other than 20% or much more slyly increase the range of items VAT is payable on.

At present items such as food, books, newspapers and magazines, children's clothes and special exempt items such as equipment for disabled people attract zero rate for VAT, whilst a reduced rate applies for some items such as children's car seats and domestic fuel or power.  So by amending this list its' easy to see how the Tories can save face and still increase taxes.  ::)

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #491 on: August 09, 2009, 10:25:01 AM »
Amazon,
you can be as ascerbic as  you want - let your hair down, girl.

:)

Also, now that you say "shadow government" I'm not sure it means the same things as your brothers & sisters might take it to mean.

Shadow Government UK: the team on the opposite side of the Commons who are against the government.
Shadow Government USA: the team who REALLY run the USA; always have always will, until the people stand up.

actually, your comment that they're the same but OURS are allowed on TV might be closer.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #492 on: August 17, 2009, 08:01:41 AM »
Claims of Lockerbie cover-up as only man convicted of bombing drops appeal

The Times
August 15, 2009
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6797172.ece

Relatives of Lockerbie victims were denied their final chance of discovering the truth yesterday when the only man convicted of the atrocity abruptly dropped his appeal.



Revealed:
Mandelson met Gaddafi's son in Corfu villa
ahead of
Lockerbie bomber release talks



DAILY MAIL
17th August 2009


Lord Mandelson met Colonel Gaddafi's son in Corfu a week before news broke that the Libyan man jailed for the 1988 Lockerbie bombing was being considered for release.

Lord Mandelson (The Business Secretary) met with Seif al-Islam Gaddafi and talked briefly about the Lockerbie bomber Adelbaset Ali Al-Megrahi during a party held a fortnight ago by members of the wealthy Rothschild family in a villa on the Greek island.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #493 on: August 17, 2009, 11:19:01 AM »
List of Bilderberg attendees (UK) this has to be CONFLICT OF INTEREST (i.e. we the people)

Let's figure out how to broadcast the UK's RED/BLUE PARADIGM to the electing masses.

United Kingdom

Paddy Ashdown (1989), former leader of Liberal Democrats, High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina

Ed Balls (2006), former Economic Secretary to the Treasury and advisor to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and is currently Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families (2007-present)

Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington (Steering Committee member), former Foreign Secretary

Kenneth Clarke (1993, 1998, 1999, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008), Chancellor of the Exchequer 1993-1997, Shadow Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform 2008-current

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Viscount Cranborne) (1997) Leader of the House of Lords 94-97

Denis Arthur Greenhill, Lord Greenhill of Harrow (deceased) (1974), former Head of Foreign and Commonwealth Office

Denis Healey (founder and Steering Committee member), former Chancellor of the Exchequer

Peter Mandelson (1999, 2009) Business Secretary (2008-present)

John Monks (1996) former TUC General Secretary

George Osborne (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009) Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer (2004-Present)

David Owen (1982) former British Foreign Secretary and leader of the Social Democratic Party

Enoch Powell, (deceased) (1968) MP and Ulster Unionist

Malcolm Rifkind (1996)[48] former Foreign Secretary

Eric Roll (1964, 1966, 1967, 1973-1975, 1977-1999) (Bilderberg Steering Committee), Department of Economic Affairs, 1964, later Bilderberg Group Chairman

Prime Ministers

Tony Blair (1993), Prime Minister 1997-2007

Gordon Brown (1991), Prime Minister 2007-current

Edward Heath, Prime Minister 1970-1974

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #494 on: August 17, 2009, 11:24:39 AM »
UK politics is dead. No one ever proposes anything revolutionary. People attack you if you criticise that the Queen is head of state. The whole thing is a bunch  of rich scum sitting around mainly sleeping through sessions, but also often shouting at each other like animals. It's clear that they're puppets that run nothing.

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« Reply #495 on: August 17, 2009, 11:34:55 AM »
so, nobody got my (pathetic) RED/BLUE joke there?

and the (truncated) paradigm Prime Minister's list of Bilderberg attendees SHOULD have read:

Tony Blair (1993), Prime Minister 1997-2007

Gordon Brown (1991), Prime Minister 2007-current

Edward Heath, Prime Minister 1970-1974

Alec Douglas-Home (1977-1980), Chairman of the Bilderberg Group, Prime Minister 1963-1964

Margaret Thatcher (1975), Prime Minister 1979-1990

Proving that corporate interests OWN politics. And we the citizen, the humans of this country, are considered corporate chattles for such off-shore pirate bankers. Assets, is what we are for putting up with this for so long.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #496 on: August 17, 2009, 11:50:26 AM »
And didn't John Major attend the Bohemian grove?
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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #497 on: August 17, 2009, 11:56:29 AM »
Someone needs to do a UK joker poster with a joker Brown on the left and a joker Cameron on the right with the slogan:

'Different Puppets

Same Queen'
Why wait for progress?

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #498 on: August 17, 2009, 03:12:05 PM »
Someone needs to do a UK joker poster with a joker Brown on the left and a joker Cameron on the right with the slogan:

'Different Puppets

Same Queen'

I like the way your thinking, yes we could do with a UK spin off.


Perhaps like on the obama deception poster, one half of the face is Gordon Brown, the other David Cameron, and the make up as The Joker.

Perhaps in the small print the adage :
"By the Guy Fawkes Party, the only honest man to enter parliament"

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #499 on: August 20, 2009, 10:02:59 AM »
UK politics is dead. No one ever proposes anything revolutionary. People attack you if you criticise that the Queen is head of state. The whole thing is a bunch  of rich scum sitting around mainly sleeping through sessions, but also often shouting at each other like animals. It's clear that they're puppets that run nothing.

I've noticed the Guido Fawkes trolls even go after people who criticise our hallowed monarchy. The level of brainwashing is depressing.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #500 on: August 20, 2009, 10:04:39 AM »
And didn't John Major attend the Bohemian grove?

Not sure about that but Mandelson has. Hardly surprising though. He was probably one of the rentboys.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #501 on: August 20, 2009, 10:05:23 AM »
Perhaps in the small print the adage :
"By the Guy Fawkes Party, the only honest man to enter parliament"

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #502 on: August 20, 2009, 10:12:43 AM »
Don't you all have like 50 parties over there?  So shouldn't it be the left, right, upside down, sideways, etc. paradigm?

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #503 on: August 20, 2009, 10:27:26 AM »
Don't you all have like 50 parties over there?  So shouldn't it be the left, right, upside down, sideways, etc. paradigm?
Jason

only if they're all funded by the same corporate interest. The left/right paradigm shows that these bankers don't even care about politics - they're ABOVE that - none of them pay any taxes, none of them are convicted of crimes, they have diplomatic immunity when they need it. It's all a very different perspective on the contemporary world for them. The right get in, they earn from free trade. The left get in, they earn from the indentured. What do they care?

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #504 on: August 20, 2009, 10:43:45 AM »
We only have three main parties really but it looks like the Liberal Democrats are in danger of being replaced by UKIP. The Irish might actually do us a favour by voting yes on the Lisbon Treaty, aslong as a couple of other countries hold out until the general election.

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« Reply #505 on: August 20, 2009, 06:18:05 PM »
We only have three main parties really but it looks like the Liberal Democrats are in danger of being replaced by UKIP. The Irish might actually do us a favour by voting yes on the Lisbon Treaty, aslong as a couple of other countries hold out until the general election.

UKIP Rocks

http://www.ukip.org/


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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #506 on: September 08, 2009, 11:08:15 PM »
 ;) I take it you heard about Farage stepping down and running against Bercow in the general election, EG? That should be an interesting one to watch.

Oh and +1 conversion point. Why bother with elections when you can just assimilate?  ;D

PRESS RELEASE

COUNCILLOR GAVIN WEBB OF STOKE ON TRENT CITY COUNCIL RESIGNS FROM THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS AND JOINS THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY (LPUK)

http://lpuk.blogspot.com/2009/09/press-release-councillor-gavin-webb-of.html

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #507 on: September 28, 2009, 04:07:42 PM »
ED Balls, is that a Euphemism for something ;D, spent £3 million pounds doing up his office.

The Government department headed by schools secretary Ed Balls has lavished £3million on luxury office refurbishments including a massage room, it emerged last night. A 'contemplation suite' and an area set aside for Muslim prayer have been installed as part of a major makeover of the Department for Children, Schools and Families. Designer furniture was shipped over from Italy for the office refit, while black granite surface tops have been laid in the kitchen areas. Ed Balls during Labour MPs football match
Ed Balls playing football Offside? Ed Balls, pictured here during a football match at this week's Labour party conference, has spent £3million on a lavish office refurbishment The most costly expense was a grand staircase made from glass and surgical steel. Its price tag is understood to have run into hundreds of thousands of pounds. A gym, four lifts, six meeting rooms with high-tech conference equipment and two cafes have plumped up the bill for the two-year project to £3m.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216583/Ed-Balls-spends-3m-office-makeover--including-massage-room-Muslim-prayer-area.html#ixzz0SQvtEmWO

They're very good at cutting front line services which they force us to use, through their monopoly ownership, but when it comes to cutting spending on themselves or the wars and police state, can't do that.
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« Reply #508 on: September 29, 2009, 03:29:52 AM »
I envy the Americans in that ALEX JONES has finally exposed the left-right paradigm for them

Here in the UK, it's too ingrained. The papers never talk about the forced red-blue paradigm, and how they're stronger in conflict than they would be if there was one party.

It's very annoying - I mean, it's blatant.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #509 on: September 29, 2009, 04:07:47 AM »
The UK is the orwellian model for the rest of the western world ... most of us are dumbed down, disarmed, apathetic, fluoridated, X Factor watching, Queen worshipping slaves.
The truth will set you free
From global tyranny
Wake up American slobs
9/11 was an inside job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OntBg2qwk_M&fmt=35

Century of Manipulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mujq-C1UAw0

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #510 on: September 29, 2009, 04:12:16 AM »
The UK is the orwellian model for the rest of the western world ... most of us are dumbed down, disarmed, apathetic, fluoridated, X Factor watching, Queen worshipping slaves.

You know, you're right - we don't even realise it (I mean apart from the water-fluoridated part of what you've said (I'm sure though there's fluoridated water in some of our processed foods)) we're so cleverly indoctrinated in this country by a VERY BIG MEDIA machine aimed at our total compliance.

It was really Alex Jones (an American) who woke me up to global tyranny and more and more I'm starting to question what's going on/gone on in the UK, and by the UK ... it's triple-scary/infuriating. People don't realise the ruthlessness of the beast that rules (all aspects of) their lives.

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #511 on: September 29, 2009, 04:34:32 AM »
Actually many places in the country have the water flouridated. Here's information from the flouridationists.
http://www.bfsweb.org/One%20in%20a%20million/7%20extent.pdf

Mainly Northumberland and the midlands. Check out if your water is flouridated. I only found out when I released I was getting sick and having headaches after I drank the water. I found out that my area is flouridated, I started drinking bottled water and presto no headaches anymore.
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« Reply #512 on: September 29, 2009, 06:24:51 AM »
yeah, sure, my point was that the water-fluoridation factor isn't country-widespread, it's very localised. The food fluoridation might be the real spectre among our kids.

Anyway, I wanna see a decent RED-BLUE PARADIGM video on Youtube that I can use in a blogpost to highlight to the UK population how BOTH SIDES are run by the corporations.

Scootle,

I hope some time in the future, you'll be able to find some time to do such a video, use the Bilderberg attendance from both sides as a lever. Do it in the style of the Alex Jones Left-Right Paradigm ... maybe even strip the audio from that and put some Labour/Conservative images/footage on the movie???

Mike

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Re: The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide
« Reply #513 on: October 30, 2009, 08:19:27 PM »
Well this was a council by-election so I'm not sure what can be taken from it, but it does appear that the Tories hemorrhaged votes to UKIP. Hopefully the trend continues as the Lisbon debacle drags out.

Pity UKIP won't be part of any pre-general election debates.


Big UKIP by-election gain
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1306-big-ukip-byelection-gain

Friday, 30th October 2009

UKIP achieved another fantastic gain in vote share at yesterday's  Huntingdon North By election, reports Eastern Regional Organiser Cllr Peter Reeve.

The by-election was caused by the resignation of the sitting Liberal Democrat Cllr.
 
UKIP increased its share of the vote from 8.2% in 2008 to 22.3% . (Increase of +14.1%)
 
The Liberal Democrats held the seat by achieving a small increase in their share of the vote (+2.7%) and the Labour Candidate  also achieved a small gain (+1.8%) but came 4th Place being beaten by UKIP.
 
The Conservatives saw their vote plummet going from 47.2% in 2008 down to 28.5% (Down -18.7%). Despite their candidate being a local sitting County Councillor for the area (Cllr Liane Kadic)
 
Cllr Reeve, who was elected as a UKIP Councillor on to  Huntingdonshire District Council and Cambridgeshire County Council  in July this year, said: “This result is typical of what is happening to UKIP right across the country.

"Voters are now deciding to back UKIP in huge numbers because of our commonsense policies and our passion for listening to and representing the man in the street. Though Cllr Kadic is an impressive individual,  the Conservatives adopted some desperate measures including delivering an all Polish language election address. It seems that the Conservative Leadership no longer wish to represent traditional British values and as well as being passionately pro-EU and  led by a Polish MEP in the European Parliament, they  also now seem to be anti-English language.
 
"We would like to thank the residents of Huntingdon North for voting UKIP and to Peter Ashcroft our Candidate, our hard working local resident, and also thanks to the election agent Robert H Brown and the dedicated team in Huntingdonshire.
 
The 29th Oct 2009 Results for Huntingdon North were : Lib Dem  32.6% ( up +2.7%); Con 28.5% (down – 18.7%); UKIP 22.3% ( up +14.1%); Lab  16.4% ( up +1.8%)