The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide

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Offline Voskhod3

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Err no, it's in the £millions.

The investigation was restricted to the last four years by Gordon Brown.
One MP alone defrauded £80,000+

Even if it's in the millions (the report says £100,000's) then it's still peanuts spread amongst 600 MP's (or however many there are).

The question still remains... why did they let this happen?

It's almost like they WANT to dismantle Parliament.

Offline d3adp00l

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Seriously kids, its a couple quid in the grand scheme.

sure it seems like huge amounts of money to us, but compared to the rediculous amounts that gets tossed around for one law to pass or another, its really chump change.

The real point is this, YOUR JUST NOW realizing that they take money when they shouldn't? From places that they shouldn't?
Seriously you can't tell me that all of this is new to you?

I am sure if you went back in history you would find that they have been doing it for a long time.

That would be like acting surprised that your rights had been trampled.

Offline Chigs

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I'm in Scotland and some of us have been trying for independance from the UK for a long time now.
We're close and I hope all this brings us closer.
I also hope it leads the way for Ireland and Wales to also become Self-Governing.

It's not that I'm Anti-English, but I am Anti-Monarchy and Anti-Parliament.
I predict a landslide vote for the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) at the next election, by the Scots.
Then we want to get the current idiots in the Scottish Parliament, in particular, Alex Salmond, ousted and make Scotland Brave again.

As for the MP's fiddling expenses.......that's fraud and theft!
Prosecute and incarcerate them.

Raffles,

Have you done the sums, we don't want independence, we are heavly subsidised by th English, our taxes would go way up if we were independent. And dont count on the oil revenues, or profits from any big companies, if we got out independence all of the companies registered in Scotland would move their head offices down south to avoid higher taxes!

That aside, I recon this is staged, this has been released on purpose to p*ss off the people, you can't have a summer of rage if poeple aint p*ssed off!

Now what they've done is wrong and yes they should go, I'm just dubous about how this is unfolding ..... the is an agenda behind this i'm sure of it!
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Tempest in a teapot, they could fire the whole lot and next day you'd have another unelected elite-noble  Tory-Loyalist Conservatist or a Whig Loyalist Conservatist executive-fascist tyranny in office for another indefinite reign of corrupt secret backroom terror, corruption, oppression and tyranny.

Parliament is garbage, you are a nation of lowly, malodorous, racially and eugenically inferior "commoner subject animals" under the jackboots of permanent privileged wealthy-elite established Nazi-Anglican nobility.


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does anyone know if this is 'genuine' or staged?

Nope

And that was one of the key motives for starting this thread.
Not to argue over expense figures or scotlands fake independence.

Why the Silence on INFOWARS ?

Come on people, wake up.
This is a BIG story.

Let us co-operate and get some answers





Offline Raffles

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Raffles,

Have you done the sums, we don't want independence, we are heavly subsidised by th English, our taxes would go way up if we were independent. And dont count on the oil revenues, or profits from any big companies, if we got out independence all of the companies registered in Scotland would move their head offices down south to avoid higher taxes!

That aside, I recon this is staged, this has been released on purpose to p*ss off the people, you can't have a summer of rage if poeple aint p*ssed off!

Now what they've done is wrong and yes they should go, I'm just dubous about how this is unfolding ..... the is an agenda behind this i'm sure of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLyE0KzRK4&feature=related

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Good hopefully BNP will be elected

Offline limeygeeza

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Watched a Panorama programme earlier this evening about these scumbags and some other stuff that they're getting up to......BUT, although on the surface it seemed like Panorama were doing some good digging, something about the whole show seemed to me to be a bit limp and very patronising. My feeling is that there is something else going on, it all seems a bit too convenient that the Telegraph has suddenly shat on it's 'funny handshake gang' brothers! The way I see it, the elite are looking to get rid of some deadwood and some of those that are not playing the game to their liking, and/or the 'reforms' will be used as a way to expand and tighten the secrecy around MP's payments and expenses claims (don't ask me to put forward a coherent argument as to how exaclty this will be done, coz I don't have a clue ???). Something stinks and it reeks worse than the current expenses scandal, I just can't figure it out!!! It's like the whole thing is a kind of (Orwellian) 'doublescandal'!! A manufactured expose, a veneer to make us proles believe that at last we've got something on the bastards and that we have the power, through the democratic voting system, to do something about these charlatans!! Just another of their tricks. >:( >:(

Help me!!! Am I going bonkers!!!??    

Offline limeygeeza

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Good hopefully BNP will be elected

Good if you want more division and conflict amongst the ordinary people!!

Offline xereau

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This is your chance to take back your government.

What are you going to do?
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Offline Raffles

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This is your chance to take back your government.

What are you going to do?

Haven't had my backing since I got entitled to vote back in the 80's.

Sack them all and get people who are more interested in the country, than themselves.

Offline Stan

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How are your gun laws over there? They can watch you 24/7, and you can only have a firearm for sporting reasons, I wonder has the crime gone down? Do you feel safer?

I think gun crime has gone up close to 40% since Labour's blanket ban. Plus you can't have a gun for sporting reasons. Infact the British shooting team have to train aboard, last I checked.

Personally, I've only watched the news once or twice since this whole scandal really got started over a week ago. These guys should be punished but it's just another media distraction at the end of the day. Although I did find the article interesting. If we can't get the right people in, then we can at least enjoy some of the wrong people losing their jobs. I just hope UKIP do well in the European elections and perhaps be seen as more viable in terms of the general election.

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Good if you want more division and conflict amongst the ordinary people!!

Better than tolerating the mass rape, displacement and genocide!

Offline BlueBaron

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I think I stand for election as an MP  :)

Offline rustygunn

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Order out of chaos.
http://www.infowars.com/order.htm

It looks like you guys are in for a new order.  We are just a few steps behind you. 


Offline Stan

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Better than tolerating the mass rape, displacement and genocide!

Well if I helped elect the BNP I wouldn't be classed as a real Briton, so no...

I'm kinda bored with the whole Nazi thing anyway.

Offline Raffles

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Well if I helped elect the BNP I wouldn't be classed as a real Briton, so no...

I'm kinda bored with the whole Nazi thing anyway.

I know.

Goose Stepping and book burning get's kinda lame after a while!  :D

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Good hopefully BNP will be elected

You ain't got a clue.  :(

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you go brits take back your rights fck those bobbies  :P
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Offline Revolt426

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This is what you would call, the return from the Covert British Empire, to Open British Empire Neo-Feudalism (And probably King Charles).

Though i feel bad for the British Citizens, London houses the most disgusting, evil, wretched criminals in the world - hopefully things will not end up the way it appears.
"Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate … It will purge the rottenness out of the system..." - Andrew Mellon, Secretary of Treasury, 1929.

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Watched a Panorama programme earlier this evening about these scumbags and some other stuff that they're getting up to......BUT, although on the surface it seemed like Panorama were doing some good digging, something about the whole show seemed to me to be a bit limp and very patronising. My feeling is that there is something else going on, it all seems a bit too convenient that the Telegraph has suddenly shat on it's 'funny handshake gang' brothers! The way I see it, the elite are looking to get rid of some deadwood and some of those that are not playing the game to their liking, and/or the 'reforms' will be used as a way to expand and tighten the secrecy around MP's payments and expenses claims (don't ask me to put forward a coherent argument as to how exaclty this will be done, coz I don't have a clue ???). Something stinks and it reeks worse than the current expenses scandal, I just can't figure it out!!! It's like the whole thing is a kind of (Orwellian) 'doublescandal'!! A manufactured expose, a veneer to make us proles believe that at last we've got something on the bastards and that we have the power, through the democratic voting system, to do something about these charlatans!! Just another of their tricks. >:( >:(

Help me!!! Am I going bonkers!!!??    

Yup
 ;D

I can not figure it out either, but I do share your suspicions. The Telegraph was owned by Conrad Black, but he has been publicly burned and it is now owned by the Barclay Bros whom I know next to nothing about. It might just be the case that just one paper is not controlled and owned by Bilderberg. I really dont know the answers, I just have a lot of suspicion and questions.

I also fear that if the conspirators are not behind this event at the beginning, they intend to seize back control of events.

I wish to hear what Alex thinks.

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I think gun crime has gone up close to 40% since Labour's blanket ban. Plus you can't have a gun for sporting reasons. Infact the British shooting team have to train aboard, last I checked.

Personally, I've only watched the news once or twice since this whole scandal really got started over a week ago. These guys should be punished but it's just another media distraction at the end of the day. Although I did find the article interesting. If we can't get the right people in, then we can at least enjoy some of the wrong people losing their jobs. I just hope UKIP do well in the European elections and perhaps be seen as more viable in terms of the general election.

Yes rather strange how gun crime has gone up and begs the question were are these guns coming from ?
Drugs / Guns for 'Peace' from 'Decomissioned Stockpiles' from Ireland I suspect, but cant not prove....

My american wife noted that the word "UKIP" is absent, which is totaly illogical.
What other party stands to gain in the up and coming Euro Elections ?

Surely the public will punish the mainstream parties, yet to suggest that the public would suddenly turn into raving Nazi Voters and turn out for the BNP is riddiculous...!!! Which begs the question, is this up and coming Euro Election about to see massive vote fraud ?




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I wish I could say something good could come from this upheaval in the paliment, but I know better.

Folks it comes down to one thing when it comes to freedom, are you free to OWN land, and I don't mean real estate, or fee simple, and you a souvereign human able to really own land. And the answer to that most basic building block of freedom is NO you aren't.

http://www.whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/largest-landowner/

But she is, and so are a few others. Until you deal with that freedom is not possible.

And who ever is going to get put in their place will not do you a damned bit of good in those regards. Even if it went back to the way thing were years ago, you and I would all just be peasants of a different name to Lords of different names.

You can not have freedom or liberty without the ability to live independant of the world, and its systems of control.

Offline xereau

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Haven't had my backing since I got entitled to vote back in the 80's.

Sack them all and get people who are more interested in the country, than themselves.

I don't think you understand what I meant.

It is time for YOU to run.

It is time for YOU to get elected.

It is time for YOU, and others like YOU to take back your country.

You will never be presented with an opportunity like this again.

Either you get elected NOW, or a shill appointed to take the place of those on the way out, will.

On another note, what is the word on those being maneuvered in to take the place of those that will be deposed?  I have heard from various sources that a 'new' hardcore right wing party is being touted as the next big thing.  If so, then this mass exodus could very well be an arranged event.
Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex. --  Frank Zappa

Offline msr

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Why doesn't this happen to the congress in america?

Surely they are far worse, as we all know, with there pork useless 200 million dollar tiolet seats etc....

Offline limeygeeza

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This is your chance to take back your government.

What are you going to do?


To start with I'm gonna be voting for UKIP, for what it's worth, at least if we're out of the EU we may have half a chance!!  ???

Anyone know of any reasons NOT to vote UKIP!!! 

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To start with I'm gonna be voting for UKIP, for what it's worth, at least if we're out of the EU we may have half a chance!!  ???

Anyone know of any reasons NOT to vote UKIP!!! 

If they're running against a Libertarian.

Offline limeygeeza

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If they're running against a Libertarian.


Example!!

Offline Stan

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Example!!

www.lpuk.org

I'm not sure how many they're running at this stage but apparently they'll have candidates across the country.

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 I don't usually bother voting as it seems pointless, but i will be voting  UKIP this time as its not a first past the post election.The only other options are 3 choices of  Fabian Socialism, or here in Scotland we have an additional choice of Fabian Socialism in a tartan frock.

 But you have to admire Nigel Farage standing up to these fascists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_6e1A7gzA&feature=related

 I hope she doesn't go home and burn down the reichstag. :D

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That is the game to get you to vote, whoever you vote for.

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You should look at it as the referendum we were denied.

Offline Raffles

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You should look at it as the referendum we were denied.
Hi Weegie1.
Fellow Scot here.  ;)

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50 Labour MPs must go – union chief  Guardian

GMB leader calls for Labour to go further as it investigates four MPs' expenses claims

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/27/labour-expenses-deselection-panel

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Government starts inquiry into ministers' tax affairs - Telegraph

Inquiry into the tax liabilities of ministers follows disclosures over use of their expenses by The Daily Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5393040/MPs-expenses-Government-starts-investigation-into-ministers-tax-affairs.html

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MPs' expenses: Gordon Brown proposes constitutional changes in wake of scandal

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, is the latest party leader to propose constitutional changes in the wake of the MPs' expenses scandal.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5392110/MPs-expenses-Gordon-Brown-proposes-constitutional-changes-in-wake-of-scandal.html

20 Days of Silence at INFOWARS

(Come on Alex, say something)

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Tory MP Alan Haselhurst repays £12,000 after Telegraph and Simon Heffer pressure

Sir Alan Haselhurst repaying expenses after The Telegraph's associate editor started work on a potential campaign to unseat the Tory MP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5392556/MPs-expenses-Tory-MP-repays-12000-after-Telegraph-and-Simon-Heffer-pressure.html

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'Public execution' for MP who paid her sister £12,000 as 'secretary' - even though she lived 140 miles away

Julie Kirkbride faces a 'public execution' after she was told to meet voters to explain claims that her brother and sister exploited her expenses. The Tory MP paid her sister Karen Leadley £12,000 a year from public funds to be an 'executive secretary'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187671/Public-execution-MP-Julie-Kirkbride-revealed-paid-sister-12-000-secretary.html

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Torrent of greed: MPs' expenses hit £100million a year

The amount of taxpayer money set aside each year for MPs' expenses has risen 60 per cent in seven years and now stands at more than £100million.

The cost of second homes, travel, staff, office equipment and other claims rose from £57.5million in 2001/02 to £92.9million in 2007/08 - a £35.4million increase.

Incredibly, Commons chiefs had set aside a record £109.3million for expenses in the current financial year before the scandal broke.



That does not include MPs' salaries. A backbencher's basic pay is £64,766. Critics said the predicted total was a 'damning' indictment of MPs' attitude to spending public money.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1188544/Torrent-greed-MPs-expenses-hit-100million-year.html

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Brown backs voter 'recall' powers and pledges reforms of political system will be unveiled within days of Euro elections

Gordon Brown today pledged to consider the idea of a U.S.-style 'recall' law for MPs that would allow voters to oust them if they stepped out of line.

The Prime Minister appeared to back the concept, which has gained ground in the wake of the row over MPs' expenses.
The public are furious they cannot force out representatives who have lined their pockets with taxpayers' money until the next election.

Mr Brown opened the door to the idea as he indicated plans to give power back to the people will be unveiled within weeks.
He declared he would consider anything that makes the political elite more accountable to citizens.

'By recall, redress and better representations, all local people can have far more influence on local budgets and local decisions, from policing to schooling,' he said.



Proposals to strengthen Parliament and give voters a stronger voice are set to be published within days of next week's European elections.

It is a clear move to trump David Cameron, who only yesterday promised a Tory government would give the 'man and woman in the street' more control over their lives.

The expenses row had laid bare the long-running problem of 'disengagement' between the public and their elected representatives, Mr Brown said.

'Everyone must know that they are being heard. We will shortly publish proposals which reform the Commons and put more power where it belongs - in the people's hands,' he wrote in the Independent.

'There is no option I will not consider if it redistributes power. What has always been clear to me is that we must look at new ways in which the political elites can be made accountable to serve more effectively the single most important person in our democracy - the citizen.'

Other possible steps include ending the right of party whips to appoint chairmen and members of select committees.

MPs rather than the government of the day could also be allowed to set the timetable for how bills are debated.

The plans emerged as Labour's 'star chamber' convened for the first time to decide the fate of backbenchers caught up in the expenses row.

Tory sources suggest Mr Cameron has also not ruled out the recall idea as long as it was triggered by findings from an official Parliamentary watchdog.



The Tory leader promised yesterday to return power to the people, who have been 'disgusted' by the behaviour of the country's ruling classes.

In a landmark speech, he promised to implement the most wide-reaching reforms in generations to clean up politics after the Westminster expenses scandal

He made several pledges - to give ordinary voters the right to change local laws, slash the number of MPs by 10 per cent and force Whitehall mandarins to publish their expenses online.

He also promised to 'seriously consider' the introduction of fixed-term Parliaments and giving MPs more free votes on new legislation.

But he also left himself wriggle room, sparking charges that his proposals are a cynical attempt to cash in on public rage.
The intervention was designed to steal a march on Gordon Brown, who has pledged to introduce reforms in the coming months.

In his speech at the Open University in Milton Keynes, Mr Cameron said a 'massive sweeping, radical redistribution of power', including a curb on the power of the Premier, was needed to halt social breakdown.

He sought to channel what he called the 'terrible but impotent anger' voters feel when confronted by nanny state officials who are 'self-serving, not serving us'.

Mr Cameron said: 'We rage that, as we go about our business, we are picked and poked and bossed around, annoyed and irritated and endlessly harassed by public and private sector officialdom that treats us like children with rules and regulations and directives and laws that no one voted for, no one supports, but no one ever seems to be able to do the slightest thing about.'

 A Conservative government would respond by giving ordinary voters to overturn government decisions they do not like.
 If around 3,500 people in a typical constituency got together to complain, they could force a local referendum to veto moves to close post offices or railway stations.



Mr Cameron said he would throw open the entire legislative process to further scrutiny.

Voters would be able to track the progress of a bill online and receive text messages. The ban on Commons proceedings being posted on YouTube would be lifted.

He insisted: 'Everything about our political process published online, all the time. The expenses, the spending, the lobbying, parliamentary proceedings, the lot.'

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David Cameron: 'We are picked on and poked and bossed around, annoyed and irritated and endlessly harassed by public and private sector officialdom that treats us like children'

In Westminster he said he would offer MPs more freedom to make changes during the committee stage of a Bill, when legislation is scrutinised line by line. MPs, rather than party Whips, would pick the chairmen of Commons select committees.
He also vowed to reduce the number of Whitehall special advisers spinning on behalf of ministers and force all public servants earning £150,000 or more publish their expenses.

This could end to the Whitehall culture of free trips and taxpayer-funded lunches.

Mr Cameron concluded: 'I believe there is only one way out of this national crisis we face - we need a massive, sweeping, radical redistribution of power. From the state to citizens, from the Government to parliament-from Whitehall to communities, from Brussels to Britain, from judges to the people, from bureaucracy to democracy.

'Through decentralisation, transparency and accountability we must take power away from the political elite and hand it to the man and woman in the street.'



Mr Cameron's proposals sparked an instant response from the government.

Justice Secretary Jack Straw went even further, voicing support for proposals to let the public boot out any MPs abusing their position.

He called on Mr Cameron to join all-party talks on the future of politics, but accused him of 'playing catch-up' to Gordon Brown.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said the Cameron plans were more of a 'nip and tuck of British politics' than a shake-up.
Andy Sawford, chief executive of the Local Government Information Unit think-tank said: 'This kind of rhetoric has been around for years. If we rely on turkeys to vote for Christmas, ministers and MPs will never give up real power.'

Other critics said Mr Cameron had made few commitments, but a senior Tory source responded: 'We would be mad to talk about all these ideas and then not implement most of them. We are deadly serious.'