Sherrif Raid on Dawn Welsh's Home!

[Libertarian Perspective]

He is a jackboots apologist, I really do not know what he is even doing on this website. It doesn't matter that to him it seems reasonable that the police demand and ask questios when it is unneccessary and frankly no, even in the Uk you don't need to tell police shit when they stop you for a traffic stop. Police have stopped me because they have a quarrel with me, I am in no mood to incriminate myself and unless thye suspect me in a crime I as they say in their won words HAVE A RIGHT TO BE SILENT so I choose to exercise that right.

[Swmorgan77]

All she had to do was pay her mortgage.  But no, she didn't.   THEN on top of it, she pulls this "defiant" act for everyone, and of course everything thinks she is some sort of "hero"

She is a criminal, and was treated as such.   Don't trespass if you aren't ready to suffer the consequences. 

I'm tired of people breaking the law and giving skewed versions of the story to make them seem like the victim.

Why would she pay a mortgage for which she had already paid in full?  If the new mortgage company had a legitimate claim that she owed, the burden of proof should be on them to demonstrate it and back it up. 

[Raffles]

Does it matter who I work for?  I could be a sheriff.. I could be a member of the CIA.. I could be in the Marines... but does it really matter?  

Yes!
I can only hope that you never attain any position of power over others, as you are clearly a megalomaniac and I wouldn't put you in charge of running me a bath!

[Cpl744]

Wow.. there's a whole lot of mis-infowarriors in this thread.

I swear...does the CIA pay you morons to post this fringe crap!?   

I state the law and there are a bunch of twinks who stand here and insult me, and post their rhetoric. 

You idiots won't win.. I can grantee... Free speech will reign.  Screw the NWO and those of you who are sent here to try to twist everything said

Beware listeners and readers.  The beast is right in front of you.

Now watch what they say.. they will most likely insult me... make up some wild accusations (like im a Cop... like they already did.. and try to discredit me) and try to win your praise.

DON'T LET THEM WIN!

These same idiots are trying to draw attention away from everything im saying.  I know the smart ones will see through it.

I AM NOT A COP... regardless of how much the mis-infowarriors want to claim I am.  Dont let them win!

[Raffles]

Wow.. there's a whole lot of mis-infowarriors in this thread.

I swear...does the CIA pay you morons to post this fringe crap!?   

I state the law and there are a bunch of twinks who stand here and insult me, and post their rhetoric. 

You idiots won't win.. I can grantee... Free speech will reign.  Screw the NWO and those of you who are sent here to try to twist everything said

Beware listeners and readers.  The beast is right in front of you.

Now watch what they say.. they will most likely insult me... make up some wild accusations (like im a Cop... like they already did.. and try to discredit me) and try to win your praise.

DON'T LET THEM WIN!

These same idiots are trying to draw attention away from everything im saying.  I know the smart ones will see through it.

I AM NOT A COP... regardless of how much the mis-infowarriors want to claim I am.  Dont let them win!

Yes.
STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING EVERYONE AND LISTEN TO HIM!!!! 

[Cpl744]

Yea SRSLY! 

[Vipercat]

Wow.. there's a whole lot of mis-infowarriors in this thread.

I swear...does the CIA pay you morons to post this fringe crap!?   

I state the law and there are a bunch of twinks who stand here and insult me, and post their rhetoric. 

You idiots won't win.. I can grantee... Free speech will reign.  Screw the NWO and those of you who are sent here to try to twist everything said

Beware listeners and readers.  The beast is right in front of you.

Now watch what they say.. they will most likely insult me... make up some wild accusations (like im a Cop... like they already did.. and try to discredit me) and try to win your praise.

DON'T LET THEM WIN!

These same idiots are trying to draw attention away from everything im saying.  I know the smart ones will see through it.

I AM NOT A COP... regardless of how much the mis-infowarriors want to claim I am.  Dont let them win!

I am not sure what exactly you are, but you have all the traditional markings of a disinfo agent. We have not been calling you names, we have simply been stating how wrong you are if you seriously think cops can do anything they want with little or no limits. We do not condone violent beatings for simply refusing to show I.D. we do not condone seizure without due process. You can call yourself whatever you want and you can call us whatever name you want, it does not make it true or fool us. A fat man with a stupid little haircut and suit with a bunch of popular mechanics shills named Glenn Beck can not fool us, what makes you think you can? P.S. I'm still waiting on those state and federal laws, and court case precedents based on Constitutional laws. We do not forget and are not fooled easily by people like you. You come in trying to intentionally stir up people with comments you know are outrageous, then you make absurd egregious claims trying to turn people against one another and trying to pose as some sort of representative of the patriot movement and supporter of Alex Jones. You may not be a cop, but you are some sort of troll or shill.

[Libertarian Perspective]

I will listen to you Oh Great one, I am sorry for disagreeing with you in latter posts, government agents have been around my house and now I realise: I LOVE BIG BROTHER!

[Raffles]

I will listen to you Oh Great one, I am sorry for disagreeing with you in latter posts, government agents have been around my house and now I realise: I LOVE BIG BROTHER!

That's better.
Now remember to lick the sole of the boot pressing down on your face! 

[Shorebreak]

Wow.. there's a whole lot of mis-infowarriors in this thread.

I swear...does the CIA pay you morons to post this fringe crap!?   

I state the law and there are a bunch of twinks who stand here and insult me, and post their rhetoric. 

You idiots won't win.. I can grantee... Free speech will reign.  Screw the NWO and those of you who are sent here to try to twist everything said

Beware listeners and readers.  The beast is right in front of you.

Now watch what they say.. they will most likely insult me... make up some wild accusations (like im a Cop... like they already did.. and try to discredit me) and try to win your praise.

DON'T LET THEM WIN!

These same idiots are trying to draw attention away from everything im saying.  I know the smart ones will see through it.

I AM NOT A COP... regardless of how much the mis-infowarriors want to claim I am.  Dont let them win!

I'm still waiting for your response, bro. I've asked you a couple of times already. The only thing I can assume is that you don't have one that holds water.

[Libertarian Perspective]

"Wow.. there's a whole lot of mis-infowarriors in this thread.

I swear...does the CIA pay you morons to post this fringe crap!?   

I state the law and there are a bunch of twinks who stand here and insult me, and post their rhetoric.
"

New Disinfo Tactic, now we are working for CIA, it is apparent that he is turning our language that we use to describe infiltrators of the prisonplanet forum into making us seem that we are nuts and we infiltrate our own forum. Yeah right, whatever, we work for the CIA and did you know we are also NAZIS!

Check this damning video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bdlFYrHoGs

[Livefreeordie]

Check this damning video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bdlFYrHoGs

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Now THAT was insanely hilarious!!!!     

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjy8mt9DKM&feature=related

[jofortruth]

 

Great video!

[John Bannon]

this might help to teach ppl the difference between a "motor vehicle" and a personal conveyance
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The Magnificent Deception
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[luckee1]

Quote from: Libertarian Perspective on Today at 05:13:04 PM
Check this damning video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bdlFYrHoGs

hilarious!!! 

[Weasel]

Check this damning video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bdlFYrHoGs

That same clip was used a year ago for a Ducati Monster message board and it killed. 

I missed Dawn's update today, did anyone catch if she got out of jail yet?

[Swmorgan77]

Before many of you woke up. I remember staying GLUED to what was going on with Ed & Elaine Brown.

Me too, we need to start standing with these people who are making their stands. 

[jofortruth]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/76413-swat-team-sheriff-raid-dawn-welsh-s-paid-off-home.html

This Sheriff Oliver "Glenn" Boyer is the same idiot who was invoking the "Truth Squads" against people who spoke out against Obama. What a complete traitor this guy is! I'm sure he's getting paid well for his treason. What a loser!

Audio Here Also:
http://endgamenow.com/tag/dawn-welch-in-hillsboro-missouri/

[Swmorgan77]

That same clip was used a year ago for a Ducati Monster message board and it killed. 

I missed Dawn's update today, did anyone catch if she got out of jail yet?

Yes she's out, she was on the Power Hour in the 3rd hour if you listen to the Podcast she tells about her experience in jail.  I don't think I've ever been more angry in my life. 

[jofortruth]

The Obama Truth Squad (Sheriff Boyer was involved in this also)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GIMhRGFfpI


Here's Boyer's website:
http://www.jcsd.org/

[Zed]

Yes she's out, she was on the Power Hour in the 3rd hour if you listen to the Podcast she tells about her experience in jail.  I don't think I've ever been more angry in my life. 

any clips of this specific segment online yet?

[DireWolf]

She has earned my respect I am not so sure I could remain so calm and non-combative, in my case a video where the wrestlers beat up on the new guy (me)  would be the most likely outcome to appear on U Tube.

[Kirk]

any clips of this specific segment online yet?

second this. I'd really like to hear it.

[grapecrusher1]

Dont have the time to read all this banter so if it has been mentioned then please ignore.  If it does turn out that she was in arrears with her mortgage and the automaton cops went in to evict her ---  that is your cherished capitalist system at work.  I find it so hilarious that virtually everyone here is up in "arms" and making ad hominem attacks against cpl for actually stating the obvious.  This is a typical example of quintessential capitalism at work and what you all espouse in this circumstance is socialist/communist. 
Do you not get the hypocrisy of your thoughts and spouted words??   I know it is too much to ask but how bout a little more critical thinking.

[Georgiacopguy]

I'm not sure where you live, but SWAT being called in to evict a woman who is in arrears is not the type of country I want to live in. It's far to heavy handed, and paramilitary forces being used to enforce a civil action is ludicrous. However, the possibility still remains that she may not have been in arrears. If thats the case, what if one of those trigger happy cops had fired off a round at her when she 'brandished her cell phone at him" or when her son came out of his room yelling at them. Accidents happen in tactical situations, judgment in a high stress situation is still human judgment, and is subject to error. They put her life at potential risk by using such heavy handed tactics.

This is NOT an example of capitalism at work. The bank foreclosing on her would be capitalism at work. The government getting involved and using heavy handed tactics, and use of force well beyond what she had indicated herself is a prime example of a fascist government oppressing its people, and terrorizing the masses. The use of force continuum was totally ignored by those pigs, and she should own their pensions for that shit.

Dont have the time to read all this banter so if it has been mentioned then please ignore.  If it does turn out that she was in arrears with her mortgage and the automaton cops went in to evict her ---  that is your cherished capitalist system at work.  I find it so hilarious that virtually everyone here is up in "arms" and making ad hominem attacks against cpl for actually stating the obvious.  This is a typical example of quintessential capitalism at work and what you all espouse in this circumstance is socialist/communist. 
Do you not get the hypocrisy of your thoughts and spouted words??   I know it is too much to ask but how bout a little more critical thinking.

[JonTheSavage]

This needs to be burned off on CD, and given to EVERYONE. Pass it out like candy.

MAKE IT HAPPEN!

[grapecrusher1]

Over the top and out of line cop action seems to be the norm instead of the exception these days, this is not where I disagree.  My problem is where this directive came from and what i gather is that it would have been initiated by Wachovia foreclosing on her (u mention government? am i missing something here?).  The thuggish cops following orders and using overwhelming force as per usual at the behest of corporate powers.  To clarify -- unbridled capitalism left unregulated can easily slip into a fascist environment and this is an excellent example.
Are you proposing that the government/cops decided to act on grandma on their own volition?  Who knows maybe things are far beyond the nightmare that I envision and the chief has moved in his pregnant daughter.  

This candy tastes horrible.

[Georgiacopguy]

What I'm suggesting is that the bank initiated the action, and the police sent SWAT rather than uniformed officers. The Police/ Sheriff's office could not act on their own, since they would need a court order or warrant to act. But regardless of how the police came to be involved, the fact they choose to activate SWAT, and use it for these means sickens me.

Over the top and out of line cop action seems to be the norm instead of the exception these days, this is not where I disagree.  My problem is where this directive came from and what i gather is that it would have been initiated by Wachovia foreclosing on her (u mention government? am i missing something here?).  The thuggish cops following orders and using overwhelming force as per usual at the behest of corporate powers.  To clarify -- unbridled capitalism left unregulated can easily slip into a fascist environment and this is an excellent example.
Are you proposing that the government/cops decided to act on grandma on their own volition?  Who knows maybe things are far beyond the nightmare that I envision and the chief has moved in his pregnant daughter.  

This candy tastes horrible.

[changedname]

Yes she's out, she was on the Power Hour in the 3rd hour if you listen to the Podcast she tells about her experience in jail.  I don't think I've ever been more angry in my life. 

Do you have a link for that segment?

[grapecrusher1]

What I'm suggesting is that the bank initiated the action, and the police sent SWAT rather than uniformed officers. The Police/ Sheriff's office could not act on their own, since they would need a court order or warrant to act. But regardless of how the police came to be involved, the fact they choose to activate SWAT, and use it for these means sickens me.

I was not aware that SWAT did not require court order.  So really the proper legal channels are being circumvented for the benefit of corporate interests.  Whether government is facilitating this situation or standing idle, it only exemplifies corporate clout within the existing power structure.  In my opinion your point bolsters my argument. 

[Zed]

Do you have a link for that segment?

+1

[Georgiacopguy]

I was not aware that SWAT did not require court order.  So really the proper legal channels are being circumvented for the benefit of corporate interests.  Whether government is facilitating this situation or standing idle, it only exemplifies corporate clout within the existing power structure.  In my opinion your point bolsters my argument. 

In this case, since it was a civil borderline criminal matter, SWAT would have needed a court order, either a dispossessory notice signed by a judge essentially evicting the lady, which I'm sure the bank would have obtained if she had been in fact in arrears. Or they could obtain a criminal warrant for her trespassing. So they would have needed a court order, excepting the following, since her ongoing presence in the house was an ongoing criminal act the officers could personally witness, they wouldn't have necessarily needed the warrant in order to apprehend. However the use of the SWAT team is still overkill. When I was a supervisor, had I been part of a service squad serving eviction notices, I would have called a few backup officers, kicked the door in, carted her off, and had the eviction people start removing her property. Calling a SWAT team would have made me look like a Female's <EXPLETIVE.> There are coward ass cops in this world, and whichever one authorized a SWAT team to take down that old lady, deserves to be outed as the fascist Puss-boi he is.

[jofortruth]

Audio is here:
http://www.thepowerhour.com/schedule.htm
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news4/dawn_files.htm

[Silveryminnow]

He is a jackboots apologist, I really do not know what he is even doing on this website. It doesn't matter that to him it seems reasonable that the police demand and ask questios when it is unneccessary and frankly no, even in the Uk you don't need to tell police shit when they stop you for a traffic stop. Police have stopped me because they have a quarrel with me, I am in no mood to incriminate myself and unless thye suspect me in a crime I as they say in their won words HAVE A RIGHT TO BE SILENT so I choose to exercise that right.

I face the fact we are in a facist/authoritarian nation, and have decided to emulate the Former French Underground when they were occupied by the NAZI army. Im a good citizen in every appearance. 

[luckee1]

Dont have the time to read all this banter so if it has been mentioned then please ignore.  If it does turn out that she was in arrears with her mortgage and the automaton cops went in to evict her ---  that is your cherished capitalist system at work.  I find it so hilarious that virtually everyone here is up in "arms" and making ad hominem attacks against cpl for actually stating the obvious.  This is a typical example of quintessential capitalism at work and what you all espouse in this circumstance is socialist/communist. 
Do you not get the hypocrisy of your thoughts and spouted words??   I know it is too much to ask but how bout a little more critical thinking.

Here is some critical thinking for you.  Any time you buy a house or property, you must also have title insurance.  That protects one from having covenants and assessments against the owner.  This woman had the judgement and paperwork showing her ownership.  The bank that thought it owned the property, bought the property and should have had this title insurance, protecting themselves from easements etc.  The lady owned the property per the paperwork she had evidently a judge had ordered the property hers. 

All others please note that our dear Corporal of the USMC has come in left a stink bomb and left leaving us to discuss the points and detritus.  Why are we being distracted?  Was this designed to distract us?  Further please note we have alot of newbies we need to welcome.  I have also noticed that the Mods are not as present as usual.  Just a few thoughts there guys.

[grapecrusher1]

Here is some critical thinking for you.  Any time you buy a house or property, you must also have title insurance.  That protects one from having covenants and assessments against the owner.  This woman had the judgement and paperwork showing her ownership.  The bank that thought it owned the property, bought the property and should have had this title insurance, protecting themselves from easements etc.  The lady owned the property per the paperwork she had evidently a judge had ordered the property hers. 

Another good point on how justice has been derailed and corporate power has run amok.  You have asserted that she has had this judgement in her favour but it appears that 2 significant stopgaps have been stifled, are we getting the entire story here?  Has there been any updates?

[luckee1]

more info

http://johnofallfaith.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-info-on-wachovia-mortgage-stealing.html


Wednesday, May 13, 2009
More Info on Wachovia Mortgage Stealing Dawn Welsh's House

More Info on Wachovia Mortgage
Stealing Dawn Welsh's House

I posted on this as it was happening yesterday http://johnofallfaith.multiply.com/journal/item/1601).

Here's more infomration.

Unfortunately this case is not unusal except that it happened on live national radio. The Elite are robbing us blind and few seem to care.

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Dawn Welsh of Hillsboro, MO Arrested for Trespassing in Her Own Home After Supposed Mortgage Scam


Dawn Welsh thought her house was paid off. She received paperwork from her bank showing it was paid off, but through a series of her mortgage being bought and sold, Wachovia Bank was the final owner of the mortgage and claimed Welsh was still owed on her home despite papers showing otherwise.

Today [yesturday], Hillsboro, Missouri police came onto her property and broke her door down to remove her from her property near St. Louis. They used a battering ram to enter her home, despite her showing evidence in the past that she owned the property. She had gone to court previously and showed a judge the mortgage was paid in full, and it is a record of the court. However, these are desperate times for Wachovia who continued to threaten the 54-year-old woman.

These paperwork problems aren't uncommon. In fact many people wind up in court after they are told they owe more money on their homes after a series of mortgages being pushed back and forth through the mortgage process.

Wachovia Mortgage took over the mortgage and said they weren't going to honor the paperwork from the previous mortgage and continued to harass this woman. So we have a woman with the proper papers showing her house is paid off with the police and the courts ignoring the paperwork according to the story.

It seems so fitting that the banks have become so desperate to make up their losses that they are bullying themselves over hard-working people in scams to collect even more from the mortgages. They have received hundreds of billions from the taxpayers, and yet they pushed this lady into the corner.

Property rights are definitely in question in the United States and with the government's interest in the banks, we might see more of this as the government looks for sources of income to fix broken programs that are running out of money. Will they go as far as confiscating property through the banks? That's the real question that comes from today's story.

Obama ran on the promise that he would help people like Welsh, but this may be the reality now the government is running the banks.


NOTE: This observation is only correct from a certain perspective. Obama is not actually nationalizing the banks, the banks are privatizing the governments. The U.S. is no longer a nation of, by and for the people, it is now a corporation, no longer "the United States of America" but "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INC." His point is still correct of course.
This wasn't supposed to happen under Obama's promise of hope and change. Is confiscation of private property going to further spread across our country. We know the government has used eminent domain laws to confiscate property which they can make more taxes from by putting a business where a person's home was. Now with the power of the banks, they may be able to take it many steps further.