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« on: May 01, 2009, 01:15:32 PM »

They gotta be kidding. Dr Timothy O'Leary... cmon. Hey why not mix a little morphine in for a kickass speedball?   Shocked

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Government-injecting-veterans-with-cocaine-for-drug-addiction-research-44007367.html

By: Bill Myers
Examiner Staff Writer
04/29/09 9:05 PM

Drug-addicted veterans are being injected with cocaine by researchers at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs in taxpayer-funded studies, The Examiner has learned.

The study subjects are being given the injections as part of a search for medicines that researchers hope will block cocaine absorption in the body, said Timothy O’Leary, the VA’s acting director of research and development.

All the subjects were recruited because they were addicted to cocaine, O’Leary said. About 40 volunteers — most of them veterans — are being given injections at VA labs in Kansas City and San Antonio, he added.

Hundreds of veterans have apparently been used as human subjects in the past decade, according to records and interviews with officials.

The VA has handed over several other abstracts from studies over the past decade, and O’Leary said his agency has been conducting such research for at least 25 years.

O’Leary said that the subjects’ safety was paramount. But documents of a decade-old study that tested morphine on veterans found nearly 800 “adverse events” from anorexia to heart tremors.

Last month, The Examiner reported that the federal government had spent millions of taxpayer dollars to give addicts drugs such as crack and intravenous cocaine as well as morphine and other opiates in publicly funded clinical studies. The VA documents and interviews suggest that the programs have been even more widespread than previously suspected.

According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, more than 6,000 licenses have been given to scientists to use otherwise illegal drugs in their experiments. DEA officials declined to hand over their records.

O’Leary said the studies were desperately needed to find ways to treat addiction. An estimated 140,000 vets suffer from drug addiction, according to VA officials.

“As you know, there are a lot of people out there who suffer from addictions. It’s a huge societal problem,” O’Leary said in a phone interview.

Critics say that experimenting on addicts runs contrary to ethical guidelines on “informed consent.” The doctrine requires that human laboratory subjects understand the risks of the experiment and can say no. For at least 20 years, scientists have recognized that addiction is a disease, which means that addicts can’t simply say no.

Pressure is mounting on the government to come clean about its drug experiments.

“How many ways can the government get it wrong?” Cato Institute scholar Tim Lynch asked The Examiner.

Compared with the CIA’s former habit of testing dangerous drugs on unwilling volunteers, these programs are “an improvement if the research deals with volunteers and full disclosure of the risks involved,” Lynch said. “But it is not clear to me why the government has to subsidize such research.”

U.S. Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., said through a spokesman that he was “closely reviewing” the matter.

O’Leary said that the cocaine injections in San Antonio and Kansas City were being given in “extremely controlled conditions,” but when asked to detail what he meant by that phrase, he said he wasn’t familiar with those labs.

VA officials have not acted on a Freedom of Information Act request for access to their files.

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 07:49:18 PM »

If there is anyone left who still believes the government cares about the men and women who serve in the military, this article should be emailed or, better yet - print the damn thing and give it to them. They are government-owned guinea pigs, and they are dispensable. Only people like George fricking Tenant get the medal of freedom. The soldiers get a kick in the ass.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 08:36:30 PM »

The Government does not care about the interests of the average American citizen, let alone war veteran who served for the U.S. They care about the bottom line, the top dollar, and the end game.

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 12:09:48 PM »

If there is anyone left who still believes the government cares about the men and women who serve in the military, this article should be emailed or, better yet - print the damn thing and give it to them. They are government-owned guinea pigs, and they are dispensable. Only people like George fricking Tenant get the medal of freedom. The soldiers get a kick in the ass.

No, not this article. As quoted, "The study subjects are being given the injections as part of a search for medicines that researchers hope will block cocaine absorption in the body, said Timothy O’Leary, the VA’s acting director of research and development."

Look for the articles of the US government conducting secret "experimental" tests on the public, radiating children to death to "study the effects of radiation" (yea..I'll bet), giving soldiers' pregnant wives radiation pills telling them they're "vitamins" (sickening and offensively hilarious).

And oh, on the first Gulf war, the number of US casualties because of the use and exposure of DEPLETED URANIUM, without proper protection.

THESE are things that should be passed on.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2009, 12:17:26 PM »

Dr. Timothy O'Leary?  In an article about drugs?

Sounds fake.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 12:32:11 PM »



We the people are expendable, troopers, civilians, men, woman, chidren, infants.*NUMBERS* They could give a twit, they are not expendable-those on high are above us.

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We the people are expendable, troopers, civilians, men, woman, chidren, infants.*NUMBERS* They could give a twit, they are not expendable-those on high are above us.

The law does not apply to the masters.

I agree chris. There is just one other thing that I wanted to mention or ask. Were they given any experimental drugs or medication which they wish to develop? If not, then why else would they possibly inject the already cocaine addicts with more cocaine. Perhaps, there is a limit to how much the body can absorb before it spits out the accessory. But even then, how would that help in getting the drug they intend to develop.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2009, 01:53:58 PM »

Dr. Timothy O' Leary

VA Announces Funding Of 10 Research Enhancement Award Programs

http://www.usmedicine.com/column.cfm?columnID=209&issueID=75

The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Office of Research and Development (ORD) recently announced funding for 10 new Research Enhancement Award Programs (REAP) at eight VA Medical Centers (VAMCs). Each REAP award provides up to $1.25 million in funding over five years for groups of VA investigators from a variety of disciplines to study medical issues of concern to veterans. Important goals of the program are to train new investigators and to promote innovative research that integrates basic laboratory research with clinical science.

Here are brief descriptions of the new REAPs:

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)-Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) resulting from injury or life-threatening experiences during military service is a major cause of disability in veterans. Current studies estimate that some 20 per cent of returning Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom veterans will be diagnosed with PTSD. Dr. Murray Raskind, at the VA Puget Sound Health Care System, will lead a REAP addressing PTSD and secondary drug abuse. The goals of this research are to develop better treatments for PTSD using animal models of PTSD to identify important circuits and chemicals in the brain; evaluate World War II veterans to identify changes that occur in the brains of patients experiencing PTSD over a long period of time; and review the symptoms and characteristics of patients with PTSD who also abuse drugs.

Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD)-A REAP at Puget Sound, headed by Sum Lee, MD, PhD, will investigate the causes of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), now the most common cause of liver cirrhosis after hepatitis and alcohol abuse. The group will investigate the relationship among insulin resistance, diabetes, obesity and chronic liver disease, as well as between NAFLD and metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is the co-occurrence of obesity, diabetes or pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high levels of fats in the blood. Given the high and rising prevalence of diabetes and metabolic syndrome among veteran patients, research into NAFLD is very relevant.

Prostate Cancer-More than 230,000 new cases of prostate cancer are diagnosed annually and more than 30,000 men will die from the disease in the United States in 2005. Prostate cancer may not cause symptoms for many years and may have spread beyond the prostate by the time it is diagnosed, limiting treatment options. Under the direction of Rajvir Dahiya, PhD, investigators at the San Francisco VAMC will develop strategies for early detection of prostate cancer, such as through biomarkers, and will evaluate treatment strategies. The researchers will attempt to identify mutations in certain genes that can be used for early detection and for predicting response to therapy. They also plan to identify genes that become active and lead to prostate cancer when the diet is high in fat, and explore ways to selectively deliver genes lethal to cancer cells but not normal cells. The researchers also plan to evaluate stress-induced proteins as markers of aggressive prostate cancer. A final part of the proposed research entails investigation of ethnic and cultural variations in a broad range of factors, including social stress, features of the cancer at diagnosis, patients' treatment choices and outcomes.

Hepatitis C-Infection with hepatitis C virus (HCV) is present in about 7 per cent of veteran patients. Currently available treatments are effective in only about half these patients and commonly produce adverse side effects, including anemia, depression and neuropathy. Dr. Teresa Wright will lead an investigation of HCV infection at the San Francisco VAMC to better understand and predict the occurrence of complications such as arthritis, kidney disease, diabetes and liver damage among patients with HCV infection. The REAP will also investigate how the treatment with interferon causes nerve damage; test the effectiveness of Remicade (often used for rheumatoid arthritis) in treating HCV liver disease; and work to develop an animal model for testing HCV vaccines.

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)-Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) is the fourth leading cause of death in the United States and one of the most frequent causes of hospital admissions in the VA system. Dr. Jeffrey Curtis will head a research team at the Ann Arbor VAMC to study how tobacco smoke exposure leads to repeated lower respiratory tract infections and decreased lung function. The group will use a mouse model to study how the interaction of tobacco smoke with immune responses contributes to chronic lung diseases and lower respiratory tract infections caused by the bacteria Haemophilus influenzae.

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS - Lou Gehrig's disease)-Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) is a devastating disorder in which the nerve cells that control voluntary movement are gradually destroyed, leading to total paralysis. ALS affects between 20,000 and 30,000 Americans at any given time, with an annual incidence of approximately 5,000 new cases. About 50 per cent of patients die within three years of onset. In two studies, the risk of ALS has been reported to be approximately 50 per cent higher among individuals deployed to the Persian Gulf between 1990 and 1991. Paul Fishman, MD, PhD, will lead a REAP at the Baltimore VAMC to develop therapies for ALS and other neurodegenerative diseases. They plan to create methods to rapidly screen potential new drug therapies and investigate the use of adult stem cells to replace lost nerve cells. The team will also study genetically modified stem cells as a vehicle for delivering novel therapies-for example, growth factors-and work to develop new imaging techniques to monitor the survival and functioning of injected stem cells.


Type 2 diabetes-More than 5 per cent of the U.S. population, including about 20 per cent of those treated by VA, have type 2 diabetes, formerly called Adult-Onset Diabetes. Led by Dr. Steven Elbein, at the Little Rock VAMC, researchers will identify genes involved in fat metabolism; examine derangements of fat metabolism in patients with metabolic syndrome and pre-diabetes; and identify the processes that predispose to insulin resistance and diabetes. Other goals are to determine if there is an increased amount of fat in the cardiac muscle of people with diabetes or metabolic syndrome and to examine the benefits of drugs that enhance insulin sensitivity.

Kidney Disease-According to a study of VA health care users during fiscal year 1999, approximately 58,000 patients were being treated for renal failure; the cost per person per year was $22,656; and 17.9 per cent of those patients died within that year. Principal investigator Dr. John Raymond and his team at the Charleston, S.C., VAMC will attempt to identify urinary proteins that predict the development of kidney disease and will look for treatment approaches to acute and chronic kidney disease. The group will also seek to understand how various risk factors affect kidney function and study drugs that might slow the progress of kidney disease.

Multiple Sclerosis (MS)-Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a chronic demyelinating disease that affects approximately 400,000 Americans. More than 25,000 veterans received care for MS between 2000 and 2003 in the VA system. Arthur Vandenbark, PhD, from the Portland VAMC will direct a REAP aimed at studying whether adult stem cells that have been modified to produce growth factors can protect nerve fibers. Disease progression will be monitored by a new MRI technique. The researchers will also study ways in which alpha-lipoic acid, an antioxidant highly effective in treating animal models of MS, can prevent or lessen damage to nerve fibers; examine testosterone therapy as a treatment for MS; and investigate the role that specific immune cells may play in the protection and repair of nerve fibers.

Depression-Depression affects almost 10 per cent of VA patients, including those with bipolar disorder. Dr. Joel Gelernter will lead REAP investigators at the VAMC in West Haven, Conn., to study this problem. The team will use state-of-the-art imaging tools to identify differences in brain structures between patients with depression and healthy controls and between twins with and without depression. The research may also identify changes in genes that occur with depression. The investigators will also seek to learn more about how antidepressants work.

REAPs represent an opportunity to develop synergy between basic and clinical investigators working to expand the understanding of an important health problem among veterans and to ultimately improve diagnosis and treatment. We hope this close collaboration will produce more rapid scientific progress and speed discoveries that will improve outcomes for veteran patients.

More information about REAP awards may be found at the VA's Office of Research and Development Web site: www.va.gov/resdev.

Timothy O'Leary, MD, PhD, was named director of VA's Biomedical Laboratory Research and Development Service (BLR&D) in March 2004.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 02:00:09 PM »

BTW, you can get th from the original document on the "safety stufy" from the article linked at the top.

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 02:25:16 PM »

Cocaine is one of the most pointless drugs.  Yes, tried it and having my heart race at 120 bpm really isn't all that pleasurable.  One more thing, I look at drugs ritually.  Like what can it do for me?  Make me think clearer, deeper, make me more motivated, creative, etc, etc, etc......

Cocaine doesn't do any of that shit...well at least for me.
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Dr. Timothy O' Leary

VA Announces Funding Of 10 Research Enhancement Award Programs

http://www.usmedicine.com/column.cfm?columnID=209&issueID=75

The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Office of Research and Development (ORD) recently announced funding for 10 new Research Enhancement Award Programs (REAP) at eight VA Medical Centers (VAMCs). Each REAP award provides up to $1.25 million in funding over five years for groups of VA investigators from a variety of disciplines to study medical issues of concern to veterans. Important goals of the program are to train new investigators and to promote innovative research that integrates basic laboratory research with clinical science.

Here are brief descriptions of the new REAPs:

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)-Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) resulting from injury or life-threatening experiences during military service is a major cause of disability in veterans. Current studies estimate that some 20 per cent of returning Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom veterans will be diagnosed with PTSD. Dr. Murray Raskind, at the VA Puget Sound Health Care System, will lead a REAP addressing PTSD and secondary drug abuse. The goals of this research are to develop better treatments for PTSD using animal models of PTSD to identify important circuits and chemicals in the brain; evaluate World War II veterans to identify changes that occur in the brains of patients experiencing PTSD over a long period of time; and review the symptoms and characteristics of patients with PTSD who also abuse drugs.

Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD)-A REAP at Puget Sound, headed by Sum Lee, MD, PhD, will investigate the causes of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), now the most common cause of liver cirrhosis after hepatitis and alcohol abuse. The group will investigate the relationship among insulin resistance, diabetes, obesity and chronic liver disease, as well as between NAFLD and metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is the co-occurrence of obesity, diabetes or pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high levels of fats in the blood. Given the high and rising prevalence of diabetes and metabolic syndrome among veteran patients, research into NAFLD is very relevant.

Prostate Cancer-More than 230,000 new cases of prostate cancer are diagnosed annually and more than 30,000 men will die from the disease in the United States in 2005. Prostate cancer may not cause symptoms for many years and may have spread beyond the prostate by the time it is diagnosed, limiting treatment options. Under the direction of Rajvir Dahiya, PhD, investigators at the San Francisco VAMC will develop strategies for early detection of prostate cancer, such as through biomarkers, and will evaluate treatment strategies. The researchers will attempt to identify mutations in certain genes that can be used for early detection and for predicting response to therapy. They also plan to identify genes that become active and lead to prostate cancer when the diet is high in fat, and explore ways to selectively deliver genes lethal to cancer cells but not normal cells. The researchers also plan to evaluate stress-induced proteins as markers of aggressive prostate cancer. A final part of the proposed research entails investigation of ethnic and cultural variations in a broad range of factors, including social stress, features of the cancer at diagnosis, patients' treatment choices and outcomes.

Hepatitis C-Infection with hepatitis C virus (HCV) is present in about 7 per cent of veteran patients. Currently available treatments are effective in only about half these patients and commonly produce adverse side effects, including anemia, depression and neuropathy. Dr. Teresa Wright will lead an investigation of HCV infection at the San Francisco VAMC to better understand and predict the occurrence of complications such as arthritis, kidney disease, diabetes and liver damage among patients with HCV infection. The REAP will also investigate how the treatment with interferon causes nerve damage; test the effectiveness of Remicade (often used for rheumatoid arthritis) in treating HCV liver disease; and work to develop an animal model for testing HCV vaccines.

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)-Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) is the fourth leading cause of death in the United States and one of the most frequent causes of hospital admissions in the VA system. Dr. Jeffrey Curtis will head a research team at the Ann Arbor VAMC to study how tobacco smoke exposure leads to repeated lower respiratory tract infections and decreased lung function. The group will use a mouse model to study how the interaction of tobacco smoke with immune responses contributes to chronic lung diseases and lower respiratory tract infections caused by the bacteria Haemophilus influenzae.

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS - Lou Gehrig's disease)-Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) is a devastating disorder in which the nerve cells that control voluntary movement are gradually destroyed, leading to total paralysis. ALS affects between 20,000 and 30,000 Americans at any given time, with an annual incidence of approximately 5,000 new cases. About 50 per cent of patients die within three years of onset. In two studies, the risk of ALS has been reported to be approximately 50 per cent higher among individuals deployed to the Persian Gulf between 1990 and 1991. Paul Fishman, MD, PhD, will lead a REAP at the Baltimore VAMC to develop therapies for ALS and other neurodegenerative diseases. They plan to create methods to rapidly screen potential new drug therapies and investigate the use of adult stem cells to replace lost nerve cells. The team will also study genetically modified stem cells as a vehicle for delivering novel therapies-for example, growth factors-and work to develop new imaging techniques to monitor the survival and functioning of injected stem cells.


Type 2 diabetes-More than 5 per cent of the U.S. population, including about 20 per cent of those treated by VA, have type 2 diabetes, formerly called Adult-Onset Diabetes. Led by Dr. Steven Elbein, at the Little Rock VAMC, researchers will identify genes involved in fat metabolism; examine derangements of fat metabolism in patients with metabolic syndrome and pre-diabetes; and identify the processes that predispose to insulin resistance and diabetes. Other goals are to determine if there is an increased amount of fat in the cardiac muscle of people with diabetes or metabolic syndrome and to examine the benefits of drugs that enhance insulin sensitivity.

Kidney Disease-According to a study of VA health care users during fiscal year 1999, approximately 58,000 patients were being treated for renal failure; the cost per person per year was $22,656; and 17.9 per cent of those patients died within that year. Principal investigator Dr. John Raymond and his team at the Charleston, S.C., VAMC will attempt to identify urinary proteins that predict the development of kidney disease and will look for treatment approaches to acute and chronic kidney disease. The group will also seek to understand how various risk factors affect kidney function and study drugs that might slow the progress of kidney disease.

Multiple Sclerosis (MS)-Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a chronic demyelinating disease that affects approximately 400,000 Americans. More than 25,000 veterans received care for MS between 2000 and 2003 in the VA system. Arthur Vandenbark, PhD, from the Portland VAMC will direct a REAP aimed at studying whether adult stem cells that have been modified to produce growth factors can protect nerve fibers. Disease progression will be monitored by a new MRI technique. The researchers will also study ways in which alpha-lipoic acid, an antioxidant highly effective in treating animal models of MS, can prevent or lessen damage to nerve fibers; examine testosterone therapy as a treatment for MS; and investigate the role that specific immune cells may play in the protection and repair of nerve fibers.

Depression-Depression affects almost 10 per cent of VA patients, including those with bipolar disorder. Dr. Joel Gelernter will lead REAP investigators at the VAMC in West Haven, Conn., to study this problem. The team will use state-of-the-art imaging tools to identify differences in brain structures between patients with depression and healthy controls and between twins with and without depression. The research may also identify changes in genes that occur with depression. The investigators will also seek to learn more about how antidepressants work.

REAPs represent an opportunity to develop synergy between basic and clinical investigators working to expand the understanding of an important health problem among veterans and to ultimately improve diagnosis and treatment. We hope this close collaboration will produce more rapid scientific progress and speed discoveries that will improve outcomes for veteran patients.

More information about REAP awards may be found at the VA's Office of Research and Development Web site: www.va.gov/resdev.

Timothy O'Leary, MD, PhD, was named director of VA's Biomedical Laboratory Research and Development Service (BLR&D) in March 2004.

And so the pharmaceutical and bio research companies make their profits out of the war as well. Including those who make psycho-tropic drugs, as well as other drugs for psychiatric uses.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 03:09:36 PM »

Cocaine is one of the most pointless drugs.  Yes, tried it and having my heart race at 120 bpm really isn't all that pleasurable.  One more thing, I look at drugs ritually.  Like what can it do for me?  Make me think clearer, deeper, make me more motivated, creative, etc, etc, etc......

Cocaine doesn't do any of that shit...well at least for me.

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I agree chris. There is just one other thing that I wanted to mention or ask. Were they given any experimental drugs or medication which they wish to develop? If not, then why else would they possibly inject the already cocaine addicts with more cocaine. Perhaps, there is a limit to how much the body can absorb before it spits out the accessory. But even then, how would that help in getting the drug they intend to develop.
al101. One thing the Gov has taught me through the past decades, they are spin artist, or cover story freaks, which ever suits the bill.

The Gov has been using its citizens for various types of experimenting for many decades.  An example would be the nuclear testing, lining up soldiers in rain gear and goggles for protection as they detonated the a bomb, knowing they would suffer the effects, guini pigs. Subjects to study. NUMBERS.

My friend, they lie, they decieve, and spin tales for the public. My take on this , if a combination of drugs were to be used, including cocaine, it may be possible that this end result could serve its purpose for the military. Cocaine is a stimulant, keep the expendables awake and on edge, other substances could assist in the art of indocrination, mind control. Just my oppinion, but I do not beleive that our gov is seeking to combat addiction.
I admit to being a cynic, but as you said, if a human has used cocaine, injecting more of the same could be life threatning, O.D.  What exactly is in these injections, will we realy ever know? These men are but guini pigs for the combine.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2009, 05:59:49 PM »

Cocaine is one of the most pointless drugs.  Yes, tried it and having my heart race at 120 bpm really isn't all that pleasurable.  One more thing, I look at drugs ritually.  Like what can it do for me?  Make me think clearer, deeper, make me more motivated, creative, etc, etc, etc......

Cocaine doesn't do any of that shit...well at least for me.

This is not a thread about the pleasures of cocaine.  It is about the US Government injecting veteran sodiors with powerful narcotics to do insane research projects.

It could have been heroine, PCP, LSD (which they have done), anything.
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al101. One thing the Gov has taught me through the past decades, they are spin artist, or cover story freaks, which ever suits the bill.

The Gov has been using its citizens for various types of experimenting for many decades.  An example would be the nuclear testing, lining up soldiers in rain gear and goggles for protection as they detonated the a bomb, knowing they would suffer the effects, guini pigs. Subjects to study. NUMBERS.

My friend, they lie, they decieve, and spin tales for the public. My take on this , if a combination of drugs were to be used, including cocaine, it may be possible that this end result could serve its purpose for the military. Cocaine is a stimulant, keep the expendables awake and on edge, other substances could assist in the art of indocrination, mind control. Just my oppinion, but I do not beleive that our gov is seeking to combat addiction.
I admit to being a cynic, but as you said, if a human has used cocaine, injecting more of the same could be life threatning, O.D.  What exactly is in these injections, will we realy ever know? These men are but guini pigs for the combine.

100% Agreed. But one thing I'm puzzled of though. How exactly do (or would?) they use cocaine in mind control objectives? One thing that has been mentioned by Alex Jones is the use of Israelis using a gas with a cocktail of cocaine and LSD on Arab soldiers in I believe 70's (?) conflict. Also similar drugs have been suspected to have been used on the assailants in the Mumbai attacks. They also have used this experimental mixture on American soldiers to wipe out the element of "conscience" or "guilt" as it makes the individual impulsive and full of rage. But the downside has been the soldiers killing their own family members and one of them who tried to fight it ran off to a remote place when he had a conflict with his wife, dropped down convulsing and salivating heavily. And I believe he died thereafter.

Also cocaine makes the individual impulsive, short tempered and obscenely belligerent, such as that individual played by Al Cappuccino in "Scarface". I BELIEVE it also emboldens the individual in some way.

I suppose this where they experiment with cocaine on this aspect.   
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chris jones
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2009, 07:51:53 AM »

Hi a1052

The vets administration is basically a military hospital.

They have told the public they are searching for a deterrant to cocaine use.

a.. Do you sincerly beleive this is all they are doing?

There are side effects to many a drug, the white snake is has many heads.
As does the hydra, anger, violence and uncotrolable rage, the superman complex, the sexual hunger, etc. Combined with other drugs, they just may be able to use effectively aspects of this drug to incite, specific tendecies that would be uefull in wartime. Keep the troopers going, keep them raging, keep the addicted within range of the shadow world where killing is a delight an abosulte necessity, no remorse involved, a high, a game to be played. Emphasis on the master over the peon, the power of life and death.

The senerios are endless, cocaine can attribute to the effect of other drugs, not being a chemist or shrink, its possible they may have found or are seeking a effective use for this drug within our military.

I do not underestimate the pharmecutical use of drugs the Gov has inserted not only into the military but into society itself.

Yes the bombs and bullets kill, however the pharmecuticals they have develeoped can and will controll the will of a human being. Eitether to dumb down the indivual, mind control, or posibly to incite and to expand upon the animal insticts of man capacity to murder.

Bro, i just don't tust the PRRRiks, we are humans , not guini pigs to used as fodder for their mind games and control methody.


The angelic wings or our dear Gov are dipped in blood.
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