The left-right paradigm going strong in UK; Tories heading for landslide

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325 MPs to be swept away at next election - Times

(INFOWARS Sleeps through collapse of UK Govt)



AT least half of the House of Commons’ 646 MPs will be swept away at the general election, as voters take revenge on the political classes for the expenses scandal.

 The departure of 325 members of parliament as a result of forced resignations, retirement and defeat at the polls would represent the biggest clear-out of parliament since 1945.

 As many as 30 will be forced to resign directly because of the expenses scandal, while whips expect more than 200 to quit because they are unable to cope with continued public anger. Up to 90 MPs will be voted out in the election.

 Research conducted by The Sunday Times and Professor Colin Rallings, director of the elections centre at Plymouth University, suggests that about 170 Labour MPs will not defend their seats while 55 Conservatives are also expected to retire.

Dozens more MPs from all parties are likely to lose their seats as voters kick out incumbents, accused of profiting from their allowances.

 Rallings said: “If, as the current polls suggest, the Conservatives were to win the general election with an overall majority of 80 seats, it is likely that fully half of MPs in the new House of Commons will be new, a product both of incumbents being defeated and MPs retiring. It would be without parallel since 1945.

 The disclosure comes as Gordon Brown, desperate to retake the political initiative, examines radical constitutional reforms including the introduction of four-year, fixed-term parliaments.

 Supporters of the plan say that removing the power of a future prime minister to determine the date of the general election would create a fairer system. However, it would tie the hands of the Conservatives, should they win the election.
 
 Brown is facing growing pressure from senior Labour figures to resolve uncertainty about the date of the general election. David Cameron, the Conservative leader, has called for an autumn election.

 Charles Clarke, the former home secretary, said: “It would be best now for Gordon Brown to set the election day as the first Thursday in May 2010 and stick to that date.

 Andrew MacKay, Cameron’s former chief political adviser, yesterday became the biggest casualty of the expenses scandal when he announced he would step down at the next election, following an ultimatum from the Conservative leader. He said: “I believe I could be a distraction at a time when he is working to get elected as prime minister.”

 The brother of his wife, the MP Julie Kirkbride, sometimes lived rent-free in their taxpayer-funded Bromsgrove home.

 Ian McCartney, the former Labour party chairman, also announced his retirement in the wake of the scandal. McCartney, the MP for Makerfield, has paid back £15,000 of expenses after buying at the taxpayers’ expense an 18-piece dinner set, champagne flutes and wine glasses, a £700 dining table and chairs and sofas worth £1,328. McCartney, who has had heart surgery, said he was going because of health problems.

 MacKay’s departure means six MPs have already been directly forced out by the expenses scandal. More resignations are likely this week as the Labour and Conservative “star chambers” meet to discuss the most serious abuses.

 McCartney’s retirement brings to 38 the total number of Labour MPs who have announced their decision to go, for a range of reasons.

 Senior whips believe the number could rise to 170 - half the parliamentary party. “We think that one out of every two MPs will ultimately decide to go,” said a whip. “Those likely to leave are split evenly between marginals and safe seats: 170 sounds like a huge figure and it is, but that reflects the level of despair in the party.

 Whips believe that there will be a flurry of resignations after the Whitsun recess, when MPs consult their frustrated families and angry constituents.

 A total of 20 safe Tory seats will definitely become vacant at the next election, including those of grandees who have resigned after being accused of expenses abuses. Party whips estimate that a further 35 MPs, mainly over the age of 60, will shortly announce their retirement.

 The Liberal Democrats expect about five departures and a similar number of MPs from minor parties will retire.
 Rallings estimates that on current polling trends a further 60 MPs will leave parliament as a result of being defeated at the polls. He also estimates that a further 30 MPs will go as a result of “churn” - seats changing hands between the Lib Dems, nationalists and main parties. This takes the total number of MPs leaving the Commons to 325. That figure would rise further if Cameron’s majority proves to be larger than 80 or if independent antisleaze candidates such as Esther Rantzen, the television presenter, are elected to parliament.

 In the 1997 Labour landslide election, just under 250 MPs left parliament through retirement or defeat at the polls. In the 1945 Labour landslide, half of the MPs returned to parliament were new. However, this was exceptional because of the second world war.

Harriet Harman, Labour’s deputy leader, and Jack Straw, the justice secretary, are drawing up sweeping reforms to modernise parliament in the wake of the expenses row.

 A spokesman said they would “certainly” consider axing prime ministerial control over election timing.

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MPs' expenses: Claim for cost of bailiffs
 An MP who employs his wife to work in his constituency office billed the taxpayer for bailiff fees after the property’s rent fell into arrears.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5375387/MPs-expenses-Claim-for-cost-of-bailiffs.html

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MPs' expenses: Tory claimed £10,000 for website
 A former Tory minister charged the taxpayer nearly £10,000 for the cost of starting and running her website – a price an expert claimed was more than seven times the normal market rate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5375300/MPs-expenses-Tory-claimed-10000-for-website.html

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Wow. Your country has been turned into a disarmed 1984 style police state and this is the thing that gets you guys fired up? I don't get it, but go on with your bad selves then.
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This whole MPs expenses thing is stupid. What we need is a transparent government that publishes all its expenses in real-time on a website for everyone to view.

Calling a "snap election" is just going to lead to a new bunch of crooks in power.

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Haha this is just them getting careless and showing how they rob us blind. It's the massive bribes these people take that worries me.

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This whole MPs expenses thing is stupid. What we need is a transparent government that publishes all its expenses in real-time on a website for everyone to view.

Calling a "snap election" is just going to lead to a new bunch of crooks in power.

What the "End Game" is, and who is behind this 'event' should be of real concern to all PP Members.
We dont know if this is 'staged' or if it is a genuine 'event'.
What we can be fairly sure about is 'they' will come up with some plan to twist this 'event' to suit there long term goal.

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Haha this is just them getting careless and showing how they rob us blind. It's the massive bribes these people take that worries me.

Yes to parapharse dear Oscar

To loose one MP is unfortunate
To loose two MPs is careless
To loose 325 MPs is un-speakable


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Well here's V at parliament  ;D. Typical BBC describes five peaceful protesters and a firecracker as a flashmob.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8065335.stm
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It has been amazing to see how fast the UK has degenerated into such a hardcore police state. The last few years has been a rapid spiral downward for any real freedoms there it seems. It's hard to imagine what it will be like as it gets worse, and to think that it's on it's way to every country.

I don't see a collapse, but definately a shaking up. The ruling class has to rid itself of the riffraff on occasion! Don't play ball? Your out of the game.
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What the "End Game" is, and who is behind this 'event' should be of real concern to all PP Members.
We dont know if this is 'staged' or if it is a genuine 'event'.
What we can be fairly sure about is 'they' will come up with some plan to twist this 'event' to suit there long term goal.

Here's an endgame: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6323078.ece

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Here's an endgame: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6323078.ece

yup

"Parliament was forced to surrender its ancient right to run its own affairs on a momentous day in which the Speaker, Michael Martin, paid for the scandal over MPs’ expenses with his job." - see JSqueal's link above

They talk a lot about "an independent panel", but that is probably just code for an un-elected quango.

Some
Seriously
Spooky
Stuff
going on in the UK

Several Scenarios come to mind.


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It has been amazing to see how fast the UK has degenerated into such a hardcore police state. The last few years has been a rapid spiral downward for any real freedoms there it seems. It's hard to imagine what it will be like as it gets worse, and to think that it's on it's way to every country.

I don't see a collapse, but definately a shaking up. The ruling class has to rid itself of the riffraff on occasion! Don't play ball? Your out of the game.

Yea, serious NAZI-Eco-Friendly State being built.

Meanwhile

The Public sit Drooling on  the couch
while Auntie BBC tells plays it down as not that significant

Why no riots ?
Why no rallies ?
Why no strikes ?

Perhaps I should shutup, pay my licence fee, drool and drible like the other morons in the UK.

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Well here's V at parliament  ;D. Typical BBC describes five peaceful protesters and a firecracker as a flashmob.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8065335.stm

Yea if they do not 'stage it'
or
have anything to gain
they censor it from the publics attention.

Drool . . . Dribble . . . Drool . . .

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yup

"Parliament was forced to surrender its ancient right to run its own affairs on a momentous day in which the Speaker, Michael Martin, paid for the scandal over MPs’ expenses with his job." - see JSqueal's link above

They talk a lot about "an independent panel", but that is probably just code for an un-elected quango.

Some
Seriously
Spooky
Stuff
going on in the UK

Several Scenarios come to mind.


Beware the Vultures circling the Commons

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/6730

Here's an interesting assessment of it.

It Seems to me that right now the unelected portions of Britain's government, the Monarchists, police are attacking the only part of Britain's government that is elected by the people over a distraction issue while the banksters have pilfered trillions of pounds and put us into debt that can never be repaid.
For who can endure a doctrine which would allow only dentists to say whether our teeth were aching, only cobblers to say whether our shoes hurt us, and only governments to tell us whether we were being well governed? C.S. Lewis

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MPs' expenses: New MP sought four beds for a one-bedroom London flat

An MP elected in 2005 spent nearly £11,000 over two years on setting up a second home in London.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5375200/MPs-expenses-New-MP-sought-four-beds-for--a-one-bedroom-London-flat.html

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MPs' expenses: Andrew MacKay heckled by constituents over claims

Conservative MP Andrew MacKay was heckled with cries of "give it back" as he faced his constituents at a public meeting in Bracknell on Friday night.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5371016/MPs-expenses-Andrew-MacKay-heckled-by-constituents-over-claims.html

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It's okay the Queen will just tell the parliament what to do, like in Canada, and the people will not say anything, like in Canada.  Long live the queen, and cowardly sheeple.

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Public paid for ministers to have media makeovers
 Three Cabinet ministers claimed the cost of hiring a “media trainer” on their office expenses.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5380079/MPs-expenses-Public-paid-for-Cabinet-ministers-to-have-media-makeovers.html

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Ed Balls's claim for Remembrance wreaths
 One of Gordon Brown’s closest allies, claimed £33 for two Remembrance Sunday poppy wreaths — and had the bill disallowed.

He did not want to pay for the wreath out of his own pocket.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5380085/MPs-expenses-Ed-Ballss-claim-for-Remembrance-Sunday-wreaths.html

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MPs' expenses: Special tax rules for MPs

 While Cabinet ministers have been allowed to claim taxpayers’ money for the cost of accountancy advice, hardly anyone outside the Palace of Westminster is able to recoup the costs of minimising their tax bill.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5380035/MPs-expenses-Special-tax-rules-for-MPs.html


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Looks like the UK people will flip a coin and have it land on the same side again.

Vote independent I say or not at all.
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I'm in Scotland and some of us have been trying for independance from the UK for a long time now.
We're close and I hope all this brings us closer.
I also hope it leads the way for Ireland and Wales to also become Self-Governing.

It's not that I'm Anti-English, but I am Anti-Monarchy and Anti-Parliament.
I predict a landslide vote for the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) at the next election, by the Scots.
Then we want to get the current idiots in the Scottish Parliament, in particular, Alex Salmond, ousted and make Scotland Brave again.

As for the MP's fiddling expenses.......that's fraud and theft!
Prosecute and incarcerate them.

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HAHAHA. The majority of Britons are just retarded. They didn't resist when they came for their guns. They have no excuses. They did it to themselves.

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HAHAHA. The majority of Britons are just retarded. They didn't resist when they came for their guns. They have no excuses. They did it to themselves.
Funnily enough, it means our Police don't generally shoot and Taze people at random either.
Guess that's a retarded generalization too though eh?

Ever been to Britain?
Could you find it on a map?

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HAHAHA. The majority of Britons are just retarded. They didn't resist when they came for their guns. They have no excuses. They did it to themselves.
You gotta have a resistant culture there as a foundation to even have a hope for it to continue into the future.

In Australia everything was given to us and we did have pockets of rebellions in the past however the culture was slowly manipulated into it's current form.

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I think there is somthing going on under the surface of this scandal, a bigger plan by the elite maybe?
But to anyone who does not live in the UK .... Dont be fooled by the impression you are getting from the media. There are a lot of Brits who are aware that this could all be a smokescreen for something else, we are not all fools.

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HAHAHA. The majority of Britons are just retarded. They didn't resist when they came for their guns. They have no excuses. They did it to themselves.

Idiot

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HAHAHA. The majority of Britons are just retarded. They didn't resist when they came for their guns. They have no excuses. They did it to themselves.

Oh dear,

looks you have been the victim of the 'education' system.

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I'm in Scotland and some of us have been trying for independance from the UK for a long time now.
We're close and I hope all this brings us closer.
I also hope it leads the way for Ireland and Wales to also become Self-Governing.

It's not that I'm Anti-English, but I am Anti-Monarchy and Anti-Parliament.
I predict a landslide vote for the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) at the next election, by the Scots.
Then we want to get the current idiots in the Scottish Parliament, in particular, Alex Salmond, ousted and make Scotland Brave again.

As for the MP's fiddling expenses.......that's fraud and theft!
Prosecute and incarcerate them.

You will not get an independent Scotland, just an insignificant province in the European Union. Like wise England, Wales will also be independent provinces in the European Union. At Brussels they will rejoice having disarmed an outpost of anti-european power.

While I fully sympathise with an independent Scotland, will it be inside or outside the European Union ?

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There are plenty more prospect MP's of the same mindset waiting in the wings.

This whole expenses thing has been a distraction, the people will be allowed to think they have some power.

They don't really.


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You will not get an independent Scotland, just an insignificant province in the European Union. Like wise England, Wales will also be independent provinces in the European Union. At Brussels they will rejoice having disarmed an outpost of anti-european power.

While I fully sympathise with an independent Scotland, will it be inside or outside the European Union ?

Not really concerned with being "significant".
Nor membership in the EU.

Just want to live in a country free of 'breadheads'.

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as a Canadian i think what will happen in the UK  will happen in Canada wee are under the Queens jurisdiction

so usually what happens in UK it will reflect on the rest of the world !!!
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great new report on the story Evade

But seriously, that little bit of well supervised sparkler action (they proly pulled a permit to do it) is hardly anything but a waste of time.

Also seriously in london, and other places, there is cameras for every square inch, scanning license plates, face scanning, and logging the data for at least two years, so they know your patterns.

AND THEY ARE MAD ABOUT THIS?!?!?!?!?!

Don't act surprised we all know our politicians abuse their power in every way they can, ALL OF ENGLAND knows this too. ANd now people are upset over it?!?

From what I have heard, you have to have a membership to a registered airsoft team in order to buy an airsoft gun? Thats freedom? Your free to buy a toy, if and only if you show need of the toy. And then you can only use it in designated areas at designated times.

How are your gun laws over there? They can watch you 24/7, and you can only have a firearm for sporting reasons, I wonder has the crime gone down? Do you feel safer?

And a couple quid the mps blew is getting everyone pissed? Jesus help all of us.

I am not just baggin on you, the US is in no way better, but damn what is it gonna take to get people fightin mad?

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And a couple quid the mps blew is getting everyone pissed? Jesus help all of us.



It's just not a "couple of quid"!

It's enough to feed thousands of families and heat their homes.
The constituents these MP's are supposed to represent.

Hush!

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It's just not a "couple of quid"!

It's enough to feed thousands of families and heat their homes.
The constituents these MP's are supposed to represent.

Hush!

In the grand scheme of things it's a couple of pence.

It's in the £100,000's of pounds.

The question is.. why have they allowed this to happen (by "they" I don't mean the majority of the MP's themselves).

Is this part of a deliberate plan to get the people wanting a new system?

One already prepared?

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In the grand scheme of things it's a couple of pence.

It's in the £100,000's of pounds.



Err no, it's in the £millions.

The investigation was restricted to the last four years by Gordon Brown.
One MP alone defrauded £80,000+

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What about all moonlighting / bribes ?

Instead of taking a "bribe", they get employed by a corp. The corp only requires them to turn up for a board meeting ( slap up feed, expenses paid, trip to strippers club etc ) a couple of times a year. They claim it is not a bribe, because they got "paid to work". They also claim it is all 'above board' because they register it in an obscure register in the house.

It is in your face corruption.

How do they find the time to have a second job ?


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does anyone know if this is 'genuine' or staged?
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