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« on: May 07, 2009, 06:53:43 AM »

There's No Ammo on the Shelves -- Is It the Gun Nuts' Fear of Obama-lypse?

A trip to the L.A. exurb and desert city of Victorville tells you all you need to know about why it's so hard to buy ammunition these days.




By Yasha Levine, AlterNet
Posted on May 7, 2009, Printed on May 7, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/139872/

VICTORVILLE, Calif. -- Ever since it became clear that Barack Obama would be our next president, there's been an unprecedented run on guns 'n ammo in America. Partly this is fueled by fears, some justified some not, that Obama will outlaw a broad range of assault weapons; partly it's fueled by socioeconomic factors, racism and right-wing hate.

Nowhere is this phenomenon more evident than in Victorville, a desert exurb of Los Angeles that boomed faster with the subprime craze than just about any city in the country and fell harder when it all collapsed. Today, guns and ammo are in short supply here in Victorville. But there is an abundance of despair and paranoia.

There are a lot of guns around these parts, too. The barren desert surroundings are perfect setting for gun enthusiasts of all stripes, and it feels like most everyone here owns a weapon or two. And why not? You can drive 15 minutes beyond city limits, turn off onto a backroad and start unloading to heart's content. That is, if you are able to get your hands on some ammunition.

In Victorville, every single gun store is out of all types of ammo, all the time.

"I went through 11,000 of 9mm rounds in two days. That's an awful lot for a little shop like this. I would never ever stock that much," an owner of a  gun shop tucked away in a corner of a strip mall told me. "All the people that make ammunition are making more than they have in any other year, but they are still running out."

Excessive target practice did not even come close to explaining the insatiable demand for ammo. Even the local Wal-Mart, the pioneer in demand-driven distribution, can't keep up, selling out of as soon as soon a new shipment comes in.

Rumor on the street has it that Wal-Mart has sold more ammo year-to-date than any other year in its history. And while Wal-Mart's media relations department would not confirm or deny that information, citing proprietary concerns, all one has to do is visit their two stores in the area.

Aside from a couple of boxes of buckshot, shelves in the guns-and-ammo department stand perpetually empty -- a weird sight in a store otherwise overflowing with goods. According to a salesperson at their Victorville location, ammo that arrives overnight will be picked clean long before lunch hour rolls around. The only sure way to buy is to call as soon as the store opens at 9 a.m. and put what you want on hold. That is, if a shipment comes in that day at all.

Charles Drew, owner of a gun store in Victorville, told the press that even people that don't own guns are hoarding ammunition "just in case." It is a trend recorded nationwide.

The Outdoor Wire, a news service for the outdoor industry, has named Obama its "Gun Salesman of the Year." Mandatory FBI background checks for firearms sales have jumped by 50 percent in recent months, while ammunition manufacturers have seen record sales. Olin Corp., maker of Winchester ammunition, upped its first-quarter sales this year from $110 million to $133 million, giving it a much-appreciated 20 percent boost in profits.

Ammunition has been so scarce lately that some police departments have been forced to scale back on target practice, fearing that they won't have any bullets left for real police work.

And the thing to remember is that bullets aren't cheap. A box of 25 9mm rounds sells for about $25. More specialized ammo easily sells for $2 a bullet or more. But in these difficult times, cost does not appear to be an issue, even in the flat-broke city of Victorville.

Victorville is set on a flat stretch of the Mojave Desert among Joshua trees and tumbleweeds 200 miles east of Los Angeles. Fertilized by land speculation and the riskiest of loans, blocks and blocks of beefy McMansions started sprouting here in the last decade, baiting low-income families with the glorious dream of homeownership.

Priced just right, Victorville was a testament to the accessibility of the American Dream for all, regardless of wealth. And in 2007, it became America's second-fastest growing exurb, doubling its population to just over 100,000 in six short years.

There was no local industry to support such growth, and despite the two-hour average commute, each way, people flocked here from all over Southern California, eventually making Victorville more ethnically diverse than Los Angeles.

But the egalitarian dream didn't last. Prices have now dropped to pre-2000 levels. Whole neighborhoods of beefy homes, some of them half-built, now stand abandoned, eerily blending in with the barren desert landscape.

The unemployment rate in Victorville doubled in the past year, spiking way above the national average to between 12.5 and 18.5 percent (the national and state averages are 8.5 and 11.2 percent, respectively).

Violent crime is on the rise, too. Victorville saw a 7 percent jump in 2008, while some surrounding areas clocked as much as 13 percent more homicides, rapes, robberies, assaults and motor vehicle theft.

There are two sides to Victorville, the old and the new. Before its stint as a dirt-cheap suburban paradise, Victorville was a tiny God-fearing community populated by white conservatives living an isolated frontier lifestyle with heavy military overtones.

One of the local World War II-era bases had shut down more than a decade ago, but a Marine Corps base remains operational and is still one of the biggest employers in the area. Until the housing boom flooded the area with urban homeowners, 1 out of every 6 adults here was a veteran.

The influx of new -- and mainly nonwhite -- homeowners has been a cause of racial tensions here for more than a decade.

"The chemistry out here is perfect for more and more racism," said Tom Metzger, the infamous leader of the white supremacist hate group White Aryan Resistance who lives in Southern California, about the Inland Empire back in 2005. "You've got all these nonwhites moving here from Orange County and Los Angeles trying to flee the crime perpetrated on them by their own kind in their ghettos, and when they come out here, they're basically shoving forced integration down the throats of the whites who have traditional claim to this area, and that is provoking a negative racist reaction among whites, as it damn well should. It's great!"

What has been simmering conflict may soon be bubbling over the edge. There is almost a sense of inevitability of a spike in hate crimes.

"In the past month, there was only one reported hate crime. But you have to wonder how many go unreported. I think a lot, " a local crime beat reporter told me. "Just go to our comments section and read what people are saying. There is definitely a perfect storm building."

In October 2008, two teenagers belonging to a local hate group shot a black man in a liquor store parking lot. Schools have been dealing with an uptick in race-based conflicts and shooting threats. Earlier this month, one of the cars of a Jewish family was trashed inside and out, its engine destroyed and swastikas painted on its doors and hood.

As I'm writing this, news is coming out that police arrested a group of six local skinheads from Hammerskin Nation for attempted murder, witness intimidation, conspiracy to commit murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Hammerskin Nation has been stepping up recruitment lately, as has every other known extremist group across the nation.

On April 15, about 200 people, mostly white, showed up at Victorville's Tea Party. Some were not hesitant to vow that they'll take violent action if "Osama's" socialist policies continued unabated.

To the protestors, the economic crisis had exposed what their government had become: a big, meddling bureaucracy that had little regard for personal liberty. Socialism was a'coming to the USA, and it was hell-bent on exploiting honest, hardworking people like themselves -- whether its being forced to bail out delinquent homeowners or having your jobs given to illegal immigrants.

While President Obama was talking about raising taxes, redistributing wealth and carelessly spending hundreds of billions of dollars on his banker buddies, their boys were coming back home from Afghanistan and Iraq thankless and jobless. Much of their anger was aimed at new residents: Hispanics, Asians and blacks.

Nowhere is this animosity more visible than on the local Internet forums. Here are just two of dozens of similar comments posted by readers on an article about Victorville's spike in crime rates by the Daily Press, a local daily:

married wrote:

Sheriff's can't pinpoint why there's an increase in crime? Geez even an idiot can tell you what the problem is – low-income housing, Juan and Shanana moving up here to get little Julio and Tyron away from the gangs, but not realizing they are the gang, and welfare money running out in the middle of the month. I can't wait to hear the remarks I'm gonna get on this comment. 5/2/2009 7:59:03 PM

sandynator wrote:

No surprise here, what do you expect with all the social engineering we had via Barney Frank and the dems, too many gangbangers got loans and moved on up to the high desert. Now we the citizen pay the price while the fat cats like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi and BO laugh themselves silly. 5/2/2009 9:59:36 PM

The day day after the nationwide Tea Party protests, channeling the spirit of Timothy McVeigh, the Department of Homeland Security released a perfectly timed report warning law enforcement agencies that America's shifting political landscape, the economic downturn and influx of returning vets all combined for a perfect storm likely to cause a swell in right-wing extremist organization activity.

The report cited evidence that extremist groups are stockpiling weapons and ammo in preparation for ... something.

Republicans went on a partisan offensive slammed the report as an affront against our troops, but even a cursory look at Victorville shows how close to the bone the report really gets.



© 2009 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/139872/
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 07:10:13 AM »

Has anyone considered that it is not just the runs on ammo that is causing the shortage?  Why haven't the manufacturers stepped up to meet the demand?  A good friend and permit holder mentioned recently that he thought that the shelves should be filling up pretty soon as the manus step up to meet the demand.  We're not seeing that yet.  Has anyone witnessed this type of shortage before?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 07:31:55 AM »

The Wal*Marts in Northern California are OUT of .45, 9mm and .40 and it doesn't look like they'll have any soon!  The gun stores are out of ammo too.  They are selling handguns and telling the customers that they wished they had ammo to sell them with the guns!  I've witnessed it. 

I'm afraid that the ammo supply has been cut off by the government in secret.  I hope not!
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 07:44:34 AM »

Guess when the subjugation/oppressor govt. forces come to disarm the citizendry, all the weapons pointed at them will indicate a substatial drop in the opinion polls for the single party tyranny.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 07:44:47 AM »

Has anyone considered that it is not just the runs on ammo that is causing the shortage?

I can guarantee you that supply is being deliberately reduced. I was told about this months ago from a special contact.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 07:51:54 AM »

I'm afraid that the ammo supply has been cut off by the government in secret.

If the shelves are still emtpy a week from now, then I'll regard that as a likely reason.

Who are the top three ammunition manufacturers? Has Gun Owners of America or someone else in the gun rights community contacted them about this and gotten a response?
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 10:21:36 AM »

this is the most racist thing ive ever read
i smell some adl and southern poverty law center shit here
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 10:29:42 AM »

If the shelves are still emtpy a week from now, then I'll regard that as a likely reason.

Who are the top three ammunition manufacturers? Has Gun Owners of America or someone else in the gun rights community contacted them about this and gotten a response?

I would say the top three would be Remington, Winchester and Federal.

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 10:33:24 AM »

I would say the top three would be Remington, Winchester and Federal.



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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 10:43:11 AM »

One of the reasons ammo is in short supply is new shooters that bought guns right after the election. They did not realize that when they started to go target shooting that it would be fun and that they would need to included ammo on their list of dissposeable income. 200-500-1000 rounds won't last you to long for 1,2,3 trips to the range. They just picked up another habbit like smoking.

For some reason 40 cal is way easier to find than the other cals. probably becase the round is only 20 years old.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 12:56:37 PM »

Alliant cutting back up to 80 in Anoka

Layoffs will hit at least 70 Federal Cartridge workers because of a slackening in demand for ammunition.

By DEE DePASS, Star Tribune



For the second time in eight weeks, Alliant Techsystems is laying off workers at its Federal Cartridge ammunition plant in Anoka because of the end of an orders backlog, officials announced Thursday.

About 70 to 80 workers will be affected. In November, 40 to 50 workers were let go. Federal Cartridge will have about 900 workers after the job cuts.

The cutbacks are somewhat of a blow to Alliant Techsystems, which has prided itself on steady employment and sales growth. Federal Cartridge makes police and hunting ammunition sold through Wal-Mart, sporting goods stores and to dozens of police departments around the country.

The company hired 150 workers in Anoka about a year ago to clear a backlog of orders for pistol and small rifle ammunition. Alliant Techsystems spokeswoman Amanda Covington said the company has cleared the backlog, and with hunting seasons ending, Alliant is facing reduced demand.

Eden Prairie-based Alliant Techsystems has about 17,000 employees and $4.5 billion in annual sales.

The company has transformed itself from a small defense subcontractor when it was spun off from Honeywell in 1990 into a major defense, ammunition and aerospace contractor. It now builds missiles, precision-guided weaponry, satellite parts, sensors, rocket boosters, commercial aircraft parts and training ammunition for the U.S. Army.

Sales in Alliant's armament division jumped 25 percent to $864 million for the first six months of its 2009 fiscal year. Covington said ammunition sales are still growing, particularly orders from police. She declined to provide details.

Federal Cartridge is the latest Minnesota company to announce layoffs in the midst of a difficult economy. It joins 3M Co., Imation, Graco, Tennant, Pentair, Hutchinson Technology, Andersen Corp. and Deluxe Corp., which together have cut more than 8,160 jobs in recent months

Just don't sound right.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 12:59:42 PM »

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Layoffs will hit at least 70 Federal Cartridge workers because of a slackening in demand for ammunition.

They should lay off their sales staff! With people nation wide begging for ammo, and Wal-Mart and other places that sell ammo having empty shelves, then they say there is a slackening in demand?

Who is the crazy ones here? Maybe they should just set up on the street corners and see if they can keep up with the demand!!
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2009, 12:44:19 AM »

Federal is owned by a subsidiary of the Rothschilds.... They are blatantly trying to keep ammo from the people so that we may not defend ourselves from our enemies both foreign and domestic.

I just got 3,500 round of Federal in the mail.

What's your guy's problems? I have enough ammunition to feed a Vulcan! Way more than 3,500 rounds but I won't say how much I really have... I lost count when I hit 10k.

Federal shoots like dogshit though, only buy it if there is nothing else, or you just want plinker ammo that you can reload the brass.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 12:54:16 AM »

If you have any friends / family who are police officers in a relatively large city, they can get target ammo for about 1/2 price at the local police academy.  It is limited to the ammo that police use though.

I'm getting 50 count boxes of .40 S&W for about $10 each.  As much as I want. Grin
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 05:21:02 AM »

If the shelves are still emtpy a week from now, then I'll regard that as a likely reason.

Who are the top three ammunition manufacturers? Has Gun Owners of America or someone else in the gun rights community contacted them about this and gotten a response?

the shelves at the local rural king have been empty of pistol/rifle ammo for almost 3 weeks  unless you need shotgun ammo.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 02:45:08 PM »

Just go to Reno, they have piles of ammo...

Reason?

They are charging 30$ for a box of 20 of crappy .223
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2009, 08:53:58 AM »

Save your brass and reload.
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2009, 06:29:27 PM »

All ammo here (Popular Calibers mostly) is being bought up and sold off the back of a trailer in a dirt lot (cash only FYI) at 4x or more of the Retail Price at the moment.

thing that surprises me is idiots are buying it at the overly inflated prices.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2009, 02:25:47 PM »

We had ammo shortages and/or primer shortages at the shop in circa 1992 (GW I), 1995 (AWB I), 2002 (GWII) and present (AWB II?).  The shortages always show up AFTER the demand, hence the lag.

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2009, 06:30:46 PM »

A dealer told me its not a conspiracy.  Huh All the manufactures are cranking out full bore for the UN.  Roll Eyes Its just a resupply cycle, and if it happens to weaken an enemy all the better.  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2009, 06:40:21 PM »

seems to me that we are doing it to ourselves.  The more we demand and buy ammo,not that it is a bad thing, the more it is going to cost and the less there is going to be.  Everyone in the country is stocking up on ammo, we have only ourselves to blame. 
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2009, 07:14:36 PM »

Key words here are "all ammo" and its not just federal, and it has been going on around here for over 3 months now and getting worse. My spidie senses are tingling batman. Dose the UN count as military?
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